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Prove that if $displaystylebinom{n}{k}$ = $displaystylebinom{n}{k+1}$, then $n$ must be odd.
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Prove that if $displaystylebinom{n}{k}$ = $displaystylebinom{n}{k+1}$, then $n$ must be odd.
I am having problems with manipulating factorials and just can't seem to get the grasp on how to approach these types of problems.
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Dec 2 at 5:48
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Dec 2 at 5:48
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$${n choose k} = {n choose k+1}$$
$$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-(k+1))!}$$
$$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!}$$
$$k!(n-k)! = (k+1)!(n-k-1)!$$
Here, you have some important simplifications. Note that
$$(k+1)! = (k+1)k!$$
and
$$(n-k)! = (n-k)(n-k-1)!$$
so you get
$$k!(n-k)(n-k-1)! = (k+1)k!(n-k-1)!$$
$$n-k = k+1 implies n = 2k+1$$
By definition, $2k+1$ is odd for all $k in mathbb{Z}$.
Thank you, this really helped!
– Soulo
Dec 2 at 3:43
Glad to have helped! As a tip, always recall that for $a neq b$, ${n choose a} = {n choose b} iff a+b = n$. (The method of proving that is the same as the one here.) You can notice many patterns because of this, such as ${n choose k} = {n choose k+1} implies n = 2k+1$.
– KM101
Dec 2 at 11:20
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What I give below is not exactly a proof. But I hope it would give an understanding of what happens.
Note that ${nchoose k} ={nchoose n-k}$. For a fixed $n$, if we are interested in distinct values we should limit values of $k$ upto $n/2$.
Under this limit the binomial coefficient values steadily increase and reaching a maximum at $k= n/2$, if $n$ is even, and $k=(n-1)/2$ for odd $n$. And for $k>n/2$ the binomial coefficients repeat in the reverse order.
The condition ${nchoose k}={nchoose k+1}$ is possible only because $k+1$ crossed the halfway limit for distinctness. So $k+1= n-k$. This shows $n=2k+1$, hence it is odd.
Good method (+1). However, it is not necessary to discuss the halfway point. We can use the symmetry rule of binomial coefficients ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}$ and state ${nchoose n-k}={nchoose k+1}Rightarrow n-k=k+1 Rightarrow n=2k+1$, which is odd.
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 4:43
@farruhota The symmetry rule is only enough if you also know that no other pairs of binomial coefficients with the same top index are equal, which requires some discussion of when the values increase and when they decrease.
– Misha Lavrov
Dec 2 at 5:47
@MishaLavrov, do you mean ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}={nchoose m}$ could happen where $mne k$ and $m ne n-k$?
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 5:53
@farruhota Yes, or rather I mean that we need to rule out the possibility of it happening.
– Misha Lavrov
Dec 2 at 5:54
@MichaLavrov, I don't think the above could happen, because ${nchoose k}equiv {nchoose n-k}$. It happens if and only if $m=k$ or $m=n-k$. Again, no increase/decrease is required, but only the use of the combination formula.
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 6:14
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Remember that $displaystylebinom{n}{k}=frac{n!}{k! (n-k)!}$.
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${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} implies$
$frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac {n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!} implies$
$frac {n!}{k!(n-k-1)!(n-k-1)} = frac {n!}{k!(k+1)(n-k-1)!}implies$
$n-k -1 = k implies$
$n = 2k +1$
A stronger result. Not just any odd; specifically $2k+1$.
....
Also notice: For all $0le k le n$ it is always true that:
${n choose k} = frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} =frac {n!}{(n-(n-k))!(n-k)!} = {nchoose n-k}$.
That's always true.
In the same way way as above we can prove that:
For any $a ne b$ that ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff b = n-a iff a=n-b$.
Pf: Wolog, assume $a < b$. (If $b < a$ we do the same thing but with the terms reversed).
${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff$
$frac {n!}{a!(n-a)!} = frac{n!}{b!(n-b)!} iff$
$a!(n-a)! = b!(n-b)! iff$
$a!(n-b)!(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = a!(a+1)(a+2)..b(n-b)! iff$
$(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..b$.
If $n-b < a$ then $n-b + i < a + i$ for all $i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) < (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.
If $n-b > a$ then $n-b + i > a+i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) > (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.
So $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..biff n-b =a iff a=n-b$.
....
So now we have a much stronger result with which we can show:
${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} iff n-k = k+1 iff n = 2k+1$.
You mean $le$. I'm hoping I stated that enough times to make it clear.
– fleablood
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Let $k$ be a nonnegative integer. By definition,
$$binom xk=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)}{k!}tag1$$
(note that $x$ does not have to be an integer) and so
$$binom x{k+1}=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)(x-k)}{(k+1)!}=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}.tag2$$
The equation
$$binom xk=binom x{k+1}tag3$$
is a polynomial equation of degree $k+1$, so it has $k+1$ solutions. In view of $(2)$, we can rewrite $(3)$ as
$$binom xk=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}tag4$$
which holds when $binom xk=0$ or $frac{x-k}{k+1}=1$, that is, the solutions are
$$x=0, 1, dots, k-1, 2k+1.tag5$$
That is, if $binom xk=binom x{k+1}$, and if $xne0,1,dots,k-1$, then $x=2k+1$, an odd integer.
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5 Answers
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$${n choose k} = {n choose k+1}$$
$$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-(k+1))!}$$
$$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!}$$
$$k!(n-k)! = (k+1)!(n-k-1)!$$
Here, you have some important simplifications. Note that
$$(k+1)! = (k+1)k!$$
and
$$(n-k)! = (n-k)(n-k-1)!$$
so you get
$$k!(n-k)(n-k-1)! = (k+1)k!(n-k-1)!$$
$$n-k = k+1 implies n = 2k+1$$
By definition, $2k+1$ is odd for all $k in mathbb{Z}$.
Thank you, this really helped!
– Soulo
Dec 2 at 3:43
Glad to have helped! As a tip, always recall that for $a neq b$, ${n choose a} = {n choose b} iff a+b = n$. (The method of proving that is the same as the one here.) You can notice many patterns because of this, such as ${n choose k} = {n choose k+1} implies n = 2k+1$.
– KM101
Dec 2 at 11:20
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$${n choose k} = {n choose k+1}$$
$$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-(k+1))!}$$
$$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!}$$
$$k!(n-k)! = (k+1)!(n-k-1)!$$
Here, you have some important simplifications. Note that
$$(k+1)! = (k+1)k!$$
and
$$(n-k)! = (n-k)(n-k-1)!$$
so you get
$$k!(n-k)(n-k-1)! = (k+1)k!(n-k-1)!$$
$$n-k = k+1 implies n = 2k+1$$
By definition, $2k+1$ is odd for all $k in mathbb{Z}$.
Thank you, this really helped!
– Soulo
Dec 2 at 3:43
Glad to have helped! As a tip, always recall that for $a neq b$, ${n choose a} = {n choose b} iff a+b = n$. (The method of proving that is the same as the one here.) You can notice many patterns because of this, such as ${n choose k} = {n choose k+1} implies n = 2k+1$.
– KM101
Dec 2 at 11:20
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$${n choose k} = {n choose k+1}$$
$$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-(k+1))!}$$
$$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!}$$
$$k!(n-k)! = (k+1)!(n-k-1)!$$
Here, you have some important simplifications. Note that
$$(k+1)! = (k+1)k!$$
and
$$(n-k)! = (n-k)(n-k-1)!$$
so you get
$$k!(n-k)(n-k-1)! = (k+1)k!(n-k-1)!$$
$$n-k = k+1 implies n = 2k+1$$
By definition, $2k+1$ is odd for all $k in mathbb{Z}$.
$${n choose k} = {n choose k+1}$$
$$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-(k+1))!}$$
$$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!}$$
$$k!(n-k)! = (k+1)!(n-k-1)!$$
Here, you have some important simplifications. Note that
$$(k+1)! = (k+1)k!$$
and
$$(n-k)! = (n-k)(n-k-1)!$$
so you get
$$k!(n-k)(n-k-1)! = (k+1)k!(n-k-1)!$$
$$n-k = k+1 implies n = 2k+1$$
By definition, $2k+1$ is odd for all $k in mathbb{Z}$.
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Thank you, this really helped!
– Soulo
Dec 2 at 3:43
Glad to have helped! As a tip, always recall that for $a neq b$, ${n choose a} = {n choose b} iff a+b = n$. (The method of proving that is the same as the one here.) You can notice many patterns because of this, such as ${n choose k} = {n choose k+1} implies n = 2k+1$.
– KM101
Dec 2 at 11:20
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Thank you, this really helped!
– Soulo
Dec 2 at 3:43
Glad to have helped! As a tip, always recall that for $a neq b$, ${n choose a} = {n choose b} iff a+b = n$. (The method of proving that is the same as the one here.) You can notice many patterns because of this, such as ${n choose k} = {n choose k+1} implies n = 2k+1$.
– KM101
Dec 2 at 11:20
Thank you, this really helped!
– Soulo
Dec 2 at 3:43
Thank you, this really helped!
– Soulo
Dec 2 at 3:43
Glad to have helped! As a tip, always recall that for $a neq b$, ${n choose a} = {n choose b} iff a+b = n$. (The method of proving that is the same as the one here.) You can notice many patterns because of this, such as ${n choose k} = {n choose k+1} implies n = 2k+1$.
– KM101
Dec 2 at 11:20
Glad to have helped! As a tip, always recall that for $a neq b$, ${n choose a} = {n choose b} iff a+b = n$. (The method of proving that is the same as the one here.) You can notice many patterns because of this, such as ${n choose k} = {n choose k+1} implies n = 2k+1$.
– KM101
Dec 2 at 11:20
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What I give below is not exactly a proof. But I hope it would give an understanding of what happens.
Note that ${nchoose k} ={nchoose n-k}$. For a fixed $n$, if we are interested in distinct values we should limit values of $k$ upto $n/2$.
Under this limit the binomial coefficient values steadily increase and reaching a maximum at $k= n/2$, if $n$ is even, and $k=(n-1)/2$ for odd $n$. And for $k>n/2$ the binomial coefficients repeat in the reverse order.
The condition ${nchoose k}={nchoose k+1}$ is possible only because $k+1$ crossed the halfway limit for distinctness. So $k+1= n-k$. This shows $n=2k+1$, hence it is odd.
Good method (+1). However, it is not necessary to discuss the halfway point. We can use the symmetry rule of binomial coefficients ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}$ and state ${nchoose n-k}={nchoose k+1}Rightarrow n-k=k+1 Rightarrow n=2k+1$, which is odd.
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 4:43
@farruhota The symmetry rule is only enough if you also know that no other pairs of binomial coefficients with the same top index are equal, which requires some discussion of when the values increase and when they decrease.
– Misha Lavrov
Dec 2 at 5:47
@MishaLavrov, do you mean ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}={nchoose m}$ could happen where $mne k$ and $m ne n-k$?
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 5:53
@farruhota Yes, or rather I mean that we need to rule out the possibility of it happening.
– Misha Lavrov
Dec 2 at 5:54
@MichaLavrov, I don't think the above could happen, because ${nchoose k}equiv {nchoose n-k}$. It happens if and only if $m=k$ or $m=n-k$. Again, no increase/decrease is required, but only the use of the combination formula.
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 6:14
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What I give below is not exactly a proof. But I hope it would give an understanding of what happens.
Note that ${nchoose k} ={nchoose n-k}$. For a fixed $n$, if we are interested in distinct values we should limit values of $k$ upto $n/2$.
Under this limit the binomial coefficient values steadily increase and reaching a maximum at $k= n/2$, if $n$ is even, and $k=(n-1)/2$ for odd $n$. And for $k>n/2$ the binomial coefficients repeat in the reverse order.
The condition ${nchoose k}={nchoose k+1}$ is possible only because $k+1$ crossed the halfway limit for distinctness. So $k+1= n-k$. This shows $n=2k+1$, hence it is odd.
Good method (+1). However, it is not necessary to discuss the halfway point. We can use the symmetry rule of binomial coefficients ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}$ and state ${nchoose n-k}={nchoose k+1}Rightarrow n-k=k+1 Rightarrow n=2k+1$, which is odd.
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 4:43
@farruhota The symmetry rule is only enough if you also know that no other pairs of binomial coefficients with the same top index are equal, which requires some discussion of when the values increase and when they decrease.
– Misha Lavrov
Dec 2 at 5:47
@MishaLavrov, do you mean ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}={nchoose m}$ could happen where $mne k$ and $m ne n-k$?
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 5:53
@farruhota Yes, or rather I mean that we need to rule out the possibility of it happening.
– Misha Lavrov
Dec 2 at 5:54
@MichaLavrov, I don't think the above could happen, because ${nchoose k}equiv {nchoose n-k}$. It happens if and only if $m=k$ or $m=n-k$. Again, no increase/decrease is required, but only the use of the combination formula.
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 6:14
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What I give below is not exactly a proof. But I hope it would give an understanding of what happens.
Note that ${nchoose k} ={nchoose n-k}$. For a fixed $n$, if we are interested in distinct values we should limit values of $k$ upto $n/2$.
Under this limit the binomial coefficient values steadily increase and reaching a maximum at $k= n/2$, if $n$ is even, and $k=(n-1)/2$ for odd $n$. And for $k>n/2$ the binomial coefficients repeat in the reverse order.
The condition ${nchoose k}={nchoose k+1}$ is possible only because $k+1$ crossed the halfway limit for distinctness. So $k+1= n-k$. This shows $n=2k+1$, hence it is odd.
What I give below is not exactly a proof. But I hope it would give an understanding of what happens.
Note that ${nchoose k} ={nchoose n-k}$. For a fixed $n$, if we are interested in distinct values we should limit values of $k$ upto $n/2$.
Under this limit the binomial coefficient values steadily increase and reaching a maximum at $k= n/2$, if $n$ is even, and $k=(n-1)/2$ for odd $n$. And for $k>n/2$ the binomial coefficients repeat in the reverse order.
The condition ${nchoose k}={nchoose k+1}$ is possible only because $k+1$ crossed the halfway limit for distinctness. So $k+1= n-k$. This shows $n=2k+1$, hence it is odd.
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Good method (+1). However, it is not necessary to discuss the halfway point. We can use the symmetry rule of binomial coefficients ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}$ and state ${nchoose n-k}={nchoose k+1}Rightarrow n-k=k+1 Rightarrow n=2k+1$, which is odd.
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 4:43
@farruhota The symmetry rule is only enough if you also know that no other pairs of binomial coefficients with the same top index are equal, which requires some discussion of when the values increase and when they decrease.
– Misha Lavrov
Dec 2 at 5:47
@MishaLavrov, do you mean ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}={nchoose m}$ could happen where $mne k$ and $m ne n-k$?
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 5:53
@farruhota Yes, or rather I mean that we need to rule out the possibility of it happening.
– Misha Lavrov
Dec 2 at 5:54
@MichaLavrov, I don't think the above could happen, because ${nchoose k}equiv {nchoose n-k}$. It happens if and only if $m=k$ or $m=n-k$. Again, no increase/decrease is required, but only the use of the combination formula.
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 6:14
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Good method (+1). However, it is not necessary to discuss the halfway point. We can use the symmetry rule of binomial coefficients ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}$ and state ${nchoose n-k}={nchoose k+1}Rightarrow n-k=k+1 Rightarrow n=2k+1$, which is odd.
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 4:43
@farruhota The symmetry rule is only enough if you also know that no other pairs of binomial coefficients with the same top index are equal, which requires some discussion of when the values increase and when they decrease.
– Misha Lavrov
Dec 2 at 5:47
@MishaLavrov, do you mean ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}={nchoose m}$ could happen where $mne k$ and $m ne n-k$?
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 5:53
@farruhota Yes, or rather I mean that we need to rule out the possibility of it happening.
– Misha Lavrov
Dec 2 at 5:54
@MichaLavrov, I don't think the above could happen, because ${nchoose k}equiv {nchoose n-k}$. It happens if and only if $m=k$ or $m=n-k$. Again, no increase/decrease is required, but only the use of the combination formula.
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 6:14
Good method (+1). However, it is not necessary to discuss the halfway point. We can use the symmetry rule of binomial coefficients ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}$ and state ${nchoose n-k}={nchoose k+1}Rightarrow n-k=k+1 Rightarrow n=2k+1$, which is odd.
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 4:43
Good method (+1). However, it is not necessary to discuss the halfway point. We can use the symmetry rule of binomial coefficients ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}$ and state ${nchoose n-k}={nchoose k+1}Rightarrow n-k=k+1 Rightarrow n=2k+1$, which is odd.
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 4:43
@farruhota The symmetry rule is only enough if you also know that no other pairs of binomial coefficients with the same top index are equal, which requires some discussion of when the values increase and when they decrease.
– Misha Lavrov
Dec 2 at 5:47
@farruhota The symmetry rule is only enough if you also know that no other pairs of binomial coefficients with the same top index are equal, which requires some discussion of when the values increase and when they decrease.
– Misha Lavrov
Dec 2 at 5:47
@MishaLavrov, do you mean ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}={nchoose m}$ could happen where $mne k$ and $m ne n-k$?
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 5:53
@MishaLavrov, do you mean ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}={nchoose m}$ could happen where $mne k$ and $m ne n-k$?
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 5:53
@farruhota Yes, or rather I mean that we need to rule out the possibility of it happening.
– Misha Lavrov
Dec 2 at 5:54
@farruhota Yes, or rather I mean that we need to rule out the possibility of it happening.
– Misha Lavrov
Dec 2 at 5:54
@MichaLavrov, I don't think the above could happen, because ${nchoose k}equiv {nchoose n-k}$. It happens if and only if $m=k$ or $m=n-k$. Again, no increase/decrease is required, but only the use of the combination formula.
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 6:14
@MichaLavrov, I don't think the above could happen, because ${nchoose k}equiv {nchoose n-k}$. It happens if and only if $m=k$ or $m=n-k$. Again, no increase/decrease is required, but only the use of the combination formula.
– farruhota
Dec 2 at 6:14
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Remember that $displaystylebinom{n}{k}=frac{n!}{k! (n-k)!}$.
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Remember that $displaystylebinom{n}{k}=frac{n!}{k! (n-k)!}$.
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Remember that $displaystylebinom{n}{k}=frac{n!}{k! (n-k)!}$.
Remember that $displaystylebinom{n}{k}=frac{n!}{k! (n-k)!}$.
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${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} implies$
$frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac {n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!} implies$
$frac {n!}{k!(n-k-1)!(n-k-1)} = frac {n!}{k!(k+1)(n-k-1)!}implies$
$n-k -1 = k implies$
$n = 2k +1$
A stronger result. Not just any odd; specifically $2k+1$.
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Also notice: For all $0le k le n$ it is always true that:
${n choose k} = frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} =frac {n!}{(n-(n-k))!(n-k)!} = {nchoose n-k}$.
That's always true.
In the same way way as above we can prove that:
For any $a ne b$ that ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff b = n-a iff a=n-b$.
Pf: Wolog, assume $a < b$. (If $b < a$ we do the same thing but with the terms reversed).
${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff$
$frac {n!}{a!(n-a)!} = frac{n!}{b!(n-b)!} iff$
$a!(n-a)! = b!(n-b)! iff$
$a!(n-b)!(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = a!(a+1)(a+2)..b(n-b)! iff$
$(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..b$.
If $n-b < a$ then $n-b + i < a + i$ for all $i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) < (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.
If $n-b > a$ then $n-b + i > a+i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) > (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.
So $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..biff n-b =a iff a=n-b$.
....
So now we have a much stronger result with which we can show:
${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} iff n-k = k+1 iff n = 2k+1$.
You mean $le$. I'm hoping I stated that enough times to make it clear.
– fleablood
Dec 2 at 17:23
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${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} implies$
$frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac {n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!} implies$
$frac {n!}{k!(n-k-1)!(n-k-1)} = frac {n!}{k!(k+1)(n-k-1)!}implies$
$n-k -1 = k implies$
$n = 2k +1$
A stronger result. Not just any odd; specifically $2k+1$.
....
Also notice: For all $0le k le n$ it is always true that:
${n choose k} = frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} =frac {n!}{(n-(n-k))!(n-k)!} = {nchoose n-k}$.
That's always true.
In the same way way as above we can prove that:
For any $a ne b$ that ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff b = n-a iff a=n-b$.
Pf: Wolog, assume $a < b$. (If $b < a$ we do the same thing but with the terms reversed).
${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff$
$frac {n!}{a!(n-a)!} = frac{n!}{b!(n-b)!} iff$
$a!(n-a)! = b!(n-b)! iff$
$a!(n-b)!(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = a!(a+1)(a+2)..b(n-b)! iff$
$(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..b$.
If $n-b < a$ then $n-b + i < a + i$ for all $i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) < (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.
If $n-b > a$ then $n-b + i > a+i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) > (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.
So $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..biff n-b =a iff a=n-b$.
....
So now we have a much stronger result with which we can show:
${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} iff n-k = k+1 iff n = 2k+1$.
You mean $le$. I'm hoping I stated that enough times to make it clear.
– fleablood
Dec 2 at 17:23
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${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} implies$
$frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac {n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!} implies$
$frac {n!}{k!(n-k-1)!(n-k-1)} = frac {n!}{k!(k+1)(n-k-1)!}implies$
$n-k -1 = k implies$
$n = 2k +1$
A stronger result. Not just any odd; specifically $2k+1$.
....
Also notice: For all $0le k le n$ it is always true that:
${n choose k} = frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} =frac {n!}{(n-(n-k))!(n-k)!} = {nchoose n-k}$.
That's always true.
In the same way way as above we can prove that:
For any $a ne b$ that ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff b = n-a iff a=n-b$.
Pf: Wolog, assume $a < b$. (If $b < a$ we do the same thing but with the terms reversed).
${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff$
$frac {n!}{a!(n-a)!} = frac{n!}{b!(n-b)!} iff$
$a!(n-a)! = b!(n-b)! iff$
$a!(n-b)!(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = a!(a+1)(a+2)..b(n-b)! iff$
$(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..b$.
If $n-b < a$ then $n-b + i < a + i$ for all $i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) < (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.
If $n-b > a$ then $n-b + i > a+i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) > (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.
So $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..biff n-b =a iff a=n-b$.
....
So now we have a much stronger result with which we can show:
${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} iff n-k = k+1 iff n = 2k+1$.
${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} implies$
$frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac {n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!} implies$
$frac {n!}{k!(n-k-1)!(n-k-1)} = frac {n!}{k!(k+1)(n-k-1)!}implies$
$n-k -1 = k implies$
$n = 2k +1$
A stronger result. Not just any odd; specifically $2k+1$.
....
Also notice: For all $0le k le n$ it is always true that:
${n choose k} = frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} =frac {n!}{(n-(n-k))!(n-k)!} = {nchoose n-k}$.
That's always true.
In the same way way as above we can prove that:
For any $a ne b$ that ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff b = n-a iff a=n-b$.
Pf: Wolog, assume $a < b$. (If $b < a$ we do the same thing but with the terms reversed).
${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff$
$frac {n!}{a!(n-a)!} = frac{n!}{b!(n-b)!} iff$
$a!(n-a)! = b!(n-b)! iff$
$a!(n-b)!(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = a!(a+1)(a+2)..b(n-b)! iff$
$(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..b$.
If $n-b < a$ then $n-b + i < a + i$ for all $i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) < (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.
If $n-b > a$ then $n-b + i > a+i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) > (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.
So $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..biff n-b =a iff a=n-b$.
....
So now we have a much stronger result with which we can show:
${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} iff n-k = k+1 iff n = 2k+1$.
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You mean $le$. I'm hoping I stated that enough times to make it clear.
– fleablood
Dec 2 at 17:23
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You mean $le$. I'm hoping I stated that enough times to make it clear.
– fleablood
Dec 2 at 17:23
You mean $le$. I'm hoping I stated that enough times to make it clear.
– fleablood
Dec 2 at 17:23
You mean $le$. I'm hoping I stated that enough times to make it clear.
– fleablood
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Let $k$ be a nonnegative integer. By definition,
$$binom xk=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)}{k!}tag1$$
(note that $x$ does not have to be an integer) and so
$$binom x{k+1}=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)(x-k)}{(k+1)!}=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}.tag2$$
The equation
$$binom xk=binom x{k+1}tag3$$
is a polynomial equation of degree $k+1$, so it has $k+1$ solutions. In view of $(2)$, we can rewrite $(3)$ as
$$binom xk=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}tag4$$
which holds when $binom xk=0$ or $frac{x-k}{k+1}=1$, that is, the solutions are
$$x=0, 1, dots, k-1, 2k+1.tag5$$
That is, if $binom xk=binom x{k+1}$, and if $xne0,1,dots,k-1$, then $x=2k+1$, an odd integer.
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Let $k$ be a nonnegative integer. By definition,
$$binom xk=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)}{k!}tag1$$
(note that $x$ does not have to be an integer) and so
$$binom x{k+1}=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)(x-k)}{(k+1)!}=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}.tag2$$
The equation
$$binom xk=binom x{k+1}tag3$$
is a polynomial equation of degree $k+1$, so it has $k+1$ solutions. In view of $(2)$, we can rewrite $(3)$ as
$$binom xk=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}tag4$$
which holds when $binom xk=0$ or $frac{x-k}{k+1}=1$, that is, the solutions are
$$x=0, 1, dots, k-1, 2k+1.tag5$$
That is, if $binom xk=binom x{k+1}$, and if $xne0,1,dots,k-1$, then $x=2k+1$, an odd integer.
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Let $k$ be a nonnegative integer. By definition,
$$binom xk=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)}{k!}tag1$$
(note that $x$ does not have to be an integer) and so
$$binom x{k+1}=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)(x-k)}{(k+1)!}=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}.tag2$$
The equation
$$binom xk=binom x{k+1}tag3$$
is a polynomial equation of degree $k+1$, so it has $k+1$ solutions. In view of $(2)$, we can rewrite $(3)$ as
$$binom xk=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}tag4$$
which holds when $binom xk=0$ or $frac{x-k}{k+1}=1$, that is, the solutions are
$$x=0, 1, dots, k-1, 2k+1.tag5$$
That is, if $binom xk=binom x{k+1}$, and if $xne0,1,dots,k-1$, then $x=2k+1$, an odd integer.
Let $k$ be a nonnegative integer. By definition,
$$binom xk=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)}{k!}tag1$$
(note that $x$ does not have to be an integer) and so
$$binom x{k+1}=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)(x-k)}{(k+1)!}=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}.tag2$$
The equation
$$binom xk=binom x{k+1}tag3$$
is a polynomial equation of degree $k+1$, so it has $k+1$ solutions. In view of $(2)$, we can rewrite $(3)$ as
$$binom xk=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}tag4$$
which holds when $binom xk=0$ or $frac{x-k}{k+1}=1$, that is, the solutions are
$$x=0, 1, dots, k-1, 2k+1.tag5$$
That is, if $binom xk=binom x{k+1}$, and if $xne0,1,dots,k-1$, then $x=2k+1$, an odd integer.
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Here is a pot with stronger results: Prove that if $0 le k le frac {n-1}{2}$, then ${n choose k} le {n choose k+1}$, with equality holding if and only if $k = frac{n - 1}{2}$.
– Martin Sleziak
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