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Find the coefficient of $x^2$ in the expansion of $$underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}}$$I tried to equate it to a polynomial of the form $$underbrace{P_k x^3}_{text{Terms of power}geq3} + underbrace{B_kx^2}_{text{Terms of power=2}} + underbrace{A_k x} _{text{Terms of power=1}} +C$$So we can write$$underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}} = P_k x^3 + B_kx^2 + A_k x +C$$ We can find $C$ easily if we simply set $x=0$ in the original equation and we get, $$underbrace{left(left(left(left(0-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}} = underbrace{left(ldots left(left(4-2right)^2 -2right)^2-cdots-cdots 2right)^2}_{k-1 ;text{times}}$$ Simplifying till the end we get, $$C=4$$ So we get, $$underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -ldots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}} = P_k x^3 + B_kx^2 + A_k x +4$$ Not sure where to go from here.
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I think I have found a solution to develop the recursion, please tell me if it is right.
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}}$$ Now, we can also write it as
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left[underbrace{left(ldots left(left(x-2right)^2-2right)^2 ldots -2right)^2}_{k-1;text{times}} -2right]^2$$
Which is
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left[left(P_{k-1}x^3 + B_{k-1}x^2 + A_{k-1} x+ 4right)-2right]^2$$
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left(P_{k-1}x^3 + B_{k-1}x^2 + A_{k-1} x+ 2right)^2$$
So, we get, $$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left(P^2_{k-1}x^6+ 2P_{k-1}B{k-1}x^5 + left(2P_{k-1}A_{k-1}B^2_{k-1}right)x^4 + left(4P_{k-1} + 2B{k-1}A{k-1}right)x^3 + + left(4B_{k-1} + A^2_{k-1}right)x^2 + 4A_{k-1}x + 4right)$$
Thus, we get, $$A_k = 4A_{k-1}$$ And, $$B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4B_{k-1}$$ Since $left(x-2right)^2 = x^2 - 4x + 4$ we have $A_1 = -4$ and similarly $A_2 = -4cdot4=-4^2$ and in general $$A_k=-4^k$$ Now, we can use the relation we have for $B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4B_{k-1}$ Writing this as $$B_k = A^2 _{k-1} + 4B_{k-1} = Ak^2 _{k-1} + 4left(A^2_{k-2} + 4B_{k-2}right)$$ $$B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4A^2_{k-2} + 4^2left(A_{k-3}^2 + 4B_{k-3}right)$$ So, $$B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4A^2_{k-2} + 4^2A^2_{k-3} + ldots 4^{k-2}A_1^2 + 4^{k-1}B_1$$ Then we can substitute, $B_1 = 1, A_1 = 4, A_2 = -4^2, A_3 = -4^3, ldots A_{k-1}= -4^{k-1}$ We get, $$B_k = 4^{2k-2} + 4cdot4^{2k-4} + 4^2cdot4^{2k-6} + ldots + 4^{k-2}cdot4^2 + 4^{k-1}cdot 1$$ $$B_k = 4^{2k-2} + 4^{2k-3} + 4^{2k-4} + ldots 4^{k+1} + 4^k + 4^{k-1}$$ $$B_k = 4^{k-1}left(1 + 4+4^2+4^3 + ldots 4^{k-2} + 4^{k-1}right)$$
$$B_k = 4^{k-1} cdot frac{4^k - 1}{4-1} = frac{4^{2k-1} - 4^{k-1}}{3}$$
This is how I have solved it but I am wondering if there is a nicer solution.
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Find the coefficient of $x^2$ in the expansion of $$underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}}$$I tried to equate it to a polynomial of the form $$underbrace{P_k x^3}_{text{Terms of power}geq3} + underbrace{B_kx^2}_{text{Terms of power=2}} + underbrace{A_k x} _{text{Terms of power=1}} +C$$So we can write$$underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}} = P_k x^3 + B_kx^2 + A_k x +C$$ We can find $C$ easily if we simply set $x=0$ in the original equation and we get, $$underbrace{left(left(left(left(0-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}} = underbrace{left(ldots left(left(4-2right)^2 -2right)^2-cdots-cdots 2right)^2}_{k-1 ;text{times}}$$ Simplifying till the end we get, $$C=4$$ So we get, $$underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -ldots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}} = P_k x^3 + B_kx^2 + A_k x +4$$ Not sure where to go from here.
EDIT:
I think I have found a solution to develop the recursion, please tell me if it is right.
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}}$$ Now, we can also write it as
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left[underbrace{left(ldots left(left(x-2right)^2-2right)^2 ldots -2right)^2}_{k-1;text{times}} -2right]^2$$
Which is
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left[left(P_{k-1}x^3 + B_{k-1}x^2 + A_{k-1} x+ 4right)-2right]^2$$
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left(P_{k-1}x^3 + B_{k-1}x^2 + A_{k-1} x+ 2right)^2$$
So, we get, $$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left(P^2_{k-1}x^6+ 2P_{k-1}B{k-1}x^5 + left(2P_{k-1}A_{k-1}B^2_{k-1}right)x^4 + left(4P_{k-1} + 2B{k-1}A{k-1}right)x^3 + + left(4B_{k-1} + A^2_{k-1}right)x^2 + 4A_{k-1}x + 4right)$$
Thus, we get, $$A_k = 4A_{k-1}$$ And, $$B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4B_{k-1}$$ Since $left(x-2right)^2 = x^2 - 4x + 4$ we have $A_1 = -4$ and similarly $A_2 = -4cdot4=-4^2$ and in general $$A_k=-4^k$$ Now, we can use the relation we have for $B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4B_{k-1}$ Writing this as $$B_k = A^2 _{k-1} + 4B_{k-1} = Ak^2 _{k-1} + 4left(A^2_{k-2} + 4B_{k-2}right)$$ $$B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4A^2_{k-2} + 4^2left(A_{k-3}^2 + 4B_{k-3}right)$$ So, $$B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4A^2_{k-2} + 4^2A^2_{k-3} + ldots 4^{k-2}A_1^2 + 4^{k-1}B_1$$ Then we can substitute, $B_1 = 1, A_1 = 4, A_2 = -4^2, A_3 = -4^3, ldots A_{k-1}= -4^{k-1}$ We get, $$B_k = 4^{2k-2} + 4cdot4^{2k-4} + 4^2cdot4^{2k-6} + ldots + 4^{k-2}cdot4^2 + 4^{k-1}cdot 1$$ $$B_k = 4^{2k-2} + 4^{2k-3} + 4^{2k-4} + ldots 4^{k+1} + 4^k + 4^{k-1}$$ $$B_k = 4^{k-1}left(1 + 4+4^2+4^3 + ldots 4^{k-2} + 4^{k-1}right)$$
$$B_k = 4^{k-1} cdot frac{4^k - 1}{4-1} = frac{4^{2k-1} - 4^{k-1}}{3}$$
This is how I have solved it but I am wondering if there is a nicer solution.
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Have you tried checking the results for the initial few values of $k$ to see if there is any pattern? Note I haven't done this myself so I don't know if it'll help or not.
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I tried but for $kgt 2 $ it gets fuzzy
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@d.k.o. I'm sorry I know what OEIS is but I am looking for a method not the solution, I'm more interested in the how.
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@PrakharNagpal d.k.o means that the answer is the numbers from that oeis sequence. By the way, I have examined the first a few terms, and it matches.
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Find the coefficient of $x^2$ in the expansion of $$underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}}$$I tried to equate it to a polynomial of the form $$underbrace{P_k x^3}_{text{Terms of power}geq3} + underbrace{B_kx^2}_{text{Terms of power=2}} + underbrace{A_k x} _{text{Terms of power=1}} +C$$So we can write$$underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}} = P_k x^3 + B_kx^2 + A_k x +C$$ We can find $C$ easily if we simply set $x=0$ in the original equation and we get, $$underbrace{left(left(left(left(0-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}} = underbrace{left(ldots left(left(4-2right)^2 -2right)^2-cdots-cdots 2right)^2}_{k-1 ;text{times}}$$ Simplifying till the end we get, $$C=4$$ So we get, $$underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -ldots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}} = P_k x^3 + B_kx^2 + A_k x +4$$ Not sure where to go from here.
EDIT:
I think I have found a solution to develop the recursion, please tell me if it is right.
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}}$$ Now, we can also write it as
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left[underbrace{left(ldots left(left(x-2right)^2-2right)^2 ldots -2right)^2}_{k-1;text{times}} -2right]^2$$
Which is
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left[left(P_{k-1}x^3 + B_{k-1}x^2 + A_{k-1} x+ 4right)-2right]^2$$
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left(P_{k-1}x^3 + B_{k-1}x^2 + A_{k-1} x+ 2right)^2$$
So, we get, $$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left(P^2_{k-1}x^6+ 2P_{k-1}B{k-1}x^5 + left(2P_{k-1}A_{k-1}B^2_{k-1}right)x^4 + left(4P_{k-1} + 2B{k-1}A{k-1}right)x^3 + + left(4B_{k-1} + A^2_{k-1}right)x^2 + 4A_{k-1}x + 4right)$$
Thus, we get, $$A_k = 4A_{k-1}$$ And, $$B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4B_{k-1}$$ Since $left(x-2right)^2 = x^2 - 4x + 4$ we have $A_1 = -4$ and similarly $A_2 = -4cdot4=-4^2$ and in general $$A_k=-4^k$$ Now, we can use the relation we have for $B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4B_{k-1}$ Writing this as $$B_k = A^2 _{k-1} + 4B_{k-1} = Ak^2 _{k-1} + 4left(A^2_{k-2} + 4B_{k-2}right)$$ $$B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4A^2_{k-2} + 4^2left(A_{k-3}^2 + 4B_{k-3}right)$$ So, $$B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4A^2_{k-2} + 4^2A^2_{k-3} + ldots 4^{k-2}A_1^2 + 4^{k-1}B_1$$ Then we can substitute, $B_1 = 1, A_1 = 4, A_2 = -4^2, A_3 = -4^3, ldots A_{k-1}= -4^{k-1}$ We get, $$B_k = 4^{2k-2} + 4cdot4^{2k-4} + 4^2cdot4^{2k-6} + ldots + 4^{k-2}cdot4^2 + 4^{k-1}cdot 1$$ $$B_k = 4^{2k-2} + 4^{2k-3} + 4^{2k-4} + ldots 4^{k+1} + 4^k + 4^{k-1}$$ $$B_k = 4^{k-1}left(1 + 4+4^2+4^3 + ldots 4^{k-2} + 4^{k-1}right)$$
$$B_k = 4^{k-1} cdot frac{4^k - 1}{4-1} = frac{4^{2k-1} - 4^{k-1}}{3}$$
This is how I have solved it but I am wondering if there is a nicer solution.
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Find the coefficient of $x^2$ in the expansion of $$underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}}$$I tried to equate it to a polynomial of the form $$underbrace{P_k x^3}_{text{Terms of power}geq3} + underbrace{B_kx^2}_{text{Terms of power=2}} + underbrace{A_k x} _{text{Terms of power=1}} +C$$So we can write$$underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}} = P_k x^3 + B_kx^2 + A_k x +C$$ We can find $C$ easily if we simply set $x=0$ in the original equation and we get, $$underbrace{left(left(left(left(0-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}} = underbrace{left(ldots left(left(4-2right)^2 -2right)^2-cdots-cdots 2right)^2}_{k-1 ;text{times}}$$ Simplifying till the end we get, $$C=4$$ So we get, $$underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -ldots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}} = P_k x^3 + B_kx^2 + A_k x +4$$ Not sure where to go from here.
EDIT:
I think I have found a solution to develop the recursion, please tell me if it is right.
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}}$$ Now, we can also write it as
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left[underbrace{left(ldots left(left(x-2right)^2-2right)^2 ldots -2right)^2}_{k-1;text{times}} -2right]^2$$
Which is
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left[left(P_{k-1}x^3 + B_{k-1}x^2 + A_{k-1} x+ 4right)-2right]^2$$
$$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left(P_{k-1}x^3 + B_{k-1}x^2 + A_{k-1} x+ 2right)^2$$
So, we get, $$P_k x^3 +B_kx^2 + A_k x +C=left(P^2_{k-1}x^6+ 2P_{k-1}B{k-1}x^5 + left(2P_{k-1}A_{k-1}B^2_{k-1}right)x^4 + left(4P_{k-1} + 2B{k-1}A{k-1}right)x^3 + + left(4B_{k-1} + A^2_{k-1}right)x^2 + 4A_{k-1}x + 4right)$$
Thus, we get, $$A_k = 4A_{k-1}$$ And, $$B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4B_{k-1}$$ Since $left(x-2right)^2 = x^2 - 4x + 4$ we have $A_1 = -4$ and similarly $A_2 = -4cdot4=-4^2$ and in general $$A_k=-4^k$$ Now, we can use the relation we have for $B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4B_{k-1}$ Writing this as $$B_k = A^2 _{k-1} + 4B_{k-1} = Ak^2 _{k-1} + 4left(A^2_{k-2} + 4B_{k-2}right)$$ $$B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4A^2_{k-2} + 4^2left(A_{k-3}^2 + 4B_{k-3}right)$$ So, $$B_k = A^2_{k-1} + 4A^2_{k-2} + 4^2A^2_{k-3} + ldots 4^{k-2}A_1^2 + 4^{k-1}B_1$$ Then we can substitute, $B_1 = 1, A_1 = 4, A_2 = -4^2, A_3 = -4^3, ldots A_{k-1}= -4^{k-1}$ We get, $$B_k = 4^{2k-2} + 4cdot4^{2k-4} + 4^2cdot4^{2k-6} + ldots + 4^{k-2}cdot4^2 + 4^{k-1}cdot 1$$ $$B_k = 4^{2k-2} + 4^{2k-3} + 4^{2k-4} + ldots 4^{k+1} + 4^k + 4^{k-1}$$ $$B_k = 4^{k-1}left(1 + 4+4^2+4^3 + ldots 4^{k-2} + 4^{k-1}right)$$
$$B_k = 4^{k-1} cdot frac{4^k - 1}{4-1} = frac{4^{2k-1} - 4^{k-1}}{3}$$
This is how I have solved it but I am wondering if there is a nicer solution.
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Have you tried checking the results for the initial few values of $k$ to see if there is any pattern? Note I haven't done this myself so I don't know if it'll help or not.
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– John Omielan
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I tried but for $kgt 2 $ it gets fuzzy
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@d.k.o. I'm sorry I know what OEIS is but I am looking for a method not the solution, I'm more interested in the how.
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 9:56
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@PrakharNagpal d.k.o means that the answer is the numbers from that oeis sequence. By the way, I have examined the first a few terms, and it matches.
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Have you tried checking the results for the initial few values of $k$ to see if there is any pattern? Note I haven't done this myself so I don't know if it'll help or not.
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– John Omielan
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I tried but for $kgt 2 $ it gets fuzzy
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Dec 24 '18 at 9:48
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@d.k.o. I'm sorry I know what OEIS is but I am looking for a method not the solution, I'm more interested in the how.
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 9:56
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@PrakharNagpal d.k.o means that the answer is the numbers from that oeis sequence. By the way, I have examined the first a few terms, and it matches.
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– fantasie
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Have you tried checking the results for the initial few values of $k$ to see if there is any pattern? Note I haven't done this myself so I don't know if it'll help or not.
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– John Omielan
Dec 24 '18 at 9:46
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Have you tried checking the results for the initial few values of $k$ to see if there is any pattern? Note I haven't done this myself so I don't know if it'll help or not.
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– John Omielan
Dec 24 '18 at 9:46
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I tried but for $kgt 2 $ it gets fuzzy
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 9:48
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I tried but for $kgt 2 $ it gets fuzzy
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– d.k.o.
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@d.k.o. I'm sorry I know what OEIS is but I am looking for a method not the solution, I'm more interested in the how.
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– Prakhar Nagpal
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@d.k.o. I'm sorry I know what OEIS is but I am looking for a method not the solution, I'm more interested in the how.
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 9:56
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@PrakharNagpal d.k.o means that the answer is the numbers from that oeis sequence. By the way, I have examined the first a few terms, and it matches.
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– fantasie
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@PrakharNagpal d.k.o means that the answer is the numbers from that oeis sequence. By the way, I have examined the first a few terms, and it matches.
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If we note $f_k(x)=underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}}=x^3Q_k(x)+R_k(x)$ with $deg R_kle 2$
Then we are only interested in the following induction:
$$R_{k+1}(x)=(R_k(x)-2)^2pmod{x^3}$$
When squaring and taking the remainder of the division by $x^3$ you get $$(ax^2+bx+c-2)^2pmod{x^3}=(b^2+2ac-4a)x^2+(2bc-4b)x+(c^2-4c+4)$$
Note that $c_0=0$ and $c_1=0-0+4=4$ and $c_2=16-16+4=4$, so except for its first term, the sequence $(c_n)_n$ is constant and $forall i>0, c_i=4$.
Applying this simplification we get: $$(b^2+4a)x^2+4bx+4$$
The induction s then $P_0(x)=x$ : $begin{cases}a_0=0\b_0=1\c_0=0end{cases}quad$ and $quad P_n(x)$ : $begin{cases}a_n=b_{n-1}^2+4a_{n-1}\b_n=4b_{n-1}\c_n=4end{cases}$
The coefficient $b_n$ resolves easily to $b_n=4^n$
- Method 1 :
For $a_n$ you can go directly to $a_n-4a_{n-1}=frac 1{16}16^n$ which solves to $a_n=hom_n+part_n$
The homogeneous general solution is $hom_n=alpha 4^n$
And a particular solution with RHS has to be found under the form $part_n=beta 16^n$ since $4neq 16$.
- Method 2 :
We are linearising the equation for $a_n$.
$a_n=b_{n-1}^2+4a_{n-1}=16b_{n-2}^2+4a_{n-1}=16(a_{n-1}-4a_{n-2})+4a_{n-1}=20a_{n-1}-64a_{n-2}$
You get the linear equation with constant coefficients :
$$a_n-20a_{n-1}+64a_{n-2}=0$$
Whose characteristic equation $r^2-20r+64=0$ gives roots $r=4$ and $r=16$.
So both methods give in the end $$a_n=alpha 4^n + beta 16^n$$
Solving for $a_0=0$ and $a_1=1$ we get $$a_n=frac{16^n-4^n}{12}$$
So overall except for notations we used the same method. Good job!
I find your text a bit confusing, but your calculations are perfectly fine.
- For instance once you have determined that terms in $x^3$ are not needed, do not carry everywhere $P_kx^3$, work only on the remainder like I did.
- Also your choice of $Bx^2+Ax+C$ is weird, why swapping the meaning of $A$ and $B$ in regards to usual quadratics $(ax^2+bx+c)$ ?
- Finally I have nothing against caps but inherently here $4$ and $A$ have close graphs in this font, which do not ease the reading.
In the end, the resolution for my $a_n$ or your $B_k$ can be speeded up by using the theory on linear inductive sequences:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant-recursive_sequence
Finally as suggested by J.Omielan and d.k.o, it is a good idea to calculate the first terms and then go to OEIS, it sometimes helps the problem resolution to know the closed formula for the coefficients in advance.
https://oeis.org/A166984
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Thank you so much, I like this theory for speeding up the calculation so much!
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 13:13
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You need to solve the following recursion:
$$
begin{cases}
a_k=(a_{k-1}-2)^2, \
b_k=b_{k-1}a_{k-1}, \
c_k=c_{k-1}a_{k-1}+b_{k-1}^2
end{cases}
$$
with $a_1=4,b_1=-4,c_1=1$ ($a_k,b_k,c_k$ correspond to the coefficients of the constant term, $x$, and $x^2$, respectively).
The solution is
begin{align}
a_k=4, quad b_k=-4^k,quad c_k=4^{k-1}(4^k-1)/3.
end{align}
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I' sorry I do not understand the solution as I have not yet done recursions.
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 10:16
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@PrakharNagpal You have the solution for $a(k)$. Plug it into the equation for $b(k)$ and you easily get $-4^k$. Then you plug these solutions into the third equation: $$ c(k)=4c(k-1)+4^{2(k-1)}. $$
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 10:24
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The answer seems correct
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 10:26
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$c(k)=frac{16^k-4^k}{12}$
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– Aleksas Domarkas
Dec 24 '18 at 10:31
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@AleksasDomarkas Thnx.
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 10:38
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If we note $f_k(x)=underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}}=x^3Q_k(x)+R_k(x)$ with $deg R_kle 2$
Then we are only interested in the following induction:
$$R_{k+1}(x)=(R_k(x)-2)^2pmod{x^3}$$
When squaring and taking the remainder of the division by $x^3$ you get $$(ax^2+bx+c-2)^2pmod{x^3}=(b^2+2ac-4a)x^2+(2bc-4b)x+(c^2-4c+4)$$
Note that $c_0=0$ and $c_1=0-0+4=4$ and $c_2=16-16+4=4$, so except for its first term, the sequence $(c_n)_n$ is constant and $forall i>0, c_i=4$.
Applying this simplification we get: $$(b^2+4a)x^2+4bx+4$$
The induction s then $P_0(x)=x$ : $begin{cases}a_0=0\b_0=1\c_0=0end{cases}quad$ and $quad P_n(x)$ : $begin{cases}a_n=b_{n-1}^2+4a_{n-1}\b_n=4b_{n-1}\c_n=4end{cases}$
The coefficient $b_n$ resolves easily to $b_n=4^n$
- Method 1 :
For $a_n$ you can go directly to $a_n-4a_{n-1}=frac 1{16}16^n$ which solves to $a_n=hom_n+part_n$
The homogeneous general solution is $hom_n=alpha 4^n$
And a particular solution with RHS has to be found under the form $part_n=beta 16^n$ since $4neq 16$.
- Method 2 :
We are linearising the equation for $a_n$.
$a_n=b_{n-1}^2+4a_{n-1}=16b_{n-2}^2+4a_{n-1}=16(a_{n-1}-4a_{n-2})+4a_{n-1}=20a_{n-1}-64a_{n-2}$
You get the linear equation with constant coefficients :
$$a_n-20a_{n-1}+64a_{n-2}=0$$
Whose characteristic equation $r^2-20r+64=0$ gives roots $r=4$ and $r=16$.
So both methods give in the end $$a_n=alpha 4^n + beta 16^n$$
Solving for $a_0=0$ and $a_1=1$ we get $$a_n=frac{16^n-4^n}{12}$$
So overall except for notations we used the same method. Good job!
I find your text a bit confusing, but your calculations are perfectly fine.
- For instance once you have determined that terms in $x^3$ are not needed, do not carry everywhere $P_kx^3$, work only on the remainder like I did.
- Also your choice of $Bx^2+Ax+C$ is weird, why swapping the meaning of $A$ and $B$ in regards to usual quadratics $(ax^2+bx+c)$ ?
- Finally I have nothing against caps but inherently here $4$ and $A$ have close graphs in this font, which do not ease the reading.
In the end, the resolution for my $a_n$ or your $B_k$ can be speeded up by using the theory on linear inductive sequences:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant-recursive_sequence
Finally as suggested by J.Omielan and d.k.o, it is a good idea to calculate the first terms and then go to OEIS, it sometimes helps the problem resolution to know the closed formula for the coefficients in advance.
https://oeis.org/A166984
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Thank you so much, I like this theory for speeding up the calculation so much!
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 13:13
add a comment |
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If we note $f_k(x)=underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}}=x^3Q_k(x)+R_k(x)$ with $deg R_kle 2$
Then we are only interested in the following induction:
$$R_{k+1}(x)=(R_k(x)-2)^2pmod{x^3}$$
When squaring and taking the remainder of the division by $x^3$ you get $$(ax^2+bx+c-2)^2pmod{x^3}=(b^2+2ac-4a)x^2+(2bc-4b)x+(c^2-4c+4)$$
Note that $c_0=0$ and $c_1=0-0+4=4$ and $c_2=16-16+4=4$, so except for its first term, the sequence $(c_n)_n$ is constant and $forall i>0, c_i=4$.
Applying this simplification we get: $$(b^2+4a)x^2+4bx+4$$
The induction s then $P_0(x)=x$ : $begin{cases}a_0=0\b_0=1\c_0=0end{cases}quad$ and $quad P_n(x)$ : $begin{cases}a_n=b_{n-1}^2+4a_{n-1}\b_n=4b_{n-1}\c_n=4end{cases}$
The coefficient $b_n$ resolves easily to $b_n=4^n$
- Method 1 :
For $a_n$ you can go directly to $a_n-4a_{n-1}=frac 1{16}16^n$ which solves to $a_n=hom_n+part_n$
The homogeneous general solution is $hom_n=alpha 4^n$
And a particular solution with RHS has to be found under the form $part_n=beta 16^n$ since $4neq 16$.
- Method 2 :
We are linearising the equation for $a_n$.
$a_n=b_{n-1}^2+4a_{n-1}=16b_{n-2}^2+4a_{n-1}=16(a_{n-1}-4a_{n-2})+4a_{n-1}=20a_{n-1}-64a_{n-2}$
You get the linear equation with constant coefficients :
$$a_n-20a_{n-1}+64a_{n-2}=0$$
Whose characteristic equation $r^2-20r+64=0$ gives roots $r=4$ and $r=16$.
So both methods give in the end $$a_n=alpha 4^n + beta 16^n$$
Solving for $a_0=0$ and $a_1=1$ we get $$a_n=frac{16^n-4^n}{12}$$
So overall except for notations we used the same method. Good job!
I find your text a bit confusing, but your calculations are perfectly fine.
- For instance once you have determined that terms in $x^3$ are not needed, do not carry everywhere $P_kx^3$, work only on the remainder like I did.
- Also your choice of $Bx^2+Ax+C$ is weird, why swapping the meaning of $A$ and $B$ in regards to usual quadratics $(ax^2+bx+c)$ ?
- Finally I have nothing against caps but inherently here $4$ and $A$ have close graphs in this font, which do not ease the reading.
In the end, the resolution for my $a_n$ or your $B_k$ can be speeded up by using the theory on linear inductive sequences:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant-recursive_sequence
Finally as suggested by J.Omielan and d.k.o, it is a good idea to calculate the first terms and then go to OEIS, it sometimes helps the problem resolution to know the closed formula for the coefficients in advance.
https://oeis.org/A166984
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Thank you so much, I like this theory for speeding up the calculation so much!
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 13:13
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If we note $f_k(x)=underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}}=x^3Q_k(x)+R_k(x)$ with $deg R_kle 2$
Then we are only interested in the following induction:
$$R_{k+1}(x)=(R_k(x)-2)^2pmod{x^3}$$
When squaring and taking the remainder of the division by $x^3$ you get $$(ax^2+bx+c-2)^2pmod{x^3}=(b^2+2ac-4a)x^2+(2bc-4b)x+(c^2-4c+4)$$
Note that $c_0=0$ and $c_1=0-0+4=4$ and $c_2=16-16+4=4$, so except for its first term, the sequence $(c_n)_n$ is constant and $forall i>0, c_i=4$.
Applying this simplification we get: $$(b^2+4a)x^2+4bx+4$$
The induction s then $P_0(x)=x$ : $begin{cases}a_0=0\b_0=1\c_0=0end{cases}quad$ and $quad P_n(x)$ : $begin{cases}a_n=b_{n-1}^2+4a_{n-1}\b_n=4b_{n-1}\c_n=4end{cases}$
The coefficient $b_n$ resolves easily to $b_n=4^n$
- Method 1 :
For $a_n$ you can go directly to $a_n-4a_{n-1}=frac 1{16}16^n$ which solves to $a_n=hom_n+part_n$
The homogeneous general solution is $hom_n=alpha 4^n$
And a particular solution with RHS has to be found under the form $part_n=beta 16^n$ since $4neq 16$.
- Method 2 :
We are linearising the equation for $a_n$.
$a_n=b_{n-1}^2+4a_{n-1}=16b_{n-2}^2+4a_{n-1}=16(a_{n-1}-4a_{n-2})+4a_{n-1}=20a_{n-1}-64a_{n-2}$
You get the linear equation with constant coefficients :
$$a_n-20a_{n-1}+64a_{n-2}=0$$
Whose characteristic equation $r^2-20r+64=0$ gives roots $r=4$ and $r=16$.
So both methods give in the end $$a_n=alpha 4^n + beta 16^n$$
Solving for $a_0=0$ and $a_1=1$ we get $$a_n=frac{16^n-4^n}{12}$$
So overall except for notations we used the same method. Good job!
I find your text a bit confusing, but your calculations are perfectly fine.
- For instance once you have determined that terms in $x^3$ are not needed, do not carry everywhere $P_kx^3$, work only on the remainder like I did.
- Also your choice of $Bx^2+Ax+C$ is weird, why swapping the meaning of $A$ and $B$ in regards to usual quadratics $(ax^2+bx+c)$ ?
- Finally I have nothing against caps but inherently here $4$ and $A$ have close graphs in this font, which do not ease the reading.
In the end, the resolution for my $a_n$ or your $B_k$ can be speeded up by using the theory on linear inductive sequences:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant-recursive_sequence
Finally as suggested by J.Omielan and d.k.o, it is a good idea to calculate the first terms and then go to OEIS, it sometimes helps the problem resolution to know the closed formula for the coefficients in advance.
https://oeis.org/A166984
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If we note $f_k(x)=underbrace{left(left(left(left(x-2right)^2 -2right)^2 -2right)^2 -cdots -2right)^2}_{k;text{times}}=x^3Q_k(x)+R_k(x)$ with $deg R_kle 2$
Then we are only interested in the following induction:
$$R_{k+1}(x)=(R_k(x)-2)^2pmod{x^3}$$
When squaring and taking the remainder of the division by $x^3$ you get $$(ax^2+bx+c-2)^2pmod{x^3}=(b^2+2ac-4a)x^2+(2bc-4b)x+(c^2-4c+4)$$
Note that $c_0=0$ and $c_1=0-0+4=4$ and $c_2=16-16+4=4$, so except for its first term, the sequence $(c_n)_n$ is constant and $forall i>0, c_i=4$.
Applying this simplification we get: $$(b^2+4a)x^2+4bx+4$$
The induction s then $P_0(x)=x$ : $begin{cases}a_0=0\b_0=1\c_0=0end{cases}quad$ and $quad P_n(x)$ : $begin{cases}a_n=b_{n-1}^2+4a_{n-1}\b_n=4b_{n-1}\c_n=4end{cases}$
The coefficient $b_n$ resolves easily to $b_n=4^n$
- Method 1 :
For $a_n$ you can go directly to $a_n-4a_{n-1}=frac 1{16}16^n$ which solves to $a_n=hom_n+part_n$
The homogeneous general solution is $hom_n=alpha 4^n$
And a particular solution with RHS has to be found under the form $part_n=beta 16^n$ since $4neq 16$.
- Method 2 :
We are linearising the equation for $a_n$.
$a_n=b_{n-1}^2+4a_{n-1}=16b_{n-2}^2+4a_{n-1}=16(a_{n-1}-4a_{n-2})+4a_{n-1}=20a_{n-1}-64a_{n-2}$
You get the linear equation with constant coefficients :
$$a_n-20a_{n-1}+64a_{n-2}=0$$
Whose characteristic equation $r^2-20r+64=0$ gives roots $r=4$ and $r=16$.
So both methods give in the end $$a_n=alpha 4^n + beta 16^n$$
Solving for $a_0=0$ and $a_1=1$ we get $$a_n=frac{16^n-4^n}{12}$$
So overall except for notations we used the same method. Good job!
I find your text a bit confusing, but your calculations are perfectly fine.
- For instance once you have determined that terms in $x^3$ are not needed, do not carry everywhere $P_kx^3$, work only on the remainder like I did.
- Also your choice of $Bx^2+Ax+C$ is weird, why swapping the meaning of $A$ and $B$ in regards to usual quadratics $(ax^2+bx+c)$ ?
- Finally I have nothing against caps but inherently here $4$ and $A$ have close graphs in this font, which do not ease the reading.
In the end, the resolution for my $a_n$ or your $B_k$ can be speeded up by using the theory on linear inductive sequences:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant-recursive_sequence
Finally as suggested by J.Omielan and d.k.o, it is a good idea to calculate the first terms and then go to OEIS, it sometimes helps the problem resolution to know the closed formula for the coefficients in advance.
https://oeis.org/A166984
answered Dec 24 '18 at 13:11
zwimzwim
12k730
12k730
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Thank you so much, I like this theory for speeding up the calculation so much!
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 13:13
add a comment |
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Thank you so much, I like this theory for speeding up the calculation so much!
$endgroup$
– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 13:13
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Thank you so much, I like this theory for speeding up the calculation so much!
$endgroup$
– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 13:13
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Thank you so much, I like this theory for speeding up the calculation so much!
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 13:13
add a comment |
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You need to solve the following recursion:
$$
begin{cases}
a_k=(a_{k-1}-2)^2, \
b_k=b_{k-1}a_{k-1}, \
c_k=c_{k-1}a_{k-1}+b_{k-1}^2
end{cases}
$$
with $a_1=4,b_1=-4,c_1=1$ ($a_k,b_k,c_k$ correspond to the coefficients of the constant term, $x$, and $x^2$, respectively).
The solution is
begin{align}
a_k=4, quad b_k=-4^k,quad c_k=4^{k-1}(4^k-1)/3.
end{align}
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I' sorry I do not understand the solution as I have not yet done recursions.
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 10:16
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@PrakharNagpal You have the solution for $a(k)$. Plug it into the equation for $b(k)$ and you easily get $-4^k$. Then you plug these solutions into the third equation: $$ c(k)=4c(k-1)+4^{2(k-1)}. $$
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 10:24
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The answer seems correct
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 10:26
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$c(k)=frac{16^k-4^k}{12}$
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– Aleksas Domarkas
Dec 24 '18 at 10:31
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@AleksasDomarkas Thnx.
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 10:38
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You need to solve the following recursion:
$$
begin{cases}
a_k=(a_{k-1}-2)^2, \
b_k=b_{k-1}a_{k-1}, \
c_k=c_{k-1}a_{k-1}+b_{k-1}^2
end{cases}
$$
with $a_1=4,b_1=-4,c_1=1$ ($a_k,b_k,c_k$ correspond to the coefficients of the constant term, $x$, and $x^2$, respectively).
The solution is
begin{align}
a_k=4, quad b_k=-4^k,quad c_k=4^{k-1}(4^k-1)/3.
end{align}
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I' sorry I do not understand the solution as I have not yet done recursions.
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 10:16
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@PrakharNagpal You have the solution for $a(k)$. Plug it into the equation for $b(k)$ and you easily get $-4^k$. Then you plug these solutions into the third equation: $$ c(k)=4c(k-1)+4^{2(k-1)}. $$
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 10:24
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The answer seems correct
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 10:26
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$c(k)=frac{16^k-4^k}{12}$
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– Aleksas Domarkas
Dec 24 '18 at 10:31
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@AleksasDomarkas Thnx.
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 10:38
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You need to solve the following recursion:
$$
begin{cases}
a_k=(a_{k-1}-2)^2, \
b_k=b_{k-1}a_{k-1}, \
c_k=c_{k-1}a_{k-1}+b_{k-1}^2
end{cases}
$$
with $a_1=4,b_1=-4,c_1=1$ ($a_k,b_k,c_k$ correspond to the coefficients of the constant term, $x$, and $x^2$, respectively).
The solution is
begin{align}
a_k=4, quad b_k=-4^k,quad c_k=4^{k-1}(4^k-1)/3.
end{align}
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You need to solve the following recursion:
$$
begin{cases}
a_k=(a_{k-1}-2)^2, \
b_k=b_{k-1}a_{k-1}, \
c_k=c_{k-1}a_{k-1}+b_{k-1}^2
end{cases}
$$
with $a_1=4,b_1=-4,c_1=1$ ($a_k,b_k,c_k$ correspond to the coefficients of the constant term, $x$, and $x^2$, respectively).
The solution is
begin{align}
a_k=4, quad b_k=-4^k,quad c_k=4^{k-1}(4^k-1)/3.
end{align}
edited Jan 2 at 3:30
answered Dec 24 '18 at 10:12
d.k.o.d.k.o.
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9,300628
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I' sorry I do not understand the solution as I have not yet done recursions.
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 10:16
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@PrakharNagpal You have the solution for $a(k)$. Plug it into the equation for $b(k)$ and you easily get $-4^k$. Then you plug these solutions into the third equation: $$ c(k)=4c(k-1)+4^{2(k-1)}. $$
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 10:24
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The answer seems correct
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 10:26
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$c(k)=frac{16^k-4^k}{12}$
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– Aleksas Domarkas
Dec 24 '18 at 10:31
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@AleksasDomarkas Thnx.
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 10:38
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show 1 more comment
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I' sorry I do not understand the solution as I have not yet done recursions.
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 10:16
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@PrakharNagpal You have the solution for $a(k)$. Plug it into the equation for $b(k)$ and you easily get $-4^k$. Then you plug these solutions into the third equation: $$ c(k)=4c(k-1)+4^{2(k-1)}. $$
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 10:24
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The answer seems correct
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 10:26
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$c(k)=frac{16^k-4^k}{12}$
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– Aleksas Domarkas
Dec 24 '18 at 10:31
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@AleksasDomarkas Thnx.
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 10:38
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I' sorry I do not understand the solution as I have not yet done recursions.
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 10:16
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I' sorry I do not understand the solution as I have not yet done recursions.
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 10:16
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@PrakharNagpal You have the solution for $a(k)$. Plug it into the equation for $b(k)$ and you easily get $-4^k$. Then you plug these solutions into the third equation: $$ c(k)=4c(k-1)+4^{2(k-1)}. $$
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 10:24
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@PrakharNagpal You have the solution for $a(k)$. Plug it into the equation for $b(k)$ and you easily get $-4^k$. Then you plug these solutions into the third equation: $$ c(k)=4c(k-1)+4^{2(k-1)}. $$
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 10:24
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The answer seems correct
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 10:26
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The answer seems correct
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 10:26
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$c(k)=frac{16^k-4^k}{12}$
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– Aleksas Domarkas
Dec 24 '18 at 10:31
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$c(k)=frac{16^k-4^k}{12}$
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– Aleksas Domarkas
Dec 24 '18 at 10:31
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@AleksasDomarkas Thnx.
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 10:38
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@AleksasDomarkas Thnx.
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 10:38
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Have you tried checking the results for the initial few values of $k$ to see if there is any pattern? Note I haven't done this myself so I don't know if it'll help or not.
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– John Omielan
Dec 24 '18 at 9:46
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I tried but for $kgt 2 $ it gets fuzzy
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 9:48
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oeis.org/A166984
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– d.k.o.
Dec 24 '18 at 9:50
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@d.k.o. I'm sorry I know what OEIS is but I am looking for a method not the solution, I'm more interested in the how.
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– Prakhar Nagpal
Dec 24 '18 at 9:56
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@PrakharNagpal d.k.o means that the answer is the numbers from that oeis sequence. By the way, I have examined the first a few terms, and it matches.
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– fantasie
Dec 24 '18 at 10:10