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While I do know that $frac{dy}{dx}$ isn't a fraction and shouldn't be treated as such, in many situations, doing things like multiplying both sides by $dx$ and integrating, cancelling terms, doing things like $frac{dy}{dx} = frac{1}{frac{dx}{dy}}$ works out just fine.



So I wanted to know: Are there any particular cases (in single-variable calculus) we have to look out for, where treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a fraction gives incorrect answers, in particular, at an introductory level?



Note: Please provide specific instances and examples where treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a fraction fails










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    Huh. I've always found it helpful to always treat it like a fraction. :/
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    @HansLundmark At least the first one isn't, as this question is dealing specifically with single-variable calculus, and there the answers are all multivariable.
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    @HansLundmark The reason I created this thread is because in all of the duplicates you've mentioned, none of the answers have shown an example where treating $dy/dx$ as a fraction in single variable calculus has led to incorrect answers or given circumstances where we should not treat it like a fraction, i.e, none of them have really answered the question.
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While I do know that $frac{dy}{dx}$ isn't a fraction and shouldn't be treated as such, in many situations, doing things like multiplying both sides by $dx$ and integrating, cancelling terms, doing things like $frac{dy}{dx} = frac{1}{frac{dx}{dy}}$ works out just fine.



So I wanted to know: Are there any particular cases (in single-variable calculus) we have to look out for, where treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a fraction gives incorrect answers, in particular, at an introductory level?



Note: Please provide specific instances and examples where treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a fraction fails










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    @HansLundmark The reason I created this thread is because in all of the duplicates you've mentioned, none of the answers have shown an example where treating $dy/dx$ as a fraction in single variable calculus has led to incorrect answers or given circumstances where we should not treat it like a fraction, i.e, none of them have really answered the question.
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While I do know that $frac{dy}{dx}$ isn't a fraction and shouldn't be treated as such, in many situations, doing things like multiplying both sides by $dx$ and integrating, cancelling terms, doing things like $frac{dy}{dx} = frac{1}{frac{dx}{dy}}$ works out just fine.



So I wanted to know: Are there any particular cases (in single-variable calculus) we have to look out for, where treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a fraction gives incorrect answers, in particular, at an introductory level?



Note: Please provide specific instances and examples where treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a fraction fails










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While I do know that $frac{dy}{dx}$ isn't a fraction and shouldn't be treated as such, in many situations, doing things like multiplying both sides by $dx$ and integrating, cancelling terms, doing things like $frac{dy}{dx} = frac{1}{frac{dx}{dy}}$ works out just fine.



So I wanted to know: Are there any particular cases (in single-variable calculus) we have to look out for, where treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a fraction gives incorrect answers, in particular, at an introductory level?



Note: Please provide specific instances and examples where treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a fraction fails







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    @HansLundmark The reason I created this thread is because in all of the duplicates you've mentioned, none of the answers have shown an example where treating $dy/dx$ as a fraction in single variable calculus has led to incorrect answers or given circumstances where we should not treat it like a fraction, i.e, none of them have really answered the question.
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    @HansLundmark The reason I created this thread is because in all of the duplicates you've mentioned, none of the answers have shown an example where treating $dy/dx$ as a fraction in single variable calculus has led to incorrect answers or given circumstances where we should not treat it like a fraction, i.e, none of them have really answered the question.
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@HansLundmark The reason I created this thread is because in all of the duplicates you've mentioned, none of the answers have shown an example where treating $dy/dx$ as a fraction in single variable calculus has led to incorrect answers or given circumstances where we should not treat it like a fraction, i.e, none of them have really answered the question.
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@HansLundmark The reason I created this thread is because in all of the duplicates you've mentioned, none of the answers have shown an example where treating $dy/dx$ as a fraction in single variable calculus has led to incorrect answers or given circumstances where we should not treat it like a fraction, i.e, none of them have really answered the question.
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It is because of the extraordinary power of Leibniz's differential notation, which allows you to treat them as fractions while solving problems. The justification for this mechanical process is apparent from the following general result:




Let $ y=h(x)$ be any solution of the separated differential equation
$A(y)dfrac{dy}{dx} = B(x)$... (i) such that $h'(x)$ is continuous on an open interval $I$, where $B(x)$ and $A(h(x))$ are assumed to be continuous on $I$. If $g$ is any primitive of $A$ (i.e. $g'=A$) on $I$, then $h$ satisfies the equation $g(y)=int {B(x)dx} + c$...(ii) for some constant $c$. Conversely, if $y$ satisfies (ii) then $y$ is a solution of (i).




Also, it would be advisable to say $dfrac{dy}{dx}=dfrac{1}{dfrac{dx}{dy}}$ only when the function $y(x)$ is invertible.



Say you are asked to find the equation of normal to a curve $y(x)$ at a particular point $(x_1,y_1)$. In general you should write the slope of the equation as $-dfrac{1}{dfrac{dy}{dx}}big|_{(x_1,y_1)}$ instead of simply writing it as $-dfrac{dx}{dy}big|_{(x_1,y_1)}$ without checking for the invertibility of the function (which would be redundant here). However, the numerical calculations will remain the same in any case.



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The Leibniz notation ensures that no problem will arise if one treats the differentials as fractions because it beautifully works out in single-variable calculus. But explicitly stating them as 'fractions' in any exam/test could cost one the all important marks. One could be criticised in this case to be not formal enough in his/her approach.



Also have a look at this answer which explains the likely pitfalls of the fraction treatment.






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    I think you mixed up $h$ and $g$ in the yellow box. For example, you write "then $h$ satisfies the equation [...]" but there is no $h$ in that equation.
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In calculus we have this relationship between differentials: $dy = f^{prime}(x) dx$ which could be written $dy = frac{dy}{dx} dx$. If you have $frac{dy}{dx} = sin x$, then it's legal to multiply both sides by $dx$. On the left you have $frac{dy}{dx} dx$. When you replace it with $dy$ using the above relationship, it looks just like you've cancelled the $dx$'s. Such a replacement is so much like division we can hardly tell the difference.



However if you have an implicitly defined function $f(x,y) = 0$, the total differential is $f_x ;dx + f_y ;dy = 0$. "Solving" for $frac{dy}{dx}$ gives $$frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{f_x}{f_y} = -frac{partial f / partial x}{partial f /partial y}.$$ This is the correct formula for implicit differentiation, which we arrived at by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ration, but then look at the last fraction. If you simplify it, it makes the equation $$frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{dy}{dx}.$$ That pesky minus sign sneeks in because we reversed the roles of $x$ and $y$ between the two partial derivatives. Maddening.






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    I like the last example . . . I found it last year myself and showed it to my classmates . . . no one was able to understand what happened (they did not know partial differentitation)
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    But the last fraction has partial derivatives, which are not only written differently, but also are something different. So to arrive at your final result, you would first have to replace $partial$ with $d$, and only then "cancel" $df$. So it's not a real counterexample (not to mention that the question explicitly asked for single-variable calculus).
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    I second @celtschk's remark. Partial derivatives are too often used misleadingly in attempts to discredit the approach to $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio. It is not a valid objection.
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    This is a bit like worrying whether we hurt Pluto's feelings when we decided it wasn't a planet. I'm not trying to "discredit" anything. In this case, 1. Try to define the difference between $d$ and $partial$ so that it matters for this question. 2. No, you don't have to change the $partial$ to $d$ to make the $partial F$'s cancel. 3. I am assuming the OP is a student, in which case communication needs to precede rigor.
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    This is not an example from single-variable calculus, as the question requests. Partial derivatives belong to multivariable calculus.
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There are places where it is "obvious" that we should not blindly
apply the laws of arithmetic to $frac{dy}{dx}$ as if it were
a ratio of real numbers $dy$ and $dx$.
An example from another question is
$$
frac{dy}{dx}+frac{du}{dv} overset ?= frac{dy,dv+dx,du}{dx, dv},
$$
where the left-hand side has a clear interpretation but the right-hand
side does not.



As for any false equation that you might actually be tempted to write
by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio, however, I have not seen
any actual counterexamples in any of the several related questions
and their answers (including the question already mentioned,
this question, or
this question).



In practice, the problem I see with treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as if it were a ratio is not whether an equation is true or not, but how we know
that it is true. For example, if you write
$frac{dy}{dx} , frac{dx}{dt} = frac{dy}{dt}$
because it seems to you that the $dx$ terms cancel,
without having first learned (or discovered) the chain rule and
having recognized that it justifies this particular equation,
then I would say you're just making an ill-educated guess about this
equation rather than doing mathematics.
(I'll grant that the equation is valid mathematics even if you don't
remember that it's called the "chain rule". I think that particular detail
is mainly important when teaching or when answering questions on
calculus exams that are designed to test whether you were paying
attention when that rule was introduced.)






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    The big thing is that there is a thing called a "differential", and we can make things like $mathrm{d}y$ or $mathrm{d}f(t)$ mean one of those.



    We can multiply differentials by functions (e.g. $x^2 mathrm{d}x$), and we can add differentials, and these operations will behave like you expect them to.



    Don't try to multiply two differentials, though: the right way to do that probably does not behave like you expect them to.



    $mathrm{d}$ satisfies the 'laws' of differentiation; e.g. $mathrm{d}f(t) = f'(t) mathrm{d}t$ and $mathrm{d}(xy) = x mathrm{d}y + y mathrm{d}x$.



    Don't try to differentiate a differential either; the usual way to do that again doesn't behave how you expect, and is probably unrelated to what you wanted to do anyways.



    Anyways, if you have an equation like $mathrm{d}y = 2x mathrm{d}x$ (e.g. by applying $mathrm{d}$ to the equation $y = x^2$) and $mathrm{d}x$ is "nonzero" in a suitable sense, then it makes sense to define $frac{mathrm{d}y}{mathrm{d}x}$ to mean the ratio between the differentials.



    Single variable calculus is peculiar in that all of the variables and expressions you work with will have differentials that are multiples of one another. This isn't true in general; e.g. if $x$ and $y$ are independent, then $mathrm{d}x$ and $mathrm{d}y$ are not multiples of one another, and $frac{mathrm{d}y}{mathrm{d}x}$ is utter nonsense.



    Differentials are still very useful in such a setting, though, although the "usual" approach tends to neglect them.



    There is a notion called a "partial derivative", often given similar notation $frac{partial y}{partial x}$, but it really doesn't pay to treat it like a fraction, and there isn't really a corresponding notion of $partial x$.






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      In single-variable calculus, I am not aware of a single instance of getting incorrect results by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio. This is why in fact there are so few mistakes in Leibniz who did treat it as a ratio. However, there are certainly times when you should not treat it as a ratio. You shouldn't do that at the time of the exams in the course, because the instructor's reaction will surely be to take off points.






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        It is because of the extraordinary power of Leibniz's differential notation, which allows you to treat them as fractions while solving problems. The justification for this mechanical process is apparent from the following general result:




        Let $ y=h(x)$ be any solution of the separated differential equation
        $A(y)dfrac{dy}{dx} = B(x)$... (i) such that $h'(x)$ is continuous on an open interval $I$, where $B(x)$ and $A(h(x))$ are assumed to be continuous on $I$. If $g$ is any primitive of $A$ (i.e. $g'=A$) on $I$, then $h$ satisfies the equation $g(y)=int {B(x)dx} + c$...(ii) for some constant $c$. Conversely, if $y$ satisfies (ii) then $y$ is a solution of (i).




        Also, it would be advisable to say $dfrac{dy}{dx}=dfrac{1}{dfrac{dx}{dy}}$ only when the function $y(x)$ is invertible.



        Say you are asked to find the equation of normal to a curve $y(x)$ at a particular point $(x_1,y_1)$. In general you should write the slope of the equation as $-dfrac{1}{dfrac{dy}{dx}}big|_{(x_1,y_1)}$ instead of simply writing it as $-dfrac{dx}{dy}big|_{(x_1,y_1)}$ without checking for the invertibility of the function (which would be redundant here). However, the numerical calculations will remain the same in any case.



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        The Leibniz notation ensures that no problem will arise if one treats the differentials as fractions because it beautifully works out in single-variable calculus. But explicitly stating them as 'fractions' in any exam/test could cost one the all important marks. One could be criticised in this case to be not formal enough in his/her approach.



        Also have a look at this answer which explains the likely pitfalls of the fraction treatment.






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          I think you mixed up $h$ and $g$ in the yellow box. For example, you write "then $h$ satisfies the equation [...]" but there is no $h$ in that equation.
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          -1, because I don't think this answers the question.
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          @MartinArgerami nothing here answers the real question.
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          @MartinArgerami I guess it is clear now.
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        It is because of the extraordinary power of Leibniz's differential notation, which allows you to treat them as fractions while solving problems. The justification for this mechanical process is apparent from the following general result:




        Let $ y=h(x)$ be any solution of the separated differential equation
        $A(y)dfrac{dy}{dx} = B(x)$... (i) such that $h'(x)$ is continuous on an open interval $I$, where $B(x)$ and $A(h(x))$ are assumed to be continuous on $I$. If $g$ is any primitive of $A$ (i.e. $g'=A$) on $I$, then $h$ satisfies the equation $g(y)=int {B(x)dx} + c$...(ii) for some constant $c$. Conversely, if $y$ satisfies (ii) then $y$ is a solution of (i).




        Also, it would be advisable to say $dfrac{dy}{dx}=dfrac{1}{dfrac{dx}{dy}}$ only when the function $y(x)$ is invertible.



        Say you are asked to find the equation of normal to a curve $y(x)$ at a particular point $(x_1,y_1)$. In general you should write the slope of the equation as $-dfrac{1}{dfrac{dy}{dx}}big|_{(x_1,y_1)}$ instead of simply writing it as $-dfrac{dx}{dy}big|_{(x_1,y_1)}$ without checking for the invertibility of the function (which would be redundant here). However, the numerical calculations will remain the same in any case.



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        The Leibniz notation ensures that no problem will arise if one treats the differentials as fractions because it beautifully works out in single-variable calculus. But explicitly stating them as 'fractions' in any exam/test could cost one the all important marks. One could be criticised in this case to be not formal enough in his/her approach.



        Also have a look at this answer which explains the likely pitfalls of the fraction treatment.






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          I think you mixed up $h$ and $g$ in the yellow box. For example, you write "then $h$ satisfies the equation [...]" but there is no $h$ in that equation.
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          @MartinArgerami nothing here answers the real question.
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        It is because of the extraordinary power of Leibniz's differential notation, which allows you to treat them as fractions while solving problems. The justification for this mechanical process is apparent from the following general result:




        Let $ y=h(x)$ be any solution of the separated differential equation
        $A(y)dfrac{dy}{dx} = B(x)$... (i) such that $h'(x)$ is continuous on an open interval $I$, where $B(x)$ and $A(h(x))$ are assumed to be continuous on $I$. If $g$ is any primitive of $A$ (i.e. $g'=A$) on $I$, then $h$ satisfies the equation $g(y)=int {B(x)dx} + c$...(ii) for some constant $c$. Conversely, if $y$ satisfies (ii) then $y$ is a solution of (i).




        Also, it would be advisable to say $dfrac{dy}{dx}=dfrac{1}{dfrac{dx}{dy}}$ only when the function $y(x)$ is invertible.



        Say you are asked to find the equation of normal to a curve $y(x)$ at a particular point $(x_1,y_1)$. In general you should write the slope of the equation as $-dfrac{1}{dfrac{dy}{dx}}big|_{(x_1,y_1)}$ instead of simply writing it as $-dfrac{dx}{dy}big|_{(x_1,y_1)}$ without checking for the invertibility of the function (which would be redundant here). However, the numerical calculations will remain the same in any case.



        EDIT.



        The Leibniz notation ensures that no problem will arise if one treats the differentials as fractions because it beautifully works out in single-variable calculus. But explicitly stating them as 'fractions' in any exam/test could cost one the all important marks. One could be criticised in this case to be not formal enough in his/her approach.



        Also have a look at this answer which explains the likely pitfalls of the fraction treatment.






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        It is because of the extraordinary power of Leibniz's differential notation, which allows you to treat them as fractions while solving problems. The justification for this mechanical process is apparent from the following general result:




        Let $ y=h(x)$ be any solution of the separated differential equation
        $A(y)dfrac{dy}{dx} = B(x)$... (i) such that $h'(x)$ is continuous on an open interval $I$, where $B(x)$ and $A(h(x))$ are assumed to be continuous on $I$. If $g$ is any primitive of $A$ (i.e. $g'=A$) on $I$, then $h$ satisfies the equation $g(y)=int {B(x)dx} + c$...(ii) for some constant $c$. Conversely, if $y$ satisfies (ii) then $y$ is a solution of (i).




        Also, it would be advisable to say $dfrac{dy}{dx}=dfrac{1}{dfrac{dx}{dy}}$ only when the function $y(x)$ is invertible.



        Say you are asked to find the equation of normal to a curve $y(x)$ at a particular point $(x_1,y_1)$. In general you should write the slope of the equation as $-dfrac{1}{dfrac{dy}{dx}}big|_{(x_1,y_1)}$ instead of simply writing it as $-dfrac{dx}{dy}big|_{(x_1,y_1)}$ without checking for the invertibility of the function (which would be redundant here). However, the numerical calculations will remain the same in any case.



        EDIT.



        The Leibniz notation ensures that no problem will arise if one treats the differentials as fractions because it beautifully works out in single-variable calculus. But explicitly stating them as 'fractions' in any exam/test could cost one the all important marks. One could be criticised in this case to be not formal enough in his/her approach.



        Also have a look at this answer which explains the likely pitfalls of the fraction treatment.







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          I think you mixed up $h$ and $g$ in the yellow box. For example, you write "then $h$ satisfies the equation [...]" but there is no $h$ in that equation.
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          @Vincent It means $h$ is a solution of that equation.
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          -1, because I don't think this answers the question.
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          @MartinArgerami nothing here answers the real question.
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          – A---B
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          @MartinArgerami I guess it is clear now.
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          I think you mixed up $h$ and $g$ in the yellow box. For example, you write "then $h$ satisfies the equation [...]" but there is no $h$ in that equation.
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          – Vincent
          Aug 28 '16 at 17:07










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          @Vincent It means $h$ is a solution of that equation.
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          Aug 28 '16 at 17:26






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          -1, because I don't think this answers the question.
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          – Martin Argerami
          Aug 28 '16 at 19:36






        • 2




          $begingroup$
          @MartinArgerami nothing here answers the real question.
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          – A---B
          Aug 28 '16 at 23:03










        • $begingroup$
          @MartinArgerami I guess it is clear now.
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          – StubbornAtom
          Aug 29 '16 at 6:36
















        $begingroup$
        I think you mixed up $h$ and $g$ in the yellow box. For example, you write "then $h$ satisfies the equation [...]" but there is no $h$ in that equation.
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        – Vincent
        Aug 28 '16 at 17:07




        $begingroup$
        I think you mixed up $h$ and $g$ in the yellow box. For example, you write "then $h$ satisfies the equation [...]" but there is no $h$ in that equation.
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        – Vincent
        Aug 28 '16 at 17:07












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        @Vincent It means $h$ is a solution of that equation.
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        – StubbornAtom
        Aug 28 '16 at 17:26




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        @Vincent It means $h$ is a solution of that equation.
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        Aug 28 '16 at 17:26




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        -1, because I don't think this answers the question.
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        – Martin Argerami
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        -1, because I don't think this answers the question.
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        – Martin Argerami
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        @MartinArgerami nothing here answers the real question.
        $endgroup$
        – A---B
        Aug 28 '16 at 23:03




        $begingroup$
        @MartinArgerami nothing here answers the real question.
        $endgroup$
        – A---B
        Aug 28 '16 at 23:03












        $begingroup$
        @MartinArgerami I guess it is clear now.
        $endgroup$
        – StubbornAtom
        Aug 29 '16 at 6:36




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        @MartinArgerami I guess it is clear now.
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        In calculus we have this relationship between differentials: $dy = f^{prime}(x) dx$ which could be written $dy = frac{dy}{dx} dx$. If you have $frac{dy}{dx} = sin x$, then it's legal to multiply both sides by $dx$. On the left you have $frac{dy}{dx} dx$. When you replace it with $dy$ using the above relationship, it looks just like you've cancelled the $dx$'s. Such a replacement is so much like division we can hardly tell the difference.



        However if you have an implicitly defined function $f(x,y) = 0$, the total differential is $f_x ;dx + f_y ;dy = 0$. "Solving" for $frac{dy}{dx}$ gives $$frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{f_x}{f_y} = -frac{partial f / partial x}{partial f /partial y}.$$ This is the correct formula for implicit differentiation, which we arrived at by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ration, but then look at the last fraction. If you simplify it, it makes the equation $$frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{dy}{dx}.$$ That pesky minus sign sneeks in because we reversed the roles of $x$ and $y$ between the two partial derivatives. Maddening.






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          I like the last example . . . I found it last year myself and showed it to my classmates . . . no one was able to understand what happened (they did not know partial differentitation)
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          – Kartik
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          But the last fraction has partial derivatives, which are not only written differently, but also are something different. So to arrive at your final result, you would first have to replace $partial$ with $d$, and only then "cancel" $df$. So it's not a real counterexample (not to mention that the question explicitly asked for single-variable calculus).
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          I second @celtschk's remark. Partial derivatives are too often used misleadingly in attempts to discredit the approach to $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio. It is not a valid objection.
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          – Mikhail Katz
          Aug 28 '16 at 16:24






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          This is a bit like worrying whether we hurt Pluto's feelings when we decided it wasn't a planet. I'm not trying to "discredit" anything. In this case, 1. Try to define the difference between $d$ and $partial$ so that it matters for this question. 2. No, you don't have to change the $partial$ to $d$ to make the $partial F$'s cancel. 3. I am assuming the OP is a student, in which case communication needs to precede rigor.
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          This is not an example from single-variable calculus, as the question requests. Partial derivatives belong to multivariable calculus.
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        In calculus we have this relationship between differentials: $dy = f^{prime}(x) dx$ which could be written $dy = frac{dy}{dx} dx$. If you have $frac{dy}{dx} = sin x$, then it's legal to multiply both sides by $dx$. On the left you have $frac{dy}{dx} dx$. When you replace it with $dy$ using the above relationship, it looks just like you've cancelled the $dx$'s. Such a replacement is so much like division we can hardly tell the difference.



        However if you have an implicitly defined function $f(x,y) = 0$, the total differential is $f_x ;dx + f_y ;dy = 0$. "Solving" for $frac{dy}{dx}$ gives $$frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{f_x}{f_y} = -frac{partial f / partial x}{partial f /partial y}.$$ This is the correct formula for implicit differentiation, which we arrived at by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ration, but then look at the last fraction. If you simplify it, it makes the equation $$frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{dy}{dx}.$$ That pesky minus sign sneeks in because we reversed the roles of $x$ and $y$ between the two partial derivatives. Maddening.






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        • 1




          $begingroup$
          I like the last example . . . I found it last year myself and showed it to my classmates . . . no one was able to understand what happened (they did not know partial differentitation)
          $endgroup$
          – Kartik
          Aug 28 '16 at 14:19






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          $begingroup$
          But the last fraction has partial derivatives, which are not only written differently, but also are something different. So to arrive at your final result, you would first have to replace $partial$ with $d$, and only then "cancel" $df$. So it's not a real counterexample (not to mention that the question explicitly asked for single-variable calculus).
          $endgroup$
          – celtschk
          Aug 28 '16 at 14:28






        • 7




          $begingroup$
          I second @celtschk's remark. Partial derivatives are too often used misleadingly in attempts to discredit the approach to $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio. It is not a valid objection.
          $endgroup$
          – Mikhail Katz
          Aug 28 '16 at 16:24






        • 7




          $begingroup$
          This is a bit like worrying whether we hurt Pluto's feelings when we decided it wasn't a planet. I'm not trying to "discredit" anything. In this case, 1. Try to define the difference between $d$ and $partial$ so that it matters for this question. 2. No, you don't have to change the $partial$ to $d$ to make the $partial F$'s cancel. 3. I am assuming the OP is a student, in which case communication needs to precede rigor.
          $endgroup$
          – B. Goddard
          Aug 28 '16 at 17:51








        • 1




          $begingroup$
          This is not an example from single-variable calculus, as the question requests. Partial derivatives belong to multivariable calculus.
          $endgroup$
          – pregunton
          Aug 30 '16 at 15:16














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        $begingroup$

        In calculus we have this relationship between differentials: $dy = f^{prime}(x) dx$ which could be written $dy = frac{dy}{dx} dx$. If you have $frac{dy}{dx} = sin x$, then it's legal to multiply both sides by $dx$. On the left you have $frac{dy}{dx} dx$. When you replace it with $dy$ using the above relationship, it looks just like you've cancelled the $dx$'s. Such a replacement is so much like division we can hardly tell the difference.



        However if you have an implicitly defined function $f(x,y) = 0$, the total differential is $f_x ;dx + f_y ;dy = 0$. "Solving" for $frac{dy}{dx}$ gives $$frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{f_x}{f_y} = -frac{partial f / partial x}{partial f /partial y}.$$ This is the correct formula for implicit differentiation, which we arrived at by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ration, but then look at the last fraction. If you simplify it, it makes the equation $$frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{dy}{dx}.$$ That pesky minus sign sneeks in because we reversed the roles of $x$ and $y$ between the two partial derivatives. Maddening.






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        In calculus we have this relationship between differentials: $dy = f^{prime}(x) dx$ which could be written $dy = frac{dy}{dx} dx$. If you have $frac{dy}{dx} = sin x$, then it's legal to multiply both sides by $dx$. On the left you have $frac{dy}{dx} dx$. When you replace it with $dy$ using the above relationship, it looks just like you've cancelled the $dx$'s. Such a replacement is so much like division we can hardly tell the difference.



        However if you have an implicitly defined function $f(x,y) = 0$, the total differential is $f_x ;dx + f_y ;dy = 0$. "Solving" for $frac{dy}{dx}$ gives $$frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{f_x}{f_y} = -frac{partial f / partial x}{partial f /partial y}.$$ This is the correct formula for implicit differentiation, which we arrived at by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ration, but then look at the last fraction. If you simplify it, it makes the equation $$frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{dy}{dx}.$$ That pesky minus sign sneeks in because we reversed the roles of $x$ and $y$ between the two partial derivatives. Maddening.







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          I like the last example . . . I found it last year myself and showed it to my classmates . . . no one was able to understand what happened (they did not know partial differentitation)
          $endgroup$
          – Kartik
          Aug 28 '16 at 14:19






        • 30




          $begingroup$
          But the last fraction has partial derivatives, which are not only written differently, but also are something different. So to arrive at your final result, you would first have to replace $partial$ with $d$, and only then "cancel" $df$. So it's not a real counterexample (not to mention that the question explicitly asked for single-variable calculus).
          $endgroup$
          – celtschk
          Aug 28 '16 at 14:28






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          $begingroup$
          I second @celtschk's remark. Partial derivatives are too often used misleadingly in attempts to discredit the approach to $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio. It is not a valid objection.
          $endgroup$
          – Mikhail Katz
          Aug 28 '16 at 16:24






        • 7




          $begingroup$
          This is a bit like worrying whether we hurt Pluto's feelings when we decided it wasn't a planet. I'm not trying to "discredit" anything. In this case, 1. Try to define the difference between $d$ and $partial$ so that it matters for this question. 2. No, you don't have to change the $partial$ to $d$ to make the $partial F$'s cancel. 3. I am assuming the OP is a student, in which case communication needs to precede rigor.
          $endgroup$
          – B. Goddard
          Aug 28 '16 at 17:51








        • 1




          $begingroup$
          This is not an example from single-variable calculus, as the question requests. Partial derivatives belong to multivariable calculus.
          $endgroup$
          – pregunton
          Aug 30 '16 at 15:16














        • 1




          $begingroup$
          I like the last example . . . I found it last year myself and showed it to my classmates . . . no one was able to understand what happened (they did not know partial differentitation)
          $endgroup$
          – Kartik
          Aug 28 '16 at 14:19






        • 30




          $begingroup$
          But the last fraction has partial derivatives, which are not only written differently, but also are something different. So to arrive at your final result, you would first have to replace $partial$ with $d$, and only then "cancel" $df$. So it's not a real counterexample (not to mention that the question explicitly asked for single-variable calculus).
          $endgroup$
          – celtschk
          Aug 28 '16 at 14:28






        • 7




          $begingroup$
          I second @celtschk's remark. Partial derivatives are too often used misleadingly in attempts to discredit the approach to $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio. It is not a valid objection.
          $endgroup$
          – Mikhail Katz
          Aug 28 '16 at 16:24






        • 7




          $begingroup$
          This is a bit like worrying whether we hurt Pluto's feelings when we decided it wasn't a planet. I'm not trying to "discredit" anything. In this case, 1. Try to define the difference between $d$ and $partial$ so that it matters for this question. 2. No, you don't have to change the $partial$ to $d$ to make the $partial F$'s cancel. 3. I am assuming the OP is a student, in which case communication needs to precede rigor.
          $endgroup$
          – B. Goddard
          Aug 28 '16 at 17:51








        • 1




          $begingroup$
          This is not an example from single-variable calculus, as the question requests. Partial derivatives belong to multivariable calculus.
          $endgroup$
          – pregunton
          Aug 30 '16 at 15:16








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        I like the last example . . . I found it last year myself and showed it to my classmates . . . no one was able to understand what happened (they did not know partial differentitation)
        $endgroup$
        – Kartik
        Aug 28 '16 at 14:19




        $begingroup$
        I like the last example . . . I found it last year myself and showed it to my classmates . . . no one was able to understand what happened (they did not know partial differentitation)
        $endgroup$
        – Kartik
        Aug 28 '16 at 14:19




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        But the last fraction has partial derivatives, which are not only written differently, but also are something different. So to arrive at your final result, you would first have to replace $partial$ with $d$, and only then "cancel" $df$. So it's not a real counterexample (not to mention that the question explicitly asked for single-variable calculus).
        $endgroup$
        – celtschk
        Aug 28 '16 at 14:28




        $begingroup$
        But the last fraction has partial derivatives, which are not only written differently, but also are something different. So to arrive at your final result, you would first have to replace $partial$ with $d$, and only then "cancel" $df$. So it's not a real counterexample (not to mention that the question explicitly asked for single-variable calculus).
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        – celtschk
        Aug 28 '16 at 14:28




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        I second @celtschk's remark. Partial derivatives are too often used misleadingly in attempts to discredit the approach to $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio. It is not a valid objection.
        $endgroup$
        – Mikhail Katz
        Aug 28 '16 at 16:24




        $begingroup$
        I second @celtschk's remark. Partial derivatives are too often used misleadingly in attempts to discredit the approach to $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio. It is not a valid objection.
        $endgroup$
        – Mikhail Katz
        Aug 28 '16 at 16:24




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        $begingroup$
        This is a bit like worrying whether we hurt Pluto's feelings when we decided it wasn't a planet. I'm not trying to "discredit" anything. In this case, 1. Try to define the difference between $d$ and $partial$ so that it matters for this question. 2. No, you don't have to change the $partial$ to $d$ to make the $partial F$'s cancel. 3. I am assuming the OP is a student, in which case communication needs to precede rigor.
        $endgroup$
        – B. Goddard
        Aug 28 '16 at 17:51






        $begingroup$
        This is a bit like worrying whether we hurt Pluto's feelings when we decided it wasn't a planet. I'm not trying to "discredit" anything. In this case, 1. Try to define the difference between $d$ and $partial$ so that it matters for this question. 2. No, you don't have to change the $partial$ to $d$ to make the $partial F$'s cancel. 3. I am assuming the OP is a student, in which case communication needs to precede rigor.
        $endgroup$
        – B. Goddard
        Aug 28 '16 at 17:51






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        This is not an example from single-variable calculus, as the question requests. Partial derivatives belong to multivariable calculus.
        $endgroup$
        – pregunton
        Aug 30 '16 at 15:16




        $begingroup$
        This is not an example from single-variable calculus, as the question requests. Partial derivatives belong to multivariable calculus.
        $endgroup$
        – pregunton
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        There are places where it is "obvious" that we should not blindly
        apply the laws of arithmetic to $frac{dy}{dx}$ as if it were
        a ratio of real numbers $dy$ and $dx$.
        An example from another question is
        $$
        frac{dy}{dx}+frac{du}{dv} overset ?= frac{dy,dv+dx,du}{dx, dv},
        $$
        where the left-hand side has a clear interpretation but the right-hand
        side does not.



        As for any false equation that you might actually be tempted to write
        by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio, however, I have not seen
        any actual counterexamples in any of the several related questions
        and their answers (including the question already mentioned,
        this question, or
        this question).



        In practice, the problem I see with treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as if it were a ratio is not whether an equation is true or not, but how we know
        that it is true. For example, if you write
        $frac{dy}{dx} , frac{dx}{dt} = frac{dy}{dt}$
        because it seems to you that the $dx$ terms cancel,
        without having first learned (or discovered) the chain rule and
        having recognized that it justifies this particular equation,
        then I would say you're just making an ill-educated guess about this
        equation rather than doing mathematics.
        (I'll grant that the equation is valid mathematics even if you don't
        remember that it's called the "chain rule". I think that particular detail
        is mainly important when teaching or when answering questions on
        calculus exams that are designed to test whether you were paying
        attention when that rule was introduced.)






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          $begingroup$

          There are places where it is "obvious" that we should not blindly
          apply the laws of arithmetic to $frac{dy}{dx}$ as if it were
          a ratio of real numbers $dy$ and $dx$.
          An example from another question is
          $$
          frac{dy}{dx}+frac{du}{dv} overset ?= frac{dy,dv+dx,du}{dx, dv},
          $$
          where the left-hand side has a clear interpretation but the right-hand
          side does not.



          As for any false equation that you might actually be tempted to write
          by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio, however, I have not seen
          any actual counterexamples in any of the several related questions
          and their answers (including the question already mentioned,
          this question, or
          this question).



          In practice, the problem I see with treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as if it were a ratio is not whether an equation is true or not, but how we know
          that it is true. For example, if you write
          $frac{dy}{dx} , frac{dx}{dt} = frac{dy}{dt}$
          because it seems to you that the $dx$ terms cancel,
          without having first learned (or discovered) the chain rule and
          having recognized that it justifies this particular equation,
          then I would say you're just making an ill-educated guess about this
          equation rather than doing mathematics.
          (I'll grant that the equation is valid mathematics even if you don't
          remember that it's called the "chain rule". I think that particular detail
          is mainly important when teaching or when answering questions on
          calculus exams that are designed to test whether you were paying
          attention when that rule was introduced.)






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            $begingroup$

            There are places where it is "obvious" that we should not blindly
            apply the laws of arithmetic to $frac{dy}{dx}$ as if it were
            a ratio of real numbers $dy$ and $dx$.
            An example from another question is
            $$
            frac{dy}{dx}+frac{du}{dv} overset ?= frac{dy,dv+dx,du}{dx, dv},
            $$
            where the left-hand side has a clear interpretation but the right-hand
            side does not.



            As for any false equation that you might actually be tempted to write
            by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio, however, I have not seen
            any actual counterexamples in any of the several related questions
            and their answers (including the question already mentioned,
            this question, or
            this question).



            In practice, the problem I see with treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as if it were a ratio is not whether an equation is true or not, but how we know
            that it is true. For example, if you write
            $frac{dy}{dx} , frac{dx}{dt} = frac{dy}{dt}$
            because it seems to you that the $dx$ terms cancel,
            without having first learned (or discovered) the chain rule and
            having recognized that it justifies this particular equation,
            then I would say you're just making an ill-educated guess about this
            equation rather than doing mathematics.
            (I'll grant that the equation is valid mathematics even if you don't
            remember that it's called the "chain rule". I think that particular detail
            is mainly important when teaching or when answering questions on
            calculus exams that are designed to test whether you were paying
            attention when that rule was introduced.)






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            There are places where it is "obvious" that we should not blindly
            apply the laws of arithmetic to $frac{dy}{dx}$ as if it were
            a ratio of real numbers $dy$ and $dx$.
            An example from another question is
            $$
            frac{dy}{dx}+frac{du}{dv} overset ?= frac{dy,dv+dx,du}{dx, dv},
            $$
            where the left-hand side has a clear interpretation but the right-hand
            side does not.



            As for any false equation that you might actually be tempted to write
            by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio, however, I have not seen
            any actual counterexamples in any of the several related questions
            and their answers (including the question already mentioned,
            this question, or
            this question).



            In practice, the problem I see with treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as if it were a ratio is not whether an equation is true or not, but how we know
            that it is true. For example, if you write
            $frac{dy}{dx} , frac{dx}{dt} = frac{dy}{dt}$
            because it seems to you that the $dx$ terms cancel,
            without having first learned (or discovered) the chain rule and
            having recognized that it justifies this particular equation,
            then I would say you're just making an ill-educated guess about this
            equation rather than doing mathematics.
            (I'll grant that the equation is valid mathematics even if you don't
            remember that it's called the "chain rule". I think that particular detail
            is mainly important when teaching or when answering questions on
            calculus exams that are designed to test whether you were paying
            attention when that rule was introduced.)







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                The big thing is that there is a thing called a "differential", and we can make things like $mathrm{d}y$ or $mathrm{d}f(t)$ mean one of those.



                We can multiply differentials by functions (e.g. $x^2 mathrm{d}x$), and we can add differentials, and these operations will behave like you expect them to.



                Don't try to multiply two differentials, though: the right way to do that probably does not behave like you expect them to.



                $mathrm{d}$ satisfies the 'laws' of differentiation; e.g. $mathrm{d}f(t) = f'(t) mathrm{d}t$ and $mathrm{d}(xy) = x mathrm{d}y + y mathrm{d}x$.



                Don't try to differentiate a differential either; the usual way to do that again doesn't behave how you expect, and is probably unrelated to what you wanted to do anyways.



                Anyways, if you have an equation like $mathrm{d}y = 2x mathrm{d}x$ (e.g. by applying $mathrm{d}$ to the equation $y = x^2$) and $mathrm{d}x$ is "nonzero" in a suitable sense, then it makes sense to define $frac{mathrm{d}y}{mathrm{d}x}$ to mean the ratio between the differentials.



                Single variable calculus is peculiar in that all of the variables and expressions you work with will have differentials that are multiples of one another. This isn't true in general; e.g. if $x$ and $y$ are independent, then $mathrm{d}x$ and $mathrm{d}y$ are not multiples of one another, and $frac{mathrm{d}y}{mathrm{d}x}$ is utter nonsense.



                Differentials are still very useful in such a setting, though, although the "usual" approach tends to neglect them.



                There is a notion called a "partial derivative", often given similar notation $frac{partial y}{partial x}$, but it really doesn't pay to treat it like a fraction, and there isn't really a corresponding notion of $partial x$.






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                  The big thing is that there is a thing called a "differential", and we can make things like $mathrm{d}y$ or $mathrm{d}f(t)$ mean one of those.



                  We can multiply differentials by functions (e.g. $x^2 mathrm{d}x$), and we can add differentials, and these operations will behave like you expect them to.



                  Don't try to multiply two differentials, though: the right way to do that probably does not behave like you expect them to.



                  $mathrm{d}$ satisfies the 'laws' of differentiation; e.g. $mathrm{d}f(t) = f'(t) mathrm{d}t$ and $mathrm{d}(xy) = x mathrm{d}y + y mathrm{d}x$.



                  Don't try to differentiate a differential either; the usual way to do that again doesn't behave how you expect, and is probably unrelated to what you wanted to do anyways.



                  Anyways, if you have an equation like $mathrm{d}y = 2x mathrm{d}x$ (e.g. by applying $mathrm{d}$ to the equation $y = x^2$) and $mathrm{d}x$ is "nonzero" in a suitable sense, then it makes sense to define $frac{mathrm{d}y}{mathrm{d}x}$ to mean the ratio between the differentials.



                  Single variable calculus is peculiar in that all of the variables and expressions you work with will have differentials that are multiples of one another. This isn't true in general; e.g. if $x$ and $y$ are independent, then $mathrm{d}x$ and $mathrm{d}y$ are not multiples of one another, and $frac{mathrm{d}y}{mathrm{d}x}$ is utter nonsense.



                  Differentials are still very useful in such a setting, though, although the "usual" approach tends to neglect them.



                  There is a notion called a "partial derivative", often given similar notation $frac{partial y}{partial x}$, but it really doesn't pay to treat it like a fraction, and there isn't really a corresponding notion of $partial x$.






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                    $begingroup$

                    The big thing is that there is a thing called a "differential", and we can make things like $mathrm{d}y$ or $mathrm{d}f(t)$ mean one of those.



                    We can multiply differentials by functions (e.g. $x^2 mathrm{d}x$), and we can add differentials, and these operations will behave like you expect them to.



                    Don't try to multiply two differentials, though: the right way to do that probably does not behave like you expect them to.



                    $mathrm{d}$ satisfies the 'laws' of differentiation; e.g. $mathrm{d}f(t) = f'(t) mathrm{d}t$ and $mathrm{d}(xy) = x mathrm{d}y + y mathrm{d}x$.



                    Don't try to differentiate a differential either; the usual way to do that again doesn't behave how you expect, and is probably unrelated to what you wanted to do anyways.



                    Anyways, if you have an equation like $mathrm{d}y = 2x mathrm{d}x$ (e.g. by applying $mathrm{d}$ to the equation $y = x^2$) and $mathrm{d}x$ is "nonzero" in a suitable sense, then it makes sense to define $frac{mathrm{d}y}{mathrm{d}x}$ to mean the ratio between the differentials.



                    Single variable calculus is peculiar in that all of the variables and expressions you work with will have differentials that are multiples of one another. This isn't true in general; e.g. if $x$ and $y$ are independent, then $mathrm{d}x$ and $mathrm{d}y$ are not multiples of one another, and $frac{mathrm{d}y}{mathrm{d}x}$ is utter nonsense.



                    Differentials are still very useful in such a setting, though, although the "usual" approach tends to neglect them.



                    There is a notion called a "partial derivative", often given similar notation $frac{partial y}{partial x}$, but it really doesn't pay to treat it like a fraction, and there isn't really a corresponding notion of $partial x$.






                    share|cite|improve this answer









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                    The big thing is that there is a thing called a "differential", and we can make things like $mathrm{d}y$ or $mathrm{d}f(t)$ mean one of those.



                    We can multiply differentials by functions (e.g. $x^2 mathrm{d}x$), and we can add differentials, and these operations will behave like you expect them to.



                    Don't try to multiply two differentials, though: the right way to do that probably does not behave like you expect them to.



                    $mathrm{d}$ satisfies the 'laws' of differentiation; e.g. $mathrm{d}f(t) = f'(t) mathrm{d}t$ and $mathrm{d}(xy) = x mathrm{d}y + y mathrm{d}x$.



                    Don't try to differentiate a differential either; the usual way to do that again doesn't behave how you expect, and is probably unrelated to what you wanted to do anyways.



                    Anyways, if you have an equation like $mathrm{d}y = 2x mathrm{d}x$ (e.g. by applying $mathrm{d}$ to the equation $y = x^2$) and $mathrm{d}x$ is "nonzero" in a suitable sense, then it makes sense to define $frac{mathrm{d}y}{mathrm{d}x}$ to mean the ratio between the differentials.



                    Single variable calculus is peculiar in that all of the variables and expressions you work with will have differentials that are multiples of one another. This isn't true in general; e.g. if $x$ and $y$ are independent, then $mathrm{d}x$ and $mathrm{d}y$ are not multiples of one another, and $frac{mathrm{d}y}{mathrm{d}x}$ is utter nonsense.



                    Differentials are still very useful in such a setting, though, although the "usual" approach tends to neglect them.



                    There is a notion called a "partial derivative", often given similar notation $frac{partial y}{partial x}$, but it really doesn't pay to treat it like a fraction, and there isn't really a corresponding notion of $partial x$.







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                        In single-variable calculus, I am not aware of a single instance of getting incorrect results by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio. This is why in fact there are so few mistakes in Leibniz who did treat it as a ratio. However, there are certainly times when you should not treat it as a ratio. You shouldn't do that at the time of the exams in the course, because the instructor's reaction will surely be to take off points.






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                          In single-variable calculus, I am not aware of a single instance of getting incorrect results by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio. This is why in fact there are so few mistakes in Leibniz who did treat it as a ratio. However, there are certainly times when you should not treat it as a ratio. You shouldn't do that at the time of the exams in the course, because the instructor's reaction will surely be to take off points.






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                            In single-variable calculus, I am not aware of a single instance of getting incorrect results by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio. This is why in fact there are so few mistakes in Leibniz who did treat it as a ratio. However, there are certainly times when you should not treat it as a ratio. You shouldn't do that at the time of the exams in the course, because the instructor's reaction will surely be to take off points.






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                            In single-variable calculus, I am not aware of a single instance of getting incorrect results by treating $frac{dy}{dx}$ as a ratio. This is why in fact there are so few mistakes in Leibniz who did treat it as a ratio. However, there are certainly times when you should not treat it as a ratio. You shouldn't do that at the time of the exams in the course, because the instructor's reaction will surely be to take off points.







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