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I am trying to see what is the simplest way to calculate the definite integral of a function of the form



$$f(x) = min(sin(x), sin(2x))$$



I can of course check when $sin(x)<sin(2x)$ and combine the definite integrals for each section. I can imagine how I would do this when $x$ is in units of $2pi$, as I can just multiply the result for the first period. But let's say $x=6.5pi$, would the correct approach be to have the simplified calculation for the first $6pi$ and then for the remaining section separately?






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    Visualisation: $f$ is periodic with period $2pi$.
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I am trying to see what is the simplest way to calculate the definite integral of a function of the form



$$f(x) = min(sin(x), sin(2x))$$



I can of course check when $sin(x)<sin(2x)$ and combine the definite integrals for each section. I can imagine how I would do this when $x$ is in units of $2pi$, as I can just multiply the result for the first period. But let's say $x=6.5pi$, would the correct approach be to have the simplified calculation for the first $6pi$ and then for the remaining section separately?






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    Visualisation: $f$ is periodic with period $2pi$.
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I am trying to see what is the simplest way to calculate the definite integral of a function of the form



$$f(x) = min(sin(x), sin(2x))$$



I can of course check when $sin(x)<sin(2x)$ and combine the definite integrals for each section. I can imagine how I would do this when $x$ is in units of $2pi$, as I can just multiply the result for the first period. But let's say $x=6.5pi$, would the correct approach be to have the simplified calculation for the first $6pi$ and then for the remaining section separately?






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I am trying to see what is the simplest way to calculate the definite integral of a function of the form



$$f(x) = min(sin(x), sin(2x))$$



I can of course check when $sin(x)<sin(2x)$ and combine the definite integrals for each section. I can imagine how I would do this when $x$ is in units of $2pi$, as I can just multiply the result for the first period. But let's say $x=6.5pi$, would the correct approach be to have the simplified calculation for the first $6pi$ and then for the remaining section separately?






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    Visualisation: $f$ is periodic with period $2pi$.
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    Visualisation: $f$ is periodic with period $2pi$.
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Visualisation: $f$ is periodic with period $2pi$.
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Hint. Use the fact that
$$
begin{align}min(sin(x),sin(2x))&=frac{1}{2}left(sin(x)+sin(2x)-|sin(x)-sin(2x)|right).
end{align}$$
Hence if we integrate over a period,
$$begin{align}
int_0^{2pi}min(sin(x),sin(2x)),dx&=
-frac{1}{2}int_0^{2pi}|sin(x)-sin(2x)|,dx\
&=-int_0^{pi}|sin(x)-sin(2x)|,dx\
&=int_0^{pi/3}(sin(x)-sin(2x)),dx\
&quad-int_{pi/3}^pi(sin(x)-sin(2x)),dx
end{align}$$






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    That the absolute value of sin(x) can be integrated more simply? I thought this was just passing the problem on to somewhere else, but you're right this way it simplifies the integration because I can use sgn() instead.
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$$f(x)=sin2x-sin x=2sindfrac x2cosdfrac{3x}2$$



As the $f(x+2pi)=f(x)$



we can safely focus on $0le xle2pi$ where $sindfrac x2not<0$



$f(x)$ will be $>0$



if $cosdfrac{3x}2>0$



$(i)0<dfrac{3x}2<dfracpi2$ or $(ii)dfrac{3pi}2<dfrac{3x}2<2pi$



$(i)0<x<dfracpi3$ or $(ii)pi<x<dfrac{4pi}3$



Consequently, $displaystyleint_0^{2pi}$min$(sin x,sin2x) dx$



$$=int_0^{pi/3}sin x dx+int_{pi/3}^pisin2x dx+int_pi^{4pi/3}sin x dx+int_{4pi/3}^{2pi }sin2x dx=?$$






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    Hint. Use the fact that
    $$
    begin{align}min(sin(x),sin(2x))&=frac{1}{2}left(sin(x)+sin(2x)-|sin(x)-sin(2x)|right).
    end{align}$$
    Hence if we integrate over a period,
    $$begin{align}
    int_0^{2pi}min(sin(x),sin(2x)),dx&=
    -frac{1}{2}int_0^{2pi}|sin(x)-sin(2x)|,dx\
    &=-int_0^{pi}|sin(x)-sin(2x)|,dx\
    &=int_0^{pi/3}(sin(x)-sin(2x)),dx\
    &quad-int_{pi/3}^pi(sin(x)-sin(2x)),dx
    end{align}$$






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      That the absolute value of sin(x) can be integrated more simply? I thought this was just passing the problem on to somewhere else, but you're right this way it simplifies the integration because I can use sgn() instead.
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      Dec 27 '18 at 8:41
















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    $begingroup$

    Hint. Use the fact that
    $$
    begin{align}min(sin(x),sin(2x))&=frac{1}{2}left(sin(x)+sin(2x)-|sin(x)-sin(2x)|right).
    end{align}$$
    Hence if we integrate over a period,
    $$begin{align}
    int_0^{2pi}min(sin(x),sin(2x)),dx&=
    -frac{1}{2}int_0^{2pi}|sin(x)-sin(2x)|,dx\
    &=-int_0^{pi}|sin(x)-sin(2x)|,dx\
    &=int_0^{pi/3}(sin(x)-sin(2x)),dx\
    &quad-int_{pi/3}^pi(sin(x)-sin(2x)),dx
    end{align}$$






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      That the absolute value of sin(x) can be integrated more simply? I thought this was just passing the problem on to somewhere else, but you're right this way it simplifies the integration because I can use sgn() instead.
      $endgroup$
      – Caharpuka
      Dec 27 '18 at 8:41














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    $begingroup$

    Hint. Use the fact that
    $$
    begin{align}min(sin(x),sin(2x))&=frac{1}{2}left(sin(x)+sin(2x)-|sin(x)-sin(2x)|right).
    end{align}$$
    Hence if we integrate over a period,
    $$begin{align}
    int_0^{2pi}min(sin(x),sin(2x)),dx&=
    -frac{1}{2}int_0^{2pi}|sin(x)-sin(2x)|,dx\
    &=-int_0^{pi}|sin(x)-sin(2x)|,dx\
    &=int_0^{pi/3}(sin(x)-sin(2x)),dx\
    &quad-int_{pi/3}^pi(sin(x)-sin(2x)),dx
    end{align}$$






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    Hint. Use the fact that
    $$
    begin{align}min(sin(x),sin(2x))&=frac{1}{2}left(sin(x)+sin(2x)-|sin(x)-sin(2x)|right).
    end{align}$$
    Hence if we integrate over a period,
    $$begin{align}
    int_0^{2pi}min(sin(x),sin(2x)),dx&=
    -frac{1}{2}int_0^{2pi}|sin(x)-sin(2x)|,dx\
    &=-int_0^{pi}|sin(x)-sin(2x)|,dx\
    &=int_0^{pi/3}(sin(x)-sin(2x)),dx\
    &quad-int_{pi/3}^pi(sin(x)-sin(2x)),dx
    end{align}$$







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      That the absolute value of sin(x) can be integrated more simply? I thought this was just passing the problem on to somewhere else, but you're right this way it simplifies the integration because I can use sgn() instead.
      $endgroup$
      – Caharpuka
      Dec 27 '18 at 8:41


















    • $begingroup$
      That the absolute value of sin(x) can be integrated more simply? I thought this was just passing the problem on to somewhere else, but you're right this way it simplifies the integration because I can use sgn() instead.
      $endgroup$
      – Caharpuka
      Dec 27 '18 at 8:41
















    $begingroup$
    That the absolute value of sin(x) can be integrated more simply? I thought this was just passing the problem on to somewhere else, but you're right this way it simplifies the integration because I can use sgn() instead.
    $endgroup$
    – Caharpuka
    Dec 27 '18 at 8:41




    $begingroup$
    That the absolute value of sin(x) can be integrated more simply? I thought this was just passing the problem on to somewhere else, but you're right this way it simplifies the integration because I can use sgn() instead.
    $endgroup$
    – Caharpuka
    Dec 27 '18 at 8:41











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    $$f(x)=sin2x-sin x=2sindfrac x2cosdfrac{3x}2$$



    As the $f(x+2pi)=f(x)$



    we can safely focus on $0le xle2pi$ where $sindfrac x2not<0$



    $f(x)$ will be $>0$



    if $cosdfrac{3x}2>0$



    $(i)0<dfrac{3x}2<dfracpi2$ or $(ii)dfrac{3pi}2<dfrac{3x}2<2pi$



    $(i)0<x<dfracpi3$ or $(ii)pi<x<dfrac{4pi}3$



    Consequently, $displaystyleint_0^{2pi}$min$(sin x,sin2x) dx$



    $$=int_0^{pi/3}sin x dx+int_{pi/3}^pisin2x dx+int_pi^{4pi/3}sin x dx+int_{4pi/3}^{2pi }sin2x dx=?$$






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      $begingroup$

      $$f(x)=sin2x-sin x=2sindfrac x2cosdfrac{3x}2$$



      As the $f(x+2pi)=f(x)$



      we can safely focus on $0le xle2pi$ where $sindfrac x2not<0$



      $f(x)$ will be $>0$



      if $cosdfrac{3x}2>0$



      $(i)0<dfrac{3x}2<dfracpi2$ or $(ii)dfrac{3pi}2<dfrac{3x}2<2pi$



      $(i)0<x<dfracpi3$ or $(ii)pi<x<dfrac{4pi}3$



      Consequently, $displaystyleint_0^{2pi}$min$(sin x,sin2x) dx$



      $$=int_0^{pi/3}sin x dx+int_{pi/3}^pisin2x dx+int_pi^{4pi/3}sin x dx+int_{4pi/3}^{2pi }sin2x dx=?$$






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        $$f(x)=sin2x-sin x=2sindfrac x2cosdfrac{3x}2$$



        As the $f(x+2pi)=f(x)$



        we can safely focus on $0le xle2pi$ where $sindfrac x2not<0$



        $f(x)$ will be $>0$



        if $cosdfrac{3x}2>0$



        $(i)0<dfrac{3x}2<dfracpi2$ or $(ii)dfrac{3pi}2<dfrac{3x}2<2pi$



        $(i)0<x<dfracpi3$ or $(ii)pi<x<dfrac{4pi}3$



        Consequently, $displaystyleint_0^{2pi}$min$(sin x,sin2x) dx$



        $$=int_0^{pi/3}sin x dx+int_{pi/3}^pisin2x dx+int_pi^{4pi/3}sin x dx+int_{4pi/3}^{2pi }sin2x dx=?$$






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        $$f(x)=sin2x-sin x=2sindfrac x2cosdfrac{3x}2$$



        As the $f(x+2pi)=f(x)$



        we can safely focus on $0le xle2pi$ where $sindfrac x2not<0$



        $f(x)$ will be $>0$



        if $cosdfrac{3x}2>0$



        $(i)0<dfrac{3x}2<dfracpi2$ or $(ii)dfrac{3pi}2<dfrac{3x}2<2pi$



        $(i)0<x<dfracpi3$ or $(ii)pi<x<dfrac{4pi}3$



        Consequently, $displaystyleint_0^{2pi}$min$(sin x,sin2x) dx$



        $$=int_0^{pi/3}sin x dx+int_{pi/3}^pisin2x dx+int_pi^{4pi/3}sin x dx+int_{4pi/3}^{2pi }sin2x dx=?$$







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