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There are many ways to define the Riemann Integral. I am using this one, where I denote $sigma(f,P^{*})$ the Riemann Sum relative to a tagged partition $P^{*}$:



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We say that a function $f:[a,b] to mathbb{R}$ is Riemann-Integrable if exist the limit:



$I=lim_{||P|| to 0} sigma(f,P^{*})$



and then we write $I=int_{a}^{b}f(x)dx$.



The limit exist in the sense that given $epsilon > 0$, there is $delta > 0$ such that for any partition $P$ of $[a,b]$ with $||P|| < delta$ and for any tagged partition $P^{*}$, we have:



$$|sigma(f,P^{*}) - I| < epsilon$$



By definition, if $f$ is integrable in $[a.b]$, then given $epsilon < 0 $ exists two tagged partition $P^{*}$ and $P^{**}$ such that:



$$|sigma(f,P^{*}) - I| < epsilon / 2$$



$$|sigma(f,P^{**}) - I| < epsilon / 2$$



hence, $|sigma(f,P^{*}) - sigma(f,P^{**})| < epsilon$. Therefore, is a necessary condition for integrability that one can find a partition $P$ such that two Riemann Sums relative to $P$ are very close together, no matter what the scalars that we pick in $P^{*}$ and $P^{**}$.



I am pretty sure that this is a sufficient condition as well. But I have any ideas how to prove it. Can anyone help with this?










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    It seems valid since one can choose a Riemann sum arbitrarily close to a Darboux sum.
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There are many ways to define the Riemann Integral. I am using this one, where I denote $sigma(f,P^{*})$ the Riemann Sum relative to a tagged partition $P^{*}$:



$textbf{Definition}$



We say that a function $f:[a,b] to mathbb{R}$ is Riemann-Integrable if exist the limit:



$I=lim_{||P|| to 0} sigma(f,P^{*})$



and then we write $I=int_{a}^{b}f(x)dx$.



The limit exist in the sense that given $epsilon > 0$, there is $delta > 0$ such that for any partition $P$ of $[a,b]$ with $||P|| < delta$ and for any tagged partition $P^{*}$, we have:



$$|sigma(f,P^{*}) - I| < epsilon$$



By definition, if $f$ is integrable in $[a.b]$, then given $epsilon < 0 $ exists two tagged partition $P^{*}$ and $P^{**}$ such that:



$$|sigma(f,P^{*}) - I| < epsilon / 2$$



$$|sigma(f,P^{**}) - I| < epsilon / 2$$



hence, $|sigma(f,P^{*}) - sigma(f,P^{**})| < epsilon$. Therefore, is a necessary condition for integrability that one can find a partition $P$ such that two Riemann Sums relative to $P$ are very close together, no matter what the scalars that we pick in $P^{*}$ and $P^{**}$.



I am pretty sure that this is a sufficient condition as well. But I have any ideas how to prove it. Can anyone help with this?










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    It seems valid since one can choose a Riemann sum arbitrarily close to a Darboux sum.
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There are many ways to define the Riemann Integral. I am using this one, where I denote $sigma(f,P^{*})$ the Riemann Sum relative to a tagged partition $P^{*}$:



$textbf{Definition}$



We say that a function $f:[a,b] to mathbb{R}$ is Riemann-Integrable if exist the limit:



$I=lim_{||P|| to 0} sigma(f,P^{*})$



and then we write $I=int_{a}^{b}f(x)dx$.



The limit exist in the sense that given $epsilon > 0$, there is $delta > 0$ such that for any partition $P$ of $[a,b]$ with $||P|| < delta$ and for any tagged partition $P^{*}$, we have:



$$|sigma(f,P^{*}) - I| < epsilon$$



By definition, if $f$ is integrable in $[a.b]$, then given $epsilon < 0 $ exists two tagged partition $P^{*}$ and $P^{**}$ such that:



$$|sigma(f,P^{*}) - I| < epsilon / 2$$



$$|sigma(f,P^{**}) - I| < epsilon / 2$$



hence, $|sigma(f,P^{*}) - sigma(f,P^{**})| < epsilon$. Therefore, is a necessary condition for integrability that one can find a partition $P$ such that two Riemann Sums relative to $P$ are very close together, no matter what the scalars that we pick in $P^{*}$ and $P^{**}$.



I am pretty sure that this is a sufficient condition as well. But I have any ideas how to prove it. Can anyone help with this?










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There are many ways to define the Riemann Integral. I am using this one, where I denote $sigma(f,P^{*})$ the Riemann Sum relative to a tagged partition $P^{*}$:



$textbf{Definition}$



We say that a function $f:[a,b] to mathbb{R}$ is Riemann-Integrable if exist the limit:



$I=lim_{||P|| to 0} sigma(f,P^{*})$



and then we write $I=int_{a}^{b}f(x)dx$.



The limit exist in the sense that given $epsilon > 0$, there is $delta > 0$ such that for any partition $P$ of $[a,b]$ with $||P|| < delta$ and for any tagged partition $P^{*}$, we have:



$$|sigma(f,P^{*}) - I| < epsilon$$



By definition, if $f$ is integrable in $[a.b]$, then given $epsilon < 0 $ exists two tagged partition $P^{*}$ and $P^{**}$ such that:



$$|sigma(f,P^{*}) - I| < epsilon / 2$$



$$|sigma(f,P^{**}) - I| < epsilon / 2$$



hence, $|sigma(f,P^{*}) - sigma(f,P^{**})| < epsilon$. Therefore, is a necessary condition for integrability that one can find a partition $P$ such that two Riemann Sums relative to $P$ are very close together, no matter what the scalars that we pick in $P^{*}$ and $P^{**}$.



I am pretty sure that this is a sufficient condition as well. But I have any ideas how to prove it. Can anyone help with this?







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    It seems valid since one can choose a Riemann sum arbitrarily close to a Darboux sum.
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    It seems valid since one can choose a Riemann sum arbitrarily close to a Darboux sum.
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    – Tony Piccolo
    Nov 24 '18 at 6:58
















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It seems valid since one can choose a Riemann sum arbitrarily close to a Darboux sum.
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There is such a sufficient (Cauchy) condition. The correct statement is:




Suppose for any $epsilon > 0$ there exists $delta > 0$ such that
$|sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P')| < epsilon$ for all partitions $P$ and
$P'$ with $|P|, , |P'| < delta$ and for any choice of tags.
Then $f$ is Riemann integrable.




In proving this one must first show the existence of a viable candidate for the value of the integral and then show that it satisfies the required definition.



First -- and I will leave this to you for now -- construct a decreasing sequence of positive numbers $delta_n$ and partitions $P_n$ with $|P_n| < delta_n$ such that for any partition $P$ with $|P| < delta_n$ we have (for any choice of tags)



$$|sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P_n)| < 1/n$$



Hence, if $m geqslant n$ then $|sigma(f,P_m) - sigma(f,P_n)| < 1/n$. The sequence $sigma(f,P_n)$ is a Cauchy sequence and must converge to a real number $I$.



To show that $I$ satisfies the definition of the integral $int_a^b f(x) , dx$, for any $epsilon >0$ take $n$ such that $1/n < epsilon/2$ and sufficiently large such that $|sigma(f,P_n) - I| < epsilon/2$. If $P$ is a partition with $|P| < delta_n$, then it follows that



$$|sigma(f,P) - I| leqslant |sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P_n)| + |sigma(f,P_n) - I| < 1/n + epsilon/2 < epsilon $$






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    Your claim is founded.



    For convenence I rewrite the statement.




    Let $f:[a,b] to mathbb{R}$ be a bounded function.

    If for every $varepsilon>0$ there exists a partition $P$ of $[a,b]$ such that $|sigma (f,P^*)- sigma (f,P^{**})|<varepsilon$ for any Riemann sums $sigma (f,P^*)$ and $sigma (f,P^{**})$ for $f$ corresponding to $P$, then there exists $I=lim_{|P| to 0} sigma (f,P^*)$, the limit being independent of the tags of $P$.




    If we choose the tags conveniently using the definitions of sup and inf, we get $$S(f,P)-s(f,P)<varepsilon$$ for some $P$.



    So the arbitrariness of $,varepsilon,$ gives $$S(f)=s(f)$$ That is the number $I$ we are searching for since $$S(f)=lim_{|P| to 0} S(f,P)$$ $$s(f)=lim_{|P| to 0} s(f,P)$$ and $$s(f,P) le sigma (f,P^*) le S(f,P)$$ for every $P$ however tagged.






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      There is such a sufficient (Cauchy) condition. The correct statement is:




      Suppose for any $epsilon > 0$ there exists $delta > 0$ such that
      $|sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P')| < epsilon$ for all partitions $P$ and
      $P'$ with $|P|, , |P'| < delta$ and for any choice of tags.
      Then $f$ is Riemann integrable.




      In proving this one must first show the existence of a viable candidate for the value of the integral and then show that it satisfies the required definition.



      First -- and I will leave this to you for now -- construct a decreasing sequence of positive numbers $delta_n$ and partitions $P_n$ with $|P_n| < delta_n$ such that for any partition $P$ with $|P| < delta_n$ we have (for any choice of tags)



      $$|sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P_n)| < 1/n$$



      Hence, if $m geqslant n$ then $|sigma(f,P_m) - sigma(f,P_n)| < 1/n$. The sequence $sigma(f,P_n)$ is a Cauchy sequence and must converge to a real number $I$.



      To show that $I$ satisfies the definition of the integral $int_a^b f(x) , dx$, for any $epsilon >0$ take $n$ such that $1/n < epsilon/2$ and sufficiently large such that $|sigma(f,P_n) - I| < epsilon/2$. If $P$ is a partition with $|P| < delta_n$, then it follows that



      $$|sigma(f,P) - I| leqslant |sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P_n)| + |sigma(f,P_n) - I| < 1/n + epsilon/2 < epsilon $$






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        There is such a sufficient (Cauchy) condition. The correct statement is:




        Suppose for any $epsilon > 0$ there exists $delta > 0$ such that
        $|sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P')| < epsilon$ for all partitions $P$ and
        $P'$ with $|P|, , |P'| < delta$ and for any choice of tags.
        Then $f$ is Riemann integrable.




        In proving this one must first show the existence of a viable candidate for the value of the integral and then show that it satisfies the required definition.



        First -- and I will leave this to you for now -- construct a decreasing sequence of positive numbers $delta_n$ and partitions $P_n$ with $|P_n| < delta_n$ such that for any partition $P$ with $|P| < delta_n$ we have (for any choice of tags)



        $$|sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P_n)| < 1/n$$



        Hence, if $m geqslant n$ then $|sigma(f,P_m) - sigma(f,P_n)| < 1/n$. The sequence $sigma(f,P_n)$ is a Cauchy sequence and must converge to a real number $I$.



        To show that $I$ satisfies the definition of the integral $int_a^b f(x) , dx$, for any $epsilon >0$ take $n$ such that $1/n < epsilon/2$ and sufficiently large such that $|sigma(f,P_n) - I| < epsilon/2$. If $P$ is a partition with $|P| < delta_n$, then it follows that



        $$|sigma(f,P) - I| leqslant |sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P_n)| + |sigma(f,P_n) - I| < 1/n + epsilon/2 < epsilon $$






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          There is such a sufficient (Cauchy) condition. The correct statement is:




          Suppose for any $epsilon > 0$ there exists $delta > 0$ such that
          $|sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P')| < epsilon$ for all partitions $P$ and
          $P'$ with $|P|, , |P'| < delta$ and for any choice of tags.
          Then $f$ is Riemann integrable.




          In proving this one must first show the existence of a viable candidate for the value of the integral and then show that it satisfies the required definition.



          First -- and I will leave this to you for now -- construct a decreasing sequence of positive numbers $delta_n$ and partitions $P_n$ with $|P_n| < delta_n$ such that for any partition $P$ with $|P| < delta_n$ we have (for any choice of tags)



          $$|sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P_n)| < 1/n$$



          Hence, if $m geqslant n$ then $|sigma(f,P_m) - sigma(f,P_n)| < 1/n$. The sequence $sigma(f,P_n)$ is a Cauchy sequence and must converge to a real number $I$.



          To show that $I$ satisfies the definition of the integral $int_a^b f(x) , dx$, for any $epsilon >0$ take $n$ such that $1/n < epsilon/2$ and sufficiently large such that $|sigma(f,P_n) - I| < epsilon/2$. If $P$ is a partition with $|P| < delta_n$, then it follows that



          $$|sigma(f,P) - I| leqslant |sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P_n)| + |sigma(f,P_n) - I| < 1/n + epsilon/2 < epsilon $$






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          There is such a sufficient (Cauchy) condition. The correct statement is:




          Suppose for any $epsilon > 0$ there exists $delta > 0$ such that
          $|sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P')| < epsilon$ for all partitions $P$ and
          $P'$ with $|P|, , |P'| < delta$ and for any choice of tags.
          Then $f$ is Riemann integrable.




          In proving this one must first show the existence of a viable candidate for the value of the integral and then show that it satisfies the required definition.



          First -- and I will leave this to you for now -- construct a decreasing sequence of positive numbers $delta_n$ and partitions $P_n$ with $|P_n| < delta_n$ such that for any partition $P$ with $|P| < delta_n$ we have (for any choice of tags)



          $$|sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P_n)| < 1/n$$



          Hence, if $m geqslant n$ then $|sigma(f,P_m) - sigma(f,P_n)| < 1/n$. The sequence $sigma(f,P_n)$ is a Cauchy sequence and must converge to a real number $I$.



          To show that $I$ satisfies the definition of the integral $int_a^b f(x) , dx$, for any $epsilon >0$ take $n$ such that $1/n < epsilon/2$ and sufficiently large such that $|sigma(f,P_n) - I| < epsilon/2$. If $P$ is a partition with $|P| < delta_n$, then it follows that



          $$|sigma(f,P) - I| leqslant |sigma(f,P) - sigma(f,P_n)| + |sigma(f,P_n) - I| < 1/n + epsilon/2 < epsilon $$







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              Your claim is founded.



              For convenence I rewrite the statement.




              Let $f:[a,b] to mathbb{R}$ be a bounded function.

              If for every $varepsilon>0$ there exists a partition $P$ of $[a,b]$ such that $|sigma (f,P^*)- sigma (f,P^{**})|<varepsilon$ for any Riemann sums $sigma (f,P^*)$ and $sigma (f,P^{**})$ for $f$ corresponding to $P$, then there exists $I=lim_{|P| to 0} sigma (f,P^*)$, the limit being independent of the tags of $P$.




              If we choose the tags conveniently using the definitions of sup and inf, we get $$S(f,P)-s(f,P)<varepsilon$$ for some $P$.



              So the arbitrariness of $,varepsilon,$ gives $$S(f)=s(f)$$ That is the number $I$ we are searching for since $$S(f)=lim_{|P| to 0} S(f,P)$$ $$s(f)=lim_{|P| to 0} s(f,P)$$ and $$s(f,P) le sigma (f,P^*) le S(f,P)$$ for every $P$ however tagged.






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                Your claim is founded.



                For convenence I rewrite the statement.




                Let $f:[a,b] to mathbb{R}$ be a bounded function.

                If for every $varepsilon>0$ there exists a partition $P$ of $[a,b]$ such that $|sigma (f,P^*)- sigma (f,P^{**})|<varepsilon$ for any Riemann sums $sigma (f,P^*)$ and $sigma (f,P^{**})$ for $f$ corresponding to $P$, then there exists $I=lim_{|P| to 0} sigma (f,P^*)$, the limit being independent of the tags of $P$.




                If we choose the tags conveniently using the definitions of sup and inf, we get $$S(f,P)-s(f,P)<varepsilon$$ for some $P$.



                So the arbitrariness of $,varepsilon,$ gives $$S(f)=s(f)$$ That is the number $I$ we are searching for since $$S(f)=lim_{|P| to 0} S(f,P)$$ $$s(f)=lim_{|P| to 0} s(f,P)$$ and $$s(f,P) le sigma (f,P^*) le S(f,P)$$ for every $P$ however tagged.






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                  Your claim is founded.



                  For convenence I rewrite the statement.




                  Let $f:[a,b] to mathbb{R}$ be a bounded function.

                  If for every $varepsilon>0$ there exists a partition $P$ of $[a,b]$ such that $|sigma (f,P^*)- sigma (f,P^{**})|<varepsilon$ for any Riemann sums $sigma (f,P^*)$ and $sigma (f,P^{**})$ for $f$ corresponding to $P$, then there exists $I=lim_{|P| to 0} sigma (f,P^*)$, the limit being independent of the tags of $P$.




                  If we choose the tags conveniently using the definitions of sup and inf, we get $$S(f,P)-s(f,P)<varepsilon$$ for some $P$.



                  So the arbitrariness of $,varepsilon,$ gives $$S(f)=s(f)$$ That is the number $I$ we are searching for since $$S(f)=lim_{|P| to 0} S(f,P)$$ $$s(f)=lim_{|P| to 0} s(f,P)$$ and $$s(f,P) le sigma (f,P^*) le S(f,P)$$ for every $P$ however tagged.






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                  Your claim is founded.



                  For convenence I rewrite the statement.




                  Let $f:[a,b] to mathbb{R}$ be a bounded function.

                  If for every $varepsilon>0$ there exists a partition $P$ of $[a,b]$ such that $|sigma (f,P^*)- sigma (f,P^{**})|<varepsilon$ for any Riemann sums $sigma (f,P^*)$ and $sigma (f,P^{**})$ for $f$ corresponding to $P$, then there exists $I=lim_{|P| to 0} sigma (f,P^*)$, the limit being independent of the tags of $P$.




                  If we choose the tags conveniently using the definitions of sup and inf, we get $$S(f,P)-s(f,P)<varepsilon$$ for some $P$.



                  So the arbitrariness of $,varepsilon,$ gives $$S(f)=s(f)$$ That is the number $I$ we are searching for since $$S(f)=lim_{|P| to 0} S(f,P)$$ $$s(f)=lim_{|P| to 0} s(f,P)$$ and $$s(f,P) le sigma (f,P^*) le S(f,P)$$ for every $P$ however tagged.







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