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I can't get the text answer using standard method of integration of a polar equation. Yet when I use a symmetry method I do get their answer. Can you assist in clarification?



Find the area of the region enclosed by $r=4cos(3 theta)$.



I use $ frac 12 int_0^{2pi} (16cos^2(3theta) dtheta$. For $cos^2(3theta)$ I use the identity $frac12[1+cos(6theta)]$



This gives me $frac{16}{4} int_0^{2pi} 1+cos(6theta) dtheta$.



This gives me $4[int_0^{2pi}1 dtheta +frac16int_0^{12pi} cos (u) du]$.



The integral of the cosine term is $0$, so I get $theta $ evaluated from $0$ to $2pi$. This gives me $4(2pi)=8pi$.



When I use a symmetrical method A=$6int_0^{pi/6}frac12(16 cos^2(3theta)dtheta$ I get $4pi$. This is the text answer.



Don't understand why my 2 answers don't match.










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    I can't get the text answer using standard method of integration of a polar equation. Yet when I use a symmetry method I do get their answer. Can you assist in clarification?



    Find the area of the region enclosed by $r=4cos(3 theta)$.



    I use $ frac 12 int_0^{2pi} (16cos^2(3theta) dtheta$. For $cos^2(3theta)$ I use the identity $frac12[1+cos(6theta)]$



    This gives me $frac{16}{4} int_0^{2pi} 1+cos(6theta) dtheta$.



    This gives me $4[int_0^{2pi}1 dtheta +frac16int_0^{12pi} cos (u) du]$.



    The integral of the cosine term is $0$, so I get $theta $ evaluated from $0$ to $2pi$. This gives me $4(2pi)=8pi$.



    When I use a symmetrical method A=$6int_0^{pi/6}frac12(16 cos^2(3theta)dtheta$ I get $4pi$. This is the text answer.



    Don't understand why my 2 answers don't match.










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      I can't get the text answer using standard method of integration of a polar equation. Yet when I use a symmetry method I do get their answer. Can you assist in clarification?



      Find the area of the region enclosed by $r=4cos(3 theta)$.



      I use $ frac 12 int_0^{2pi} (16cos^2(3theta) dtheta$. For $cos^2(3theta)$ I use the identity $frac12[1+cos(6theta)]$



      This gives me $frac{16}{4} int_0^{2pi} 1+cos(6theta) dtheta$.



      This gives me $4[int_0^{2pi}1 dtheta +frac16int_0^{12pi} cos (u) du]$.



      The integral of the cosine term is $0$, so I get $theta $ evaluated from $0$ to $2pi$. This gives me $4(2pi)=8pi$.



      When I use a symmetrical method A=$6int_0^{pi/6}frac12(16 cos^2(3theta)dtheta$ I get $4pi$. This is the text answer.



      Don't understand why my 2 answers don't match.










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      I can't get the text answer using standard method of integration of a polar equation. Yet when I use a symmetry method I do get their answer. Can you assist in clarification?



      Find the area of the region enclosed by $r=4cos(3 theta)$.



      I use $ frac 12 int_0^{2pi} (16cos^2(3theta) dtheta$. For $cos^2(3theta)$ I use the identity $frac12[1+cos(6theta)]$



      This gives me $frac{16}{4} int_0^{2pi} 1+cos(6theta) dtheta$.



      This gives me $4[int_0^{2pi}1 dtheta +frac16int_0^{12pi} cos (u) du]$.



      The integral of the cosine term is $0$, so I get $theta $ evaluated from $0$ to $2pi$. This gives me $4(2pi)=8pi$.



      When I use a symmetrical method A=$6int_0^{pi/6}frac12(16 cos^2(3theta)dtheta$ I get $4pi$. This is the text answer.



      Don't understand why my 2 answers don't match.







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          Your first answer is twice the correct answer for the following reason: if you let $theta$ range from $theta=0$ to $theta=2pi$, the curve $r=4cos(3theta)$ — which is a flower with three petals — is traced twice, and therefore you find twice the area. If you trace it carefully starting from $theta=0$, which is $(4,0)$ in cartesian coordinates, you will see that the curve is completed and comes back to the initial point at $theta=pi$; and then, from $theta=pi$ to $theta=2pi$ you retrace it once more.



          In the second method, you find the area of a half of one petal, which you correctly determined to range from $theta=0$ to $theta=dfrac{pi}{6}$. Since there are six such half-petals, multiplying by $6$ clearly yields the correct answer. Note, however, that taking six half-petals of the same "angular width" (so to speak) as the one going from $theta=0$ to $theta=dfrac{pi}{6}$ will produce the angle six times as wide, i.e. from $theta=0$ to $theta=pi$, consistent with my explanation above.






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            Ah, I immediately see this now. How can you tell when you have a polar equation that traces out completely in $0$ to $pi$ instead of $0$ to $2pi$?
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          To provide yet another approach, you can use Green's theorem on the differential form $x ,dy$ to transform the area integral over one petal into a line integral along the petal:



          $$frac13 A = text{area of petal} = intlimits_{text{petal}},1,dA = intlimits_{text{boundary of petal}} x,dy $$



          Since $r = 4cos(3theta)$, the petal can be parameterized by
          $$(x(theta), y(theta)) = (r(theta)costheta, r(theta)sin(theta)) = (4costhetacos(3theta), 4sinthetacos(3theta))$$



          for $theta in left[-frac{pi}6, frac{pi}6right]$.



          Differentiating gives $dy = (4costhetacos(3theta) - 12sinthetasin(3theta)),dtheta$ so



          $$frac13 A = int_{-frac{pi}6}^{frac{pi}6}4costhetacos(3theta) (4costhetacos(3theta) - 12sinthetasin(3theta)),dtheta = frac{4pi}3$$



          so $A = 4pi$.



          The integral is a bit cumbersome but it can be solved using the product-to-sum formulas for sine and cosine.






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            ... and which is the wrong answer of the two.
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            @zipirovich You are right of course, thanks. I have added a completely different approach to obtain the right result.
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          $begingroup$

          Your first answer is twice the correct answer for the following reason: if you let $theta$ range from $theta=0$ to $theta=2pi$, the curve $r=4cos(3theta)$ — which is a flower with three petals — is traced twice, and therefore you find twice the area. If you trace it carefully starting from $theta=0$, which is $(4,0)$ in cartesian coordinates, you will see that the curve is completed and comes back to the initial point at $theta=pi$; and then, from $theta=pi$ to $theta=2pi$ you retrace it once more.



          In the second method, you find the area of a half of one petal, which you correctly determined to range from $theta=0$ to $theta=dfrac{pi}{6}$. Since there are six such half-petals, multiplying by $6$ clearly yields the correct answer. Note, however, that taking six half-petals of the same "angular width" (so to speak) as the one going from $theta=0$ to $theta=dfrac{pi}{6}$ will produce the angle six times as wide, i.e. from $theta=0$ to $theta=pi$, consistent with my explanation above.






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            Ah, I immediately see this now. How can you tell when you have a polar equation that traces out completely in $0$ to $pi$ instead of $0$ to $2pi$?
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          $begingroup$

          Your first answer is twice the correct answer for the following reason: if you let $theta$ range from $theta=0$ to $theta=2pi$, the curve $r=4cos(3theta)$ — which is a flower with three petals — is traced twice, and therefore you find twice the area. If you trace it carefully starting from $theta=0$, which is $(4,0)$ in cartesian coordinates, you will see that the curve is completed and comes back to the initial point at $theta=pi$; and then, from $theta=pi$ to $theta=2pi$ you retrace it once more.



          In the second method, you find the area of a half of one petal, which you correctly determined to range from $theta=0$ to $theta=dfrac{pi}{6}$. Since there are six such half-petals, multiplying by $6$ clearly yields the correct answer. Note, however, that taking six half-petals of the same "angular width" (so to speak) as the one going from $theta=0$ to $theta=dfrac{pi}{6}$ will produce the angle six times as wide, i.e. from $theta=0$ to $theta=pi$, consistent with my explanation above.






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            Ah, I immediately see this now. How can you tell when you have a polar equation that traces out completely in $0$ to $pi$ instead of $0$ to $2pi$?
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          $begingroup$

          Your first answer is twice the correct answer for the following reason: if you let $theta$ range from $theta=0$ to $theta=2pi$, the curve $r=4cos(3theta)$ — which is a flower with three petals — is traced twice, and therefore you find twice the area. If you trace it carefully starting from $theta=0$, which is $(4,0)$ in cartesian coordinates, you will see that the curve is completed and comes back to the initial point at $theta=pi$; and then, from $theta=pi$ to $theta=2pi$ you retrace it once more.



          In the second method, you find the area of a half of one petal, which you correctly determined to range from $theta=0$ to $theta=dfrac{pi}{6}$. Since there are six such half-petals, multiplying by $6$ clearly yields the correct answer. Note, however, that taking six half-petals of the same "angular width" (so to speak) as the one going from $theta=0$ to $theta=dfrac{pi}{6}$ will produce the angle six times as wide, i.e. from $theta=0$ to $theta=pi$, consistent with my explanation above.






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          Your first answer is twice the correct answer for the following reason: if you let $theta$ range from $theta=0$ to $theta=2pi$, the curve $r=4cos(3theta)$ — which is a flower with three petals — is traced twice, and therefore you find twice the area. If you trace it carefully starting from $theta=0$, which is $(4,0)$ in cartesian coordinates, you will see that the curve is completed and comes back to the initial point at $theta=pi$; and then, from $theta=pi$ to $theta=2pi$ you retrace it once more.



          In the second method, you find the area of a half of one petal, which you correctly determined to range from $theta=0$ to $theta=dfrac{pi}{6}$. Since there are six such half-petals, multiplying by $6$ clearly yields the correct answer. Note, however, that taking six half-petals of the same "angular width" (so to speak) as the one going from $theta=0$ to $theta=dfrac{pi}{6}$ will produce the angle six times as wide, i.e. from $theta=0$ to $theta=pi$, consistent with my explanation above.







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          • $begingroup$
            Ah, I immediately see this now. How can you tell when you have a polar equation that traces out completely in $0$ to $pi$ instead of $0$ to $2pi$?
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            – user163862
            Dec 26 '18 at 20:05


















          • $begingroup$
            Ah, I immediately see this now. How can you tell when you have a polar equation that traces out completely in $0$ to $pi$ instead of $0$ to $2pi$?
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            – user163862
            Dec 26 '18 at 20:05
















          $begingroup$
          Ah, I immediately see this now. How can you tell when you have a polar equation that traces out completely in $0$ to $pi$ instead of $0$ to $2pi$?
          $endgroup$
          – user163862
          Dec 26 '18 at 20:05




          $begingroup$
          Ah, I immediately see this now. How can you tell when you have a polar equation that traces out completely in $0$ to $pi$ instead of $0$ to $2pi$?
          $endgroup$
          – user163862
          Dec 26 '18 at 20:05











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          $begingroup$

          To provide yet another approach, you can use Green's theorem on the differential form $x ,dy$ to transform the area integral over one petal into a line integral along the petal:



          $$frac13 A = text{area of petal} = intlimits_{text{petal}},1,dA = intlimits_{text{boundary of petal}} x,dy $$



          Since $r = 4cos(3theta)$, the petal can be parameterized by
          $$(x(theta), y(theta)) = (r(theta)costheta, r(theta)sin(theta)) = (4costhetacos(3theta), 4sinthetacos(3theta))$$



          for $theta in left[-frac{pi}6, frac{pi}6right]$.



          Differentiating gives $dy = (4costhetacos(3theta) - 12sinthetasin(3theta)),dtheta$ so



          $$frac13 A = int_{-frac{pi}6}^{frac{pi}6}4costhetacos(3theta) (4costhetacos(3theta) - 12sinthetasin(3theta)),dtheta = frac{4pi}3$$



          so $A = 4pi$.



          The integral is a bit cumbersome but it can be solved using the product-to-sum formulas for sine and cosine.






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            ... and which is the wrong answer of the two.
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            @zipirovich You are right of course, thanks. I have added a completely different approach to obtain the right result.
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          -1












          $begingroup$

          To provide yet another approach, you can use Green's theorem on the differential form $x ,dy$ to transform the area integral over one petal into a line integral along the petal:



          $$frac13 A = text{area of petal} = intlimits_{text{petal}},1,dA = intlimits_{text{boundary of petal}} x,dy $$



          Since $r = 4cos(3theta)$, the petal can be parameterized by
          $$(x(theta), y(theta)) = (r(theta)costheta, r(theta)sin(theta)) = (4costhetacos(3theta), 4sinthetacos(3theta))$$



          for $theta in left[-frac{pi}6, frac{pi}6right]$.



          Differentiating gives $dy = (4costhetacos(3theta) - 12sinthetasin(3theta)),dtheta$ so



          $$frac13 A = int_{-frac{pi}6}^{frac{pi}6}4costhetacos(3theta) (4costhetacos(3theta) - 12sinthetasin(3theta)),dtheta = frac{4pi}3$$



          so $A = 4pi$.



          The integral is a bit cumbersome but it can be solved using the product-to-sum formulas for sine and cosine.






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            ... and which is the wrong answer of the two.
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            – zipirovich
            Dec 26 '18 at 18:51










          • $begingroup$
            @zipirovich You are right of course, thanks. I have added a completely different approach to obtain the right result.
            $endgroup$
            – mechanodroid
            Dec 26 '18 at 19:36














          -1












          -1








          -1





          $begingroup$

          To provide yet another approach, you can use Green's theorem on the differential form $x ,dy$ to transform the area integral over one petal into a line integral along the petal:



          $$frac13 A = text{area of petal} = intlimits_{text{petal}},1,dA = intlimits_{text{boundary of petal}} x,dy $$



          Since $r = 4cos(3theta)$, the petal can be parameterized by
          $$(x(theta), y(theta)) = (r(theta)costheta, r(theta)sin(theta)) = (4costhetacos(3theta), 4sinthetacos(3theta))$$



          for $theta in left[-frac{pi}6, frac{pi}6right]$.



          Differentiating gives $dy = (4costhetacos(3theta) - 12sinthetasin(3theta)),dtheta$ so



          $$frac13 A = int_{-frac{pi}6}^{frac{pi}6}4costhetacos(3theta) (4costhetacos(3theta) - 12sinthetasin(3theta)),dtheta = frac{4pi}3$$



          so $A = 4pi$.



          The integral is a bit cumbersome but it can be solved using the product-to-sum formulas for sine and cosine.






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          $endgroup$



          To provide yet another approach, you can use Green's theorem on the differential form $x ,dy$ to transform the area integral over one petal into a line integral along the petal:



          $$frac13 A = text{area of petal} = intlimits_{text{petal}},1,dA = intlimits_{text{boundary of petal}} x,dy $$



          Since $r = 4cos(3theta)$, the petal can be parameterized by
          $$(x(theta), y(theta)) = (r(theta)costheta, r(theta)sin(theta)) = (4costhetacos(3theta), 4sinthetacos(3theta))$$



          for $theta in left[-frac{pi}6, frac{pi}6right]$.



          Differentiating gives $dy = (4costhetacos(3theta) - 12sinthetasin(3theta)),dtheta$ so



          $$frac13 A = int_{-frac{pi}6}^{frac{pi}6}4costhetacos(3theta) (4costhetacos(3theta) - 12sinthetasin(3theta)),dtheta = frac{4pi}3$$



          so $A = 4pi$.



          The integral is a bit cumbersome but it can be solved using the product-to-sum formulas for sine and cosine.







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            ... and which is the wrong answer of the two.
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            @zipirovich You are right of course, thanks. I have added a completely different approach to obtain the right result.
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            Dec 26 '18 at 19:36


















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            ... and which is the wrong answer of the two.
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            Dec 26 '18 at 18:51










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            @zipirovich You are right of course, thanks. I have added a completely different approach to obtain the right result.
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            Dec 26 '18 at 19:36
















          $begingroup$
          ... and which is the wrong answer of the two.
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          Dec 26 '18 at 18:51




          $begingroup$
          ... and which is the wrong answer of the two.
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          Dec 26 '18 at 18:51












          $begingroup$
          @zipirovich You are right of course, thanks. I have added a completely different approach to obtain the right result.
          $endgroup$
          – mechanodroid
          Dec 26 '18 at 19:36




          $begingroup$
          @zipirovich You are right of course, thanks. I have added a completely different approach to obtain the right result.
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          Dec 26 '18 at 19:36


















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