Why is $frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}}=frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$ and not $2sqrt{8}$?
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I am asked to simplify $frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}}$ and am provided with the solution $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$.
(Side question, in the solution why can't $sqrt{7D}$ and $7D$ cancel out since one is in he denominator so if multiplying out would it not be $sqrt{7D} * 7D = 0$?)
I gave this question a try but arrived at $2sqrt{8}$. Here's my working:
(multiply out the radicals in the denominator)
$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}}$ =
$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}} * frac{sqrt{14D}}{sqrt{14D}}$ =
$frac{sqrt{32}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ =
(Use product rule to split out 32 in numerator)
$frac{sqrt{4}sqrt{8}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ =
$frac{2sqrt{8}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ =
Then, using my presumably flawed logic in my side question above I cancelled out $14D$ to arrive at $2sqrt{8}$
Where did I go wrong and how can I arrive at $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$?
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I am asked to simplify $frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}}$ and am provided with the solution $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$.
(Side question, in the solution why can't $sqrt{7D}$ and $7D$ cancel out since one is in he denominator so if multiplying out would it not be $sqrt{7D} * 7D = 0$?)
I gave this question a try but arrived at $2sqrt{8}$. Here's my working:
(multiply out the radicals in the denominator)
$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}}$ =
$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}} * frac{sqrt{14D}}{sqrt{14D}}$ =
$frac{sqrt{32}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ =
(Use product rule to split out 32 in numerator)
$frac{sqrt{4}sqrt{8}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ =
$frac{2sqrt{8}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ =
Then, using my presumably flawed logic in my side question above I cancelled out $14D$ to arrive at $2sqrt{8}$
Where did I go wrong and how can I arrive at $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$?
algebra-precalculus
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Why would $sqrt {7D}times 7D=0$? Just try a few numerical values for $D$, like $D=1$. As a general suggestion, trying numerical values is always a good idea. Here, you'd see quickly that the original expression changes as $D$ changes, so you'd know that $2sqrt 8$ can't be right.
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– lulu
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" I cancelled out $14D$". No, you cancelled a $14D$ with a $sqrt{14 D}$. These are different numbers.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
Jan 4 at 17:15
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$sqrt{7D}$ and $7D$ can't cancel because they are not equal for all $D$. Instead, you know that $m=sqrt msqrt m$. Keep $m=14D$ to get $14D=sqrt{14D}sqrt{14D}$. Now you can cancel a $sqrt{14D}$ from the numerator and denominator.
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– Shubham Johri
Jan 4 at 17:33
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I'm aware that multiplying a number by one leaves the number unchanged, and that dividing a non-zero number by itself results in one, but what does canceling mean?
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– John Joy
Jan 4 at 17:34
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@JohnJoy It means removing common factors from the numerator and denominator of a quotient
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– Shubham Johri
Jan 4 at 17:35
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show 3 more comments
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I am asked to simplify $frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}}$ and am provided with the solution $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$.
(Side question, in the solution why can't $sqrt{7D}$ and $7D$ cancel out since one is in he denominator so if multiplying out would it not be $sqrt{7D} * 7D = 0$?)
I gave this question a try but arrived at $2sqrt{8}$. Here's my working:
(multiply out the radicals in the denominator)
$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}}$ =
$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}} * frac{sqrt{14D}}{sqrt{14D}}$ =
$frac{sqrt{32}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ =
(Use product rule to split out 32 in numerator)
$frac{sqrt{4}sqrt{8}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ =
$frac{2sqrt{8}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ =
Then, using my presumably flawed logic in my side question above I cancelled out $14D$ to arrive at $2sqrt{8}$
Where did I go wrong and how can I arrive at $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$?
algebra-precalculus
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I am asked to simplify $frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}}$ and am provided with the solution $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$.
(Side question, in the solution why can't $sqrt{7D}$ and $7D$ cancel out since one is in he denominator so if multiplying out would it not be $sqrt{7D} * 7D = 0$?)
I gave this question a try but arrived at $2sqrt{8}$. Here's my working:
(multiply out the radicals in the denominator)
$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}}$ =
$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}} * frac{sqrt{14D}}{sqrt{14D}}$ =
$frac{sqrt{32}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ =
(Use product rule to split out 32 in numerator)
$frac{sqrt{4}sqrt{8}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ =
$frac{2sqrt{8}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ =
Then, using my presumably flawed logic in my side question above I cancelled out $14D$ to arrive at $2sqrt{8}$
Where did I go wrong and how can I arrive at $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$?
algebra-precalculus
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Why would $sqrt {7D}times 7D=0$? Just try a few numerical values for $D$, like $D=1$. As a general suggestion, trying numerical values is always a good idea. Here, you'd see quickly that the original expression changes as $D$ changes, so you'd know that $2sqrt 8$ can't be right.
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– lulu
Jan 4 at 17:14
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" I cancelled out $14D$". No, you cancelled a $14D$ with a $sqrt{14 D}$. These are different numbers.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
Jan 4 at 17:15
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$sqrt{7D}$ and $7D$ can't cancel because they are not equal for all $D$. Instead, you know that $m=sqrt msqrt m$. Keep $m=14D$ to get $14D=sqrt{14D}sqrt{14D}$. Now you can cancel a $sqrt{14D}$ from the numerator and denominator.
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– Shubham Johri
Jan 4 at 17:33
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I'm aware that multiplying a number by one leaves the number unchanged, and that dividing a non-zero number by itself results in one, but what does canceling mean?
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– John Joy
Jan 4 at 17:34
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@JohnJoy It means removing common factors from the numerator and denominator of a quotient
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– Shubham Johri
Jan 4 at 17:35
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Why would $sqrt {7D}times 7D=0$? Just try a few numerical values for $D$, like $D=1$. As a general suggestion, trying numerical values is always a good idea. Here, you'd see quickly that the original expression changes as $D$ changes, so you'd know that $2sqrt 8$ can't be right.
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– lulu
Jan 4 at 17:14
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" I cancelled out $14D$". No, you cancelled a $14D$ with a $sqrt{14 D}$. These are different numbers.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
Jan 4 at 17:15
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$sqrt{7D}$ and $7D$ can't cancel because they are not equal for all $D$. Instead, you know that $m=sqrt msqrt m$. Keep $m=14D$ to get $14D=sqrt{14D}sqrt{14D}$. Now you can cancel a $sqrt{14D}$ from the numerator and denominator.
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– Shubham Johri
Jan 4 at 17:33
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I'm aware that multiplying a number by one leaves the number unchanged, and that dividing a non-zero number by itself results in one, but what does canceling mean?
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– John Joy
Jan 4 at 17:34
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@JohnJoy It means removing common factors from the numerator and denominator of a quotient
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– Shubham Johri
Jan 4 at 17:35
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Why would $sqrt {7D}times 7D=0$? Just try a few numerical values for $D$, like $D=1$. As a general suggestion, trying numerical values is always a good idea. Here, you'd see quickly that the original expression changes as $D$ changes, so you'd know that $2sqrt 8$ can't be right.
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– lulu
Jan 4 at 17:14
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Why would $sqrt {7D}times 7D=0$? Just try a few numerical values for $D$, like $D=1$. As a general suggestion, trying numerical values is always a good idea. Here, you'd see quickly that the original expression changes as $D$ changes, so you'd know that $2sqrt 8$ can't be right.
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– lulu
Jan 4 at 17:14
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" I cancelled out $14D$". No, you cancelled a $14D$ with a $sqrt{14 D}$. These are different numbers.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
Jan 4 at 17:15
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" I cancelled out $14D$". No, you cancelled a $14D$ with a $sqrt{14 D}$. These are different numbers.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
Jan 4 at 17:15
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$sqrt{7D}$ and $7D$ can't cancel because they are not equal for all $D$. Instead, you know that $m=sqrt msqrt m$. Keep $m=14D$ to get $14D=sqrt{14D}sqrt{14D}$. Now you can cancel a $sqrt{14D}$ from the numerator and denominator.
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– Shubham Johri
Jan 4 at 17:33
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$sqrt{7D}$ and $7D$ can't cancel because they are not equal for all $D$. Instead, you know that $m=sqrt msqrt m$. Keep $m=14D$ to get $14D=sqrt{14D}sqrt{14D}$. Now you can cancel a $sqrt{14D}$ from the numerator and denominator.
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– Shubham Johri
Jan 4 at 17:33
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I'm aware that multiplying a number by one leaves the number unchanged, and that dividing a non-zero number by itself results in one, but what does canceling mean?
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– John Joy
Jan 4 at 17:34
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I'm aware that multiplying a number by one leaves the number unchanged, and that dividing a non-zero number by itself results in one, but what does canceling mean?
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– John Joy
Jan 4 at 17:34
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@JohnJoy It means removing common factors from the numerator and denominator of a quotient
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– Shubham Johri
Jan 4 at 17:35
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@JohnJoy It means removing common factors from the numerator and denominator of a quotient
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Hint: Multiplying numerator and denomninator by $$sqrt{14D}$$ we get $$frac{sqrt{32}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$$ and this is equal b$$frac{4sqrt{2}{sqrt{2}}sqrt{7D}}{14D}$$ and this is equal to $$frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$$ for $$Dneq 0$$
$$sqrt{32}=sqrt{2cdot 16}=4sqrt{2}$$ and $$sqrt{14}=sqrt{2}sqrt{7}$$
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Thank you (again) for helping me with my math! I'm struggling to follow the step between $frac{4sqrt{2}{sqrt{2}}sqrt{7D}}{14D}$ and $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$? How did youchange the denominator to 7D and where did the two roots of 2 go?
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He used $sqrt 2 cdot sqrt 2=2,$ then divided the numerator and denominator by $2$. That is how the denominator went from $14D$ to $7D$
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– Ross Millikan
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Your paragraph with side note shows two major misconceptions.
The first is that $sqrt{7D}$ is not the same as $7D$ so you can't cancel them. As long as $x gt 0$ so things make sense $frac {sqrt x}x=frac {x^{1/2}}x=frac 1{x^{1/2}}$ by the laws of exponents.
Second, if you could cancel them you would be claiming that $frac {sqrt{7D}}{7D}=1$. Their product would definitely not be $0$. Saying you are canceling things from a fraction is a good way to make mistakes. I find it much better to think in terms of multiplying the fraction by $1$ in either the form $frac xx$ or the form $dfrac {frac 1x}{frac 1x}$. When you have terms added in the numerator or denominator that prompts you to distribute the new factor properly and also alerts you to the fact that if you have nothing left it should be $1$, not $0$.
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Thank you for the explanation
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I’m not exactly sure why you thought $frac{sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ can be cancelled. The square root of a value is not equal to itself unless the value is $1$, so that’s clearly false. Usually, when you’re unsure about simplifications, you can try inserting a value to check if it is valid. Instead, you can simplify as follows:
$$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}} = frac{sqrt{2^5}}{sqrt{14D}} = frac{sqrt{left(2^2right)^2cdot 2}}{sqrt{2cdot 7D}} = frac{2^2sqrt{2}}{sqrt{2}sqrt{7D}} = frac{2^2}{sqrt{7D}} = frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}$$
Rationalization yields
$$frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}cdotfrac{sqrt{7D}}{sqrt{7D}} = frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$$
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$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}}=frac{4sqrt{2}}{sqrt{2}sqrt{7D}}=frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}=frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}frac{sqrt{7D}}{sqrt{7D}}=frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$
but $frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}=2sqrt{8}$ then $sqrt{14D}=1$ so $D=frac{1}{14}$.
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Hint: Multiplying numerator and denomninator by $$sqrt{14D}$$ we get $$frac{sqrt{32}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$$ and this is equal b$$frac{4sqrt{2}{sqrt{2}}sqrt{7D}}{14D}$$ and this is equal to $$frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$$ for $$Dneq 0$$
$$sqrt{32}=sqrt{2cdot 16}=4sqrt{2}$$ and $$sqrt{14}=sqrt{2}sqrt{7}$$
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Thank you (again) for helping me with my math! I'm struggling to follow the step between $frac{4sqrt{2}{sqrt{2}}sqrt{7D}}{14D}$ and $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$? How did youchange the denominator to 7D and where did the two roots of 2 go?
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– Doug Fir
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He used $sqrt 2 cdot sqrt 2=2,$ then divided the numerator and denominator by $2$. That is how the denominator went from $14D$ to $7D$
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– Ross Millikan
Jan 4 at 17:28
add a comment |
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Hint: Multiplying numerator and denomninator by $$sqrt{14D}$$ we get $$frac{sqrt{32}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$$ and this is equal b$$frac{4sqrt{2}{sqrt{2}}sqrt{7D}}{14D}$$ and this is equal to $$frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$$ for $$Dneq 0$$
$$sqrt{32}=sqrt{2cdot 16}=4sqrt{2}$$ and $$sqrt{14}=sqrt{2}sqrt{7}$$
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Thank you (again) for helping me with my math! I'm struggling to follow the step between $frac{4sqrt{2}{sqrt{2}}sqrt{7D}}{14D}$ and $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$? How did youchange the denominator to 7D and where did the two roots of 2 go?
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– Doug Fir
Jan 4 at 17:24
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He used $sqrt 2 cdot sqrt 2=2,$ then divided the numerator and denominator by $2$. That is how the denominator went from $14D$ to $7D$
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– Ross Millikan
Jan 4 at 17:28
add a comment |
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Hint: Multiplying numerator and denomninator by $$sqrt{14D}$$ we get $$frac{sqrt{32}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$$ and this is equal b$$frac{4sqrt{2}{sqrt{2}}sqrt{7D}}{14D}$$ and this is equal to $$frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$$ for $$Dneq 0$$
$$sqrt{32}=sqrt{2cdot 16}=4sqrt{2}$$ and $$sqrt{14}=sqrt{2}sqrt{7}$$
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Hint: Multiplying numerator and denomninator by $$sqrt{14D}$$ we get $$frac{sqrt{32}sqrt{14D}}{14D}$$ and this is equal b$$frac{4sqrt{2}{sqrt{2}}sqrt{7D}}{14D}$$ and this is equal to $$frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$$ for $$Dneq 0$$
$$sqrt{32}=sqrt{2cdot 16}=4sqrt{2}$$ and $$sqrt{14}=sqrt{2}sqrt{7}$$
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Dr. Sonnhard GraubnerDr. Sonnhard Graubner
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Thank you (again) for helping me with my math! I'm struggling to follow the step between $frac{4sqrt{2}{sqrt{2}}sqrt{7D}}{14D}$ and $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$? How did youchange the denominator to 7D and where did the two roots of 2 go?
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– Doug Fir
Jan 4 at 17:24
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He used $sqrt 2 cdot sqrt 2=2,$ then divided the numerator and denominator by $2$. That is how the denominator went from $14D$ to $7D$
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– Ross Millikan
Jan 4 at 17:28
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Thank you (again) for helping me with my math! I'm struggling to follow the step between $frac{4sqrt{2}{sqrt{2}}sqrt{7D}}{14D}$ and $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$? How did youchange the denominator to 7D and where did the two roots of 2 go?
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– Doug Fir
Jan 4 at 17:24
1
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He used $sqrt 2 cdot sqrt 2=2,$ then divided the numerator and denominator by $2$. That is how the denominator went from $14D$ to $7D$
$endgroup$
– Ross Millikan
Jan 4 at 17:28
$begingroup$
Thank you (again) for helping me with my math! I'm struggling to follow the step between $frac{4sqrt{2}{sqrt{2}}sqrt{7D}}{14D}$ and $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$? How did youchange the denominator to 7D and where did the two roots of 2 go?
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– Doug Fir
Jan 4 at 17:24
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Thank you (again) for helping me with my math! I'm struggling to follow the step between $frac{4sqrt{2}{sqrt{2}}sqrt{7D}}{14D}$ and $frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$? How did youchange the denominator to 7D and where did the two roots of 2 go?
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– Doug Fir
Jan 4 at 17:24
1
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He used $sqrt 2 cdot sqrt 2=2,$ then divided the numerator and denominator by $2$. That is how the denominator went from $14D$ to $7D$
$endgroup$
– Ross Millikan
Jan 4 at 17:28
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He used $sqrt 2 cdot sqrt 2=2,$ then divided the numerator and denominator by $2$. That is how the denominator went from $14D$ to $7D$
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– Ross Millikan
Jan 4 at 17:28
add a comment |
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Your paragraph with side note shows two major misconceptions.
The first is that $sqrt{7D}$ is not the same as $7D$ so you can't cancel them. As long as $x gt 0$ so things make sense $frac {sqrt x}x=frac {x^{1/2}}x=frac 1{x^{1/2}}$ by the laws of exponents.
Second, if you could cancel them you would be claiming that $frac {sqrt{7D}}{7D}=1$. Their product would definitely not be $0$. Saying you are canceling things from a fraction is a good way to make mistakes. I find it much better to think in terms of multiplying the fraction by $1$ in either the form $frac xx$ or the form $dfrac {frac 1x}{frac 1x}$. When you have terms added in the numerator or denominator that prompts you to distribute the new factor properly and also alerts you to the fact that if you have nothing left it should be $1$, not $0$.
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Thank you for the explanation
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– Doug Fir
Jan 4 at 17:48
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Your paragraph with side note shows two major misconceptions.
The first is that $sqrt{7D}$ is not the same as $7D$ so you can't cancel them. As long as $x gt 0$ so things make sense $frac {sqrt x}x=frac {x^{1/2}}x=frac 1{x^{1/2}}$ by the laws of exponents.
Second, if you could cancel them you would be claiming that $frac {sqrt{7D}}{7D}=1$. Their product would definitely not be $0$. Saying you are canceling things from a fraction is a good way to make mistakes. I find it much better to think in terms of multiplying the fraction by $1$ in either the form $frac xx$ or the form $dfrac {frac 1x}{frac 1x}$. When you have terms added in the numerator or denominator that prompts you to distribute the new factor properly and also alerts you to the fact that if you have nothing left it should be $1$, not $0$.
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Thank you for the explanation
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– Doug Fir
Jan 4 at 17:48
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Your paragraph with side note shows two major misconceptions.
The first is that $sqrt{7D}$ is not the same as $7D$ so you can't cancel them. As long as $x gt 0$ so things make sense $frac {sqrt x}x=frac {x^{1/2}}x=frac 1{x^{1/2}}$ by the laws of exponents.
Second, if you could cancel them you would be claiming that $frac {sqrt{7D}}{7D}=1$. Their product would definitely not be $0$. Saying you are canceling things from a fraction is a good way to make mistakes. I find it much better to think in terms of multiplying the fraction by $1$ in either the form $frac xx$ or the form $dfrac {frac 1x}{frac 1x}$. When you have terms added in the numerator or denominator that prompts you to distribute the new factor properly and also alerts you to the fact that if you have nothing left it should be $1$, not $0$.
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Your paragraph with side note shows two major misconceptions.
The first is that $sqrt{7D}$ is not the same as $7D$ so you can't cancel them. As long as $x gt 0$ so things make sense $frac {sqrt x}x=frac {x^{1/2}}x=frac 1{x^{1/2}}$ by the laws of exponents.
Second, if you could cancel them you would be claiming that $frac {sqrt{7D}}{7D}=1$. Their product would definitely not be $0$. Saying you are canceling things from a fraction is a good way to make mistakes. I find it much better to think in terms of multiplying the fraction by $1$ in either the form $frac xx$ or the form $dfrac {frac 1x}{frac 1x}$. When you have terms added in the numerator or denominator that prompts you to distribute the new factor properly and also alerts you to the fact that if you have nothing left it should be $1$, not $0$.
answered Jan 4 at 17:27
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Thank you for the explanation
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Thank you for the explanation
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– Doug Fir
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Thank you for the explanation
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Thank you for the explanation
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I’m not exactly sure why you thought $frac{sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ can be cancelled. The square root of a value is not equal to itself unless the value is $1$, so that’s clearly false. Usually, when you’re unsure about simplifications, you can try inserting a value to check if it is valid. Instead, you can simplify as follows:
$$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}} = frac{sqrt{2^5}}{sqrt{14D}} = frac{sqrt{left(2^2right)^2cdot 2}}{sqrt{2cdot 7D}} = frac{2^2sqrt{2}}{sqrt{2}sqrt{7D}} = frac{2^2}{sqrt{7D}} = frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}$$
Rationalization yields
$$frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}cdotfrac{sqrt{7D}}{sqrt{7D}} = frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$$
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I’m not exactly sure why you thought $frac{sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ can be cancelled. The square root of a value is not equal to itself unless the value is $1$, so that’s clearly false. Usually, when you’re unsure about simplifications, you can try inserting a value to check if it is valid. Instead, you can simplify as follows:
$$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}} = frac{sqrt{2^5}}{sqrt{14D}} = frac{sqrt{left(2^2right)^2cdot 2}}{sqrt{2cdot 7D}} = frac{2^2sqrt{2}}{sqrt{2}sqrt{7D}} = frac{2^2}{sqrt{7D}} = frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}$$
Rationalization yields
$$frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}cdotfrac{sqrt{7D}}{sqrt{7D}} = frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$$
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I’m not exactly sure why you thought $frac{sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ can be cancelled. The square root of a value is not equal to itself unless the value is $1$, so that’s clearly false. Usually, when you’re unsure about simplifications, you can try inserting a value to check if it is valid. Instead, you can simplify as follows:
$$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}} = frac{sqrt{2^5}}{sqrt{14D}} = frac{sqrt{left(2^2right)^2cdot 2}}{sqrt{2cdot 7D}} = frac{2^2sqrt{2}}{sqrt{2}sqrt{7D}} = frac{2^2}{sqrt{7D}} = frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}$$
Rationalization yields
$$frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}cdotfrac{sqrt{7D}}{sqrt{7D}} = frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$$
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I’m not exactly sure why you thought $frac{sqrt{14D}}{14D}$ can be cancelled. The square root of a value is not equal to itself unless the value is $1$, so that’s clearly false. Usually, when you’re unsure about simplifications, you can try inserting a value to check if it is valid. Instead, you can simplify as follows:
$$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}} = frac{sqrt{2^5}}{sqrt{14D}} = frac{sqrt{left(2^2right)^2cdot 2}}{sqrt{2cdot 7D}} = frac{2^2sqrt{2}}{sqrt{2}sqrt{7D}} = frac{2^2}{sqrt{7D}} = frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}$$
Rationalization yields
$$frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}cdotfrac{sqrt{7D}}{sqrt{7D}} = frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$$
answered Jan 4 at 17:29
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$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}}=frac{4sqrt{2}}{sqrt{2}sqrt{7D}}=frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}=frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}frac{sqrt{7D}}{sqrt{7D}}=frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$
but $frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}=2sqrt{8}$ then $sqrt{14D}=1$ so $D=frac{1}{14}$.
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$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}}=frac{4sqrt{2}}{sqrt{2}sqrt{7D}}=frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}=frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}frac{sqrt{7D}}{sqrt{7D}}=frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$
but $frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}=2sqrt{8}$ then $sqrt{14D}=1$ so $D=frac{1}{14}$.
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$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}}=frac{4sqrt{2}}{sqrt{2}sqrt{7D}}=frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}=frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}frac{sqrt{7D}}{sqrt{7D}}=frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$
but $frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}=2sqrt{8}$ then $sqrt{14D}=1$ so $D=frac{1}{14}$.
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$frac{sqrt{32}}{sqrt{14D}}=frac{4sqrt{2}}{sqrt{2}sqrt{7D}}=frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}=frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}frac{sqrt{7D}}{sqrt{7D}}=frac{4sqrt{7D}}{7D}$
but $frac{4}{sqrt{7D}}=2sqrt{8}$ then $sqrt{14D}=1$ so $D=frac{1}{14}$.
answered Jan 4 at 17:26
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Why would $sqrt {7D}times 7D=0$? Just try a few numerical values for $D$, like $D=1$. As a general suggestion, trying numerical values is always a good idea. Here, you'd see quickly that the original expression changes as $D$ changes, so you'd know that $2sqrt 8$ can't be right.
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– lulu
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" I cancelled out $14D$". No, you cancelled a $14D$ with a $sqrt{14 D}$. These are different numbers.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
Jan 4 at 17:15
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$sqrt{7D}$ and $7D$ can't cancel because they are not equal for all $D$. Instead, you know that $m=sqrt msqrt m$. Keep $m=14D$ to get $14D=sqrt{14D}sqrt{14D}$. Now you can cancel a $sqrt{14D}$ from the numerator and denominator.
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– Shubham Johri
Jan 4 at 17:33
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I'm aware that multiplying a number by one leaves the number unchanged, and that dividing a non-zero number by itself results in one, but what does canceling mean?
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– John Joy
Jan 4 at 17:34
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@JohnJoy It means removing common factors from the numerator and denominator of a quotient
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– Shubham Johri
Jan 4 at 17:35