About a $C^infty$ extension of a function defined on a closed set (or a $C^infty$- version of Tietze's...
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Let a function $f$ defined on a closed subset $F$ of $mathbf{R}$ which is potentially $C^infty$ in this sense : to define the notion of potential derivative, let us say that $ain mathbf{R}$ is a potential derivative of $f$ at $x_0in F$ if $f(x) = f(x_0) + a(x-x_0) + o(x-x_0)$ for $xin F$ ($a$ may not be unique because $x_0$ might be isolated in $F$). Let us say that $g$ is a potential derivative of $f$ if $g(x_0)$ is a potential derivative of $f$ at $x_0$ for all $xin F$. Then, a function $f$ is potentially $C^infty$ on $F$ if there exists a sequence $(g_n)$ such that $f = g_0$, $g_{n+1}$ is a potential derivative of $g_n$ for all $nin mathbf{N}$.
Remark that the potential derivative is unique if $x_0 in F$ is not isolated (it is just the limit of the newton difference quotient).
This enables for instance to have a Taylor expansion of the function which approximates the function at all order : $f(x) = P_n(x-x_0) + o((x-x_0)^n)$, where $P_n(X) = sum_{k=0}^n g_k(x_0) X^k$ EDIT : I am sorry : this is false. So it is needed to suppose its existence, and also the exitence of the expansion of the $f^{(k)}$. See the Whitney extension theorem for the exact hypothesis needed : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_extension_theorem. I give a counter-example : $F = {0} cup cup_{nin mathbf{N}} [frac{1}{4^n}, frac{2}{4^n}]$, let for $xin F$ $phi(x)$ the least element in the same connex component of $x$, and put $f(x) = phi(x)^2 + x$. $f$ is "potentially $C^infty$" in the sense I've mentionned, but its "potential Taylor expansion" at 0 $f(x) = x$ is not compatible with f at the order 2.
Does such a function potentially $C^infty$ admits a $C^infty$ extension $phi$ on $mathbf{R}$ such that the successive derivatives coincide with whatever potential derivatives $g_n$ fixed ?
It is well known, by Tietze's extension theorem, that a continuous function on a closed set admits a continuous extension. But what about a $C^infty$ extension ?
I have also the same question by replacing $mathbf{R}$ by $mathbf{R}^n$, $mathbf{R}^m$ with the natural definition of potential differentiation ; let $f$ a function $F rightarrow R^m$ defined on $F$ a closed set of $mathbf{R}^n$. $f$ is said to be potentially differentiable at $x_0 in F$ if there exist an endomorphism $u$ from $mathbf{R}^n$ to $mathbf{R}^m$ such that for $xin F$, $f(x) = f(x_0) + u(x-x_0) + o(x-x_0)$. Then $u$ is said to be a differential of $f$ on $x_0$. A function $u$ from $f$ to the set of endomorphisms from $mathbf{R}^n$ to $mathbf{R}^n$ is said to be a potential differential of $f$ if for all $x_0 in F$, $u(x_0)$ is a differential of $f$ at $x_0$.
Then, $f$ is potentially $C^infty$ if there exist $(u_n)$ such that $f = u_0$ and $u_{n+1}$ is a potential differential of $u_n$ for all $nin mathbf{N}$ . Then, the sequence $(u_n)$ is said to be a sequence of potential iterated differentials of $f$.
There is no unicity of the potential differential because $F$ might lack some directions.
Nevertheless, it is possible to check that theese definitions enable to have an analogous Taylor expansion of the function $f$. EDIT : this is again false.
Does a potentially $C^infty$ function in this sense admits an extension $phi$ $C^infty$ such that the successive differentials coincide with whatever potential iterated differentials fixed $(u_n)$ ?
EDIT :
I .
For a good notion of "potential differentiability", you need to suppose the existence of taylor expansions, which is not automatic.
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Let a function $f$ defined on a closed subset $F$ of $mathbf{R}$ which is potentially $C^infty$ in this sense : to define the notion of potential derivative, let us say that $ain mathbf{R}$ is a potential derivative of $f$ at $x_0in F$ if $f(x) = f(x_0) + a(x-x_0) + o(x-x_0)$ for $xin F$ ($a$ may not be unique because $x_0$ might be isolated in $F$). Let us say that $g$ is a potential derivative of $f$ if $g(x_0)$ is a potential derivative of $f$ at $x_0$ for all $xin F$. Then, a function $f$ is potentially $C^infty$ on $F$ if there exists a sequence $(g_n)$ such that $f = g_0$, $g_{n+1}$ is a potential derivative of $g_n$ for all $nin mathbf{N}$.
Remark that the potential derivative is unique if $x_0 in F$ is not isolated (it is just the limit of the newton difference quotient).
This enables for instance to have a Taylor expansion of the function which approximates the function at all order : $f(x) = P_n(x-x_0) + o((x-x_0)^n)$, where $P_n(X) = sum_{k=0}^n g_k(x_0) X^k$ EDIT : I am sorry : this is false. So it is needed to suppose its existence, and also the exitence of the expansion of the $f^{(k)}$. See the Whitney extension theorem for the exact hypothesis needed : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_extension_theorem. I give a counter-example : $F = {0} cup cup_{nin mathbf{N}} [frac{1}{4^n}, frac{2}{4^n}]$, let for $xin F$ $phi(x)$ the least element in the same connex component of $x$, and put $f(x) = phi(x)^2 + x$. $f$ is "potentially $C^infty$" in the sense I've mentionned, but its "potential Taylor expansion" at 0 $f(x) = x$ is not compatible with f at the order 2.
Does such a function potentially $C^infty$ admits a $C^infty$ extension $phi$ on $mathbf{R}$ such that the successive derivatives coincide with whatever potential derivatives $g_n$ fixed ?
It is well known, by Tietze's extension theorem, that a continuous function on a closed set admits a continuous extension. But what about a $C^infty$ extension ?
I have also the same question by replacing $mathbf{R}$ by $mathbf{R}^n$, $mathbf{R}^m$ with the natural definition of potential differentiation ; let $f$ a function $F rightarrow R^m$ defined on $F$ a closed set of $mathbf{R}^n$. $f$ is said to be potentially differentiable at $x_0 in F$ if there exist an endomorphism $u$ from $mathbf{R}^n$ to $mathbf{R}^m$ such that for $xin F$, $f(x) = f(x_0) + u(x-x_0) + o(x-x_0)$. Then $u$ is said to be a differential of $f$ on $x_0$. A function $u$ from $f$ to the set of endomorphisms from $mathbf{R}^n$ to $mathbf{R}^n$ is said to be a potential differential of $f$ if for all $x_0 in F$, $u(x_0)$ is a differential of $f$ at $x_0$.
Then, $f$ is potentially $C^infty$ if there exist $(u_n)$ such that $f = u_0$ and $u_{n+1}$ is a potential differential of $u_n$ for all $nin mathbf{N}$ . Then, the sequence $(u_n)$ is said to be a sequence of potential iterated differentials of $f$.
There is no unicity of the potential differential because $F$ might lack some directions.
Nevertheless, it is possible to check that theese definitions enable to have an analogous Taylor expansion of the function $f$. EDIT : this is again false.
Does a potentially $C^infty$ function in this sense admits an extension $phi$ $C^infty$ such that the successive differentials coincide with whatever potential iterated differentials fixed $(u_n)$ ?
EDIT :
I .
For a good notion of "potential differentiability", you need to suppose the existence of taylor expansions, which is not automatic.
real-analysis general-topology
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This is probably useful math.stackexchange.com/questions/328868/…
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– SmileyCraft
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May be a lemma like this would be better (more precise) Lemma (?) : Let $A$, $B$ two disjoint closed sets of $mathbf{R}$. Then there exists a $C^infty$ function such that $f = 0$ on $A$, $f=1$ on $B$ and $f^{(k)} = 0$ on $A cup B$ for $kgeq 1$. (I think it is true but I must take the time to check this)
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Here we go math.stackexchange.com/questions/198748/…
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– SmileyCraft
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I've found a nice link : math.stackexchange.com/questions/506135/…
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Let a function $f$ defined on a closed subset $F$ of $mathbf{R}$ which is potentially $C^infty$ in this sense : to define the notion of potential derivative, let us say that $ain mathbf{R}$ is a potential derivative of $f$ at $x_0in F$ if $f(x) = f(x_0) + a(x-x_0) + o(x-x_0)$ for $xin F$ ($a$ may not be unique because $x_0$ might be isolated in $F$). Let us say that $g$ is a potential derivative of $f$ if $g(x_0)$ is a potential derivative of $f$ at $x_0$ for all $xin F$. Then, a function $f$ is potentially $C^infty$ on $F$ if there exists a sequence $(g_n)$ such that $f = g_0$, $g_{n+1}$ is a potential derivative of $g_n$ for all $nin mathbf{N}$.
Remark that the potential derivative is unique if $x_0 in F$ is not isolated (it is just the limit of the newton difference quotient).
This enables for instance to have a Taylor expansion of the function which approximates the function at all order : $f(x) = P_n(x-x_0) + o((x-x_0)^n)$, where $P_n(X) = sum_{k=0}^n g_k(x_0) X^k$ EDIT : I am sorry : this is false. So it is needed to suppose its existence, and also the exitence of the expansion of the $f^{(k)}$. See the Whitney extension theorem for the exact hypothesis needed : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_extension_theorem. I give a counter-example : $F = {0} cup cup_{nin mathbf{N}} [frac{1}{4^n}, frac{2}{4^n}]$, let for $xin F$ $phi(x)$ the least element in the same connex component of $x$, and put $f(x) = phi(x)^2 + x$. $f$ is "potentially $C^infty$" in the sense I've mentionned, but its "potential Taylor expansion" at 0 $f(x) = x$ is not compatible with f at the order 2.
Does such a function potentially $C^infty$ admits a $C^infty$ extension $phi$ on $mathbf{R}$ such that the successive derivatives coincide with whatever potential derivatives $g_n$ fixed ?
It is well known, by Tietze's extension theorem, that a continuous function on a closed set admits a continuous extension. But what about a $C^infty$ extension ?
I have also the same question by replacing $mathbf{R}$ by $mathbf{R}^n$, $mathbf{R}^m$ with the natural definition of potential differentiation ; let $f$ a function $F rightarrow R^m$ defined on $F$ a closed set of $mathbf{R}^n$. $f$ is said to be potentially differentiable at $x_0 in F$ if there exist an endomorphism $u$ from $mathbf{R}^n$ to $mathbf{R}^m$ such that for $xin F$, $f(x) = f(x_0) + u(x-x_0) + o(x-x_0)$. Then $u$ is said to be a differential of $f$ on $x_0$. A function $u$ from $f$ to the set of endomorphisms from $mathbf{R}^n$ to $mathbf{R}^n$ is said to be a potential differential of $f$ if for all $x_0 in F$, $u(x_0)$ is a differential of $f$ at $x_0$.
Then, $f$ is potentially $C^infty$ if there exist $(u_n)$ such that $f = u_0$ and $u_{n+1}$ is a potential differential of $u_n$ for all $nin mathbf{N}$ . Then, the sequence $(u_n)$ is said to be a sequence of potential iterated differentials of $f$.
There is no unicity of the potential differential because $F$ might lack some directions.
Nevertheless, it is possible to check that theese definitions enable to have an analogous Taylor expansion of the function $f$. EDIT : this is again false.
Does a potentially $C^infty$ function in this sense admits an extension $phi$ $C^infty$ such that the successive differentials coincide with whatever potential iterated differentials fixed $(u_n)$ ?
EDIT :
I .
For a good notion of "potential differentiability", you need to suppose the existence of taylor expansions, which is not automatic.
real-analysis general-topology
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Let a function $f$ defined on a closed subset $F$ of $mathbf{R}$ which is potentially $C^infty$ in this sense : to define the notion of potential derivative, let us say that $ain mathbf{R}$ is a potential derivative of $f$ at $x_0in F$ if $f(x) = f(x_0) + a(x-x_0) + o(x-x_0)$ for $xin F$ ($a$ may not be unique because $x_0$ might be isolated in $F$). Let us say that $g$ is a potential derivative of $f$ if $g(x_0)$ is a potential derivative of $f$ at $x_0$ for all $xin F$. Then, a function $f$ is potentially $C^infty$ on $F$ if there exists a sequence $(g_n)$ such that $f = g_0$, $g_{n+1}$ is a potential derivative of $g_n$ for all $nin mathbf{N}$.
Remark that the potential derivative is unique if $x_0 in F$ is not isolated (it is just the limit of the newton difference quotient).
This enables for instance to have a Taylor expansion of the function which approximates the function at all order : $f(x) = P_n(x-x_0) + o((x-x_0)^n)$, where $P_n(X) = sum_{k=0}^n g_k(x_0) X^k$ EDIT : I am sorry : this is false. So it is needed to suppose its existence, and also the exitence of the expansion of the $f^{(k)}$. See the Whitney extension theorem for the exact hypothesis needed : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_extension_theorem. I give a counter-example : $F = {0} cup cup_{nin mathbf{N}} [frac{1}{4^n}, frac{2}{4^n}]$, let for $xin F$ $phi(x)$ the least element in the same connex component of $x$, and put $f(x) = phi(x)^2 + x$. $f$ is "potentially $C^infty$" in the sense I've mentionned, but its "potential Taylor expansion" at 0 $f(x) = x$ is not compatible with f at the order 2.
Does such a function potentially $C^infty$ admits a $C^infty$ extension $phi$ on $mathbf{R}$ such that the successive derivatives coincide with whatever potential derivatives $g_n$ fixed ?
It is well known, by Tietze's extension theorem, that a continuous function on a closed set admits a continuous extension. But what about a $C^infty$ extension ?
I have also the same question by replacing $mathbf{R}$ by $mathbf{R}^n$, $mathbf{R}^m$ with the natural definition of potential differentiation ; let $f$ a function $F rightarrow R^m$ defined on $F$ a closed set of $mathbf{R}^n$. $f$ is said to be potentially differentiable at $x_0 in F$ if there exist an endomorphism $u$ from $mathbf{R}^n$ to $mathbf{R}^m$ such that for $xin F$, $f(x) = f(x_0) + u(x-x_0) + o(x-x_0)$. Then $u$ is said to be a differential of $f$ on $x_0$. A function $u$ from $f$ to the set of endomorphisms from $mathbf{R}^n$ to $mathbf{R}^n$ is said to be a potential differential of $f$ if for all $x_0 in F$, $u(x_0)$ is a differential of $f$ at $x_0$.
Then, $f$ is potentially $C^infty$ if there exist $(u_n)$ such that $f = u_0$ and $u_{n+1}$ is a potential differential of $u_n$ for all $nin mathbf{N}$ . Then, the sequence $(u_n)$ is said to be a sequence of potential iterated differentials of $f$.
There is no unicity of the potential differential because $F$ might lack some directions.
Nevertheless, it is possible to check that theese definitions enable to have an analogous Taylor expansion of the function $f$. EDIT : this is again false.
Does a potentially $C^infty$ function in this sense admits an extension $phi$ $C^infty$ such that the successive differentials coincide with whatever potential iterated differentials fixed $(u_n)$ ?
EDIT :
I .
For a good notion of "potential differentiability", you need to suppose the existence of taylor expansions, which is not automatic.
real-analysis general-topology
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This is probably useful math.stackexchange.com/questions/328868/…
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– SmileyCraft
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May be a lemma like this would be better (more precise) Lemma (?) : Let $A$, $B$ two disjoint closed sets of $mathbf{R}$. Then there exists a $C^infty$ function such that $f = 0$ on $A$, $f=1$ on $B$ and $f^{(k)} = 0$ on $A cup B$ for $kgeq 1$. (I think it is true but I must take the time to check this)
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– DLeMeur
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Here we go math.stackexchange.com/questions/198748/…
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– SmileyCraft
Jan 10 at 15:02
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I've found a nice link : math.stackexchange.com/questions/506135/…
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This is probably useful math.stackexchange.com/questions/328868/…
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– SmileyCraft
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May be a lemma like this would be better (more precise) Lemma (?) : Let $A$, $B$ two disjoint closed sets of $mathbf{R}$. Then there exists a $C^infty$ function such that $f = 0$ on $A$, $f=1$ on $B$ and $f^{(k)} = 0$ on $A cup B$ for $kgeq 1$. (I think it is true but I must take the time to check this)
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– DLeMeur
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Here we go math.stackexchange.com/questions/198748/…
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– SmileyCraft
Jan 10 at 15:02
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I've found a nice link : math.stackexchange.com/questions/506135/…
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– DLeMeur
Jan 10 at 15:38
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This is probably useful math.stackexchange.com/questions/328868/…
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– SmileyCraft
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This is probably useful math.stackexchange.com/questions/328868/…
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– SmileyCraft
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May be a lemma like this would be better (more precise) Lemma (?) : Let $A$, $B$ two disjoint closed sets of $mathbf{R}$. Then there exists a $C^infty$ function such that $f = 0$ on $A$, $f=1$ on $B$ and $f^{(k)} = 0$ on $A cup B$ for $kgeq 1$. (I think it is true but I must take the time to check this)
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– DLeMeur
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May be a lemma like this would be better (more precise) Lemma (?) : Let $A$, $B$ two disjoint closed sets of $mathbf{R}$. Then there exists a $C^infty$ function such that $f = 0$ on $A$, $f=1$ on $B$ and $f^{(k)} = 0$ on $A cup B$ for $kgeq 1$. (I think it is true but I must take the time to check this)
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– DLeMeur
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Here we go math.stackexchange.com/questions/198748/…
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– SmileyCraft
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Here we go math.stackexchange.com/questions/198748/…
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– SmileyCraft
Jan 10 at 15:02
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I've found a nice link : math.stackexchange.com/questions/506135/…
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– DLeMeur
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I've found a nice link : math.stackexchange.com/questions/506135/…
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Actually, I've found it is an already existing theorem : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_extension_theorem ! This answers my question.
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May be a lemma like this would be better (more precise) Lemma (?) : Let $A$, $B$ two disjoint closed sets of $mathbf{R}$. Then there exists a $C^infty$ function such that $f = 0$ on $A$, $f=1$ on $B$ and $f^{(k)} = 0$ on $A cup B$ for $kgeq 1$. (I think it is true but I must take the time to check this)
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