Try finding languages such that L1⊆L2⊆L3 where L1,L3∉ RE and L2∈ R [duplicate]












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"RE" means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive. i am looking for the simplest solution- using a known languages such that do not demand another formal proof.










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    "RE" here means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive"?
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    yes. "RE" means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive
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  • Finding languages such that $L_{1} subseteq L_{2} subseteq L_{3}$ where $L_{1}, L_{3} notin mathbb{R}$, $L_{2} in mathbb{R}$

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"RE" means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive. i am looking for the simplest solution- using a known languages such that do not demand another formal proof.










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marked as duplicate by Asaf Karagila Jan 17 at 13:04


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    "RE" here means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive"?
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    yes. "RE" means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive
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    – Ofir Cohen
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  • Finding languages such that $L_{1} subseteq L_{2} subseteq L_{3}$ where $L_{1}, L_{3} notin mathbb{R}$, $L_{2} in mathbb{R}$

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"RE" means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive. i am looking for the simplest solution- using a known languages such that do not demand another formal proof.










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  • Finding languages such that $L_{1} subseteq L_{2} subseteq L_{3}$ where $L_{1}, L_{3} notin mathbb{R}$, $L_{2} in mathbb{R}$

    1 answer




"RE" means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive. i am looking for the simplest solution- using a known languages such that do not demand another formal proof.





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  • Finding languages such that $L_{1} subseteq L_{2} subseteq L_{3}$ where $L_{1}, L_{3} notin mathbb{R}$, $L_{2} in mathbb{R}$

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marked as duplicate by Asaf Karagila Jan 17 at 13:04


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    "RE" here means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive"?
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    – MJD
    Jan 10 at 15:49












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    yes. "RE" means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive
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    – Ofir Cohen
    Jan 10 at 15:54


















  • $begingroup$
    "RE" here means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive"?
    $endgroup$
    – MJD
    Jan 10 at 15:49












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    yes. "RE" means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive
    $endgroup$
    – Ofir Cohen
    Jan 10 at 15:54
















$begingroup$
"RE" here means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive"?
$endgroup$
– MJD
Jan 10 at 15:49






$begingroup$
"RE" here means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive"?
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– MJD
Jan 10 at 15:49














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yes. "RE" means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive
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– Ofir Cohen
Jan 10 at 15:54




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yes. "RE" means "recursively enumerable" and "R" means "recursive
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– Ofir Cohen
Jan 10 at 15:54










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Let $widetilde{L}notinmbox{RE}$ have alphabet $widetilde{Sigma}$. We define $Sigma:={0,1}timeswidetilde{Sigma}$. Then for $iin{0,1}$ we define $widetilde{L_i}:={(i,c_1)(i,c_2)...(i,c_n):c_1c_2...c_ninwidetilde{L}}notinmbox{RE}$. We can consider the languages $L_1:=widetilde{L_0}$, $L_2:=({0}timeswidetilde{Sigma})^*$ and $L_3:=L_2cupwidetilde{L_1}$ which have alphabet $Sigma$. We get $L_1subseteq L_2subseteq L_3$ and $L_1,L_3notinmbox{RE}$, but $L_2inmbox{R}$.






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    Let $H$ be a suitably chosen non-RE set and let $R$ be recursive. Then $$Hcap R subsetneq Rsubsetneq Hcup R.$$






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      Let $widetilde{L}notinmbox{RE}$ have alphabet $widetilde{Sigma}$. We define $Sigma:={0,1}timeswidetilde{Sigma}$. Then for $iin{0,1}$ we define $widetilde{L_i}:={(i,c_1)(i,c_2)...(i,c_n):c_1c_2...c_ninwidetilde{L}}notinmbox{RE}$. We can consider the languages $L_1:=widetilde{L_0}$, $L_2:=({0}timeswidetilde{Sigma})^*$ and $L_3:=L_2cupwidetilde{L_1}$ which have alphabet $Sigma$. We get $L_1subseteq L_2subseteq L_3$ and $L_1,L_3notinmbox{RE}$, but $L_2inmbox{R}$.






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        Let $widetilde{L}notinmbox{RE}$ have alphabet $widetilde{Sigma}$. We define $Sigma:={0,1}timeswidetilde{Sigma}$. Then for $iin{0,1}$ we define $widetilde{L_i}:={(i,c_1)(i,c_2)...(i,c_n):c_1c_2...c_ninwidetilde{L}}notinmbox{RE}$. We can consider the languages $L_1:=widetilde{L_0}$, $L_2:=({0}timeswidetilde{Sigma})^*$ and $L_3:=L_2cupwidetilde{L_1}$ which have alphabet $Sigma$. We get $L_1subseteq L_2subseteq L_3$ and $L_1,L_3notinmbox{RE}$, but $L_2inmbox{R}$.






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          Let $widetilde{L}notinmbox{RE}$ have alphabet $widetilde{Sigma}$. We define $Sigma:={0,1}timeswidetilde{Sigma}$. Then for $iin{0,1}$ we define $widetilde{L_i}:={(i,c_1)(i,c_2)...(i,c_n):c_1c_2...c_ninwidetilde{L}}notinmbox{RE}$. We can consider the languages $L_1:=widetilde{L_0}$, $L_2:=({0}timeswidetilde{Sigma})^*$ and $L_3:=L_2cupwidetilde{L_1}$ which have alphabet $Sigma$. We get $L_1subseteq L_2subseteq L_3$ and $L_1,L_3notinmbox{RE}$, but $L_2inmbox{R}$.






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          Let $widetilde{L}notinmbox{RE}$ have alphabet $widetilde{Sigma}$. We define $Sigma:={0,1}timeswidetilde{Sigma}$. Then for $iin{0,1}$ we define $widetilde{L_i}:={(i,c_1)(i,c_2)...(i,c_n):c_1c_2...c_ninwidetilde{L}}notinmbox{RE}$. We can consider the languages $L_1:=widetilde{L_0}$, $L_2:=({0}timeswidetilde{Sigma})^*$ and $L_3:=L_2cupwidetilde{L_1}$ which have alphabet $Sigma$. We get $L_1subseteq L_2subseteq L_3$ and $L_1,L_3notinmbox{RE}$, but $L_2inmbox{R}$.







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              Let $H$ be a suitably chosen non-RE set and let $R$ be recursive. Then $$Hcap R subsetneq Rsubsetneq Hcup R.$$






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                Let $H$ be a suitably chosen non-RE set and let $R$ be recursive. Then $$Hcap R subsetneq Rsubsetneq Hcup R.$$






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                  Let $H$ be a suitably chosen non-RE set and let $R$ be recursive. Then $$Hcap R subsetneq Rsubsetneq Hcup R.$$






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                  Let $H$ be a suitably chosen non-RE set and let $R$ be recursive. Then $$Hcap R subsetneq Rsubsetneq Hcup R.$$







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