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I have the following parabola $$ P:y^2 − 6x − 6y + 3 = 0.$$ How can I find the tangent parallel to line $ell: 3x − 2y + 7 = 0$?




I wouldn't have any problem with this problem if there was only one variable but how does this work with 2? Do I have to divert the parabola twice?










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I have the following parabola $$ P:y^2 − 6x − 6y + 3 = 0.$$ How can I find the tangent parallel to line $ell: 3x − 2y + 7 = 0$?




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I have the following parabola $$ P:y^2 − 6x − 6y + 3 = 0.$$ How can I find the tangent parallel to line $ell: 3x − 2y + 7 = 0$?




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I have the following parabola $$ P:y^2 − 6x − 6y + 3 = 0.$$ How can I find the tangent parallel to line $ell: 3x − 2y + 7 = 0$?




I wouldn't have any problem with this problem if there was only one variable but how does this work with 2? Do I have to divert the parabola twice?







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$P:y^2 − 6x − 6y + 3 = 0, ell: 3x − 2y + 7 = 0$



Note that these are still curves in the $xy$ plane, just not given in the conventional $y=f(x)$ form. This is called the implicit expression of a curve.



The slope of the tangent should be $frac32$. Differentiate the equation of $P$ with respect to $x$,



$2yy'-6-6y'=0implies y'=frac3{y-3}=frac32implies y-3=2$ or $y=5$



$y^2-6x-6y+3=0implies 25-6x-30+3=0implies x=-frac13$



The required tangent passes through $(-frac13,5)$. Its equation is $y-5=frac32(x+frac13)implies y=frac32x+frac{11}2$






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    So the slope of a line is $3/2$ so a tangenthas equation $y=3x/2 +n$.



    Since $3x = 2y-2n$ we have quadratic equation on $y$ with parameter $$y^2-6y+3 -2(2y-2n)=0$$
    or
    $$y^2-10y+3 +4n=0$$
    since it must have only one solution, a discriminant is 0:



    $$ 100-4(3+4n)=0implies n=11/2$$



    so the equation of tangent is $boxed{y={3over 2}x +{11over 2}}$.






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    The tangent line to this parabola at a point $(x_0,y_0)$ on it is given by the equation $$yy_0-3(x+x_0)-3(y+y_0)+3=0. tag 1$$ (There’s a simple substitution rule to obtain the tangent to any conic given its implicit Cartesian equation.) Rearrange this equation into $$-3x+(y_0-3)y-3(x_0+y_0+3)=0.$$ Comparing its coefficients to those of the parallel line equation we have $y_0-3=2$. Substitute the resulting value of $y_0$ into the parabola’s equation and solve for $x_0$, then substitute both into equation (1).






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      $P:y^2 − 6x − 6y + 3 = 0, ell: 3x − 2y + 7 = 0$



      Note that these are still curves in the $xy$ plane, just not given in the conventional $y=f(x)$ form. This is called the implicit expression of a curve.



      The slope of the tangent should be $frac32$. Differentiate the equation of $P$ with respect to $x$,



      $2yy'-6-6y'=0implies y'=frac3{y-3}=frac32implies y-3=2$ or $y=5$



      $y^2-6x-6y+3=0implies 25-6x-30+3=0implies x=-frac13$



      The required tangent passes through $(-frac13,5)$. Its equation is $y-5=frac32(x+frac13)implies y=frac32x+frac{11}2$






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        $P:y^2 − 6x − 6y + 3 = 0, ell: 3x − 2y + 7 = 0$



        Note that these are still curves in the $xy$ plane, just not given in the conventional $y=f(x)$ form. This is called the implicit expression of a curve.



        The slope of the tangent should be $frac32$. Differentiate the equation of $P$ with respect to $x$,



        $2yy'-6-6y'=0implies y'=frac3{y-3}=frac32implies y-3=2$ or $y=5$



        $y^2-6x-6y+3=0implies 25-6x-30+3=0implies x=-frac13$



        The required tangent passes through $(-frac13,5)$. Its equation is $y-5=frac32(x+frac13)implies y=frac32x+frac{11}2$






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          up vote
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          $P:y^2 − 6x − 6y + 3 = 0, ell: 3x − 2y + 7 = 0$



          Note that these are still curves in the $xy$ plane, just not given in the conventional $y=f(x)$ form. This is called the implicit expression of a curve.



          The slope of the tangent should be $frac32$. Differentiate the equation of $P$ with respect to $x$,



          $2yy'-6-6y'=0implies y'=frac3{y-3}=frac32implies y-3=2$ or $y=5$



          $y^2-6x-6y+3=0implies 25-6x-30+3=0implies x=-frac13$



          The required tangent passes through $(-frac13,5)$. Its equation is $y-5=frac32(x+frac13)implies y=frac32x+frac{11}2$






          share|cite|improve this answer












          $P:y^2 − 6x − 6y + 3 = 0, ell: 3x − 2y + 7 = 0$



          Note that these are still curves in the $xy$ plane, just not given in the conventional $y=f(x)$ form. This is called the implicit expression of a curve.



          The slope of the tangent should be $frac32$. Differentiate the equation of $P$ with respect to $x$,



          $2yy'-6-6y'=0implies y'=frac3{y-3}=frac32implies y-3=2$ or $y=5$



          $y^2-6x-6y+3=0implies 25-6x-30+3=0implies x=-frac13$



          The required tangent passes through $(-frac13,5)$. Its equation is $y-5=frac32(x+frac13)implies y=frac32x+frac{11}2$







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              So the slope of a line is $3/2$ so a tangenthas equation $y=3x/2 +n$.



              Since $3x = 2y-2n$ we have quadratic equation on $y$ with parameter $$y^2-6y+3 -2(2y-2n)=0$$
              or
              $$y^2-10y+3 +4n=0$$
              since it must have only one solution, a discriminant is 0:



              $$ 100-4(3+4n)=0implies n=11/2$$



              so the equation of tangent is $boxed{y={3over 2}x +{11over 2}}$.






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              • $y^2-6y+3-2(2y-2n)=0$
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              So the slope of a line is $3/2$ so a tangenthas equation $y=3x/2 +n$.



              Since $3x = 2y-2n$ we have quadratic equation on $y$ with parameter $$y^2-6y+3 -2(2y-2n)=0$$
              or
              $$y^2-10y+3 +4n=0$$
              since it must have only one solution, a discriminant is 0:



              $$ 100-4(3+4n)=0implies n=11/2$$



              so the equation of tangent is $boxed{y={3over 2}x +{11over 2}}$.






              share|cite|improve this answer























              • $y^2-6y+3-2(2y-2n)=0$
                – Shubham Johri
                Dec 3 at 15:39













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              So the slope of a line is $3/2$ so a tangenthas equation $y=3x/2 +n$.



              Since $3x = 2y-2n$ we have quadratic equation on $y$ with parameter $$y^2-6y+3 -2(2y-2n)=0$$
              or
              $$y^2-10y+3 +4n=0$$
              since it must have only one solution, a discriminant is 0:



              $$ 100-4(3+4n)=0implies n=11/2$$



              so the equation of tangent is $boxed{y={3over 2}x +{11over 2}}$.






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              So the slope of a line is $3/2$ so a tangenthas equation $y=3x/2 +n$.



              Since $3x = 2y-2n$ we have quadratic equation on $y$ with parameter $$y^2-6y+3 -2(2y-2n)=0$$
              or
              $$y^2-10y+3 +4n=0$$
              since it must have only one solution, a discriminant is 0:



              $$ 100-4(3+4n)=0implies n=11/2$$



              so the equation of tangent is $boxed{y={3over 2}x +{11over 2}}$.







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              • $y^2-6y+3-2(2y-2n)=0$
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              • $y^2-6y+3-2(2y-2n)=0$
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              $y^2-6y+3-2(2y-2n)=0$
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              $y^2-6y+3-2(2y-2n)=0$
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              The tangent line to this parabola at a point $(x_0,y_0)$ on it is given by the equation $$yy_0-3(x+x_0)-3(y+y_0)+3=0. tag 1$$ (There’s a simple substitution rule to obtain the tangent to any conic given its implicit Cartesian equation.) Rearrange this equation into $$-3x+(y_0-3)y-3(x_0+y_0+3)=0.$$ Comparing its coefficients to those of the parallel line equation we have $y_0-3=2$. Substitute the resulting value of $y_0$ into the parabola’s equation and solve for $x_0$, then substitute both into equation (1).






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                The tangent line to this parabola at a point $(x_0,y_0)$ on it is given by the equation $$yy_0-3(x+x_0)-3(y+y_0)+3=0. tag 1$$ (There’s a simple substitution rule to obtain the tangent to any conic given its implicit Cartesian equation.) Rearrange this equation into $$-3x+(y_0-3)y-3(x_0+y_0+3)=0.$$ Comparing its coefficients to those of the parallel line equation we have $y_0-3=2$. Substitute the resulting value of $y_0$ into the parabola’s equation and solve for $x_0$, then substitute both into equation (1).






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                  The tangent line to this parabola at a point $(x_0,y_0)$ on it is given by the equation $$yy_0-3(x+x_0)-3(y+y_0)+3=0. tag 1$$ (There’s a simple substitution rule to obtain the tangent to any conic given its implicit Cartesian equation.) Rearrange this equation into $$-3x+(y_0-3)y-3(x_0+y_0+3)=0.$$ Comparing its coefficients to those of the parallel line equation we have $y_0-3=2$. Substitute the resulting value of $y_0$ into the parabola’s equation and solve for $x_0$, then substitute both into equation (1).






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                  The tangent line to this parabola at a point $(x_0,y_0)$ on it is given by the equation $$yy_0-3(x+x_0)-3(y+y_0)+3=0. tag 1$$ (There’s a simple substitution rule to obtain the tangent to any conic given its implicit Cartesian equation.) Rearrange this equation into $$-3x+(y_0-3)y-3(x_0+y_0+3)=0.$$ Comparing its coefficients to those of the parallel line equation we have $y_0-3=2$. Substitute the resulting value of $y_0$ into the parabola’s equation and solve for $x_0$, then substitute both into equation (1).







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