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A square board is divided into 16 equal squares by lines drawn parallel to its sides. A counter is placed at random on one of these squares and is then moved n times. At each of these moves, it can be transferred to any neighbouring square, horizontally, vertically, or diagonally, all such moves being equally likely.



Let $c_{n}$ be the probability that a particular corner site is occupied after n such independent moves, and let the corresponding probabilities for an intermediate site at the side of the board and for a site in the middle of the board be $s_{n}$ and $m_{n}$, respectively. Show that $$4c_{n}+8s_{n}+4m_{n} = 1, n =0,1,2,...$$
and that
$$ c_{n}=frac{2}{5}s_{n-1}+frac{1}{8}m_{n-1}, n = 1,2,...$$
Find two other relations for $s_{n}$ and $m_{n}$ in terms of $c_{n-1}, s_{n-1},$ and $m_{n-1}$ -> ok, I found it



And hence find $c_{n},s_{n},$ and $m_{n}$. -> how to do it by iteration ? and in what form should be the final answer ?



edit : I don't ask you to resolve it for me, i would like to receive a hint, I am not used to the linear recurrence relation.
I am lost and I don't know what to do. I substituted the $m_{n-1}$ and $s_{n-1}$ in $c_{n}$, do I need to make an induction proof ? Do I need to use a special method ?










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A square board is divided into 16 equal squares by lines drawn parallel to its sides. A counter is placed at random on one of these squares and is then moved n times. At each of these moves, it can be transferred to any neighbouring square, horizontally, vertically, or diagonally, all such moves being equally likely.



Let $c_{n}$ be the probability that a particular corner site is occupied after n such independent moves, and let the corresponding probabilities for an intermediate site at the side of the board and for a site in the middle of the board be $s_{n}$ and $m_{n}$, respectively. Show that $$4c_{n}+8s_{n}+4m_{n} = 1, n =0,1,2,...$$
and that
$$ c_{n}=frac{2}{5}s_{n-1}+frac{1}{8}m_{n-1}, n = 1,2,...$$
Find two other relations for $s_{n}$ and $m_{n}$ in terms of $c_{n-1}, s_{n-1},$ and $m_{n-1}$ -> ok, I found it



And hence find $c_{n},s_{n},$ and $m_{n}$. -> how to do it by iteration ? and in what form should be the final answer ?



edit : I don't ask you to resolve it for me, i would like to receive a hint, I am not used to the linear recurrence relation.
I am lost and I don't know what to do. I substituted the $m_{n-1}$ and $s_{n-1}$ in $c_{n}$, do I need to make an induction proof ? Do I need to use a special method ?










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A square board is divided into 16 equal squares by lines drawn parallel to its sides. A counter is placed at random on one of these squares and is then moved n times. At each of these moves, it can be transferred to any neighbouring square, horizontally, vertically, or diagonally, all such moves being equally likely.



Let $c_{n}$ be the probability that a particular corner site is occupied after n such independent moves, and let the corresponding probabilities for an intermediate site at the side of the board and for a site in the middle of the board be $s_{n}$ and $m_{n}$, respectively. Show that $$4c_{n}+8s_{n}+4m_{n} = 1, n =0,1,2,...$$
and that
$$ c_{n}=frac{2}{5}s_{n-1}+frac{1}{8}m_{n-1}, n = 1,2,...$$
Find two other relations for $s_{n}$ and $m_{n}$ in terms of $c_{n-1}, s_{n-1},$ and $m_{n-1}$ -> ok, I found it



And hence find $c_{n},s_{n},$ and $m_{n}$. -> how to do it by iteration ? and in what form should be the final answer ?



edit : I don't ask you to resolve it for me, i would like to receive a hint, I am not used to the linear recurrence relation.
I am lost and I don't know what to do. I substituted the $m_{n-1}$ and $s_{n-1}$ in $c_{n}$, do I need to make an induction proof ? Do I need to use a special method ?










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A square board is divided into 16 equal squares by lines drawn parallel to its sides. A counter is placed at random on one of these squares and is then moved n times. At each of these moves, it can be transferred to any neighbouring square, horizontally, vertically, or diagonally, all such moves being equally likely.



Let $c_{n}$ be the probability that a particular corner site is occupied after n such independent moves, and let the corresponding probabilities for an intermediate site at the side of the board and for a site in the middle of the board be $s_{n}$ and $m_{n}$, respectively. Show that $$4c_{n}+8s_{n}+4m_{n} = 1, n =0,1,2,...$$
and that
$$ c_{n}=frac{2}{5}s_{n-1}+frac{1}{8}m_{n-1}, n = 1,2,...$$
Find two other relations for $s_{n}$ and $m_{n}$ in terms of $c_{n-1}, s_{n-1},$ and $m_{n-1}$ -> ok, I found it



And hence find $c_{n},s_{n},$ and $m_{n}$. -> how to do it by iteration ? and in what form should be the final answer ?



edit : I don't ask you to resolve it for me, i would like to receive a hint, I am not used to the linear recurrence relation.
I am lost and I don't know what to do. I substituted the $m_{n-1}$ and $s_{n-1}$ in $c_{n}$, do I need to make an induction proof ? Do I need to use a special method ?







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The first statement, $$4c_n + 8s_n + 4m_n = 1$$ is simply the statement that the counter must be on the board after $n$ moves. This should be obvious if you draw out the $4times4$ board and label the squares with $c,m$ and $s$. At this step it's also worth noting that since the counter is placed on the board at random (i.e. all squares can be chosen equally) we have $$c_0 = s_0 = m_0 = 1/16$$



For the second statement, we look at how at counter can, on the $n^{mbox {th}}$ turn move to a corner square. There are three squares adjacent to a corner, two side squares and one middle-square. So if the counter was on a side square on at the end of move $n-1$ it has $5$ squares it can move to on move $n$, one of which is our corner square. Similarly, if it's on the middle square there is a $1/8$ chance of the counter moving to our corner square. So, $$c_n = frac{2}{5}s_{n-1} + frac{1}{8}m_{n-1}$$
where the factor of $2$ comes from there being two side squares that can reach the corner.



You say you've found the formulae for $s_n$ and $m_n$ so I won't take this further, but they're done using the same considerations: where can the counter be at the end of move $n-1$? and what's the probability of it moving onto a side (or middle) square?



So, to complete finding $c_n, s_n$ and $m_n$ you need to use the initial state: $c_0, s_0$ and $m_0$ and your formulae. We know that $$c_n = frac{2}{5}s_{n-1} + frac{1}{8}m_{n-1}$$ so we have that $$c_1 = frac{2}{5}cdot frac{1}{16} + frac{1}{8}cdot frac{1}{16} = frac{21}{640}$$ For $c_2$ you have to substitute in your formulae for $s_1$ and $m_1$ and then solve for $c_2$. This can then be generalised to allow you to solve for $c_n$, $s_n$ and $m_n$.






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  • Thank you postmortes. Isn't $c_{1}=frac{2}{5}frac{8}{16}+frac{1}{8}frac{4}{8}$ ?
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  • It can't be: $4c_0 +8s_0 +4m_0 =1$ by the first statement, so $c_0=s_0=m_0=1/16$.
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  • ok, so is it correct that $m_n=3m_{n-1}frac{3}{8}+c_{n-1}frac{1}{3}+4s_{n-1}frac{2}{5}, s_n=2s_{n-1}frac{2}{5}+c_{n-1}frac{2}{3}+2m_{n-1}frac{4}{8}$ ? so $s_1=frac{37}{240}$ and $m_1=frac{367}{1920}$ and so $c_2=frac{6571}{76800}$ ?
    – Wasp
    Dec 9 at 13:58












  • No, it can't be. If you calculate $8s_1$ with your value you get $1.233333ldots$. But $4c_1 + 8s_1 + 4m_1 =1 $ still
    – postmortes
    Dec 9 at 14:10










  • @Did thanks for the edit :)
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The first statement, $$4c_n + 8s_n + 4m_n = 1$$ is simply the statement that the counter must be on the board after $n$ moves. This should be obvious if you draw out the $4times4$ board and label the squares with $c,m$ and $s$. At this step it's also worth noting that since the counter is placed on the board at random (i.e. all squares can be chosen equally) we have $$c_0 = s_0 = m_0 = 1/16$$



For the second statement, we look at how at counter can, on the $n^{mbox {th}}$ turn move to a corner square. There are three squares adjacent to a corner, two side squares and one middle-square. So if the counter was on a side square on at the end of move $n-1$ it has $5$ squares it can move to on move $n$, one of which is our corner square. Similarly, if it's on the middle square there is a $1/8$ chance of the counter moving to our corner square. So, $$c_n = frac{2}{5}s_{n-1} + frac{1}{8}m_{n-1}$$
where the factor of $2$ comes from there being two side squares that can reach the corner.



You say you've found the formulae for $s_n$ and $m_n$ so I won't take this further, but they're done using the same considerations: where can the counter be at the end of move $n-1$? and what's the probability of it moving onto a side (or middle) square?



So, to complete finding $c_n, s_n$ and $m_n$ you need to use the initial state: $c_0, s_0$ and $m_0$ and your formulae. We know that $$c_n = frac{2}{5}s_{n-1} + frac{1}{8}m_{n-1}$$ so we have that $$c_1 = frac{2}{5}cdot frac{1}{16} + frac{1}{8}cdot frac{1}{16} = frac{21}{640}$$ For $c_2$ you have to substitute in your formulae for $s_1$ and $m_1$ and then solve for $c_2$. This can then be generalised to allow you to solve for $c_n$, $s_n$ and $m_n$.






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  • Thank you postmortes. Isn't $c_{1}=frac{2}{5}frac{8}{16}+frac{1}{8}frac{4}{8}$ ?
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    Dec 9 at 13:33












  • It can't be: $4c_0 +8s_0 +4m_0 =1$ by the first statement, so $c_0=s_0=m_0=1/16$.
    – postmortes
    Dec 9 at 13:37










  • ok, so is it correct that $m_n=3m_{n-1}frac{3}{8}+c_{n-1}frac{1}{3}+4s_{n-1}frac{2}{5}, s_n=2s_{n-1}frac{2}{5}+c_{n-1}frac{2}{3}+2m_{n-1}frac{4}{8}$ ? so $s_1=frac{37}{240}$ and $m_1=frac{367}{1920}$ and so $c_2=frac{6571}{76800}$ ?
    – Wasp
    Dec 9 at 13:58












  • No, it can't be. If you calculate $8s_1$ with your value you get $1.233333ldots$. But $4c_1 + 8s_1 + 4m_1 =1 $ still
    – postmortes
    Dec 9 at 14:10










  • @Did thanks for the edit :)
    – postmortes
    Dec 9 at 17:30
















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The first statement, $$4c_n + 8s_n + 4m_n = 1$$ is simply the statement that the counter must be on the board after $n$ moves. This should be obvious if you draw out the $4times4$ board and label the squares with $c,m$ and $s$. At this step it's also worth noting that since the counter is placed on the board at random (i.e. all squares can be chosen equally) we have $$c_0 = s_0 = m_0 = 1/16$$



For the second statement, we look at how at counter can, on the $n^{mbox {th}}$ turn move to a corner square. There are three squares adjacent to a corner, two side squares and one middle-square. So if the counter was on a side square on at the end of move $n-1$ it has $5$ squares it can move to on move $n$, one of which is our corner square. Similarly, if it's on the middle square there is a $1/8$ chance of the counter moving to our corner square. So, $$c_n = frac{2}{5}s_{n-1} + frac{1}{8}m_{n-1}$$
where the factor of $2$ comes from there being two side squares that can reach the corner.



You say you've found the formulae for $s_n$ and $m_n$ so I won't take this further, but they're done using the same considerations: where can the counter be at the end of move $n-1$? and what's the probability of it moving onto a side (or middle) square?



So, to complete finding $c_n, s_n$ and $m_n$ you need to use the initial state: $c_0, s_0$ and $m_0$ and your formulae. We know that $$c_n = frac{2}{5}s_{n-1} + frac{1}{8}m_{n-1}$$ so we have that $$c_1 = frac{2}{5}cdot frac{1}{16} + frac{1}{8}cdot frac{1}{16} = frac{21}{640}$$ For $c_2$ you have to substitute in your formulae for $s_1$ and $m_1$ and then solve for $c_2$. This can then be generalised to allow you to solve for $c_n$, $s_n$ and $m_n$.






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  • Thank you postmortes. Isn't $c_{1}=frac{2}{5}frac{8}{16}+frac{1}{8}frac{4}{8}$ ?
    – Wasp
    Dec 9 at 13:33












  • It can't be: $4c_0 +8s_0 +4m_0 =1$ by the first statement, so $c_0=s_0=m_0=1/16$.
    – postmortes
    Dec 9 at 13:37










  • ok, so is it correct that $m_n=3m_{n-1}frac{3}{8}+c_{n-1}frac{1}{3}+4s_{n-1}frac{2}{5}, s_n=2s_{n-1}frac{2}{5}+c_{n-1}frac{2}{3}+2m_{n-1}frac{4}{8}$ ? so $s_1=frac{37}{240}$ and $m_1=frac{367}{1920}$ and so $c_2=frac{6571}{76800}$ ?
    – Wasp
    Dec 9 at 13:58












  • No, it can't be. If you calculate $8s_1$ with your value you get $1.233333ldots$. But $4c_1 + 8s_1 + 4m_1 =1 $ still
    – postmortes
    Dec 9 at 14:10










  • @Did thanks for the edit :)
    – postmortes
    Dec 9 at 17:30














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The first statement, $$4c_n + 8s_n + 4m_n = 1$$ is simply the statement that the counter must be on the board after $n$ moves. This should be obvious if you draw out the $4times4$ board and label the squares with $c,m$ and $s$. At this step it's also worth noting that since the counter is placed on the board at random (i.e. all squares can be chosen equally) we have $$c_0 = s_0 = m_0 = 1/16$$



For the second statement, we look at how at counter can, on the $n^{mbox {th}}$ turn move to a corner square. There are three squares adjacent to a corner, two side squares and one middle-square. So if the counter was on a side square on at the end of move $n-1$ it has $5$ squares it can move to on move $n$, one of which is our corner square. Similarly, if it's on the middle square there is a $1/8$ chance of the counter moving to our corner square. So, $$c_n = frac{2}{5}s_{n-1} + frac{1}{8}m_{n-1}$$
where the factor of $2$ comes from there being two side squares that can reach the corner.



You say you've found the formulae for $s_n$ and $m_n$ so I won't take this further, but they're done using the same considerations: where can the counter be at the end of move $n-1$? and what's the probability of it moving onto a side (or middle) square?



So, to complete finding $c_n, s_n$ and $m_n$ you need to use the initial state: $c_0, s_0$ and $m_0$ and your formulae. We know that $$c_n = frac{2}{5}s_{n-1} + frac{1}{8}m_{n-1}$$ so we have that $$c_1 = frac{2}{5}cdot frac{1}{16} + frac{1}{8}cdot frac{1}{16} = frac{21}{640}$$ For $c_2$ you have to substitute in your formulae for $s_1$ and $m_1$ and then solve for $c_2$. This can then be generalised to allow you to solve for $c_n$, $s_n$ and $m_n$.






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The first statement, $$4c_n + 8s_n + 4m_n = 1$$ is simply the statement that the counter must be on the board after $n$ moves. This should be obvious if you draw out the $4times4$ board and label the squares with $c,m$ and $s$. At this step it's also worth noting that since the counter is placed on the board at random (i.e. all squares can be chosen equally) we have $$c_0 = s_0 = m_0 = 1/16$$



For the second statement, we look at how at counter can, on the $n^{mbox {th}}$ turn move to a corner square. There are three squares adjacent to a corner, two side squares and one middle-square. So if the counter was on a side square on at the end of move $n-1$ it has $5$ squares it can move to on move $n$, one of which is our corner square. Similarly, if it's on the middle square there is a $1/8$ chance of the counter moving to our corner square. So, $$c_n = frac{2}{5}s_{n-1} + frac{1}{8}m_{n-1}$$
where the factor of $2$ comes from there being two side squares that can reach the corner.



You say you've found the formulae for $s_n$ and $m_n$ so I won't take this further, but they're done using the same considerations: where can the counter be at the end of move $n-1$? and what's the probability of it moving onto a side (or middle) square?



So, to complete finding $c_n, s_n$ and $m_n$ you need to use the initial state: $c_0, s_0$ and $m_0$ and your formulae. We know that $$c_n = frac{2}{5}s_{n-1} + frac{1}{8}m_{n-1}$$ so we have that $$c_1 = frac{2}{5}cdot frac{1}{16} + frac{1}{8}cdot frac{1}{16} = frac{21}{640}$$ For $c_2$ you have to substitute in your formulae for $s_1$ and $m_1$ and then solve for $c_2$. This can then be generalised to allow you to solve for $c_n$, $s_n$ and $m_n$.







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  • Thank you postmortes. Isn't $c_{1}=frac{2}{5}frac{8}{16}+frac{1}{8}frac{4}{8}$ ?
    – Wasp
    Dec 9 at 13:33












  • It can't be: $4c_0 +8s_0 +4m_0 =1$ by the first statement, so $c_0=s_0=m_0=1/16$.
    – postmortes
    Dec 9 at 13:37










  • ok, so is it correct that $m_n=3m_{n-1}frac{3}{8}+c_{n-1}frac{1}{3}+4s_{n-1}frac{2}{5}, s_n=2s_{n-1}frac{2}{5}+c_{n-1}frac{2}{3}+2m_{n-1}frac{4}{8}$ ? so $s_1=frac{37}{240}$ and $m_1=frac{367}{1920}$ and so $c_2=frac{6571}{76800}$ ?
    – Wasp
    Dec 9 at 13:58












  • No, it can't be. If you calculate $8s_1$ with your value you get $1.233333ldots$. But $4c_1 + 8s_1 + 4m_1 =1 $ still
    – postmortes
    Dec 9 at 14:10










  • @Did thanks for the edit :)
    – postmortes
    Dec 9 at 17:30


















  • Thank you postmortes. Isn't $c_{1}=frac{2}{5}frac{8}{16}+frac{1}{8}frac{4}{8}$ ?
    – Wasp
    Dec 9 at 13:33












  • It can't be: $4c_0 +8s_0 +4m_0 =1$ by the first statement, so $c_0=s_0=m_0=1/16$.
    – postmortes
    Dec 9 at 13:37










  • ok, so is it correct that $m_n=3m_{n-1}frac{3}{8}+c_{n-1}frac{1}{3}+4s_{n-1}frac{2}{5}, s_n=2s_{n-1}frac{2}{5}+c_{n-1}frac{2}{3}+2m_{n-1}frac{4}{8}$ ? so $s_1=frac{37}{240}$ and $m_1=frac{367}{1920}$ and so $c_2=frac{6571}{76800}$ ?
    – Wasp
    Dec 9 at 13:58












  • No, it can't be. If you calculate $8s_1$ with your value you get $1.233333ldots$. But $4c_1 + 8s_1 + 4m_1 =1 $ still
    – postmortes
    Dec 9 at 14:10










  • @Did thanks for the edit :)
    – postmortes
    Dec 9 at 17:30
















Thank you postmortes. Isn't $c_{1}=frac{2}{5}frac{8}{16}+frac{1}{8}frac{4}{8}$ ?
– Wasp
Dec 9 at 13:33






Thank you postmortes. Isn't $c_{1}=frac{2}{5}frac{8}{16}+frac{1}{8}frac{4}{8}$ ?
– Wasp
Dec 9 at 13:33














It can't be: $4c_0 +8s_0 +4m_0 =1$ by the first statement, so $c_0=s_0=m_0=1/16$.
– postmortes
Dec 9 at 13:37




It can't be: $4c_0 +8s_0 +4m_0 =1$ by the first statement, so $c_0=s_0=m_0=1/16$.
– postmortes
Dec 9 at 13:37












ok, so is it correct that $m_n=3m_{n-1}frac{3}{8}+c_{n-1}frac{1}{3}+4s_{n-1}frac{2}{5}, s_n=2s_{n-1}frac{2}{5}+c_{n-1}frac{2}{3}+2m_{n-1}frac{4}{8}$ ? so $s_1=frac{37}{240}$ and $m_1=frac{367}{1920}$ and so $c_2=frac{6571}{76800}$ ?
– Wasp
Dec 9 at 13:58






ok, so is it correct that $m_n=3m_{n-1}frac{3}{8}+c_{n-1}frac{1}{3}+4s_{n-1}frac{2}{5}, s_n=2s_{n-1}frac{2}{5}+c_{n-1}frac{2}{3}+2m_{n-1}frac{4}{8}$ ? so $s_1=frac{37}{240}$ and $m_1=frac{367}{1920}$ and so $c_2=frac{6571}{76800}$ ?
– Wasp
Dec 9 at 13:58














No, it can't be. If you calculate $8s_1$ with your value you get $1.233333ldots$. But $4c_1 + 8s_1 + 4m_1 =1 $ still
– postmortes
Dec 9 at 14:10




No, it can't be. If you calculate $8s_1$ with your value you get $1.233333ldots$. But $4c_1 + 8s_1 + 4m_1 =1 $ still
– postmortes
Dec 9 at 14:10












@Did thanks for the edit :)
– postmortes
Dec 9 at 17:30




@Did thanks for the edit :)
– postmortes
Dec 9 at 17:30


















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