Characterising $langle x,yrangle = langle x,xrangle cdot langle y,yrangle$
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Is it possible to give a nice characterisation of all couples $(x,y) in mathbb{R}^{2n}$ such that :
$$langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle?$$
$langle,rangle$ is the euclidian inner product on $mathbb{R}^n$.
Here are some thoughts :
With the intuition : $langle x,yrangle = $ the length of the projection of $x$ onto $y times$ the length of $y$. It would mean that the above equality means :
$$text{length projection of ... = the square of the length of }x times text{ the square of the length of }y$$
But by C-S this is possible only if the length of $y$, or $x$ is less than $1$.The condition reminds me the independence of random variables, but I don’t know if it helps.
Thank you !
linear-algebra probability abstract-algebra euclidean-geometry
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Is it possible to give a nice characterisation of all couples $(x,y) in mathbb{R}^{2n}$ such that :
$$langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle?$$
$langle,rangle$ is the euclidian inner product on $mathbb{R}^n$.
Here are some thoughts :
With the intuition : $langle x,yrangle = $ the length of the projection of $x$ onto $y times$ the length of $y$. It would mean that the above equality means :
$$text{length projection of ... = the square of the length of }x times text{ the square of the length of }y$$
But by C-S this is possible only if the length of $y$, or $x$ is less than $1$.The condition reminds me the independence of random variables, but I don’t know if it helps.
Thank you !
linear-algebra probability abstract-algebra euclidean-geometry
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What do you want? For example when $n=1$ you want a "nice characterization" of numbers $x,y$ such that $xy=x^2y^2$. What answer would you want in this case?
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– GEdgar
Dec 20 '18 at 12:23
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@GEdgar $(x,0), (0,x), (x,1/x)$, it just mean solve.
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– Thinking
Dec 20 '18 at 12:28
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@Thinking I'm not sure describing the fibre over each $y$ is what the OP had in mind. As written, it is a quartic hypersurface in $mathbb{R}^{2n}$ and that's pretty much what we usually meant by characterisation.
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– user10354138
Dec 20 '18 at 14:22
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Is it possible to give a nice characterisation of all couples $(x,y) in mathbb{R}^{2n}$ such that :
$$langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle?$$
$langle,rangle$ is the euclidian inner product on $mathbb{R}^n$.
Here are some thoughts :
With the intuition : $langle x,yrangle = $ the length of the projection of $x$ onto $y times$ the length of $y$. It would mean that the above equality means :
$$text{length projection of ... = the square of the length of }x times text{ the square of the length of }y$$
But by C-S this is possible only if the length of $y$, or $x$ is less than $1$.The condition reminds me the independence of random variables, but I don’t know if it helps.
Thank you !
linear-algebra probability abstract-algebra euclidean-geometry
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Is it possible to give a nice characterisation of all couples $(x,y) in mathbb{R}^{2n}$ such that :
$$langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle?$$
$langle,rangle$ is the euclidian inner product on $mathbb{R}^n$.
Here are some thoughts :
With the intuition : $langle x,yrangle = $ the length of the projection of $x$ onto $y times$ the length of $y$. It would mean that the above equality means :
$$text{length projection of ... = the square of the length of }x times text{ the square of the length of }y$$
But by C-S this is possible only if the length of $y$, or $x$ is less than $1$.The condition reminds me the independence of random variables, but I don’t know if it helps.
Thank you !
linear-algebra probability abstract-algebra euclidean-geometry
linear-algebra probability abstract-algebra euclidean-geometry
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What do you want? For example when $n=1$ you want a "nice characterization" of numbers $x,y$ such that $xy=x^2y^2$. What answer would you want in this case?
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– GEdgar
Dec 20 '18 at 12:23
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@GEdgar $(x,0), (0,x), (x,1/x)$, it just mean solve.
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– Thinking
Dec 20 '18 at 12:28
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@Thinking I'm not sure describing the fibre over each $y$ is what the OP had in mind. As written, it is a quartic hypersurface in $mathbb{R}^{2n}$ and that's pretty much what we usually meant by characterisation.
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– user10354138
Dec 20 '18 at 14:22
add a comment |
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What do you want? For example when $n=1$ you want a "nice characterization" of numbers $x,y$ such that $xy=x^2y^2$. What answer would you want in this case?
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– GEdgar
Dec 20 '18 at 12:23
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@GEdgar $(x,0), (0,x), (x,1/x)$, it just mean solve.
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– Thinking
Dec 20 '18 at 12:28
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@Thinking I'm not sure describing the fibre over each $y$ is what the OP had in mind. As written, it is a quartic hypersurface in $mathbb{R}^{2n}$ and that's pretty much what we usually meant by characterisation.
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– user10354138
Dec 20 '18 at 14:22
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What do you want? For example when $n=1$ you want a "nice characterization" of numbers $x,y$ such that $xy=x^2y^2$. What answer would you want in this case?
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– GEdgar
Dec 20 '18 at 12:23
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What do you want? For example when $n=1$ you want a "nice characterization" of numbers $x,y$ such that $xy=x^2y^2$. What answer would you want in this case?
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– GEdgar
Dec 20 '18 at 12:23
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@GEdgar $(x,0), (0,x), (x,1/x)$, it just mean solve.
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– Thinking
Dec 20 '18 at 12:28
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@GEdgar $(x,0), (0,x), (x,1/x)$, it just mean solve.
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– Thinking
Dec 20 '18 at 12:28
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@Thinking I'm not sure describing the fibre over each $y$ is what the OP had in mind. As written, it is a quartic hypersurface in $mathbb{R}^{2n}$ and that's pretty much what we usually meant by characterisation.
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– user10354138
Dec 20 '18 at 14:22
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@Thinking I'm not sure describing the fibre over each $y$ is what the OP had in mind. As written, it is a quartic hypersurface in $mathbb{R}^{2n}$ and that's pretty much what we usually meant by characterisation.
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– user10354138
Dec 20 '18 at 14:22
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There doesn't seem to be a nice charcarterization but you can do the following: write $x=cy+z$ $,,$ (1) with $z$ orthogonal to $y$. [We can always do this]. Using the fact that $|cy+z|^{2}=c^{2}|y|^{2}+|z|^{2}$ we can see from the given equation that $c$ satisfies a quadratic equation. Solving this gives $c$ and these steps are all reversible so whenever $x$ and $y$ have this form we get $langle x,yrangle =langle x,xrangle langle y,yrangle$. I think this is the best characterization we can get. [ We will be forced to impose a condition like $|z|leq |y|$ because a real number $c$ satisfying (1) surely exists and the discriminant of the quadratic has to be non-negative].
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The equation $langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle$ is trivially satisfied if $x=0$ or $y=0$. Therefore let us suppose that $x ne 0 ne y$. If $ phi$ is the angle between $x$ and $y$, then we have
$$ cos phi= frac{langle x,yrangle}{||x|| cdot ||y||}.$$
Then it is easy to see that
$$langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle iff langle x,yrangle = cos^2 phi.$$
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The pair $(x,y)$ satisfies $langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle$ when $y=0$. When $yneq 0$ we may set $hat y = y/langle y,yrangle$ to obtain the equation $langle x,hat y rangle = langle x,xrangle$ which is equivalent to $x$ and $hat y-x$ being orthogonal. This should remind you of Thales's theorem, as the set of all such $x$ is the sphere with diameter the line segment from $0$ to $hat y$. That is, it is the set of all $x$ satisfying
$$
left| x - frac{hat y}{2}right| = left| frac{hat y}{2}right|
$$
or in the original variables
$$
left| x - frac{y}{2langle y,yrangle}right| = left| frac{y}{2langle y,yrangle}right| = frac{1}{2|y|}.
$$
In summary for $y=0$ every $x$ is possible, for each $yneq 0$ you have all $x$ on the sphere with diameter the line segment from $0$ to $y/langle y,yrangle$.
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You really mean sphere not circle ($n$ is not necessarily $1$), and this is another way of phrasing it.
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– user10354138
Dec 20 '18 at 14:19
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You are right, thanks. I was thinking about $n=2$. Good thing Thales's theorem holds for arbitrary spheres ;-)
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– Christoph
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There doesn't seem to be a nice charcarterization but you can do the following: write $x=cy+z$ $,,$ (1) with $z$ orthogonal to $y$. [We can always do this]. Using the fact that $|cy+z|^{2}=c^{2}|y|^{2}+|z|^{2}$ we can see from the given equation that $c$ satisfies a quadratic equation. Solving this gives $c$ and these steps are all reversible so whenever $x$ and $y$ have this form we get $langle x,yrangle =langle x,xrangle langle y,yrangle$. I think this is the best characterization we can get. [ We will be forced to impose a condition like $|z|leq |y|$ because a real number $c$ satisfying (1) surely exists and the discriminant of the quadratic has to be non-negative].
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There doesn't seem to be a nice charcarterization but you can do the following: write $x=cy+z$ $,,$ (1) with $z$ orthogonal to $y$. [We can always do this]. Using the fact that $|cy+z|^{2}=c^{2}|y|^{2}+|z|^{2}$ we can see from the given equation that $c$ satisfies a quadratic equation. Solving this gives $c$ and these steps are all reversible so whenever $x$ and $y$ have this form we get $langle x,yrangle =langle x,xrangle langle y,yrangle$. I think this is the best characterization we can get. [ We will be forced to impose a condition like $|z|leq |y|$ because a real number $c$ satisfying (1) surely exists and the discriminant of the quadratic has to be non-negative].
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There doesn't seem to be a nice charcarterization but you can do the following: write $x=cy+z$ $,,$ (1) with $z$ orthogonal to $y$. [We can always do this]. Using the fact that $|cy+z|^{2}=c^{2}|y|^{2}+|z|^{2}$ we can see from the given equation that $c$ satisfies a quadratic equation. Solving this gives $c$ and these steps are all reversible so whenever $x$ and $y$ have this form we get $langle x,yrangle =langle x,xrangle langle y,yrangle$. I think this is the best characterization we can get. [ We will be forced to impose a condition like $|z|leq |y|$ because a real number $c$ satisfying (1) surely exists and the discriminant of the quadratic has to be non-negative].
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There doesn't seem to be a nice charcarterization but you can do the following: write $x=cy+z$ $,,$ (1) with $z$ orthogonal to $y$. [We can always do this]. Using the fact that $|cy+z|^{2}=c^{2}|y|^{2}+|z|^{2}$ we can see from the given equation that $c$ satisfies a quadratic equation. Solving this gives $c$ and these steps are all reversible so whenever $x$ and $y$ have this form we get $langle x,yrangle =langle x,xrangle langle y,yrangle$. I think this is the best characterization we can get. [ We will be forced to impose a condition like $|z|leq |y|$ because a real number $c$ satisfying (1) surely exists and the discriminant of the quadratic has to be non-negative].
answered Dec 20 '18 at 12:23
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The equation $langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle$ is trivially satisfied if $x=0$ or $y=0$. Therefore let us suppose that $x ne 0 ne y$. If $ phi$ is the angle between $x$ and $y$, then we have
$$ cos phi= frac{langle x,yrangle}{||x|| cdot ||y||}.$$
Then it is easy to see that
$$langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle iff langle x,yrangle = cos^2 phi.$$
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The equation $langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle$ is trivially satisfied if $x=0$ or $y=0$. Therefore let us suppose that $x ne 0 ne y$. If $ phi$ is the angle between $x$ and $y$, then we have
$$ cos phi= frac{langle x,yrangle}{||x|| cdot ||y||}.$$
Then it is easy to see that
$$langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle iff langle x,yrangle = cos^2 phi.$$
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The equation $langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle$ is trivially satisfied if $x=0$ or $y=0$. Therefore let us suppose that $x ne 0 ne y$. If $ phi$ is the angle between $x$ and $y$, then we have
$$ cos phi= frac{langle x,yrangle}{||x|| cdot ||y||}.$$
Then it is easy to see that
$$langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle iff langle x,yrangle = cos^2 phi.$$
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The equation $langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle$ is trivially satisfied if $x=0$ or $y=0$. Therefore let us suppose that $x ne 0 ne y$. If $ phi$ is the angle between $x$ and $y$, then we have
$$ cos phi= frac{langle x,yrangle}{||x|| cdot ||y||}.$$
Then it is easy to see that
$$langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle iff langle x,yrangle = cos^2 phi.$$
answered Dec 20 '18 at 12:42
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The pair $(x,y)$ satisfies $langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle$ when $y=0$. When $yneq 0$ we may set $hat y = y/langle y,yrangle$ to obtain the equation $langle x,hat y rangle = langle x,xrangle$ which is equivalent to $x$ and $hat y-x$ being orthogonal. This should remind you of Thales's theorem, as the set of all such $x$ is the sphere with diameter the line segment from $0$ to $hat y$. That is, it is the set of all $x$ satisfying
$$
left| x - frac{hat y}{2}right| = left| frac{hat y}{2}right|
$$
or in the original variables
$$
left| x - frac{y}{2langle y,yrangle}right| = left| frac{y}{2langle y,yrangle}right| = frac{1}{2|y|}.
$$
In summary for $y=0$ every $x$ is possible, for each $yneq 0$ you have all $x$ on the sphere with diameter the line segment from $0$ to $y/langle y,yrangle$.
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You really mean sphere not circle ($n$ is not necessarily $1$), and this is another way of phrasing it.
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– user10354138
Dec 20 '18 at 14:19
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You are right, thanks. I was thinking about $n=2$. Good thing Thales's theorem holds for arbitrary spheres ;-)
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– Christoph
Dec 20 '18 at 15:46
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The pair $(x,y)$ satisfies $langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle$ when $y=0$. When $yneq 0$ we may set $hat y = y/langle y,yrangle$ to obtain the equation $langle x,hat y rangle = langle x,xrangle$ which is equivalent to $x$ and $hat y-x$ being orthogonal. This should remind you of Thales's theorem, as the set of all such $x$ is the sphere with diameter the line segment from $0$ to $hat y$. That is, it is the set of all $x$ satisfying
$$
left| x - frac{hat y}{2}right| = left| frac{hat y}{2}right|
$$
or in the original variables
$$
left| x - frac{y}{2langle y,yrangle}right| = left| frac{y}{2langle y,yrangle}right| = frac{1}{2|y|}.
$$
In summary for $y=0$ every $x$ is possible, for each $yneq 0$ you have all $x$ on the sphere with diameter the line segment from $0$ to $y/langle y,yrangle$.
$endgroup$
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You really mean sphere not circle ($n$ is not necessarily $1$), and this is another way of phrasing it.
$endgroup$
– user10354138
Dec 20 '18 at 14:19
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You are right, thanks. I was thinking about $n=2$. Good thing Thales's theorem holds for arbitrary spheres ;-)
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– Christoph
Dec 20 '18 at 15:46
add a comment |
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The pair $(x,y)$ satisfies $langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle$ when $y=0$. When $yneq 0$ we may set $hat y = y/langle y,yrangle$ to obtain the equation $langle x,hat y rangle = langle x,xrangle$ which is equivalent to $x$ and $hat y-x$ being orthogonal. This should remind you of Thales's theorem, as the set of all such $x$ is the sphere with diameter the line segment from $0$ to $hat y$. That is, it is the set of all $x$ satisfying
$$
left| x - frac{hat y}{2}right| = left| frac{hat y}{2}right|
$$
or in the original variables
$$
left| x - frac{y}{2langle y,yrangle}right| = left| frac{y}{2langle y,yrangle}right| = frac{1}{2|y|}.
$$
In summary for $y=0$ every $x$ is possible, for each $yneq 0$ you have all $x$ on the sphere with diameter the line segment from $0$ to $y/langle y,yrangle$.
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The pair $(x,y)$ satisfies $langle x,yrangle = langle x,xranglelangle y,yrangle$ when $y=0$. When $yneq 0$ we may set $hat y = y/langle y,yrangle$ to obtain the equation $langle x,hat y rangle = langle x,xrangle$ which is equivalent to $x$ and $hat y-x$ being orthogonal. This should remind you of Thales's theorem, as the set of all such $x$ is the sphere with diameter the line segment from $0$ to $hat y$. That is, it is the set of all $x$ satisfying
$$
left| x - frac{hat y}{2}right| = left| frac{hat y}{2}right|
$$
or in the original variables
$$
left| x - frac{y}{2langle y,yrangle}right| = left| frac{y}{2langle y,yrangle}right| = frac{1}{2|y|}.
$$
In summary for $y=0$ every $x$ is possible, for each $yneq 0$ you have all $x$ on the sphere with diameter the line segment from $0$ to $y/langle y,yrangle$.
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answered Dec 20 '18 at 12:44
ChristophChristoph
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You really mean sphere not circle ($n$ is not necessarily $1$), and this is another way of phrasing it.
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– user10354138
Dec 20 '18 at 14:19
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You are right, thanks. I was thinking about $n=2$. Good thing Thales's theorem holds for arbitrary spheres ;-)
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– Christoph
Dec 20 '18 at 15:46
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You really mean sphere not circle ($n$ is not necessarily $1$), and this is another way of phrasing it.
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– user10354138
Dec 20 '18 at 14:19
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You are right, thanks. I was thinking about $n=2$. Good thing Thales's theorem holds for arbitrary spheres ;-)
$endgroup$
– Christoph
Dec 20 '18 at 15:46
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You really mean sphere not circle ($n$ is not necessarily $1$), and this is another way of phrasing it.
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– user10354138
Dec 20 '18 at 14:19
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You really mean sphere not circle ($n$ is not necessarily $1$), and this is another way of phrasing it.
$endgroup$
– user10354138
Dec 20 '18 at 14:19
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You are right, thanks. I was thinking about $n=2$. Good thing Thales's theorem holds for arbitrary spheres ;-)
$endgroup$
– Christoph
Dec 20 '18 at 15:46
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You are right, thanks. I was thinking about $n=2$. Good thing Thales's theorem holds for arbitrary spheres ;-)
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– Christoph
Dec 20 '18 at 15:46
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What do you want? For example when $n=1$ you want a "nice characterization" of numbers $x,y$ such that $xy=x^2y^2$. What answer would you want in this case?
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– GEdgar
Dec 20 '18 at 12:23
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@GEdgar $(x,0), (0,x), (x,1/x)$, it just mean solve.
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– Thinking
Dec 20 '18 at 12:28
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@Thinking I'm not sure describing the fibre over each $y$ is what the OP had in mind. As written, it is a quartic hypersurface in $mathbb{R}^{2n}$ and that's pretty much what we usually meant by characterisation.
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– user10354138
Dec 20 '18 at 14:22