UK work visa with pending criminal charge [closed]
I have a tier-2 work visa application in progress. I had submitted the application on 24th December and my appointment is on 3rd of January. I am an Indian citizen currently residing and working in Berlin, Germany.
I was traveling in train on 25th Dec and unfortunately forgot to purchase a valid ticket. The controller handed me over to the police who made a report/charge, for criminal offence, and gave me a fine for 60 euro. I paid the fine immediately and asked the police what will happen with the charge. They said in most cases it is scrapped and I will get the outcome by notice in about a month. I have already selected, no, as an answer for any criminal conviction/charge, in my visa application. What should I do about it ? The police said because it’s a very small offence it should not affect my visa application but I’d appreciate more input on this matter.
------EDIT-------
The document I received, states that:
In German:
Beschuldigtenvernehmung im Strafverfahren
"Erklärung. Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§163a Abs.4 StPO).(siehe Seite 2)". In a separate document the charge is "Erschleichen von Leistungen"
Ends with, "Ich gebe die Tat zu. Ich gene die Tat nicht zu" (I have selected neither)
In English:
Police questioning in criminal proceedings.
Declaration: I have been informed of the offence with which I am charged. (the offence is fraudulent acquisition of payments, in a
separate document)
Then there is information about my rights for getting a lawyer.
The document ends with wether I admit the charge or not, I have not selected anything.
uk germany working-visas criminal-records
asked Dec 28 '18 at 15:12
Ayush VermaAyush Verma
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closed as off-topic by ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn, Giorgio, David Richerby, Ali Awan, ajd Dec 31 '18 at 5:34
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I have a tier-2 work visa application in progress. I had submitted the application on 24th December and my appointment is on 3rd of January. I am an Indian citizen currently residing and working in Berlin, Germany.
I was traveling in train on 25th Dec and unfortunately forgot to purchase a valid ticket. The controller handed me over to the police who made a report/charge, for criminal offence, and gave me a fine for 60 euro. I paid the fine immediately and asked the police what will happen with the charge. They said in most cases it is scrapped and I will get the outcome by notice in about a month. I have already selected, no, as an answer for any criminal conviction/charge, in my visa application. What should I do about it ? The police said because it’s a very small offence it should not affect my visa application but I’d appreciate more input on this matter.
------EDIT-------
The document I received, states that:
In German:
Beschuldigtenvernehmung im Strafverfahren
"Erklärung. Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§163a Abs.4 StPO).(siehe Seite 2)". In a separate document the charge is "Erschleichen von Leistungen"
Ends with, "Ich gebe die Tat zu. Ich gene die Tat nicht zu" (I have selected neither)
In English:
Police questioning in criminal proceedings.
Declaration: I have been informed of the offence with which I am charged. (the offence is fraudulent acquisition of payments, in a
separate document)
Then there is information about my rights for getting a lawyer.
The document ends with wether I admit the charge or not, I have not selected anything.
uk germany working-visas criminal-records
asked Dec 28 '18 at 15:12
Ayush VermaAyush Verma
112
closed as off-topic by ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn, Giorgio, David Richerby, Ali Awan, ajd Dec 31 '18 at 5:34
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions about immigration or moving for extended periods of time (studies or employment, among others) are off-topic. Our sister site, Expatriates Stack Exchange might be a better place to ask. See also the meta post Is it OK to ask questions about immigration?." – ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn, Giorgio, David Richerby, Ali Awan, ajd
If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.
In my opinion this is trivial.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 15:16
I agree the charge is not serious. But do I need to make a new application, so that I can mention it ? @HonoraryWorldCitizen
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 15:18
In my opinion NO. Read the answer and all the comments on this question travel.stackexchange.com/questions/127094/…
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 15:36
@HonoraryWorldCitizen thank-you for that link. If I go ahead with my current application, would you suggest I mention this charge during the interview, citing the fact that it happened after I had submitted the application.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 16:04
That will be fine, and have all the documents from the court or police etc. Are personal interviews conducted for the UK visa?
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 16:06
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I have a tier-2 work visa application in progress. I had submitted the application on 24th December and my appointment is on 3rd of January. I am an Indian citizen currently residing and working in Berlin, Germany.
I was traveling in train on 25th Dec and unfortunately forgot to purchase a valid ticket. The controller handed me over to the police who made a report/charge, for criminal offence, and gave me a fine for 60 euro. I paid the fine immediately and asked the police what will happen with the charge. They said in most cases it is scrapped and I will get the outcome by notice in about a month. I have already selected, no, as an answer for any criminal conviction/charge, in my visa application. What should I do about it ? The police said because it’s a very small offence it should not affect my visa application but I’d appreciate more input on this matter.
------EDIT-------
The document I received, states that:
In German:
Beschuldigtenvernehmung im Strafverfahren
"Erklärung. Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§163a Abs.4 StPO).(siehe Seite 2)". In a separate document the charge is "Erschleichen von Leistungen"
Ends with, "Ich gebe die Tat zu. Ich gene die Tat nicht zu" (I have selected neither)
In English:
Police questioning in criminal proceedings.
Declaration: I have been informed of the offence with which I am charged. (the offence is fraudulent acquisition of payments, in a
separate document)
Then there is information about my rights for getting a lawyer.
The document ends with wether I admit the charge or not, I have not selected anything.
uk germany working-visas criminal-records
asked Dec 28 '18 at 15:12
Ayush VermaAyush Verma
112
I have a tier-2 work visa application in progress. I had submitted the application on 24th December and my appointment is on 3rd of January. I am an Indian citizen currently residing and working in Berlin, Germany.
I was traveling in train on 25th Dec and unfortunately forgot to purchase a valid ticket. The controller handed me over to the police who made a report/charge, for criminal offence, and gave me a fine for 60 euro. I paid the fine immediately and asked the police what will happen with the charge. They said in most cases it is scrapped and I will get the outcome by notice in about a month. I have already selected, no, as an answer for any criminal conviction/charge, in my visa application. What should I do about it ? The police said because it’s a very small offence it should not affect my visa application but I’d appreciate more input on this matter.
------EDIT-------
The document I received, states that:
In German:
Beschuldigtenvernehmung im Strafverfahren
"Erklärung. Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§163a Abs.4 StPO).(siehe Seite 2)". In a separate document the charge is "Erschleichen von Leistungen"
Ends with, "Ich gebe die Tat zu. Ich gene die Tat nicht zu" (I have selected neither)
In English:
Police questioning in criminal proceedings.
Declaration: I have been informed of the offence with which I am charged. (the offence is fraudulent acquisition of payments, in a
separate document)
Then there is information about my rights for getting a lawyer.
The document ends with wether I admit the charge or not, I have not selected anything.
uk germany working-visas criminal-records
uk germany working-visas criminal-records
asked Dec 28 '18 at 15:12
Ayush VermaAyush Verma
112
asked Dec 28 '18 at 15:12
Ayush VermaAyush Verma
112
edited Dec 28 '18 at 18:28
Ayush Verma
asked Dec 28 '18 at 15:12
Ayush VermaAyush Verma
112
asked Dec 28 '18 at 15:12
Ayush VermaAyush Verma
112
asked Dec 28 '18 at 15:12
Ayush VermaAyush Verma
112
112
closed as off-topic by ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn, Giorgio, David Richerby, Ali Awan, ajd Dec 31 '18 at 5:34
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions about immigration or moving for extended periods of time (studies or employment, among others) are off-topic. Our sister site, Expatriates Stack Exchange might be a better place to ask. See also the meta post Is it OK to ask questions about immigration?." – ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn, Giorgio, David Richerby, Ali Awan, ajd
If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.
closed as off-topic by ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn, Giorgio, David Richerby, Ali Awan, ajd Dec 31 '18 at 5:34
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions about immigration or moving for extended periods of time (studies or employment, among others) are off-topic. Our sister site, Expatriates Stack Exchange might be a better place to ask. See also the meta post Is it OK to ask questions about immigration?." – ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn, Giorgio, David Richerby, Ali Awan, ajd
If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.
In my opinion this is trivial.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 15:16
I agree the charge is not serious. But do I need to make a new application, so that I can mention it ? @HonoraryWorldCitizen
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 15:18
In my opinion NO. Read the answer and all the comments on this question travel.stackexchange.com/questions/127094/…
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 15:36
@HonoraryWorldCitizen thank-you for that link. If I go ahead with my current application, would you suggest I mention this charge during the interview, citing the fact that it happened after I had submitted the application.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 16:04
That will be fine, and have all the documents from the court or police etc. Are personal interviews conducted for the UK visa?
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 16:06
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In my opinion this is trivial.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 15:16
I agree the charge is not serious. But do I need to make a new application, so that I can mention it ? @HonoraryWorldCitizen
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 15:18
In my opinion NO. Read the answer and all the comments on this question travel.stackexchange.com/questions/127094/…
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 15:36
@HonoraryWorldCitizen thank-you for that link. If I go ahead with my current application, would you suggest I mention this charge during the interview, citing the fact that it happened after I had submitted the application.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 16:04
That will be fine, and have all the documents from the court or police etc. Are personal interviews conducted for the UK visa?
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 16:06
In my opinion this is trivial.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 15:16
In my opinion this is trivial.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 15:16
I agree the charge is not serious. But do I need to make a new application, so that I can mention it ? @HonoraryWorldCitizen
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 15:18
I agree the charge is not serious. But do I need to make a new application, so that I can mention it ? @HonoraryWorldCitizen
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 15:18
In my opinion NO. Read the answer and all the comments on this question travel.stackexchange.com/questions/127094/…
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 15:36
In my opinion NO. Read the answer and all the comments on this question travel.stackexchange.com/questions/127094/…
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 15:36
@HonoraryWorldCitizen thank-you for that link. If I go ahead with my current application, would you suggest I mention this charge during the interview, citing the fact that it happened after I had submitted the application.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 16:04
@HonoraryWorldCitizen thank-you for that link. If I go ahead with my current application, would you suggest I mention this charge during the interview, citing the fact that it happened after I had submitted the application.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 16:04
That will be fine, and have all the documents from the court or police etc. Are personal interviews conducted for the UK visa?
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 16:06
That will be fine, and have all the documents from the court or police etc. Are personal interviews conducted for the UK visa?
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 16:06
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As far as German law is concerned, you have not been charged or convicted of a crime or misdemeanor yet. Those 60 euros you paid are not a fine, they are an increased fare.
The police will investigate (i.e. write up what you and the conductor said) and pass the information to the prosecution, which has the options of charging you (Anklage), offering a plea bargain (Strafbefehl), or closing the case (Einstellung).
It would be remarkably fast if anything happens before your visa interview, so at that point you will be neither charged nor convicted. You will be under a police investigation that may or may not result in a charge.
answered Dec 28 '18 at 16:40
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Please check my edit. I have added information regarding the report given to me.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 16:54
@AyushVerma, is "charged" your translation or an official one?
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:05
The german version of the document states "Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§ 163a Abs.4 StPO ). (siehe Seite 2)" The english version of the document is as I have mentioned.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 17:07
@AyushVerma, the German version uses words which do not imply a charge in court yet.
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:13
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The UK form also asks about caution, fine, discharge, or community sentence. So it may be a yes to that but no to a conviction or charge. Re the bin, that is common for first offenses of this kind; it is not literally a trashcan and they count previous closures for repeat offenders. At some point they don't close the case any more.
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:41
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As far as German law is concerned, you have not been charged or convicted of a crime or misdemeanor yet. Those 60 euros you paid are not a fine, they are an increased fare.
The police will investigate (i.e. write up what you and the conductor said) and pass the information to the prosecution, which has the options of charging you (Anklage), offering a plea bargain (Strafbefehl), or closing the case (Einstellung).
It would be remarkably fast if anything happens before your visa interview, so at that point you will be neither charged nor convicted. You will be under a police investigation that may or may not result in a charge.
answered Dec 28 '18 at 16:40
o.m.o.m.
23.4k23358
Please check my edit. I have added information regarding the report given to me.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 16:54
@AyushVerma, is "charged" your translation or an official one?
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:05
The german version of the document states "Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§ 163a Abs.4 StPO ). (siehe Seite 2)" The english version of the document is as I have mentioned.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 17:07
@AyushVerma, the German version uses words which do not imply a charge in court yet.
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:13
1
The UK form also asks about caution, fine, discharge, or community sentence. So it may be a yes to that but no to a conviction or charge. Re the bin, that is common for first offenses of this kind; it is not literally a trashcan and they count previous closures for repeat offenders. At some point they don't close the case any more.
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:41
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show 2 more comments
As far as German law is concerned, you have not been charged or convicted of a crime or misdemeanor yet. Those 60 euros you paid are not a fine, they are an increased fare.
The police will investigate (i.e. write up what you and the conductor said) and pass the information to the prosecution, which has the options of charging you (Anklage), offering a plea bargain (Strafbefehl), or closing the case (Einstellung).
It would be remarkably fast if anything happens before your visa interview, so at that point you will be neither charged nor convicted. You will be under a police investigation that may or may not result in a charge.
answered Dec 28 '18 at 16:40
o.m.o.m.
23.4k23358
Please check my edit. I have added information regarding the report given to me.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 16:54
@AyushVerma, is "charged" your translation or an official one?
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:05
The german version of the document states "Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§ 163a Abs.4 StPO ). (siehe Seite 2)" The english version of the document is as I have mentioned.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 17:07
@AyushVerma, the German version uses words which do not imply a charge in court yet.
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:13
1
The UK form also asks about caution, fine, discharge, or community sentence. So it may be a yes to that but no to a conviction or charge. Re the bin, that is common for first offenses of this kind; it is not literally a trashcan and they count previous closures for repeat offenders. At some point they don't close the case any more.
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:41
|
show 2 more comments
As far as German law is concerned, you have not been charged or convicted of a crime or misdemeanor yet. Those 60 euros you paid are not a fine, they are an increased fare.
The police will investigate (i.e. write up what you and the conductor said) and pass the information to the prosecution, which has the options of charging you (Anklage), offering a plea bargain (Strafbefehl), or closing the case (Einstellung).
It would be remarkably fast if anything happens before your visa interview, so at that point you will be neither charged nor convicted. You will be under a police investigation that may or may not result in a charge.
answered Dec 28 '18 at 16:40
o.m.o.m.
23.4k23358
As far as German law is concerned, you have not been charged or convicted of a crime or misdemeanor yet. Those 60 euros you paid are not a fine, they are an increased fare.
The police will investigate (i.e. write up what you and the conductor said) and pass the information to the prosecution, which has the options of charging you (Anklage), offering a plea bargain (Strafbefehl), or closing the case (Einstellung).
It would be remarkably fast if anything happens before your visa interview, so at that point you will be neither charged nor convicted. You will be under a police investigation that may or may not result in a charge.
answered Dec 28 '18 at 16:40
o.m.o.m.
23.4k23358
answered Dec 28 '18 at 16:40
o.m.o.m.
23.4k23358
answered Dec 28 '18 at 16:40
o.m.o.m.
23.4k23358
answered Dec 28 '18 at 16:40
o.m.o.m.
23.4k23358
23.4k23358
Please check my edit. I have added information regarding the report given to me.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 16:54
@AyushVerma, is "charged" your translation or an official one?
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:05
The german version of the document states "Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§ 163a Abs.4 StPO ). (siehe Seite 2)" The english version of the document is as I have mentioned.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 17:07
@AyushVerma, the German version uses words which do not imply a charge in court yet.
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:13
1
The UK form also asks about caution, fine, discharge, or community sentence. So it may be a yes to that but no to a conviction or charge. Re the bin, that is common for first offenses of this kind; it is not literally a trashcan and they count previous closures for repeat offenders. At some point they don't close the case any more.
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:41
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show 2 more comments
Please check my edit. I have added information regarding the report given to me.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 16:54
@AyushVerma, is "charged" your translation or an official one?
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:05
The german version of the document states "Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§ 163a Abs.4 StPO ). (siehe Seite 2)" The english version of the document is as I have mentioned.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 17:07
@AyushVerma, the German version uses words which do not imply a charge in court yet.
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:13
1
The UK form also asks about caution, fine, discharge, or community sentence. So it may be a yes to that but no to a conviction or charge. Re the bin, that is common for first offenses of this kind; it is not literally a trashcan and they count previous closures for repeat offenders. At some point they don't close the case any more.
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:41
Please check my edit. I have added information regarding the report given to me.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 16:54
Please check my edit. I have added information regarding the report given to me.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 16:54
@AyushVerma, is "charged" your translation or an official one?
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:05
@AyushVerma, is "charged" your translation or an official one?
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:05
The german version of the document states "Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§ 163a Abs.4 StPO ). (siehe Seite 2)" The english version of the document is as I have mentioned.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 17:07
The german version of the document states "Mit wurde eröffnet, welche Tat/Taten mir zur Last gelegt wird/werden (§ 163a Abs.4 StPO ). (siehe Seite 2)" The english version of the document is as I have mentioned.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 17:07
@AyushVerma, the German version uses words which do not imply a charge in court yet.
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:13
@AyushVerma, the German version uses words which do not imply a charge in court yet.
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:13
1
1
The UK form also asks about caution, fine, discharge, or community sentence. So it may be a yes to that but no to a conviction or charge. Re the bin, that is common for first offenses of this kind; it is not literally a trashcan and they count previous closures for repeat offenders. At some point they don't close the case any more.
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:41
The UK form also asks about caution, fine, discharge, or community sentence. So it may be a yes to that but no to a conviction or charge. Re the bin, that is common for first offenses of this kind; it is not literally a trashcan and they count previous closures for repeat offenders. At some point they don't close the case any more.
– o.m.
Dec 28 '18 at 17:41
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show 2 more comments
In my opinion this is trivial.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 15:16
I agree the charge is not serious. But do I need to make a new application, so that I can mention it ? @HonoraryWorldCitizen
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 15:18
In my opinion NO. Read the answer and all the comments on this question travel.stackexchange.com/questions/127094/…
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 15:36
@HonoraryWorldCitizen thank-you for that link. If I go ahead with my current application, would you suggest I mention this charge during the interview, citing the fact that it happened after I had submitted the application.
– Ayush Verma
Dec 28 '18 at 16:04
That will be fine, and have all the documents from the court or police etc. Are personal interviews conducted for the UK visa?
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
Dec 28 '18 at 16:06