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  1. I guess this may seem stupid, but
    how calculus and real analysis are
    different from and related to each
    other?



    I tend to think they are the same
    because all I know is that the
    objects of both are real-valued
    functions defined on $mathbb{R}^n$,
    and their topics are continuity,
    differentiation and integration of
    such functions. Isn't it?



  2. But there is also
    $lambda$-calculus, about which I
    honestly don't quite know. Does it
    belong to calculus? If not, why is
    it called *-calculus?

  3. I have heard at the undergraduate course level, some people mentioned the
    topics in linear algebra as
    calculus. Is that correct?


Thanks and regards!






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    λ-calculus is something completely different: see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_calculus
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    I would say "calculus is to analysis as arithmetic is to number theory", including real and complex analysis under that umbrella.
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    The term "calculus" can be used generally to mean something like "manipulation". The subject in math that we call calculus today was previously more well known by a longer name "calculus of infinitesimals", so named because at the time of its development, it was thought of as exactly that, the science of manipulating infinitesimally small numbers. It's in this sense that $lambda$-calculus is named: it deals with the manipulation of "lambdas". See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus_%28disambiguation%29
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    I think "calculus" in general means "to calculate". So, with this in mind, calculus uses the results of analysis to calculate things. Analysis is all the theory behind calculus.
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  1. I guess this may seem stupid, but
    how calculus and real analysis are
    different from and related to each
    other?



    I tend to think they are the same
    because all I know is that the
    objects of both are real-valued
    functions defined on $mathbb{R}^n$,
    and their topics are continuity,
    differentiation and integration of
    such functions. Isn't it?



  2. But there is also
    $lambda$-calculus, about which I
    honestly don't quite know. Does it
    belong to calculus? If not, why is
    it called *-calculus?

  3. I have heard at the undergraduate course level, some people mentioned the
    topics in linear algebra as
    calculus. Is that correct?


Thanks and regards!






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    λ-calculus is something completely different: see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_calculus
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    I would say "calculus is to analysis as arithmetic is to number theory", including real and complex analysis under that umbrella.
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    The term "calculus" can be used generally to mean something like "manipulation". The subject in math that we call calculus today was previously more well known by a longer name "calculus of infinitesimals", so named because at the time of its development, it was thought of as exactly that, the science of manipulating infinitesimally small numbers. It's in this sense that $lambda$-calculus is named: it deals with the manipulation of "lambdas". See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus_%28disambiguation%29
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    I think "calculus" in general means "to calculate". So, with this in mind, calculus uses the results of analysis to calculate things. Analysis is all the theory behind calculus.
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  1. I guess this may seem stupid, but
    how calculus and real analysis are
    different from and related to each
    other?



    I tend to think they are the same
    because all I know is that the
    objects of both are real-valued
    functions defined on $mathbb{R}^n$,
    and their topics are continuity,
    differentiation and integration of
    such functions. Isn't it?



  2. But there is also
    $lambda$-calculus, about which I
    honestly don't quite know. Does it
    belong to calculus? If not, why is
    it called *-calculus?

  3. I have heard at the undergraduate course level, some people mentioned the
    topics in linear algebra as
    calculus. Is that correct?


Thanks and regards!






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  1. I guess this may seem stupid, but
    how calculus and real analysis are
    different from and related to each
    other?



    I tend to think they are the same
    because all I know is that the
    objects of both are real-valued
    functions defined on $mathbb{R}^n$,
    and their topics are continuity,
    differentiation and integration of
    such functions. Isn't it?



  2. But there is also
    $lambda$-calculus, about which I
    honestly don't quite know. Does it
    belong to calculus? If not, why is
    it called *-calculus?

  3. I have heard at the undergraduate course level, some people mentioned the
    topics in linear algebra as
    calculus. Is that correct?


Thanks and regards!






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    The term "calculus" can be used generally to mean something like "manipulation". The subject in math that we call calculus today was previously more well known by a longer name "calculus of infinitesimals", so named because at the time of its development, it was thought of as exactly that, the science of manipulating infinitesimally small numbers. It's in this sense that $lambda$-calculus is named: it deals with the manipulation of "lambdas". See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus_%28disambiguation%29
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    I think "calculus" in general means "to calculate". So, with this in mind, calculus uses the results of analysis to calculate things. Analysis is all the theory behind calculus.
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    The term "calculus" can be used generally to mean something like "manipulation". The subject in math that we call calculus today was previously more well known by a longer name "calculus of infinitesimals", so named because at the time of its development, it was thought of as exactly that, the science of manipulating infinitesimally small numbers. It's in this sense that $lambda$-calculus is named: it deals with the manipulation of "lambdas". See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus_%28disambiguation%29
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    I think "calculus" in general means "to calculate". So, with this in mind, calculus uses the results of analysis to calculate things. Analysis is all the theory behind calculus.
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  1. A first approximation is that real analysis is the rigorous version of calculus. You might think about the distinction as follows: engineers use calculus, but pure mathematicians use real analysis. The term "real analysis" also includes topics not of interest to engineers but of interest to pure mathematicians.


  2. As is mentioned in the comments, this refers to a different meaning of the word "calculus," which simply means "a method of calculation."


  3. This is imprecise. Linear algebra is essential to the study of multivariable calculus, but I wouldn't call it a calculus topic in and of itself. People who say this probably mean that it is a calculus-level topic.







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    we had courses analysis 1 and analysis 2 but the books had titles like Calculus. However these books were total 2000 pages too complex that any textbook for calculus i seen seemed childish too simple . So now i understand ,that books are analysis books.
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    They are written in greek. I was wrong , the total pages are 2800 (2 theory and some problems and examples and 2 other only problems.) It uses literature from apostol,ayoub,birkhoff,comtet,ciang and lots of other[80 total].But they are extreemly hard to read. Even the most difficult textbook for calculus is easy compared to them.And they are given at engineering school
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In Eastern Europe (Poland, Russia) there is no difference between calculus and analysis (there is mathematical analysis of function of real/complex variable/s).



In my opinion this distinction is typical for Western countries to make the following difference:




  • calculus relies mainly on conducting "calculations" (algebraic transformations applied to function, derivation of theorems/concepts by methods of elementary mathematics, computations applied to specific problem)


  • analysis relies mainly on conducting "analysis" of properties of functions (derivation of theorems, proving theorems)



However, still this distinction is unnecessary:




  • (the most important) issues of "calculus" and "analysis" are very often linked together so that distinction is impossible (e.g. consideration of concept of limit in calculus due to Cauchy or Heine is actually the same as in analysis)


  • it makes artificial ambiguity in perception of mathematical analysis


  • it isolates common sense approach obtained from elementary mathematics and disables straightforward transition from elementary mathematics to higher mathematics


  • issues of "calculus" and "analysis" treated together enables acquisition of deeper understanding of subject by making extension from methods gained from elementary mathematics.







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    Sorry, but you must be confusing Anglo-Saxon countries and Western Europe. In France, there is no such thing as "calculus", and I suspect it's true for most of continental Europe.
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This is a purely anglo-saxon distinction. In most countries, however, there is no distinction between "rigorous" analysis and "non-rigorous" calculus. There are just different levels of analysis courses, e.g. "real analysis for engineers".



The term "calculus" itself just means "method of calculation". Even simple arithmetic is a kind of "calculus". What people in Anglo-Saxon countries refer to as "calculus" is actually just a short version of "infinitesimal calculus", the original ideas and concepts introduced by Leibniz and Newton. Nonetheless, even the lowest-level "calculus" courses usually refer to concepts that were introduced much later after Newton and Leibniz, e.g. Riemann sums (Riemann lived about 200 years after these two).






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    Are you sure it means method of calculation ? I was under the impression that it was derived from the old word for pebbles ie very small
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As I understand the terms, calculus is just differentiation and integration, whereas real analysis also includes such topics as the definition of a real number, infinite series, and continuity. But perhaps I am out of date.






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    I had a course called "calculus" where we also were introduced to all most known sets of numbers, from the natural numbers to the complex ones, we talked about series and continuity and other things and in some instances we also had to deal with proving things, even though they were relatively easy, I guess. It could be that people exchange the terms sometimes... I think mathematics would be simpler if a committee responsible for standards would clarify this.
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My take on this: One would use the word 'calculus' when one is applying the mathematical tools - chain rule, integration- by-parts, etc - to solve problems in science, engineering, and so on; whereas one would use the word 'analysis' when one is developing/justifying the same tools - proving the chain rule, inventing integration-by-parts, etc. I.e, analysis is what the pure mathematicians do, calculus is the product of analysis which engineers use.






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    The classes in the U.S. are definitely separated by name, but the content of the 4 "Calculus" courses I took for electrical engineering wasn't quite as distinct as some are portraying it. We spent a substantial amount of time on sequences/series, limits, convergence, Taylor series, differentiability and integrability, etc., and related theorems. It was quite a bit more than "how to compute"; however, it wasn't nearly as rigorous as the proof-based real analysis class my son described from Caltech.



    I'm sure that the engineering disciplines are a big reason for the distinction. The distinction may have other historical roots, but engineering schools sustain it. In the U.S., engineering (especially electrical) has changed in the last 50 years because the world is changing; instead of Fortran, it's incredibly helpful to know C++, Python, AND MATLAB; Newer high-speed transistors has shifted emphasis to RF circuit design classes; Increases in computer frequencies is pushing signal/power integrity to the forefront because-- in industry-- it's a dominant issue that barely existed in the 1980s. One EE prof. I spoke with said that electromagnetics, which formerly included distinct classes in electrostatics & magnetics, was condensed into 1 course that is barely adequate. There is an ever-widening list of courses/requirements and many students can barely finish a degree in 4 years; Math is just one of several areas receiving pressure to shed "unnecessary" requirements. My point is that real analysis would be good for engineers, but it's competing with many other math/non-math topics.



    One can argue whether engineering should be a 5 or 6 year degree; but unless someone forces that upon everyone, which university will be the first to step forward and inform students that they must now pay for 5-6 years of school? In my opinion, economics is the sustained pressure to streamline courses and focus on practical "calculus" topics.






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      When tackling a seven year old Question, esp. one with Accepted or upvoted Answers, there is no benefit to posting a hasty Answer of your own. Did you mean to skip over the distinction between calculus and real analysis? To omit a discussion of the $lambda$-calculus? To skip topics shared between linear algebra and calculus? Much of what you wrote seems entirely beside the point here.
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    Calculus is about integration and differentiation. In real analysis we talk about Measure theory and lebesgue integral, proving theorems etc .And that introduces Topology , Functional analysis , Complex analysis , PDE and ODE etc .






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      Welcome to stackexchange. It's good that you want to help by answering questions. But this short answer to an eight year old question does not add anything at all to the good answers already here. Since it uses the terminology of real analysis it would not help the OP in any case. So if you really want to help, look for new unanswered questions where you can contribute.
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    1. A first approximation is that real analysis is the rigorous version of calculus. You might think about the distinction as follows: engineers use calculus, but pure mathematicians use real analysis. The term "real analysis" also includes topics not of interest to engineers but of interest to pure mathematicians.


    2. As is mentioned in the comments, this refers to a different meaning of the word "calculus," which simply means "a method of calculation."


    3. This is imprecise. Linear algebra is essential to the study of multivariable calculus, but I wouldn't call it a calculus topic in and of itself. People who say this probably mean that it is a calculus-level topic.







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      we had courses analysis 1 and analysis 2 but the books had titles like Calculus. However these books were total 2000 pages too complex that any textbook for calculus i seen seemed childish too simple . So now i understand ,that books are analysis books.
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      They are written in greek. I was wrong , the total pages are 2800 (2 theory and some problems and examples and 2 other only problems.) It uses literature from apostol,ayoub,birkhoff,comtet,ciang and lots of other[80 total].But they are extreemly hard to read. Even the most difficult textbook for calculus is easy compared to them.And they are given at engineering school
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    1. A first approximation is that real analysis is the rigorous version of calculus. You might think about the distinction as follows: engineers use calculus, but pure mathematicians use real analysis. The term "real analysis" also includes topics not of interest to engineers but of interest to pure mathematicians.


    2. As is mentioned in the comments, this refers to a different meaning of the word "calculus," which simply means "a method of calculation."


    3. This is imprecise. Linear algebra is essential to the study of multivariable calculus, but I wouldn't call it a calculus topic in and of itself. People who say this probably mean that it is a calculus-level topic.







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      we had courses analysis 1 and analysis 2 but the books had titles like Calculus. However these books were total 2000 pages too complex that any textbook for calculus i seen seemed childish too simple . So now i understand ,that books are analysis books.
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      They are written in greek. I was wrong , the total pages are 2800 (2 theory and some problems and examples and 2 other only problems.) It uses literature from apostol,ayoub,birkhoff,comtet,ciang and lots of other[80 total].But they are extreemly hard to read. Even the most difficult textbook for calculus is easy compared to them.And they are given at engineering school
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    1. A first approximation is that real analysis is the rigorous version of calculus. You might think about the distinction as follows: engineers use calculus, but pure mathematicians use real analysis. The term "real analysis" also includes topics not of interest to engineers but of interest to pure mathematicians.


    2. As is mentioned in the comments, this refers to a different meaning of the word "calculus," which simply means "a method of calculation."


    3. This is imprecise. Linear algebra is essential to the study of multivariable calculus, but I wouldn't call it a calculus topic in and of itself. People who say this probably mean that it is a calculus-level topic.







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    1. A first approximation is that real analysis is the rigorous version of calculus. You might think about the distinction as follows: engineers use calculus, but pure mathematicians use real analysis. The term "real analysis" also includes topics not of interest to engineers but of interest to pure mathematicians.


    2. As is mentioned in the comments, this refers to a different meaning of the word "calculus," which simply means "a method of calculation."


    3. This is imprecise. Linear algebra is essential to the study of multivariable calculus, but I wouldn't call it a calculus topic in and of itself. People who say this probably mean that it is a calculus-level topic.








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      we had courses analysis 1 and analysis 2 but the books had titles like Calculus. However these books were total 2000 pages too complex that any textbook for calculus i seen seemed childish too simple . So now i understand ,that books are analysis books.
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      @Parhs: What books?
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      They are written in greek. I was wrong , the total pages are 2800 (2 theory and some problems and examples and 2 other only problems.) It uses literature from apostol,ayoub,birkhoff,comtet,ciang and lots of other[80 total].But they are extreemly hard to read. Even the most difficult textbook for calculus is easy compared to them.And they are given at engineering school
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      we had courses analysis 1 and analysis 2 but the books had titles like Calculus. However these books were total 2000 pages too complex that any textbook for calculus i seen seemed childish too simple . So now i understand ,that books are analysis books.
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      @Parhs: What books?
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    • $begingroup$
      They are written in greek. I was wrong , the total pages are 2800 (2 theory and some problems and examples and 2 other only problems.) It uses literature from apostol,ayoub,birkhoff,comtet,ciang and lots of other[80 total].But they are extreemly hard to read. Even the most difficult textbook for calculus is easy compared to them.And they are given at engineering school
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    we had courses analysis 1 and analysis 2 but the books had titles like Calculus. However these books were total 2000 pages too complex that any textbook for calculus i seen seemed childish too simple . So now i understand ,that books are analysis books.
    $endgroup$
    – GorillaApe
    Mar 3 '12 at 2:15




    $begingroup$
    we had courses analysis 1 and analysis 2 but the books had titles like Calculus. However these books were total 2000 pages too complex that any textbook for calculus i seen seemed childish too simple . So now i understand ,that books are analysis books.
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    – GorillaApe
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    @Parhs: What books?
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    $begingroup$
    They are written in greek. I was wrong , the total pages are 2800 (2 theory and some problems and examples and 2 other only problems.) It uses literature from apostol,ayoub,birkhoff,comtet,ciang and lots of other[80 total].But they are extreemly hard to read. Even the most difficult textbook for calculus is easy compared to them.And they are given at engineering school
    $endgroup$
    – GorillaApe
    Mar 3 '12 at 2:54






    $begingroup$
    They are written in greek. I was wrong , the total pages are 2800 (2 theory and some problems and examples and 2 other only problems.) It uses literature from apostol,ayoub,birkhoff,comtet,ciang and lots of other[80 total].But they are extreemly hard to read. Even the most difficult textbook for calculus is easy compared to them.And they are given at engineering school
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    In Eastern Europe (Poland, Russia) there is no difference between calculus and analysis (there is mathematical analysis of function of real/complex variable/s).



    In my opinion this distinction is typical for Western countries to make the following difference:




    • calculus relies mainly on conducting "calculations" (algebraic transformations applied to function, derivation of theorems/concepts by methods of elementary mathematics, computations applied to specific problem)


    • analysis relies mainly on conducting "analysis" of properties of functions (derivation of theorems, proving theorems)



    However, still this distinction is unnecessary:




    • (the most important) issues of "calculus" and "analysis" are very often linked together so that distinction is impossible (e.g. consideration of concept of limit in calculus due to Cauchy or Heine is actually the same as in analysis)


    • it makes artificial ambiguity in perception of mathematical analysis


    • it isolates common sense approach obtained from elementary mathematics and disables straightforward transition from elementary mathematics to higher mathematics


    • issues of "calculus" and "analysis" treated together enables acquisition of deeper understanding of subject by making extension from methods gained from elementary mathematics.







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      Sorry, but you must be confusing Anglo-Saxon countries and Western Europe. In France, there is no such thing as "calculus", and I suspect it's true for most of continental Europe.
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      No such thing as "calculus" in Italy too.
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      In Romania there is also no "calculus" and I think it is better this way, it is more clear and less confusing.
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      No such thing in Germany, too.
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      There is definitely a distinction between "calculus" and real analysis in the USA.
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    In Eastern Europe (Poland, Russia) there is no difference between calculus and analysis (there is mathematical analysis of function of real/complex variable/s).



    In my opinion this distinction is typical for Western countries to make the following difference:




    • calculus relies mainly on conducting "calculations" (algebraic transformations applied to function, derivation of theorems/concepts by methods of elementary mathematics, computations applied to specific problem)


    • analysis relies mainly on conducting "analysis" of properties of functions (derivation of theorems, proving theorems)



    However, still this distinction is unnecessary:




    • (the most important) issues of "calculus" and "analysis" are very often linked together so that distinction is impossible (e.g. consideration of concept of limit in calculus due to Cauchy or Heine is actually the same as in analysis)


    • it makes artificial ambiguity in perception of mathematical analysis


    • it isolates common sense approach obtained from elementary mathematics and disables straightforward transition from elementary mathematics to higher mathematics


    • issues of "calculus" and "analysis" treated together enables acquisition of deeper understanding of subject by making extension from methods gained from elementary mathematics.







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      Sorry, but you must be confusing Anglo-Saxon countries and Western Europe. In France, there is no such thing as "calculus", and I suspect it's true for most of continental Europe.
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      – Jean-Claude Arbaut
      Aug 26 '14 at 15:19








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      No such thing as "calculus" in Italy too.
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      – LtWorf
      Jan 31 '15 at 9:38






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      In Romania there is also no "calculus" and I think it is better this way, it is more clear and less confusing.
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      – yoyo_fun
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      No such thing in Germany, too.
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      – Rudi_Birnbaum
      Feb 14 '18 at 14:59






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      There is definitely a distinction between "calculus" and real analysis in the USA.
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      – James Hurley
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    In Eastern Europe (Poland, Russia) there is no difference between calculus and analysis (there is mathematical analysis of function of real/complex variable/s).



    In my opinion this distinction is typical for Western countries to make the following difference:




    • calculus relies mainly on conducting "calculations" (algebraic transformations applied to function, derivation of theorems/concepts by methods of elementary mathematics, computations applied to specific problem)


    • analysis relies mainly on conducting "analysis" of properties of functions (derivation of theorems, proving theorems)



    However, still this distinction is unnecessary:




    • (the most important) issues of "calculus" and "analysis" are very often linked together so that distinction is impossible (e.g. consideration of concept of limit in calculus due to Cauchy or Heine is actually the same as in analysis)


    • it makes artificial ambiguity in perception of mathematical analysis


    • it isolates common sense approach obtained from elementary mathematics and disables straightforward transition from elementary mathematics to higher mathematics


    • issues of "calculus" and "analysis" treated together enables acquisition of deeper understanding of subject by making extension from methods gained from elementary mathematics.







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    In Eastern Europe (Poland, Russia) there is no difference between calculus and analysis (there is mathematical analysis of function of real/complex variable/s).



    In my opinion this distinction is typical for Western countries to make the following difference:




    • calculus relies mainly on conducting "calculations" (algebraic transformations applied to function, derivation of theorems/concepts by methods of elementary mathematics, computations applied to specific problem)


    • analysis relies mainly on conducting "analysis" of properties of functions (derivation of theorems, proving theorems)



    However, still this distinction is unnecessary:




    • (the most important) issues of "calculus" and "analysis" are very often linked together so that distinction is impossible (e.g. consideration of concept of limit in calculus due to Cauchy or Heine is actually the same as in analysis)


    • it makes artificial ambiguity in perception of mathematical analysis


    • it isolates common sense approach obtained from elementary mathematics and disables straightforward transition from elementary mathematics to higher mathematics


    • issues of "calculus" and "analysis" treated together enables acquisition of deeper understanding of subject by making extension from methods gained from elementary mathematics.








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      Sorry, but you must be confusing Anglo-Saxon countries and Western Europe. In France, there is no such thing as "calculus", and I suspect it's true for most of continental Europe.
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      No such thing as "calculus" in Italy too.
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      In Romania there is also no "calculus" and I think it is better this way, it is more clear and less confusing.
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      – yoyo_fun
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      No such thing in Germany, too.
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      – Rudi_Birnbaum
      Feb 14 '18 at 14:59






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      There is definitely a distinction between "calculus" and real analysis in the USA.
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      – James Hurley
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      $begingroup$
      Sorry, but you must be confusing Anglo-Saxon countries and Western Europe. In France, there is no such thing as "calculus", and I suspect it's true for most of continental Europe.
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      – Jean-Claude Arbaut
      Aug 26 '14 at 15:19








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      No such thing as "calculus" in Italy too.
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      – LtWorf
      Jan 31 '15 at 9:38






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      In Romania there is also no "calculus" and I think it is better this way, it is more clear and less confusing.
      $endgroup$
      – yoyo_fun
      Jul 24 '17 at 10:25






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      $begingroup$
      No such thing in Germany, too.
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      – Rudi_Birnbaum
      Feb 14 '18 at 14:59






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      There is definitely a distinction between "calculus" and real analysis in the USA.
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    Sorry, but you must be confusing Anglo-Saxon countries and Western Europe. In France, there is no such thing as "calculus", and I suspect it's true for most of continental Europe.
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    – Jean-Claude Arbaut
    Aug 26 '14 at 15:19






    $begingroup$
    Sorry, but you must be confusing Anglo-Saxon countries and Western Europe. In France, there is no such thing as "calculus", and I suspect it's true for most of continental Europe.
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    – Jean-Claude Arbaut
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    No such thing as "calculus" in Italy too.
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    No such thing as "calculus" in Italy too.
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    In Romania there is also no "calculus" and I think it is better this way, it is more clear and less confusing.
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    In Romania there is also no "calculus" and I think it is better this way, it is more clear and less confusing.
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    – yoyo_fun
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    No such thing in Germany, too.
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    There is definitely a distinction between "calculus" and real analysis in the USA.
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    – James Hurley
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    There is definitely a distinction between "calculus" and real analysis in the USA.
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    This is a purely anglo-saxon distinction. In most countries, however, there is no distinction between "rigorous" analysis and "non-rigorous" calculus. There are just different levels of analysis courses, e.g. "real analysis for engineers".



    The term "calculus" itself just means "method of calculation". Even simple arithmetic is a kind of "calculus". What people in Anglo-Saxon countries refer to as "calculus" is actually just a short version of "infinitesimal calculus", the original ideas and concepts introduced by Leibniz and Newton. Nonetheless, even the lowest-level "calculus" courses usually refer to concepts that were introduced much later after Newton and Leibniz, e.g. Riemann sums (Riemann lived about 200 years after these two).






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      Are you sure it means method of calculation ? I was under the impression that it was derived from the old word for pebbles ie very small
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      @Quality That is just the etymology of the term. "Calculus" as a modern, English word means "method of calculation", e.g. "lambda calculus".
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    This is a purely anglo-saxon distinction. In most countries, however, there is no distinction between "rigorous" analysis and "non-rigorous" calculus. There are just different levels of analysis courses, e.g. "real analysis for engineers".



    The term "calculus" itself just means "method of calculation". Even simple arithmetic is a kind of "calculus". What people in Anglo-Saxon countries refer to as "calculus" is actually just a short version of "infinitesimal calculus", the original ideas and concepts introduced by Leibniz and Newton. Nonetheless, even the lowest-level "calculus" courses usually refer to concepts that were introduced much later after Newton and Leibniz, e.g. Riemann sums (Riemann lived about 200 years after these two).






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      Are you sure it means method of calculation ? I was under the impression that it was derived from the old word for pebbles ie very small
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      @Quality That is just the etymology of the term. "Calculus" as a modern, English word means "method of calculation", e.g. "lambda calculus".
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    This is a purely anglo-saxon distinction. In most countries, however, there is no distinction between "rigorous" analysis and "non-rigorous" calculus. There are just different levels of analysis courses, e.g. "real analysis for engineers".



    The term "calculus" itself just means "method of calculation". Even simple arithmetic is a kind of "calculus". What people in Anglo-Saxon countries refer to as "calculus" is actually just a short version of "infinitesimal calculus", the original ideas and concepts introduced by Leibniz and Newton. Nonetheless, even the lowest-level "calculus" courses usually refer to concepts that were introduced much later after Newton and Leibniz, e.g. Riemann sums (Riemann lived about 200 years after these two).






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    This is a purely anglo-saxon distinction. In most countries, however, there is no distinction between "rigorous" analysis and "non-rigorous" calculus. There are just different levels of analysis courses, e.g. "real analysis for engineers".



    The term "calculus" itself just means "method of calculation". Even simple arithmetic is a kind of "calculus". What people in Anglo-Saxon countries refer to as "calculus" is actually just a short version of "infinitesimal calculus", the original ideas and concepts introduced by Leibniz and Newton. Nonetheless, even the lowest-level "calculus" courses usually refer to concepts that were introduced much later after Newton and Leibniz, e.g. Riemann sums (Riemann lived about 200 years after these two).







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      Are you sure it means method of calculation ? I was under the impression that it was derived from the old word for pebbles ie very small
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      @Quality That is just the etymology of the term. "Calculus" as a modern, English word means "method of calculation", e.g. "lambda calculus".
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      Are you sure it means method of calculation ? I was under the impression that it was derived from the old word for pebbles ie very small
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      – Quality
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    • $begingroup$
      @Quality That is just the etymology of the term. "Calculus" as a modern, English word means "method of calculation", e.g. "lambda calculus".
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    Are you sure it means method of calculation ? I was under the impression that it was derived from the old word for pebbles ie very small
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    – Quality
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    $begingroup$
    Are you sure it means method of calculation ? I was under the impression that it was derived from the old word for pebbles ie very small
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    $begingroup$
    @Quality That is just the etymology of the term. "Calculus" as a modern, English word means "method of calculation", e.g. "lambda calculus".
    $endgroup$
    – Adrian
    Aug 31 '16 at 5:36






    $begingroup$
    @Quality That is just the etymology of the term. "Calculus" as a modern, English word means "method of calculation", e.g. "lambda calculus".
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    As I understand the terms, calculus is just differentiation and integration, whereas real analysis also includes such topics as the definition of a real number, infinite series, and continuity. But perhaps I am out of date.






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      I had a course called "calculus" where we also were introduced to all most known sets of numbers, from the natural numbers to the complex ones, we talked about series and continuity and other things and in some instances we also had to deal with proving things, even though they were relatively easy, I guess. It could be that people exchange the terms sometimes... I think mathematics would be simpler if a committee responsible for standards would clarify this.
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    As I understand the terms, calculus is just differentiation and integration, whereas real analysis also includes such topics as the definition of a real number, infinite series, and continuity. But perhaps I am out of date.






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      I had a course called "calculus" where we also were introduced to all most known sets of numbers, from the natural numbers to the complex ones, we talked about series and continuity and other things and in some instances we also had to deal with proving things, even though they were relatively easy, I guess. It could be that people exchange the terms sometimes... I think mathematics would be simpler if a committee responsible for standards would clarify this.
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    As I understand the terms, calculus is just differentiation and integration, whereas real analysis also includes such topics as the definition of a real number, infinite series, and continuity. But perhaps I am out of date.






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    As I understand the terms, calculus is just differentiation and integration, whereas real analysis also includes such topics as the definition of a real number, infinite series, and continuity. But perhaps I am out of date.







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      I had a course called "calculus" where we also were introduced to all most known sets of numbers, from the natural numbers to the complex ones, we talked about series and continuity and other things and in some instances we also had to deal with proving things, even though they were relatively easy, I guess. It could be that people exchange the terms sometimes... I think mathematics would be simpler if a committee responsible for standards would clarify this.
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      I had a course called "calculus" where we also were introduced to all most known sets of numbers, from the natural numbers to the complex ones, we talked about series and continuity and other things and in some instances we also had to deal with proving things, even though they were relatively easy, I guess. It could be that people exchange the terms sometimes... I think mathematics would be simpler if a committee responsible for standards would clarify this.
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    I had a course called "calculus" where we also were introduced to all most known sets of numbers, from the natural numbers to the complex ones, we talked about series and continuity and other things and in some instances we also had to deal with proving things, even though they were relatively easy, I guess. It could be that people exchange the terms sometimes... I think mathematics would be simpler if a committee responsible for standards would clarify this.
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    $begingroup$
    I had a course called "calculus" where we also were introduced to all most known sets of numbers, from the natural numbers to the complex ones, we talked about series and continuity and other things and in some instances we also had to deal with proving things, even though they were relatively easy, I guess. It could be that people exchange the terms sometimes... I think mathematics would be simpler if a committee responsible for standards would clarify this.
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    My take on this: One would use the word 'calculus' when one is applying the mathematical tools - chain rule, integration- by-parts, etc - to solve problems in science, engineering, and so on; whereas one would use the word 'analysis' when one is developing/justifying the same tools - proving the chain rule, inventing integration-by-parts, etc. I.e, analysis is what the pure mathematicians do, calculus is the product of analysis which engineers use.






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      My take on this: One would use the word 'calculus' when one is applying the mathematical tools - chain rule, integration- by-parts, etc - to solve problems in science, engineering, and so on; whereas one would use the word 'analysis' when one is developing/justifying the same tools - proving the chain rule, inventing integration-by-parts, etc. I.e, analysis is what the pure mathematicians do, calculus is the product of analysis which engineers use.






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        My take on this: One would use the word 'calculus' when one is applying the mathematical tools - chain rule, integration- by-parts, etc - to solve problems in science, engineering, and so on; whereas one would use the word 'analysis' when one is developing/justifying the same tools - proving the chain rule, inventing integration-by-parts, etc. I.e, analysis is what the pure mathematicians do, calculus is the product of analysis which engineers use.






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        My take on this: One would use the word 'calculus' when one is applying the mathematical tools - chain rule, integration- by-parts, etc - to solve problems in science, engineering, and so on; whereas one would use the word 'analysis' when one is developing/justifying the same tools - proving the chain rule, inventing integration-by-parts, etc. I.e, analysis is what the pure mathematicians do, calculus is the product of analysis which engineers use.







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            The classes in the U.S. are definitely separated by name, but the content of the 4 "Calculus" courses I took for electrical engineering wasn't quite as distinct as some are portraying it. We spent a substantial amount of time on sequences/series, limits, convergence, Taylor series, differentiability and integrability, etc., and related theorems. It was quite a bit more than "how to compute"; however, it wasn't nearly as rigorous as the proof-based real analysis class my son described from Caltech.



            I'm sure that the engineering disciplines are a big reason for the distinction. The distinction may have other historical roots, but engineering schools sustain it. In the U.S., engineering (especially electrical) has changed in the last 50 years because the world is changing; instead of Fortran, it's incredibly helpful to know C++, Python, AND MATLAB; Newer high-speed transistors has shifted emphasis to RF circuit design classes; Increases in computer frequencies is pushing signal/power integrity to the forefront because-- in industry-- it's a dominant issue that barely existed in the 1980s. One EE prof. I spoke with said that electromagnetics, which formerly included distinct classes in electrostatics & magnetics, was condensed into 1 course that is barely adequate. There is an ever-widening list of courses/requirements and many students can barely finish a degree in 4 years; Math is just one of several areas receiving pressure to shed "unnecessary" requirements. My point is that real analysis would be good for engineers, but it's competing with many other math/non-math topics.



            One can argue whether engineering should be a 5 or 6 year degree; but unless someone forces that upon everyone, which university will be the first to step forward and inform students that they must now pay for 5-6 years of school? In my opinion, economics is the sustained pressure to streamline courses and focus on practical "calculus" topics.






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              When tackling a seven year old Question, esp. one with Accepted or upvoted Answers, there is no benefit to posting a hasty Answer of your own. Did you mean to skip over the distinction between calculus and real analysis? To omit a discussion of the $lambda$-calculus? To skip topics shared between linear algebra and calculus? Much of what you wrote seems entirely beside the point here.
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            The classes in the U.S. are definitely separated by name, but the content of the 4 "Calculus" courses I took for electrical engineering wasn't quite as distinct as some are portraying it. We spent a substantial amount of time on sequences/series, limits, convergence, Taylor series, differentiability and integrability, etc., and related theorems. It was quite a bit more than "how to compute"; however, it wasn't nearly as rigorous as the proof-based real analysis class my son described from Caltech.



            I'm sure that the engineering disciplines are a big reason for the distinction. The distinction may have other historical roots, but engineering schools sustain it. In the U.S., engineering (especially electrical) has changed in the last 50 years because the world is changing; instead of Fortran, it's incredibly helpful to know C++, Python, AND MATLAB; Newer high-speed transistors has shifted emphasis to RF circuit design classes; Increases in computer frequencies is pushing signal/power integrity to the forefront because-- in industry-- it's a dominant issue that barely existed in the 1980s. One EE prof. I spoke with said that electromagnetics, which formerly included distinct classes in electrostatics & magnetics, was condensed into 1 course that is barely adequate. There is an ever-widening list of courses/requirements and many students can barely finish a degree in 4 years; Math is just one of several areas receiving pressure to shed "unnecessary" requirements. My point is that real analysis would be good for engineers, but it's competing with many other math/non-math topics.



            One can argue whether engineering should be a 5 or 6 year degree; but unless someone forces that upon everyone, which university will be the first to step forward and inform students that they must now pay for 5-6 years of school? In my opinion, economics is the sustained pressure to streamline courses and focus on practical "calculus" topics.






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              $begingroup$
              When tackling a seven year old Question, esp. one with Accepted or upvoted Answers, there is no benefit to posting a hasty Answer of your own. Did you mean to skip over the distinction between calculus and real analysis? To omit a discussion of the $lambda$-calculus? To skip topics shared between linear algebra and calculus? Much of what you wrote seems entirely beside the point here.
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            The classes in the U.S. are definitely separated by name, but the content of the 4 "Calculus" courses I took for electrical engineering wasn't quite as distinct as some are portraying it. We spent a substantial amount of time on sequences/series, limits, convergence, Taylor series, differentiability and integrability, etc., and related theorems. It was quite a bit more than "how to compute"; however, it wasn't nearly as rigorous as the proof-based real analysis class my son described from Caltech.



            I'm sure that the engineering disciplines are a big reason for the distinction. The distinction may have other historical roots, but engineering schools sustain it. In the U.S., engineering (especially electrical) has changed in the last 50 years because the world is changing; instead of Fortran, it's incredibly helpful to know C++, Python, AND MATLAB; Newer high-speed transistors has shifted emphasis to RF circuit design classes; Increases in computer frequencies is pushing signal/power integrity to the forefront because-- in industry-- it's a dominant issue that barely existed in the 1980s. One EE prof. I spoke with said that electromagnetics, which formerly included distinct classes in electrostatics & magnetics, was condensed into 1 course that is barely adequate. There is an ever-widening list of courses/requirements and many students can barely finish a degree in 4 years; Math is just one of several areas receiving pressure to shed "unnecessary" requirements. My point is that real analysis would be good for engineers, but it's competing with many other math/non-math topics.



            One can argue whether engineering should be a 5 or 6 year degree; but unless someone forces that upon everyone, which university will be the first to step forward and inform students that they must now pay for 5-6 years of school? In my opinion, economics is the sustained pressure to streamline courses and focus on practical "calculus" topics.






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            The classes in the U.S. are definitely separated by name, but the content of the 4 "Calculus" courses I took for electrical engineering wasn't quite as distinct as some are portraying it. We spent a substantial amount of time on sequences/series, limits, convergence, Taylor series, differentiability and integrability, etc., and related theorems. It was quite a bit more than "how to compute"; however, it wasn't nearly as rigorous as the proof-based real analysis class my son described from Caltech.



            I'm sure that the engineering disciplines are a big reason for the distinction. The distinction may have other historical roots, but engineering schools sustain it. In the U.S., engineering (especially electrical) has changed in the last 50 years because the world is changing; instead of Fortran, it's incredibly helpful to know C++, Python, AND MATLAB; Newer high-speed transistors has shifted emphasis to RF circuit design classes; Increases in computer frequencies is pushing signal/power integrity to the forefront because-- in industry-- it's a dominant issue that barely existed in the 1980s. One EE prof. I spoke with said that electromagnetics, which formerly included distinct classes in electrostatics & magnetics, was condensed into 1 course that is barely adequate. There is an ever-widening list of courses/requirements and many students can barely finish a degree in 4 years; Math is just one of several areas receiving pressure to shed "unnecessary" requirements. My point is that real analysis would be good for engineers, but it's competing with many other math/non-math topics.



            One can argue whether engineering should be a 5 or 6 year degree; but unless someone forces that upon everyone, which university will be the first to step forward and inform students that they must now pay for 5-6 years of school? In my opinion, economics is the sustained pressure to streamline courses and focus on practical "calculus" topics.







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              When tackling a seven year old Question, esp. one with Accepted or upvoted Answers, there is no benefit to posting a hasty Answer of your own. Did you mean to skip over the distinction between calculus and real analysis? To omit a discussion of the $lambda$-calculus? To skip topics shared between linear algebra and calculus? Much of what you wrote seems entirely beside the point here.
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              When tackling a seven year old Question, esp. one with Accepted or upvoted Answers, there is no benefit to posting a hasty Answer of your own. Did you mean to skip over the distinction between calculus and real analysis? To omit a discussion of the $lambda$-calculus? To skip topics shared between linear algebra and calculus? Much of what you wrote seems entirely beside the point here.
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            When tackling a seven year old Question, esp. one with Accepted or upvoted Answers, there is no benefit to posting a hasty Answer of your own. Did you mean to skip over the distinction between calculus and real analysis? To omit a discussion of the $lambda$-calculus? To skip topics shared between linear algebra and calculus? Much of what you wrote seems entirely beside the point here.
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            $begingroup$
            When tackling a seven year old Question, esp. one with Accepted or upvoted Answers, there is no benefit to posting a hasty Answer of your own. Did you mean to skip over the distinction between calculus and real analysis? To omit a discussion of the $lambda$-calculus? To skip topics shared between linear algebra and calculus? Much of what you wrote seems entirely beside the point here.
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            Calculus is about integration and differentiation. In real analysis we talk about Measure theory and lebesgue integral, proving theorems etc .And that introduces Topology , Functional analysis , Complex analysis , PDE and ODE etc .






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            Calculus is about integration and differentiation. In real analysis we talk about Measure theory and lebesgue integral, proving theorems etc .And that introduces Topology , Functional analysis , Complex analysis , PDE and ODE etc .






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              Welcome to stackexchange. It's good that you want to help by answering questions. But this short answer to an eight year old question does not add anything at all to the good answers already here. Since it uses the terminology of real analysis it would not help the OP in any case. So if you really want to help, look for new unanswered questions where you can contribute.
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            Calculus is about integration and differentiation. In real analysis we talk about Measure theory and lebesgue integral, proving theorems etc .And that introduces Topology , Functional analysis , Complex analysis , PDE and ODE etc .






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            Calculus is about integration and differentiation. In real analysis we talk about Measure theory and lebesgue integral, proving theorems etc .And that introduces Topology , Functional analysis , Complex analysis , PDE and ODE etc .







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              Welcome to stackexchange. It's good that you want to help by answering questions. But this short answer to an eight year old question does not add anything at all to the good answers already here. Since it uses the terminology of real analysis it would not help the OP in any case. So if you really want to help, look for new unanswered questions where you can contribute.
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            • $begingroup$
              Welcome to stackexchange. It's good that you want to help by answering questions. But this short answer to an eight year old question does not add anything at all to the good answers already here. Since it uses the terminology of real analysis it would not help the OP in any case. So if you really want to help, look for new unanswered questions where you can contribute.
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              – Ethan Bolker
              Jul 5 '18 at 1:36
















            $begingroup$
            Welcome to stackexchange. It's good that you want to help by answering questions. But this short answer to an eight year old question does not add anything at all to the good answers already here. Since it uses the terminology of real analysis it would not help the OP in any case. So if you really want to help, look for new unanswered questions where you can contribute.
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            – Ethan Bolker
            Jul 5 '18 at 1:36




            $begingroup$
            Welcome to stackexchange. It's good that you want to help by answering questions. But this short answer to an eight year old question does not add anything at all to the good answers already here. Since it uses the terminology of real analysis it would not help the OP in any case. So if you really want to help, look for new unanswered questions where you can contribute.
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