How to show that if $int_a^bf(x)p(x)dx=0$ for continuous $f$ and polynomial $p$, $f$ is identically is zero?












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Suppose $f$ is continuous on $[a,b]$ and $int_a^bf(x)p(x)dx=0$ for every polynomial $p$ with $p(a)=0=p(b)$.



Show that $f$ is identically is zero?



This question is different than If $f$ is continuous on $[a , b]$ and $int_a^b f(x) p(x)dx = 0$ then $f = 0$



Because we have assumption on the end points of $p$.










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  • What have you tried? If you're stuck, try something easier. Like what if you knew that $f$ was a polynomial?
    – Arthur
    Dec 9 at 18:23










  • Moreover, you might want to take a look at the following (almost duplicate) questions linked here
    – saz
    Dec 9 at 18:28






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    @norfair It's not exactly a duplicate because the OP is imposing that $p(a)=p(b)=0$.
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    Dec 9 at 18:28
















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Suppose $f$ is continuous on $[a,b]$ and $int_a^bf(x)p(x)dx=0$ for every polynomial $p$ with $p(a)=0=p(b)$.



Show that $f$ is identically is zero?



This question is different than If $f$ is continuous on $[a , b]$ and $int_a^b f(x) p(x)dx = 0$ then $f = 0$



Because we have assumption on the end points of $p$.










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  • What have you tried? If you're stuck, try something easier. Like what if you knew that $f$ was a polynomial?
    – Arthur
    Dec 9 at 18:23










  • Moreover, you might want to take a look at the following (almost duplicate) questions linked here
    – saz
    Dec 9 at 18:28






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    @norfair It's not exactly a duplicate because the OP is imposing that $p(a)=p(b)=0$.
    – saz
    Dec 9 at 18:28














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Suppose $f$ is continuous on $[a,b]$ and $int_a^bf(x)p(x)dx=0$ for every polynomial $p$ with $p(a)=0=p(b)$.



Show that $f$ is identically is zero?



This question is different than If $f$ is continuous on $[a , b]$ and $int_a^b f(x) p(x)dx = 0$ then $f = 0$



Because we have assumption on the end points of $p$.










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Suppose $f$ is continuous on $[a,b]$ and $int_a^bf(x)p(x)dx=0$ for every polynomial $p$ with $p(a)=0=p(b)$.



Show that $f$ is identically is zero?



This question is different than If $f$ is continuous on $[a , b]$ and $int_a^b f(x) p(x)dx = 0$ then $f = 0$



Because we have assumption on the end points of $p$.







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  • What have you tried? If you're stuck, try something easier. Like what if you knew that $f$ was a polynomial?
    – Arthur
    Dec 9 at 18:23










  • Moreover, you might want to take a look at the following (almost duplicate) questions linked here
    – saz
    Dec 9 at 18:28






  • 2




    @norfair It's not exactly a duplicate because the OP is imposing that $p(a)=p(b)=0$.
    – saz
    Dec 9 at 18:28


















  • What have you tried? If you're stuck, try something easier. Like what if you knew that $f$ was a polynomial?
    – Arthur
    Dec 9 at 18:23










  • Moreover, you might want to take a look at the following (almost duplicate) questions linked here
    – saz
    Dec 9 at 18:28






  • 2




    @norfair It's not exactly a duplicate because the OP is imposing that $p(a)=p(b)=0$.
    – saz
    Dec 9 at 18:28
















What have you tried? If you're stuck, try something easier. Like what if you knew that $f$ was a polynomial?
– Arthur
Dec 9 at 18:23




What have you tried? If you're stuck, try something easier. Like what if you knew that $f$ was a polynomial?
– Arthur
Dec 9 at 18:23












Moreover, you might want to take a look at the following (almost duplicate) questions linked here
– saz
Dec 9 at 18:28




Moreover, you might want to take a look at the following (almost duplicate) questions linked here
– saz
Dec 9 at 18:28




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@norfair It's not exactly a duplicate because the OP is imposing that $p(a)=p(b)=0$.
– saz
Dec 9 at 18:28




@norfair It's not exactly a duplicate because the OP is imposing that $p(a)=p(b)=0$.
– saz
Dec 9 at 18:28










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A more simple-minded approach might be to say: Consider
$$ frac{1}{B(p,q)} int_0^1 x^{p-1} (1-x)^{q-1} f(x) , dx $$
with $B$ denoting the Beta function. Let $p,q to infty$ with $frac{p}{p+q}=mu$ fixed, and the integral is $f(mu)$ in the limit, which will need to be zero. As this works for any $mu$, we have $f=0$.






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  • I like the probability-inspired solution! I wouldn't really say that's simple-minded though...
    – maridia
    Dec 9 at 18:56












  • Well it's like saying that I can make a polynomial look like a delta function, which I dare say would be frowned upon in an Analysis class!
    – Richard Martin
    Dec 9 at 19:31












  • Yep, which interpreted probabilistically, is some sort of law of large numbers statement. "Simple-minded" to me is a somewhat self-deprecating statement. Maybe you meant it's simple and elegant, which I definitely agree with. The type of argument p4sch gives is certainly the more standard "analysis" one.
    – maridia
    Dec 9 at 19:36



















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The set of all polynomials $p colon mathbb{R} rightarrow mathbb{R}$ with $p(a) = p(b)=0$ form a sub-algebra $mathcal{P}_0$ of the space $C_0((a,b))$, the space of real-valued continuous functions on $(a,b)$ which vanish at $a$ and $b$.




  1. The polynomial $p(t) := (t-a)(t-b)$ has the property that $p(x) ne 0$ for all $x in (0,1)$, i.e. $mathcal{P}_0$ vanishes nowhere.


  2. $mathcal{P}_0$ seperates points, because for $x neq y$ in $(0,1)$ we can define $p(t) := (t-a)(t-b)(t-y)$. Then $p(x) ne 0 = p(y)$.


By the Stone-Weierstraß theorem in the locally compact version the space $mathcal{P}_0$ is dense in $C_0((a,b))$. Since $f$ is bounded, we can conclude that $int_a^b f(x)p(x) , d x =0$ for all $p in mathcal{P}_0$ already implies that
$$int_a^b f(x) g(x) , dx =0 quad text{ for all } g in C_0((a,b)).$$
Now any indicator function of an interval $[c,d]$ with $a<c<d<b$ can be approximated by a sequence of functions from $C_0((a,b))$. Hence we get
$$tag{1}int_c^d f(x) , dx =0.$$
Now the set $mathcal{A}:={A in mathcal{B}((a,b)) colon int_B f(x), dx =0 }$ is a Dynkin-system, which contains a generator of the Borel-$sigma$-Algebra. Therefore we have already $mathcal{A} = mathcal{B}((a,b))$. As known $int_B f(x) , dx =0$ for all $B in mathcal{B}((a,b))$ implies that $f(x) =0$ almost everywhere. Since $f$ is also continuous and nullsets don't contain any interval, we get already $f(x) =0$ for all $x in [a,b]$.






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  • Isn't there a way not to use sub-algebra? I am taking real analysis and want to solve it with that knowledge.
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Lemma: Assume $f$ is continuous on $[a,b]$ and $f(a)=0=f(b).$ Then there exists a sequence of polynomials $p_n$ with $p_n(a)=0=p_n(b)$ such that $p_nto f$ uniformly on $[a,b].$



Proof: By Weierstrass there are polynomials $q_n$ converging uniformly to $f$ on $[a,b].$ Let $l_n$ be the linear function joining $(a,q_n(a)),(b,q_n(b).$ Then $p_n=q_n-l_n$ does the job.



Proof for the given problem: Given $a<a'<b'<b,$ define $g$ this way: on $[a,a']$ $g$ is the line joining $(a,0)$ and $(a',f(a'));$ on $[a',b'],$ $g=f;$ on $[b',b]$ $g$ is the line joining $(b',f(b'))$ and $(b,0).$ Find polynomials $p_n$ converging to $g$ uniformly as in the lemma. Then



$$0= int_a^bfp_n = int_a^{a'}fp_n +int_{a'}^{b'}fp_n + int_{b'}^b fp_n $$ $$to int_a^{a'}fg+int_{a'}^{b'}f^2+ int_{b'}^b fg$$



Now let $a'to a^+, b'to b^-$ to see $0=int_{a}^{b}f^2.$ This proves $fequiv 0.$






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  • We have no assumption on $f$ in the problem statement, except its continuity. How can you assume $f(a)=0=f(b)$?
    – Sepide
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  • Also, could you tell me what you mean by the line joining $(a,q_n(a))$ and $(b,q_n(b))$? Is it $l_n=t(a,q_n(a))-(1-t)(b,q_n(b))$ for all $t geq 0$?
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  • I did not assume $f(a)= f(b)=0.$ However, g(a)= g(b)=0,$ so the lemma applies to $g.$ Your second question: What is the equation of the line joining two given points? You know the answer to that.
    – zhw.
    Dec 16 at 4:55











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A more simple-minded approach might be to say: Consider
$$ frac{1}{B(p,q)} int_0^1 x^{p-1} (1-x)^{q-1} f(x) , dx $$
with $B$ denoting the Beta function. Let $p,q to infty$ with $frac{p}{p+q}=mu$ fixed, and the integral is $f(mu)$ in the limit, which will need to be zero. As this works for any $mu$, we have $f=0$.






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  • I like the probability-inspired solution! I wouldn't really say that's simple-minded though...
    – maridia
    Dec 9 at 18:56












  • Well it's like saying that I can make a polynomial look like a delta function, which I dare say would be frowned upon in an Analysis class!
    – Richard Martin
    Dec 9 at 19:31












  • Yep, which interpreted probabilistically, is some sort of law of large numbers statement. "Simple-minded" to me is a somewhat self-deprecating statement. Maybe you meant it's simple and elegant, which I definitely agree with. The type of argument p4sch gives is certainly the more standard "analysis" one.
    – maridia
    Dec 9 at 19:36
















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A more simple-minded approach might be to say: Consider
$$ frac{1}{B(p,q)} int_0^1 x^{p-1} (1-x)^{q-1} f(x) , dx $$
with $B$ denoting the Beta function. Let $p,q to infty$ with $frac{p}{p+q}=mu$ fixed, and the integral is $f(mu)$ in the limit, which will need to be zero. As this works for any $mu$, we have $f=0$.






share|cite|improve this answer





















  • I like the probability-inspired solution! I wouldn't really say that's simple-minded though...
    – maridia
    Dec 9 at 18:56












  • Well it's like saying that I can make a polynomial look like a delta function, which I dare say would be frowned upon in an Analysis class!
    – Richard Martin
    Dec 9 at 19:31












  • Yep, which interpreted probabilistically, is some sort of law of large numbers statement. "Simple-minded" to me is a somewhat self-deprecating statement. Maybe you meant it's simple and elegant, which I definitely agree with. The type of argument p4sch gives is certainly the more standard "analysis" one.
    – maridia
    Dec 9 at 19:36














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A more simple-minded approach might be to say: Consider
$$ frac{1}{B(p,q)} int_0^1 x^{p-1} (1-x)^{q-1} f(x) , dx $$
with $B$ denoting the Beta function. Let $p,q to infty$ with $frac{p}{p+q}=mu$ fixed, and the integral is $f(mu)$ in the limit, which will need to be zero. As this works for any $mu$, we have $f=0$.






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A more simple-minded approach might be to say: Consider
$$ frac{1}{B(p,q)} int_0^1 x^{p-1} (1-x)^{q-1} f(x) , dx $$
with $B$ denoting the Beta function. Let $p,q to infty$ with $frac{p}{p+q}=mu$ fixed, and the integral is $f(mu)$ in the limit, which will need to be zero. As this works for any $mu$, we have $f=0$.







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  • I like the probability-inspired solution! I wouldn't really say that's simple-minded though...
    – maridia
    Dec 9 at 18:56












  • Well it's like saying that I can make a polynomial look like a delta function, which I dare say would be frowned upon in an Analysis class!
    – Richard Martin
    Dec 9 at 19:31












  • Yep, which interpreted probabilistically, is some sort of law of large numbers statement. "Simple-minded" to me is a somewhat self-deprecating statement. Maybe you meant it's simple and elegant, which I definitely agree with. The type of argument p4sch gives is certainly the more standard "analysis" one.
    – maridia
    Dec 9 at 19:36


















  • I like the probability-inspired solution! I wouldn't really say that's simple-minded though...
    – maridia
    Dec 9 at 18:56












  • Well it's like saying that I can make a polynomial look like a delta function, which I dare say would be frowned upon in an Analysis class!
    – Richard Martin
    Dec 9 at 19:31












  • Yep, which interpreted probabilistically, is some sort of law of large numbers statement. "Simple-minded" to me is a somewhat self-deprecating statement. Maybe you meant it's simple and elegant, which I definitely agree with. The type of argument p4sch gives is certainly the more standard "analysis" one.
    – maridia
    Dec 9 at 19:36
















I like the probability-inspired solution! I wouldn't really say that's simple-minded though...
– maridia
Dec 9 at 18:56






I like the probability-inspired solution! I wouldn't really say that's simple-minded though...
– maridia
Dec 9 at 18:56














Well it's like saying that I can make a polynomial look like a delta function, which I dare say would be frowned upon in an Analysis class!
– Richard Martin
Dec 9 at 19:31






Well it's like saying that I can make a polynomial look like a delta function, which I dare say would be frowned upon in an Analysis class!
– Richard Martin
Dec 9 at 19:31














Yep, which interpreted probabilistically, is some sort of law of large numbers statement. "Simple-minded" to me is a somewhat self-deprecating statement. Maybe you meant it's simple and elegant, which I definitely agree with. The type of argument p4sch gives is certainly the more standard "analysis" one.
– maridia
Dec 9 at 19:36




Yep, which interpreted probabilistically, is some sort of law of large numbers statement. "Simple-minded" to me is a somewhat self-deprecating statement. Maybe you meant it's simple and elegant, which I definitely agree with. The type of argument p4sch gives is certainly the more standard "analysis" one.
– maridia
Dec 9 at 19:36











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The set of all polynomials $p colon mathbb{R} rightarrow mathbb{R}$ with $p(a) = p(b)=0$ form a sub-algebra $mathcal{P}_0$ of the space $C_0((a,b))$, the space of real-valued continuous functions on $(a,b)$ which vanish at $a$ and $b$.




  1. The polynomial $p(t) := (t-a)(t-b)$ has the property that $p(x) ne 0$ for all $x in (0,1)$, i.e. $mathcal{P}_0$ vanishes nowhere.


  2. $mathcal{P}_0$ seperates points, because for $x neq y$ in $(0,1)$ we can define $p(t) := (t-a)(t-b)(t-y)$. Then $p(x) ne 0 = p(y)$.


By the Stone-Weierstraß theorem in the locally compact version the space $mathcal{P}_0$ is dense in $C_0((a,b))$. Since $f$ is bounded, we can conclude that $int_a^b f(x)p(x) , d x =0$ for all $p in mathcal{P}_0$ already implies that
$$int_a^b f(x) g(x) , dx =0 quad text{ for all } g in C_0((a,b)).$$
Now any indicator function of an interval $[c,d]$ with $a<c<d<b$ can be approximated by a sequence of functions from $C_0((a,b))$. Hence we get
$$tag{1}int_c^d f(x) , dx =0.$$
Now the set $mathcal{A}:={A in mathcal{B}((a,b)) colon int_B f(x), dx =0 }$ is a Dynkin-system, which contains a generator of the Borel-$sigma$-Algebra. Therefore we have already $mathcal{A} = mathcal{B}((a,b))$. As known $int_B f(x) , dx =0$ for all $B in mathcal{B}((a,b))$ implies that $f(x) =0$ almost everywhere. Since $f$ is also continuous and nullsets don't contain any interval, we get already $f(x) =0$ for all $x in [a,b]$.






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  • Isn't there a way not to use sub-algebra? I am taking real analysis and want to solve it with that knowledge.
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The set of all polynomials $p colon mathbb{R} rightarrow mathbb{R}$ with $p(a) = p(b)=0$ form a sub-algebra $mathcal{P}_0$ of the space $C_0((a,b))$, the space of real-valued continuous functions on $(a,b)$ which vanish at $a$ and $b$.




  1. The polynomial $p(t) := (t-a)(t-b)$ has the property that $p(x) ne 0$ for all $x in (0,1)$, i.e. $mathcal{P}_0$ vanishes nowhere.


  2. $mathcal{P}_0$ seperates points, because for $x neq y$ in $(0,1)$ we can define $p(t) := (t-a)(t-b)(t-y)$. Then $p(x) ne 0 = p(y)$.


By the Stone-Weierstraß theorem in the locally compact version the space $mathcal{P}_0$ is dense in $C_0((a,b))$. Since $f$ is bounded, we can conclude that $int_a^b f(x)p(x) , d x =0$ for all $p in mathcal{P}_0$ already implies that
$$int_a^b f(x) g(x) , dx =0 quad text{ for all } g in C_0((a,b)).$$
Now any indicator function of an interval $[c,d]$ with $a<c<d<b$ can be approximated by a sequence of functions from $C_0((a,b))$. Hence we get
$$tag{1}int_c^d f(x) , dx =0.$$
Now the set $mathcal{A}:={A in mathcal{B}((a,b)) colon int_B f(x), dx =0 }$ is a Dynkin-system, which contains a generator of the Borel-$sigma$-Algebra. Therefore we have already $mathcal{A} = mathcal{B}((a,b))$. As known $int_B f(x) , dx =0$ for all $B in mathcal{B}((a,b))$ implies that $f(x) =0$ almost everywhere. Since $f$ is also continuous and nullsets don't contain any interval, we get already $f(x) =0$ for all $x in [a,b]$.






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  • Isn't there a way not to use sub-algebra? I am taking real analysis and want to solve it with that knowledge.
    – Sepide
    Dec 16 at 0:03














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The set of all polynomials $p colon mathbb{R} rightarrow mathbb{R}$ with $p(a) = p(b)=0$ form a sub-algebra $mathcal{P}_0$ of the space $C_0((a,b))$, the space of real-valued continuous functions on $(a,b)$ which vanish at $a$ and $b$.




  1. The polynomial $p(t) := (t-a)(t-b)$ has the property that $p(x) ne 0$ for all $x in (0,1)$, i.e. $mathcal{P}_0$ vanishes nowhere.


  2. $mathcal{P}_0$ seperates points, because for $x neq y$ in $(0,1)$ we can define $p(t) := (t-a)(t-b)(t-y)$. Then $p(x) ne 0 = p(y)$.


By the Stone-Weierstraß theorem in the locally compact version the space $mathcal{P}_0$ is dense in $C_0((a,b))$. Since $f$ is bounded, we can conclude that $int_a^b f(x)p(x) , d x =0$ for all $p in mathcal{P}_0$ already implies that
$$int_a^b f(x) g(x) , dx =0 quad text{ for all } g in C_0((a,b)).$$
Now any indicator function of an interval $[c,d]$ with $a<c<d<b$ can be approximated by a sequence of functions from $C_0((a,b))$. Hence we get
$$tag{1}int_c^d f(x) , dx =0.$$
Now the set $mathcal{A}:={A in mathcal{B}((a,b)) colon int_B f(x), dx =0 }$ is a Dynkin-system, which contains a generator of the Borel-$sigma$-Algebra. Therefore we have already $mathcal{A} = mathcal{B}((a,b))$. As known $int_B f(x) , dx =0$ for all $B in mathcal{B}((a,b))$ implies that $f(x) =0$ almost everywhere. Since $f$ is also continuous and nullsets don't contain any interval, we get already $f(x) =0$ for all $x in [a,b]$.






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The set of all polynomials $p colon mathbb{R} rightarrow mathbb{R}$ with $p(a) = p(b)=0$ form a sub-algebra $mathcal{P}_0$ of the space $C_0((a,b))$, the space of real-valued continuous functions on $(a,b)$ which vanish at $a$ and $b$.




  1. The polynomial $p(t) := (t-a)(t-b)$ has the property that $p(x) ne 0$ for all $x in (0,1)$, i.e. $mathcal{P}_0$ vanishes nowhere.


  2. $mathcal{P}_0$ seperates points, because for $x neq y$ in $(0,1)$ we can define $p(t) := (t-a)(t-b)(t-y)$. Then $p(x) ne 0 = p(y)$.


By the Stone-Weierstraß theorem in the locally compact version the space $mathcal{P}_0$ is dense in $C_0((a,b))$. Since $f$ is bounded, we can conclude that $int_a^b f(x)p(x) , d x =0$ for all $p in mathcal{P}_0$ already implies that
$$int_a^b f(x) g(x) , dx =0 quad text{ for all } g in C_0((a,b)).$$
Now any indicator function of an interval $[c,d]$ with $a<c<d<b$ can be approximated by a sequence of functions from $C_0((a,b))$. Hence we get
$$tag{1}int_c^d f(x) , dx =0.$$
Now the set $mathcal{A}:={A in mathcal{B}((a,b)) colon int_B f(x), dx =0 }$ is a Dynkin-system, which contains a generator of the Borel-$sigma$-Algebra. Therefore we have already $mathcal{A} = mathcal{B}((a,b))$. As known $int_B f(x) , dx =0$ for all $B in mathcal{B}((a,b))$ implies that $f(x) =0$ almost everywhere. Since $f$ is also continuous and nullsets don't contain any interval, we get already $f(x) =0$ for all $x in [a,b]$.







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  • Isn't there a way not to use sub-algebra? I am taking real analysis and want to solve it with that knowledge.
    – Sepide
    Dec 16 at 0:03


















  • Isn't there a way not to use sub-algebra? I am taking real analysis and want to solve it with that knowledge.
    – Sepide
    Dec 16 at 0:03
















Isn't there a way not to use sub-algebra? I am taking real analysis and want to solve it with that knowledge.
– Sepide
Dec 16 at 0:03




Isn't there a way not to use sub-algebra? I am taking real analysis and want to solve it with that knowledge.
– Sepide
Dec 16 at 0:03











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Lemma: Assume $f$ is continuous on $[a,b]$ and $f(a)=0=f(b).$ Then there exists a sequence of polynomials $p_n$ with $p_n(a)=0=p_n(b)$ such that $p_nto f$ uniformly on $[a,b].$



Proof: By Weierstrass there are polynomials $q_n$ converging uniformly to $f$ on $[a,b].$ Let $l_n$ be the linear function joining $(a,q_n(a)),(b,q_n(b).$ Then $p_n=q_n-l_n$ does the job.



Proof for the given problem: Given $a<a'<b'<b,$ define $g$ this way: on $[a,a']$ $g$ is the line joining $(a,0)$ and $(a',f(a'));$ on $[a',b'],$ $g=f;$ on $[b',b]$ $g$ is the line joining $(b',f(b'))$ and $(b,0).$ Find polynomials $p_n$ converging to $g$ uniformly as in the lemma. Then



$$0= int_a^bfp_n = int_a^{a'}fp_n +int_{a'}^{b'}fp_n + int_{b'}^b fp_n $$ $$to int_a^{a'}fg+int_{a'}^{b'}f^2+ int_{b'}^b fg$$



Now let $a'to a^+, b'to b^-$ to see $0=int_{a}^{b}f^2.$ This proves $fequiv 0.$






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  • We have no assumption on $f$ in the problem statement, except its continuity. How can you assume $f(a)=0=f(b)$?
    – Sepide
    Dec 15 at 23:47










  • Also, could you tell me what you mean by the line joining $(a,q_n(a))$ and $(b,q_n(b))$? Is it $l_n=t(a,q_n(a))-(1-t)(b,q_n(b))$ for all $t geq 0$?
    – Sepide
    Dec 16 at 0:00












  • I did not assume $f(a)= f(b)=0.$ However, g(a)= g(b)=0,$ so the lemma applies to $g.$ Your second question: What is the equation of the line joining two given points? You know the answer to that.
    – zhw.
    Dec 16 at 4:55
















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Lemma: Assume $f$ is continuous on $[a,b]$ and $f(a)=0=f(b).$ Then there exists a sequence of polynomials $p_n$ with $p_n(a)=0=p_n(b)$ such that $p_nto f$ uniformly on $[a,b].$



Proof: By Weierstrass there are polynomials $q_n$ converging uniformly to $f$ on $[a,b].$ Let $l_n$ be the linear function joining $(a,q_n(a)),(b,q_n(b).$ Then $p_n=q_n-l_n$ does the job.



Proof for the given problem: Given $a<a'<b'<b,$ define $g$ this way: on $[a,a']$ $g$ is the line joining $(a,0)$ and $(a',f(a'));$ on $[a',b'],$ $g=f;$ on $[b',b]$ $g$ is the line joining $(b',f(b'))$ and $(b,0).$ Find polynomials $p_n$ converging to $g$ uniformly as in the lemma. Then



$$0= int_a^bfp_n = int_a^{a'}fp_n +int_{a'}^{b'}fp_n + int_{b'}^b fp_n $$ $$to int_a^{a'}fg+int_{a'}^{b'}f^2+ int_{b'}^b fg$$



Now let $a'to a^+, b'to b^-$ to see $0=int_{a}^{b}f^2.$ This proves $fequiv 0.$






share|cite|improve this answer





















  • We have no assumption on $f$ in the problem statement, except its continuity. How can you assume $f(a)=0=f(b)$?
    – Sepide
    Dec 15 at 23:47










  • Also, could you tell me what you mean by the line joining $(a,q_n(a))$ and $(b,q_n(b))$? Is it $l_n=t(a,q_n(a))-(1-t)(b,q_n(b))$ for all $t geq 0$?
    – Sepide
    Dec 16 at 0:00












  • I did not assume $f(a)= f(b)=0.$ However, g(a)= g(b)=0,$ so the lemma applies to $g.$ Your second question: What is the equation of the line joining two given points? You know the answer to that.
    – zhw.
    Dec 16 at 4:55














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Lemma: Assume $f$ is continuous on $[a,b]$ and $f(a)=0=f(b).$ Then there exists a sequence of polynomials $p_n$ with $p_n(a)=0=p_n(b)$ such that $p_nto f$ uniformly on $[a,b].$



Proof: By Weierstrass there are polynomials $q_n$ converging uniformly to $f$ on $[a,b].$ Let $l_n$ be the linear function joining $(a,q_n(a)),(b,q_n(b).$ Then $p_n=q_n-l_n$ does the job.



Proof for the given problem: Given $a<a'<b'<b,$ define $g$ this way: on $[a,a']$ $g$ is the line joining $(a,0)$ and $(a',f(a'));$ on $[a',b'],$ $g=f;$ on $[b',b]$ $g$ is the line joining $(b',f(b'))$ and $(b,0).$ Find polynomials $p_n$ converging to $g$ uniformly as in the lemma. Then



$$0= int_a^bfp_n = int_a^{a'}fp_n +int_{a'}^{b'}fp_n + int_{b'}^b fp_n $$ $$to int_a^{a'}fg+int_{a'}^{b'}f^2+ int_{b'}^b fg$$



Now let $a'to a^+, b'to b^-$ to see $0=int_{a}^{b}f^2.$ This proves $fequiv 0.$






share|cite|improve this answer












Lemma: Assume $f$ is continuous on $[a,b]$ and $f(a)=0=f(b).$ Then there exists a sequence of polynomials $p_n$ with $p_n(a)=0=p_n(b)$ such that $p_nto f$ uniformly on $[a,b].$



Proof: By Weierstrass there are polynomials $q_n$ converging uniformly to $f$ on $[a,b].$ Let $l_n$ be the linear function joining $(a,q_n(a)),(b,q_n(b).$ Then $p_n=q_n-l_n$ does the job.



Proof for the given problem: Given $a<a'<b'<b,$ define $g$ this way: on $[a,a']$ $g$ is the line joining $(a,0)$ and $(a',f(a'));$ on $[a',b'],$ $g=f;$ on $[b',b]$ $g$ is the line joining $(b',f(b'))$ and $(b,0).$ Find polynomials $p_n$ converging to $g$ uniformly as in the lemma. Then



$$0= int_a^bfp_n = int_a^{a'}fp_n +int_{a'}^{b'}fp_n + int_{b'}^b fp_n $$ $$to int_a^{a'}fg+int_{a'}^{b'}f^2+ int_{b'}^b fg$$



Now let $a'to a^+, b'to b^-$ to see $0=int_{a}^{b}f^2.$ This proves $fequiv 0.$







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  • We have no assumption on $f$ in the problem statement, except its continuity. How can you assume $f(a)=0=f(b)$?
    – Sepide
    Dec 15 at 23:47










  • Also, could you tell me what you mean by the line joining $(a,q_n(a))$ and $(b,q_n(b))$? Is it $l_n=t(a,q_n(a))-(1-t)(b,q_n(b))$ for all $t geq 0$?
    – Sepide
    Dec 16 at 0:00












  • I did not assume $f(a)= f(b)=0.$ However, g(a)= g(b)=0,$ so the lemma applies to $g.$ Your second question: What is the equation of the line joining two given points? You know the answer to that.
    – zhw.
    Dec 16 at 4:55


















  • We have no assumption on $f$ in the problem statement, except its continuity. How can you assume $f(a)=0=f(b)$?
    – Sepide
    Dec 15 at 23:47










  • Also, could you tell me what you mean by the line joining $(a,q_n(a))$ and $(b,q_n(b))$? Is it $l_n=t(a,q_n(a))-(1-t)(b,q_n(b))$ for all $t geq 0$?
    – Sepide
    Dec 16 at 0:00












  • I did not assume $f(a)= f(b)=0.$ However, g(a)= g(b)=0,$ so the lemma applies to $g.$ Your second question: What is the equation of the line joining two given points? You know the answer to that.
    – zhw.
    Dec 16 at 4:55
















We have no assumption on $f$ in the problem statement, except its continuity. How can you assume $f(a)=0=f(b)$?
– Sepide
Dec 15 at 23:47




We have no assumption on $f$ in the problem statement, except its continuity. How can you assume $f(a)=0=f(b)$?
– Sepide
Dec 15 at 23:47












Also, could you tell me what you mean by the line joining $(a,q_n(a))$ and $(b,q_n(b))$? Is it $l_n=t(a,q_n(a))-(1-t)(b,q_n(b))$ for all $t geq 0$?
– Sepide
Dec 16 at 0:00






Also, could you tell me what you mean by the line joining $(a,q_n(a))$ and $(b,q_n(b))$? Is it $l_n=t(a,q_n(a))-(1-t)(b,q_n(b))$ for all $t geq 0$?
– Sepide
Dec 16 at 0:00














I did not assume $f(a)= f(b)=0.$ However, g(a)= g(b)=0,$ so the lemma applies to $g.$ Your second question: What is the equation of the line joining two given points? You know the answer to that.
– zhw.
Dec 16 at 4:55




I did not assume $f(a)= f(b)=0.$ However, g(a)= g(b)=0,$ so the lemma applies to $g.$ Your second question: What is the equation of the line joining two given points? You know the answer to that.
– zhw.
Dec 16 at 4:55


















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