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I want to prove $l^1$ is complete. I want to prove that any Cauchy sequence $(x_n)$ is Convergent to $(y)$ whose $y_i$ is the limit of the sequence $x_{(n,i)}$ . I want to prove this part first then I would show that $||y||$ is bounded not the other way around.



Can anyone please help me to proceed? I am really having
trouble to visualize that the Cauchy sequence $(x_n)$ converges to $(y)$.










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    if $(x_n)$ is Cauchy, then so are the coordinate sequences $(x^{(j)}_n)$. So if your scalar field is complete, you get a candidate for the limit sequence.
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    Yea I understood up to the limit point convergence. I have written this in my question. $(y)$ is that sequence. But I have to prove that $(x_n)$ converges to $(y)$.@Matematleta
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    Then, I am not sure what you are asking but I have posted a sketch of a proof. If it is not what you are looking for, let me know and I will be happy to delete it.
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    – Matematleta
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    Please show me how the Cauchy sequence $(x_n)$ converges to $y$.@Matematleta
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    Jan 6 at 20:01
















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I want to prove $l^1$ is complete. I want to prove that any Cauchy sequence $(x_n)$ is Convergent to $(y)$ whose $y_i$ is the limit of the sequence $x_{(n,i)}$ . I want to prove this part first then I would show that $||y||$ is bounded not the other way around.



Can anyone please help me to proceed? I am really having
trouble to visualize that the Cauchy sequence $(x_n)$ converges to $(y)$.










share|cite|improve this question









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  • $begingroup$
    if $(x_n)$ is Cauchy, then so are the coordinate sequences $(x^{(j)}_n)$. So if your scalar field is complete, you get a candidate for the limit sequence.
    $endgroup$
    – Matematleta
    Jan 6 at 19:01












  • $begingroup$
    Yea I understood up to the limit point convergence. I have written this in my question. $(y)$ is that sequence. But I have to prove that $(x_n)$ converges to $(y)$.@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 19:04










  • $begingroup$
    Then, I am not sure what you are asking but I have posted a sketch of a proof. If it is not what you are looking for, let me know and I will be happy to delete it.
    $endgroup$
    – Matematleta
    Jan 6 at 19:53












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    Please show me how the Cauchy sequence $(x_n)$ converges to $y$.@Matematleta
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    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:01














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I want to prove $l^1$ is complete. I want to prove that any Cauchy sequence $(x_n)$ is Convergent to $(y)$ whose $y_i$ is the limit of the sequence $x_{(n,i)}$ . I want to prove this part first then I would show that $||y||$ is bounded not the other way around.



Can anyone please help me to proceed? I am really having
trouble to visualize that the Cauchy sequence $(x_n)$ converges to $(y)$.










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I want to prove $l^1$ is complete. I want to prove that any Cauchy sequence $(x_n)$ is Convergent to $(y)$ whose $y_i$ is the limit of the sequence $x_{(n,i)}$ . I want to prove this part first then I would show that $||y||$ is bounded not the other way around.



Can anyone please help me to proceed? I am really having
trouble to visualize that the Cauchy sequence $(x_n)$ converges to $(y)$.







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    if $(x_n)$ is Cauchy, then so are the coordinate sequences $(x^{(j)}_n)$. So if your scalar field is complete, you get a candidate for the limit sequence.
    $endgroup$
    – Matematleta
    Jan 6 at 19:01












  • $begingroup$
    Yea I understood up to the limit point convergence. I have written this in my question. $(y)$ is that sequence. But I have to prove that $(x_n)$ converges to $(y)$.@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 19:04










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    Then, I am not sure what you are asking but I have posted a sketch of a proof. If it is not what you are looking for, let me know and I will be happy to delete it.
    $endgroup$
    – Matematleta
    Jan 6 at 19:53












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    Please show me how the Cauchy sequence $(x_n)$ converges to $y$.@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:01


















  • $begingroup$
    if $(x_n)$ is Cauchy, then so are the coordinate sequences $(x^{(j)}_n)$. So if your scalar field is complete, you get a candidate for the limit sequence.
    $endgroup$
    – Matematleta
    Jan 6 at 19:01












  • $begingroup$
    Yea I understood up to the limit point convergence. I have written this in my question. $(y)$ is that sequence. But I have to prove that $(x_n)$ converges to $(y)$.@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 19:04










  • $begingroup$
    Then, I am not sure what you are asking but I have posted a sketch of a proof. If it is not what you are looking for, let me know and I will be happy to delete it.
    $endgroup$
    – Matematleta
    Jan 6 at 19:53












  • $begingroup$
    Please show me how the Cauchy sequence $(x_n)$ converges to $y$.@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:01
















$begingroup$
if $(x_n)$ is Cauchy, then so are the coordinate sequences $(x^{(j)}_n)$. So if your scalar field is complete, you get a candidate for the limit sequence.
$endgroup$
– Matematleta
Jan 6 at 19:01






$begingroup$
if $(x_n)$ is Cauchy, then so are the coordinate sequences $(x^{(j)}_n)$. So if your scalar field is complete, you get a candidate for the limit sequence.
$endgroup$
– Matematleta
Jan 6 at 19:01














$begingroup$
Yea I understood up to the limit point convergence. I have written this in my question. $(y)$ is that sequence. But I have to prove that $(x_n)$ converges to $(y)$.@Matematleta
$endgroup$
– cmi
Jan 6 at 19:04




$begingroup$
Yea I understood up to the limit point convergence. I have written this in my question. $(y)$ is that sequence. But I have to prove that $(x_n)$ converges to $(y)$.@Matematleta
$endgroup$
– cmi
Jan 6 at 19:04












$begingroup$
Then, I am not sure what you are asking but I have posted a sketch of a proof. If it is not what you are looking for, let me know and I will be happy to delete it.
$endgroup$
– Matematleta
Jan 6 at 19:53






$begingroup$
Then, I am not sure what you are asking but I have posted a sketch of a proof. If it is not what you are looking for, let me know and I will be happy to delete it.
$endgroup$
– Matematleta
Jan 6 at 19:53














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Please show me how the Cauchy sequence $(x_n)$ converges to $y$.@Matematleta
$endgroup$
– cmi
Jan 6 at 20:01




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Please show me how the Cauchy sequence $(x_n)$ converges to $y$.@Matematleta
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– cmi
Jan 6 at 20:01










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Sketch: picking up from our comments, we have $x^{(j)}_nto y_j$ for each $jin mathbb N$.



Step $1$: show that $y=(y_j)in ell^1:$



$|y|:=lim_{Jto infty}sum^J_{j=1}|y_j|=lim_{Jto infty}(sum^J_{j=1}lim_{nto infty}|x^{(j)}_n|)=lim_{Jto infty}lim_{nto infty}(sum^J_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|).$



Now, $sum^J_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|le sum^{infty}_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|=|x_n|le M<infty $ because the original sequence $(x_n)$ is Cauchy, hence bounded. So,



$|y|le lim_{nto infty}M=M.$



Step $2:$ Prove that $|x_n-y|to 0:$



Let $epsilon>0$ and choose an integer $N$ such that $l,n>NRightarrow |x_l-x_n|<epsilon.$



Then, $sum^J_{j=1}|x_n^{(j)}-x_l^{(j)}|le sum^{infty}_{j=1}|x_n^{(j)}-x_l^{(j)}|=|x_n-x_l|<epsilon.$



I'll leave the rest to you: keep $n>N$, fix $J$ and let $lto infty.$ Finally, let $Jto infty.$






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    I have problem in the second part. Please complete it. @Matematleta
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    And I have seen this proof earlier. It is kind of escaping proof. It can not be visualized.@Matematleta
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    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:05










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    The Cauchy criterion? What? All I am doing is proving that the logical candidate for the limit of the $(x_n)$ is indeed the limit. To do this, you need to show two things 1). it's in $ell^1$. and 2) the sequence $(x_n)$ actually converges to it. I think my sketch is a good roadmap. Suggestion: write the sequence $(x_n)$ in matrix form to see what is going on. The fact that $(x_n)$ is Cauchy in each coordinate is really all you need to know.
    $endgroup$
    – Matematleta
    Jan 6 at 20:06












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    without using limit can you show it ?@Matematleta
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    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:43






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    Your answer helped me to understand what I wanted to understand.@Matematleta
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Sketch: picking up from our comments, we have $x^{(j)}_nto y_j$ for each $jin mathbb N$.



Step $1$: show that $y=(y_j)in ell^1:$



$|y|:=lim_{Jto infty}sum^J_{j=1}|y_j|=lim_{Jto infty}(sum^J_{j=1}lim_{nto infty}|x^{(j)}_n|)=lim_{Jto infty}lim_{nto infty}(sum^J_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|).$



Now, $sum^J_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|le sum^{infty}_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|=|x_n|le M<infty $ because the original sequence $(x_n)$ is Cauchy, hence bounded. So,



$|y|le lim_{nto infty}M=M.$



Step $2:$ Prove that $|x_n-y|to 0:$



Let $epsilon>0$ and choose an integer $N$ such that $l,n>NRightarrow |x_l-x_n|<epsilon.$



Then, $sum^J_{j=1}|x_n^{(j)}-x_l^{(j)}|le sum^{infty}_{j=1}|x_n^{(j)}-x_l^{(j)}|=|x_n-x_l|<epsilon.$



I'll leave the rest to you: keep $n>N$, fix $J$ and let $lto infty.$ Finally, let $Jto infty.$






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    I have problem in the second part. Please complete it. @Matematleta
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    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:00












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    And I have seen this proof earlier. It is kind of escaping proof. It can not be visualized.@Matematleta
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    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:05










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    The Cauchy criterion? What? All I am doing is proving that the logical candidate for the limit of the $(x_n)$ is indeed the limit. To do this, you need to show two things 1). it's in $ell^1$. and 2) the sequence $(x_n)$ actually converges to it. I think my sketch is a good roadmap. Suggestion: write the sequence $(x_n)$ in matrix form to see what is going on. The fact that $(x_n)$ is Cauchy in each coordinate is really all you need to know.
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    – Matematleta
    Jan 6 at 20:06












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    without using limit can you show it ?@Matematleta
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    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:43






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    Your answer helped me to understand what I wanted to understand.@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 9 at 4:14
















1












$begingroup$

Sketch: picking up from our comments, we have $x^{(j)}_nto y_j$ for each $jin mathbb N$.



Step $1$: show that $y=(y_j)in ell^1:$



$|y|:=lim_{Jto infty}sum^J_{j=1}|y_j|=lim_{Jto infty}(sum^J_{j=1}lim_{nto infty}|x^{(j)}_n|)=lim_{Jto infty}lim_{nto infty}(sum^J_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|).$



Now, $sum^J_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|le sum^{infty}_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|=|x_n|le M<infty $ because the original sequence $(x_n)$ is Cauchy, hence bounded. So,



$|y|le lim_{nto infty}M=M.$



Step $2:$ Prove that $|x_n-y|to 0:$



Let $epsilon>0$ and choose an integer $N$ such that $l,n>NRightarrow |x_l-x_n|<epsilon.$



Then, $sum^J_{j=1}|x_n^{(j)}-x_l^{(j)}|le sum^{infty}_{j=1}|x_n^{(j)}-x_l^{(j)}|=|x_n-x_l|<epsilon.$



I'll leave the rest to you: keep $n>N$, fix $J$ and let $lto infty.$ Finally, let $Jto infty.$






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    I have problem in the second part. Please complete it. @Matematleta
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    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:00












  • $begingroup$
    And I have seen this proof earlier. It is kind of escaping proof. It can not be visualized.@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:05










  • $begingroup$
    The Cauchy criterion? What? All I am doing is proving that the logical candidate for the limit of the $(x_n)$ is indeed the limit. To do this, you need to show two things 1). it's in $ell^1$. and 2) the sequence $(x_n)$ actually converges to it. I think my sketch is a good roadmap. Suggestion: write the sequence $(x_n)$ in matrix form to see what is going on. The fact that $(x_n)$ is Cauchy in each coordinate is really all you need to know.
    $endgroup$
    – Matematleta
    Jan 6 at 20:06












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    without using limit can you show it ?@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:43






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Your answer helped me to understand what I wanted to understand.@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 9 at 4:14














1












1








1





$begingroup$

Sketch: picking up from our comments, we have $x^{(j)}_nto y_j$ for each $jin mathbb N$.



Step $1$: show that $y=(y_j)in ell^1:$



$|y|:=lim_{Jto infty}sum^J_{j=1}|y_j|=lim_{Jto infty}(sum^J_{j=1}lim_{nto infty}|x^{(j)}_n|)=lim_{Jto infty}lim_{nto infty}(sum^J_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|).$



Now, $sum^J_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|le sum^{infty}_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|=|x_n|le M<infty $ because the original sequence $(x_n)$ is Cauchy, hence bounded. So,



$|y|le lim_{nto infty}M=M.$



Step $2:$ Prove that $|x_n-y|to 0:$



Let $epsilon>0$ and choose an integer $N$ such that $l,n>NRightarrow |x_l-x_n|<epsilon.$



Then, $sum^J_{j=1}|x_n^{(j)}-x_l^{(j)}|le sum^{infty}_{j=1}|x_n^{(j)}-x_l^{(j)}|=|x_n-x_l|<epsilon.$



I'll leave the rest to you: keep $n>N$, fix $J$ and let $lto infty.$ Finally, let $Jto infty.$






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Sketch: picking up from our comments, we have $x^{(j)}_nto y_j$ for each $jin mathbb N$.



Step $1$: show that $y=(y_j)in ell^1:$



$|y|:=lim_{Jto infty}sum^J_{j=1}|y_j|=lim_{Jto infty}(sum^J_{j=1}lim_{nto infty}|x^{(j)}_n|)=lim_{Jto infty}lim_{nto infty}(sum^J_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|).$



Now, $sum^J_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|le sum^{infty}_{j=1}|x^{(j)}_n|=|x_n|le M<infty $ because the original sequence $(x_n)$ is Cauchy, hence bounded. So,



$|y|le lim_{nto infty}M=M.$



Step $2:$ Prove that $|x_n-y|to 0:$



Let $epsilon>0$ and choose an integer $N$ such that $l,n>NRightarrow |x_l-x_n|<epsilon.$



Then, $sum^J_{j=1}|x_n^{(j)}-x_l^{(j)}|le sum^{infty}_{j=1}|x_n^{(j)}-x_l^{(j)}|=|x_n-x_l|<epsilon.$



I'll leave the rest to you: keep $n>N$, fix $J$ and let $lto infty.$ Finally, let $Jto infty.$







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    I have problem in the second part. Please complete it. @Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:00












  • $begingroup$
    And I have seen this proof earlier. It is kind of escaping proof. It can not be visualized.@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:05










  • $begingroup$
    The Cauchy criterion? What? All I am doing is proving that the logical candidate for the limit of the $(x_n)$ is indeed the limit. To do this, you need to show two things 1). it's in $ell^1$. and 2) the sequence $(x_n)$ actually converges to it. I think my sketch is a good roadmap. Suggestion: write the sequence $(x_n)$ in matrix form to see what is going on. The fact that $(x_n)$ is Cauchy in each coordinate is really all you need to know.
    $endgroup$
    – Matematleta
    Jan 6 at 20:06












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    without using limit can you show it ?@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:43






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Your answer helped me to understand what I wanted to understand.@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 9 at 4:14


















  • $begingroup$
    I have problem in the second part. Please complete it. @Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:00












  • $begingroup$
    And I have seen this proof earlier. It is kind of escaping proof. It can not be visualized.@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:05










  • $begingroup$
    The Cauchy criterion? What? All I am doing is proving that the logical candidate for the limit of the $(x_n)$ is indeed the limit. To do this, you need to show two things 1). it's in $ell^1$. and 2) the sequence $(x_n)$ actually converges to it. I think my sketch is a good roadmap. Suggestion: write the sequence $(x_n)$ in matrix form to see what is going on. The fact that $(x_n)$ is Cauchy in each coordinate is really all you need to know.
    $endgroup$
    – Matematleta
    Jan 6 at 20:06












  • $begingroup$
    without using limit can you show it ?@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 6 at 20:43






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Your answer helped me to understand what I wanted to understand.@Matematleta
    $endgroup$
    – cmi
    Jan 9 at 4:14
















$begingroup$
I have problem in the second part. Please complete it. @Matematleta
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$begingroup$
I have problem in the second part. Please complete it. @Matematleta
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– cmi
Jan 6 at 20:00














$begingroup$
And I have seen this proof earlier. It is kind of escaping proof. It can not be visualized.@Matematleta
$endgroup$
– cmi
Jan 6 at 20:05




$begingroup$
And I have seen this proof earlier. It is kind of escaping proof. It can not be visualized.@Matematleta
$endgroup$
– cmi
Jan 6 at 20:05












$begingroup$
The Cauchy criterion? What? All I am doing is proving that the logical candidate for the limit of the $(x_n)$ is indeed the limit. To do this, you need to show two things 1). it's in $ell^1$. and 2) the sequence $(x_n)$ actually converges to it. I think my sketch is a good roadmap. Suggestion: write the sequence $(x_n)$ in matrix form to see what is going on. The fact that $(x_n)$ is Cauchy in each coordinate is really all you need to know.
$endgroup$
– Matematleta
Jan 6 at 20:06






$begingroup$
The Cauchy criterion? What? All I am doing is proving that the logical candidate for the limit of the $(x_n)$ is indeed the limit. To do this, you need to show two things 1). it's in $ell^1$. and 2) the sequence $(x_n)$ actually converges to it. I think my sketch is a good roadmap. Suggestion: write the sequence $(x_n)$ in matrix form to see what is going on. The fact that $(x_n)$ is Cauchy in each coordinate is really all you need to know.
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without using limit can you show it ?@Matematleta
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without using limit can you show it ?@Matematleta
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