non-constant acceleration, how to find time and distance?
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A roulette ball spins around a rim.
What is the time ($t$) and distance ($d$) in which the velocity of the ball $= v$ (whatever number)?
The Deceleration of the ball from $4$ spins was plotted on a scatter and was best described with the following $3$rd order polynomial:
$$A(t)= 0.0396t^3 - 1.1035t^2 + 10.25t -33.898 quadtext{with}~ R^2 = 84.6%$$
I have been trying to find Time and distance from velocity and acceleration using:
begin{align*}t &= frac{text{Final Velocity} - text{Initial Velocity}}{text{Acceleration}} d \
&= text{Initial Velocity} times text{Time} + frac12 text{Acceleration} times text{Time}^2
end{align*}
Unfortunately this equation assumes a constant acceleration and so gives me nonsense since the acceleration of the ball is not constant.
I don't know if this will be useful but the relationship I see is: the higher the ball velocity, the higher the rate of deceleration. So I plotted Acceleration as a function of Velocity:
$$A(V) = -0.00008v^3 + 0.0125v^2 - 0.7688v + 14.983 R^2 = 0.88$$
Thank you I've researched this for 3 damn hours.. if anyone can put me in the right direction it would be appreciated, thanks
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A roulette ball spins around a rim.
What is the time ($t$) and distance ($d$) in which the velocity of the ball $= v$ (whatever number)?
The Deceleration of the ball from $4$ spins was plotted on a scatter and was best described with the following $3$rd order polynomial:
$$A(t)= 0.0396t^3 - 1.1035t^2 + 10.25t -33.898 quadtext{with}~ R^2 = 84.6%$$
I have been trying to find Time and distance from velocity and acceleration using:
begin{align*}t &= frac{text{Final Velocity} - text{Initial Velocity}}{text{Acceleration}} d \
&= text{Initial Velocity} times text{Time} + frac12 text{Acceleration} times text{Time}^2
end{align*}
Unfortunately this equation assumes a constant acceleration and so gives me nonsense since the acceleration of the ball is not constant.
I don't know if this will be useful but the relationship I see is: the higher the ball velocity, the higher the rate of deceleration. So I plotted Acceleration as a function of Velocity:
$$A(V) = -0.00008v^3 + 0.0125v^2 - 0.7688v + 14.983 R^2 = 0.88$$
Thank you I've researched this for 3 damn hours.. if anyone can put me in the right direction it would be appreciated, thanks
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I hope you have had a course in calculus because, without it, you cannot solve this problem.
– ja72
Dec 2 at 5:45
Your formula is only applicable for constant acceleration.
– amd
Dec 2 at 5:55
I did calculus a few years ago, im a bit rusty. especially since my applicaiton of calculus was for econ and econometrics, not physical problems... and also mainly only first or second derivatives.
– Tom Edouard Pelletier
Dec 2 at 17:21
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A roulette ball spins around a rim.
What is the time ($t$) and distance ($d$) in which the velocity of the ball $= v$ (whatever number)?
The Deceleration of the ball from $4$ spins was plotted on a scatter and was best described with the following $3$rd order polynomial:
$$A(t)= 0.0396t^3 - 1.1035t^2 + 10.25t -33.898 quadtext{with}~ R^2 = 84.6%$$
I have been trying to find Time and distance from velocity and acceleration using:
begin{align*}t &= frac{text{Final Velocity} - text{Initial Velocity}}{text{Acceleration}} d \
&= text{Initial Velocity} times text{Time} + frac12 text{Acceleration} times text{Time}^2
end{align*}
Unfortunately this equation assumes a constant acceleration and so gives me nonsense since the acceleration of the ball is not constant.
I don't know if this will be useful but the relationship I see is: the higher the ball velocity, the higher the rate of deceleration. So I plotted Acceleration as a function of Velocity:
$$A(V) = -0.00008v^3 + 0.0125v^2 - 0.7688v + 14.983 R^2 = 0.88$$
Thank you I've researched this for 3 damn hours.. if anyone can put me in the right direction it would be appreciated, thanks
derivatives mathematical-physics time-series
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A roulette ball spins around a rim.
What is the time ($t$) and distance ($d$) in which the velocity of the ball $= v$ (whatever number)?
The Deceleration of the ball from $4$ spins was plotted on a scatter and was best described with the following $3$rd order polynomial:
$$A(t)= 0.0396t^3 - 1.1035t^2 + 10.25t -33.898 quadtext{with}~ R^2 = 84.6%$$
I have been trying to find Time and distance from velocity and acceleration using:
begin{align*}t &= frac{text{Final Velocity} - text{Initial Velocity}}{text{Acceleration}} d \
&= text{Initial Velocity} times text{Time} + frac12 text{Acceleration} times text{Time}^2
end{align*}
Unfortunately this equation assumes a constant acceleration and so gives me nonsense since the acceleration of the ball is not constant.
I don't know if this will be useful but the relationship I see is: the higher the ball velocity, the higher the rate of deceleration. So I plotted Acceleration as a function of Velocity:
$$A(V) = -0.00008v^3 + 0.0125v^2 - 0.7688v + 14.983 R^2 = 0.88$$
Thank you I've researched this for 3 damn hours.. if anyone can put me in the right direction it would be appreciated, thanks
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I hope you have had a course in calculus because, without it, you cannot solve this problem.
– ja72
Dec 2 at 5:45
Your formula is only applicable for constant acceleration.
– amd
Dec 2 at 5:55
I did calculus a few years ago, im a bit rusty. especially since my applicaiton of calculus was for econ and econometrics, not physical problems... and also mainly only first or second derivatives.
– Tom Edouard Pelletier
Dec 2 at 17:21
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I hope you have had a course in calculus because, without it, you cannot solve this problem.
– ja72
Dec 2 at 5:45
Your formula is only applicable for constant acceleration.
– amd
Dec 2 at 5:55
I did calculus a few years ago, im a bit rusty. especially since my applicaiton of calculus was for econ and econometrics, not physical problems... and also mainly only first or second derivatives.
– Tom Edouard Pelletier
Dec 2 at 17:21
I hope you have had a course in calculus because, without it, you cannot solve this problem.
– ja72
Dec 2 at 5:45
I hope you have had a course in calculus because, without it, you cannot solve this problem.
– ja72
Dec 2 at 5:45
Your formula is only applicable for constant acceleration.
– amd
Dec 2 at 5:55
Your formula is only applicable for constant acceleration.
– amd
Dec 2 at 5:55
I did calculus a few years ago, im a bit rusty. especially since my applicaiton of calculus was for econ and econometrics, not physical problems... and also mainly only first or second derivatives.
– Tom Edouard Pelletier
Dec 2 at 17:21
I did calculus a few years ago, im a bit rusty. especially since my applicaiton of calculus was for econ and econometrics, not physical problems... and also mainly only first or second derivatives.
– Tom Edouard Pelletier
Dec 2 at 17:21
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Hint
For continuously varying acceleration, use the relation $a(t)=frac{d[v(t)]}{dt}implies v(t)=int_{t_1}^{t} a(t) dt+v(t_1)$
Once you obtain velocity as a function of time $t$, use the relation $v(t)=frac{d[s(t)]}{dt}implies s(t)=int_{t_1}^{t} v(t) dt+s(t_1) $
As far as finding the time for a particular velocity or acceleration is concerned, you know the expressions for $v,a$ as functions of time. You just need to plug-in the values and find the roots of the polynomial in $t$.
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In your case acceleration as a function of time only, $a(t)$. So direct integration applies here:
$$ begin{aligned} & text{speed} & & text{distance} \
v(t) & = v_0 + int limits_{t_0}^t a(t),{rm d}t & x(t) & = x_0 + int limits_{t_0}^t v(t),{rm d}t
end{aligned} $$
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Hint
For continuously varying acceleration, use the relation $a(t)=frac{d[v(t)]}{dt}implies v(t)=int_{t_1}^{t} a(t) dt+v(t_1)$
Once you obtain velocity as a function of time $t$, use the relation $v(t)=frac{d[s(t)]}{dt}implies s(t)=int_{t_1}^{t} v(t) dt+s(t_1) $
As far as finding the time for a particular velocity or acceleration is concerned, you know the expressions for $v,a$ as functions of time. You just need to plug-in the values and find the roots of the polynomial in $t$.
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Hint
For continuously varying acceleration, use the relation $a(t)=frac{d[v(t)]}{dt}implies v(t)=int_{t_1}^{t} a(t) dt+v(t_1)$
Once you obtain velocity as a function of time $t$, use the relation $v(t)=frac{d[s(t)]}{dt}implies s(t)=int_{t_1}^{t} v(t) dt+s(t_1) $
As far as finding the time for a particular velocity or acceleration is concerned, you know the expressions for $v,a$ as functions of time. You just need to plug-in the values and find the roots of the polynomial in $t$.
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Hint
For continuously varying acceleration, use the relation $a(t)=frac{d[v(t)]}{dt}implies v(t)=int_{t_1}^{t} a(t) dt+v(t_1)$
Once you obtain velocity as a function of time $t$, use the relation $v(t)=frac{d[s(t)]}{dt}implies s(t)=int_{t_1}^{t} v(t) dt+s(t_1) $
As far as finding the time for a particular velocity or acceleration is concerned, you know the expressions for $v,a$ as functions of time. You just need to plug-in the values and find the roots of the polynomial in $t$.
Hint
For continuously varying acceleration, use the relation $a(t)=frac{d[v(t)]}{dt}implies v(t)=int_{t_1}^{t} a(t) dt+v(t_1)$
Once you obtain velocity as a function of time $t$, use the relation $v(t)=frac{d[s(t)]}{dt}implies s(t)=int_{t_1}^{t} v(t) dt+s(t_1) $
As far as finding the time for a particular velocity or acceleration is concerned, you know the expressions for $v,a$ as functions of time. You just need to plug-in the values and find the roots of the polynomial in $t$.
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In your case acceleration as a function of time only, $a(t)$. So direct integration applies here:
$$ begin{aligned} & text{speed} & & text{distance} \
v(t) & = v_0 + int limits_{t_0}^t a(t),{rm d}t & x(t) & = x_0 + int limits_{t_0}^t v(t),{rm d}t
end{aligned} $$
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In your case acceleration as a function of time only, $a(t)$. So direct integration applies here:
$$ begin{aligned} & text{speed} & & text{distance} \
v(t) & = v_0 + int limits_{t_0}^t a(t),{rm d}t & x(t) & = x_0 + int limits_{t_0}^t v(t),{rm d}t
end{aligned} $$
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In your case acceleration as a function of time only, $a(t)$. So direct integration applies here:
$$ begin{aligned} & text{speed} & & text{distance} \
v(t) & = v_0 + int limits_{t_0}^t a(t),{rm d}t & x(t) & = x_0 + int limits_{t_0}^t v(t),{rm d}t
end{aligned} $$
In your case acceleration as a function of time only, $a(t)$. So direct integration applies here:
$$ begin{aligned} & text{speed} & & text{distance} \
v(t) & = v_0 + int limits_{t_0}^t a(t),{rm d}t & x(t) & = x_0 + int limits_{t_0}^t v(t),{rm d}t
end{aligned} $$
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I hope you have had a course in calculus because, without it, you cannot solve this problem.
– ja72
Dec 2 at 5:45
Your formula is only applicable for constant acceleration.
– amd
Dec 2 at 5:55
I did calculus a few years ago, im a bit rusty. especially since my applicaiton of calculus was for econ and econometrics, not physical problems... and also mainly only first or second derivatives.
– Tom Edouard Pelletier
Dec 2 at 17:21