Show simplicial complex is Hausdorff
I have a simplicial complex $K$ and I need to show that its topological realisation $|K|$ is Hausdorff. And $K$ need not be finite.
I have very little idea on how to get started on this. Only that if $x,y in |K|$, I need to find disjoint open sets containing $x$ and $y$. I also know $|K|$ is a quotient space formed by "glueing" simplices together along their faces, so I have the quotient collapsing map, $p: K to |K|$ and so my open sets $U, V$ are open iff their pre-images under this map are open.
Any help on how to get started would be much appreciated.
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I have a simplicial complex $K$ and I need to show that its topological realisation $|K|$ is Hausdorff. And $K$ need not be finite.
I have very little idea on how to get started on this. Only that if $x,y in |K|$, I need to find disjoint open sets containing $x$ and $y$. I also know $|K|$ is a quotient space formed by "glueing" simplices together along their faces, so I have the quotient collapsing map, $p: K to |K|$ and so my open sets $U, V$ are open iff their pre-images under this map are open.
Any help on how to get started would be much appreciated.
general-topology simplicial-stuff separation-axioms
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Either the two points are contained in the same simplex, or they are not.
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 17:06
Would you mind expanding this a bit? I'm not quite sure how it helps? Thanks
– Wooster
Mar 9 '14 at 19:06
What do you know about the topological properties of a simplex which might be relevant if it contains two points. If a simplex contains a point, how might you construct an open set containing the point which will help you?
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 19:23
Well a simplex is just a subset of $mathbb{R}^n$ for some $n$ so it is Hausdorff? and so if you have two points in the same simplex you can certainly fit two open sets around them? And then if you have two points in different simplices you can fit open sets around them?
– Wooster
Mar 9 '14 at 19:29
Try the interior of a simplex as an open set - taking care you have covered the $0$-dimensional case.
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 19:34
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I have a simplicial complex $K$ and I need to show that its topological realisation $|K|$ is Hausdorff. And $K$ need not be finite.
I have very little idea on how to get started on this. Only that if $x,y in |K|$, I need to find disjoint open sets containing $x$ and $y$. I also know $|K|$ is a quotient space formed by "glueing" simplices together along their faces, so I have the quotient collapsing map, $p: K to |K|$ and so my open sets $U, V$ are open iff their pre-images under this map are open.
Any help on how to get started would be much appreciated.
general-topology simplicial-stuff separation-axioms
I have a simplicial complex $K$ and I need to show that its topological realisation $|K|$ is Hausdorff. And $K$ need not be finite.
I have very little idea on how to get started on this. Only that if $x,y in |K|$, I need to find disjoint open sets containing $x$ and $y$. I also know $|K|$ is a quotient space formed by "glueing" simplices together along their faces, so I have the quotient collapsing map, $p: K to |K|$ and so my open sets $U, V$ are open iff their pre-images under this map are open.
Any help on how to get started would be much appreciated.
general-topology simplicial-stuff separation-axioms
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Either the two points are contained in the same simplex, or they are not.
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 17:06
Would you mind expanding this a bit? I'm not quite sure how it helps? Thanks
– Wooster
Mar 9 '14 at 19:06
What do you know about the topological properties of a simplex which might be relevant if it contains two points. If a simplex contains a point, how might you construct an open set containing the point which will help you?
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 19:23
Well a simplex is just a subset of $mathbb{R}^n$ for some $n$ so it is Hausdorff? and so if you have two points in the same simplex you can certainly fit two open sets around them? And then if you have two points in different simplices you can fit open sets around them?
– Wooster
Mar 9 '14 at 19:29
Try the interior of a simplex as an open set - taking care you have covered the $0$-dimensional case.
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 19:34
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Either the two points are contained in the same simplex, or they are not.
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 17:06
Would you mind expanding this a bit? I'm not quite sure how it helps? Thanks
– Wooster
Mar 9 '14 at 19:06
What do you know about the topological properties of a simplex which might be relevant if it contains two points. If a simplex contains a point, how might you construct an open set containing the point which will help you?
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 19:23
Well a simplex is just a subset of $mathbb{R}^n$ for some $n$ so it is Hausdorff? and so if you have two points in the same simplex you can certainly fit two open sets around them? And then if you have two points in different simplices you can fit open sets around them?
– Wooster
Mar 9 '14 at 19:29
Try the interior of a simplex as an open set - taking care you have covered the $0$-dimensional case.
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 19:34
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Either the two points are contained in the same simplex, or they are not.
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 17:06
Either the two points are contained in the same simplex, or they are not.
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 17:06
Would you mind expanding this a bit? I'm not quite sure how it helps? Thanks
– Wooster
Mar 9 '14 at 19:06
Would you mind expanding this a bit? I'm not quite sure how it helps? Thanks
– Wooster
Mar 9 '14 at 19:06
What do you know about the topological properties of a simplex which might be relevant if it contains two points. If a simplex contains a point, how might you construct an open set containing the point which will help you?
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 19:23
What do you know about the topological properties of a simplex which might be relevant if it contains two points. If a simplex contains a point, how might you construct an open set containing the point which will help you?
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 19:23
Well a simplex is just a subset of $mathbb{R}^n$ for some $n$ so it is Hausdorff? and so if you have two points in the same simplex you can certainly fit two open sets around them? And then if you have two points in different simplices you can fit open sets around them?
– Wooster
Mar 9 '14 at 19:29
Well a simplex is just a subset of $mathbb{R}^n$ for some $n$ so it is Hausdorff? and so if you have two points in the same simplex you can certainly fit two open sets around them? And then if you have two points in different simplices you can fit open sets around them?
– Wooster
Mar 9 '14 at 19:29
Try the interior of a simplex as an open set - taking care you have covered the $0$-dimensional case.
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 19:34
Try the interior of a simplex as an open set - taking care you have covered the $0$-dimensional case.
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 19:34
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Let $q:Dto|K|$ denote the quotient map, where $D$ is the disjoint union $coprod_σ|Delta_sigma^n|$ of (the realizations of) all simplices in $K$. The quotient space consists of equivalence classes, and each class contains a unique point in the interior of some simplex, this is the point in the simplex of lowest dimension (We take the interior of $Δ^0$ to be $Δ^0$ itself). For the two classes, let $x,y$ denote these two points. In order to find disjoint open neighbourhood $N(x)$ and $N(y)$, let us construct disjoint saturated open sets in $D$.
For each simplex $sigma$, we will find an open subset $U_σ$ of $Delta_σ^n$ containing the set $[x]capΔ_σ^n$ as well as the points identified with $U_tau$ for each face $tau$ of $σ$. Denote the union of all $U_σ$ for the $σ$ of dimension $le n$ by $N^n(x)$
Start at dimension $0$: If ${x}$ is one $0$-simplex $σ$, let $N^0(x)=sigma$, otherwise $N^o(x)=emptyset$.
Now assume by induction that we have constructed the disjoint open saturated sets $N^n(x)$ and $N^n(y)$.
- Let $V_σ(x)$ and $V_σ(y)$ denote the sets of points in the faces of $Δ_σ^{n+1}$ which are identified with $N^n(x),N^n(y)$ respectively. Note that if $xinmathring{Δ_σ}$, then $N^n(x)$ is empty.
- If one of the $V_σ$ is non-empty, we can thicken it a bit by stretching it towards the barycenter of the simplex. These thickenings will remain disjoint.
- If $V_σ(x)$ is non-empty and $yinmathring{Δ_σ}$, then we can keep the thickening of $V_σ(x)$ small enough, so that it is disjoint to an open ball around $y$ within
$mathring{Δ_σ}$ - If both $x$ and $y$ are in $mathring{Δ_σ}$, then they have disjoint open balls within the interior of $σ$.
If we do this for every simplex of dimension $n+1$, we obtain disjoint open saturated sets in the disjoint union of all simplices of dimension $le n+1$. This completes the induction.
In the end, $N(x):=bigcup_n N^n(x)$ and $N(y):=bigcup_n N^n(y)$ have disjoint open images in $|K|$.
Thank you for your comprehensive answer! When you say that each equivalence class contains a unique point in the interior, does this mean that under the equivalence relation the whole interior of each simplex is identified?
– Wooster
Mar 10 '14 at 19:25
@Wooster: No, not at all. Have a look at the relation which forms the space. If $tau$ is a face of the $n$-simplex $sigma$ (which means that $tau$ is obtained by omitting the $i$-th vertex of $σ$, one usually writes $tau=d_iσ$ in that case), then we identify a point $xinΔ_tau^{n-1}$ (the standard $n-1$-simplex which belongs to $tau$) with its image under the embedding $D_i:Δ_tau^{n-1}hookrightarrowΔ_σ^n$. There is no way two points in the interior of single simplex could ever get identified.
– Stefan Hamcke
Mar 10 '14 at 20:32
A $2$-simplex is identified with a face (i.e. a subset of the boundary) of a $3$ simplex $σ$. So a point $x$ in the $3$-simplex is either in the interior of $σ$, or it is in the boundary $partialσ$, in which case some point $x'$ in a $2$-simplex $tau$ is identified with $x$. Repeating this step, $x'$ is either in the interior $mathringΔ_tau$, or it is the boundary, so it is identified with some $x''$ in some $1$-simplex.
– Stefan Hamcke
Mar 10 '14 at 20:40
This is a brilliant answer, and excellent explanations provided.
– JC784
Mar 11 '14 at 13:54
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I read the following solution in $textit{Elements of Algebraic Topology}$ by Munkres.
If $x$ is a point of polyhedron $|K|$ (the topological space of simplicial complex), then $x$ is interior to exactly one simplex of $K$, whose vertices are (say) $a_0, cdots, a_n$. Then
$$
x= sum_{i=0}^{n}t_ia_i
$$
where, $t_i>0 ; forall i$ and $sum_{i=1}^{n}t_i =1$. If $v$ is an arbitrary vertex of $K$, we define the $textbf{barycentric coordinate} ; t_v(x)$ of $x$ w.r.t. $v$ as:
$$
t_{v}(x)={displaystyle left{{begin{array}{lr}0 quad text{ if } v text{ is none of } {a_0,cdots,a_n } \ t_i quad text{ if } v text{ is one of } {a_0,cdots,a_n } text{ (say) } a_i end{array}} right.}
$$
For a fixed $v$, the function $t_v(x)$ is continuous when restricted to a fixed simplex $sigma $ of $K$, since either it is equal to $0$ on $sigma$ or equals the barycentric coordinates $t_i(x)$ of $x$ w.r.t ${a_0,cdots,a_n }$ ( which are continuous function of $x$). We use another result that a map $f : |K| rightarrow X$ is continuous $iff ; f|_{sigma}$ is continous for each simplex $sigma in K$ (use the result $f^{-1}(C) cap sigma = (f|_{sigma}) ^{-1}(C) $ for any closed set $C$ in $X$).
Hence, the function $t_v(x)$ is continuous on $K$.
$textbf{|K| is Hausdorff:} $
Let $ x_0,x_1 (x_0 neq x_1)$ be two points in $|K|$. There exist atleast one vertex $v$ in $K$ s.t. $t_v(x_0) neq t_v(x_1)$. Now, we choose any real no. $r$ between these two. The set ${x:t_{v}(x)<r }$ and ${x:t_{v}(x)> r }$ are two open sets. (Why are these open? Since, range of the continuous function $t_v(x)$ is $[0,1)$, and $[0,r)$ and $(r,1)$ is open in $[0,1)$)
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Yet another approach...
I will call $|K|_d$ the metric space associated to $|K|$. Consider the function $eta : |K| rightarrow |K|_d$ defined to be $eta(alpha)=alpha$ for $alpha in |K|$.
By proving $eta$ continuous, we show that every open set in $|K|_d$ is open in $|K|$, equivalently, the metric topology is coarser than the topology of $|K|$ (that is the final topology on $|K|$ with respect to the family of inclusions $inc_sigma colon |sigma| rightarrow |K|$). But $|K|_d$ is Hausdorff since it is a metric space, so $|K|$ is Hausdorff too.
So let's show that $eta$ is continuous. For every $sigma in S_K$, $eta circ inc_sigma colon |sigma| rightarrow |K|_d$ is an isometry, therefore continuous. The (so called) universal property of the final topology imply $eta$ is continuous.
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Let $q:Dto|K|$ denote the quotient map, where $D$ is the disjoint union $coprod_σ|Delta_sigma^n|$ of (the realizations of) all simplices in $K$. The quotient space consists of equivalence classes, and each class contains a unique point in the interior of some simplex, this is the point in the simplex of lowest dimension (We take the interior of $Δ^0$ to be $Δ^0$ itself). For the two classes, let $x,y$ denote these two points. In order to find disjoint open neighbourhood $N(x)$ and $N(y)$, let us construct disjoint saturated open sets in $D$.
For each simplex $sigma$, we will find an open subset $U_σ$ of $Delta_σ^n$ containing the set $[x]capΔ_σ^n$ as well as the points identified with $U_tau$ for each face $tau$ of $σ$. Denote the union of all $U_σ$ for the $σ$ of dimension $le n$ by $N^n(x)$
Start at dimension $0$: If ${x}$ is one $0$-simplex $σ$, let $N^0(x)=sigma$, otherwise $N^o(x)=emptyset$.
Now assume by induction that we have constructed the disjoint open saturated sets $N^n(x)$ and $N^n(y)$.
- Let $V_σ(x)$ and $V_σ(y)$ denote the sets of points in the faces of $Δ_σ^{n+1}$ which are identified with $N^n(x),N^n(y)$ respectively. Note that if $xinmathring{Δ_σ}$, then $N^n(x)$ is empty.
- If one of the $V_σ$ is non-empty, we can thicken it a bit by stretching it towards the barycenter of the simplex. These thickenings will remain disjoint.
- If $V_σ(x)$ is non-empty and $yinmathring{Δ_σ}$, then we can keep the thickening of $V_σ(x)$ small enough, so that it is disjoint to an open ball around $y$ within
$mathring{Δ_σ}$ - If both $x$ and $y$ are in $mathring{Δ_σ}$, then they have disjoint open balls within the interior of $σ$.
If we do this for every simplex of dimension $n+1$, we obtain disjoint open saturated sets in the disjoint union of all simplices of dimension $le n+1$. This completes the induction.
In the end, $N(x):=bigcup_n N^n(x)$ and $N(y):=bigcup_n N^n(y)$ have disjoint open images in $|K|$.
Thank you for your comprehensive answer! When you say that each equivalence class contains a unique point in the interior, does this mean that under the equivalence relation the whole interior of each simplex is identified?
– Wooster
Mar 10 '14 at 19:25
@Wooster: No, not at all. Have a look at the relation which forms the space. If $tau$ is a face of the $n$-simplex $sigma$ (which means that $tau$ is obtained by omitting the $i$-th vertex of $σ$, one usually writes $tau=d_iσ$ in that case), then we identify a point $xinΔ_tau^{n-1}$ (the standard $n-1$-simplex which belongs to $tau$) with its image under the embedding $D_i:Δ_tau^{n-1}hookrightarrowΔ_σ^n$. There is no way two points in the interior of single simplex could ever get identified.
– Stefan Hamcke
Mar 10 '14 at 20:32
A $2$-simplex is identified with a face (i.e. a subset of the boundary) of a $3$ simplex $σ$. So a point $x$ in the $3$-simplex is either in the interior of $σ$, or it is in the boundary $partialσ$, in which case some point $x'$ in a $2$-simplex $tau$ is identified with $x$. Repeating this step, $x'$ is either in the interior $mathringΔ_tau$, or it is the boundary, so it is identified with some $x''$ in some $1$-simplex.
– Stefan Hamcke
Mar 10 '14 at 20:40
This is a brilliant answer, and excellent explanations provided.
– JC784
Mar 11 '14 at 13:54
add a comment |
Let $q:Dto|K|$ denote the quotient map, where $D$ is the disjoint union $coprod_σ|Delta_sigma^n|$ of (the realizations of) all simplices in $K$. The quotient space consists of equivalence classes, and each class contains a unique point in the interior of some simplex, this is the point in the simplex of lowest dimension (We take the interior of $Δ^0$ to be $Δ^0$ itself). For the two classes, let $x,y$ denote these two points. In order to find disjoint open neighbourhood $N(x)$ and $N(y)$, let us construct disjoint saturated open sets in $D$.
For each simplex $sigma$, we will find an open subset $U_σ$ of $Delta_σ^n$ containing the set $[x]capΔ_σ^n$ as well as the points identified with $U_tau$ for each face $tau$ of $σ$. Denote the union of all $U_σ$ for the $σ$ of dimension $le n$ by $N^n(x)$
Start at dimension $0$: If ${x}$ is one $0$-simplex $σ$, let $N^0(x)=sigma$, otherwise $N^o(x)=emptyset$.
Now assume by induction that we have constructed the disjoint open saturated sets $N^n(x)$ and $N^n(y)$.
- Let $V_σ(x)$ and $V_σ(y)$ denote the sets of points in the faces of $Δ_σ^{n+1}$ which are identified with $N^n(x),N^n(y)$ respectively. Note that if $xinmathring{Δ_σ}$, then $N^n(x)$ is empty.
- If one of the $V_σ$ is non-empty, we can thicken it a bit by stretching it towards the barycenter of the simplex. These thickenings will remain disjoint.
- If $V_σ(x)$ is non-empty and $yinmathring{Δ_σ}$, then we can keep the thickening of $V_σ(x)$ small enough, so that it is disjoint to an open ball around $y$ within
$mathring{Δ_σ}$ - If both $x$ and $y$ are in $mathring{Δ_σ}$, then they have disjoint open balls within the interior of $σ$.
If we do this for every simplex of dimension $n+1$, we obtain disjoint open saturated sets in the disjoint union of all simplices of dimension $le n+1$. This completes the induction.
In the end, $N(x):=bigcup_n N^n(x)$ and $N(y):=bigcup_n N^n(y)$ have disjoint open images in $|K|$.
Thank you for your comprehensive answer! When you say that each equivalence class contains a unique point in the interior, does this mean that under the equivalence relation the whole interior of each simplex is identified?
– Wooster
Mar 10 '14 at 19:25
@Wooster: No, not at all. Have a look at the relation which forms the space. If $tau$ is a face of the $n$-simplex $sigma$ (which means that $tau$ is obtained by omitting the $i$-th vertex of $σ$, one usually writes $tau=d_iσ$ in that case), then we identify a point $xinΔ_tau^{n-1}$ (the standard $n-1$-simplex which belongs to $tau$) with its image under the embedding $D_i:Δ_tau^{n-1}hookrightarrowΔ_σ^n$. There is no way two points in the interior of single simplex could ever get identified.
– Stefan Hamcke
Mar 10 '14 at 20:32
A $2$-simplex is identified with a face (i.e. a subset of the boundary) of a $3$ simplex $σ$. So a point $x$ in the $3$-simplex is either in the interior of $σ$, or it is in the boundary $partialσ$, in which case some point $x'$ in a $2$-simplex $tau$ is identified with $x$. Repeating this step, $x'$ is either in the interior $mathringΔ_tau$, or it is the boundary, so it is identified with some $x''$ in some $1$-simplex.
– Stefan Hamcke
Mar 10 '14 at 20:40
This is a brilliant answer, and excellent explanations provided.
– JC784
Mar 11 '14 at 13:54
add a comment |
Let $q:Dto|K|$ denote the quotient map, where $D$ is the disjoint union $coprod_σ|Delta_sigma^n|$ of (the realizations of) all simplices in $K$. The quotient space consists of equivalence classes, and each class contains a unique point in the interior of some simplex, this is the point in the simplex of lowest dimension (We take the interior of $Δ^0$ to be $Δ^0$ itself). For the two classes, let $x,y$ denote these two points. In order to find disjoint open neighbourhood $N(x)$ and $N(y)$, let us construct disjoint saturated open sets in $D$.
For each simplex $sigma$, we will find an open subset $U_σ$ of $Delta_σ^n$ containing the set $[x]capΔ_σ^n$ as well as the points identified with $U_tau$ for each face $tau$ of $σ$. Denote the union of all $U_σ$ for the $σ$ of dimension $le n$ by $N^n(x)$
Start at dimension $0$: If ${x}$ is one $0$-simplex $σ$, let $N^0(x)=sigma$, otherwise $N^o(x)=emptyset$.
Now assume by induction that we have constructed the disjoint open saturated sets $N^n(x)$ and $N^n(y)$.
- Let $V_σ(x)$ and $V_σ(y)$ denote the sets of points in the faces of $Δ_σ^{n+1}$ which are identified with $N^n(x),N^n(y)$ respectively. Note that if $xinmathring{Δ_σ}$, then $N^n(x)$ is empty.
- If one of the $V_σ$ is non-empty, we can thicken it a bit by stretching it towards the barycenter of the simplex. These thickenings will remain disjoint.
- If $V_σ(x)$ is non-empty and $yinmathring{Δ_σ}$, then we can keep the thickening of $V_σ(x)$ small enough, so that it is disjoint to an open ball around $y$ within
$mathring{Δ_σ}$ - If both $x$ and $y$ are in $mathring{Δ_σ}$, then they have disjoint open balls within the interior of $σ$.
If we do this for every simplex of dimension $n+1$, we obtain disjoint open saturated sets in the disjoint union of all simplices of dimension $le n+1$. This completes the induction.
In the end, $N(x):=bigcup_n N^n(x)$ and $N(y):=bigcup_n N^n(y)$ have disjoint open images in $|K|$.
Let $q:Dto|K|$ denote the quotient map, where $D$ is the disjoint union $coprod_σ|Delta_sigma^n|$ of (the realizations of) all simplices in $K$. The quotient space consists of equivalence classes, and each class contains a unique point in the interior of some simplex, this is the point in the simplex of lowest dimension (We take the interior of $Δ^0$ to be $Δ^0$ itself). For the two classes, let $x,y$ denote these two points. In order to find disjoint open neighbourhood $N(x)$ and $N(y)$, let us construct disjoint saturated open sets in $D$.
For each simplex $sigma$, we will find an open subset $U_σ$ of $Delta_σ^n$ containing the set $[x]capΔ_σ^n$ as well as the points identified with $U_tau$ for each face $tau$ of $σ$. Denote the union of all $U_σ$ for the $σ$ of dimension $le n$ by $N^n(x)$
Start at dimension $0$: If ${x}$ is one $0$-simplex $σ$, let $N^0(x)=sigma$, otherwise $N^o(x)=emptyset$.
Now assume by induction that we have constructed the disjoint open saturated sets $N^n(x)$ and $N^n(y)$.
- Let $V_σ(x)$ and $V_σ(y)$ denote the sets of points in the faces of $Δ_σ^{n+1}$ which are identified with $N^n(x),N^n(y)$ respectively. Note that if $xinmathring{Δ_σ}$, then $N^n(x)$ is empty.
- If one of the $V_σ$ is non-empty, we can thicken it a bit by stretching it towards the barycenter of the simplex. These thickenings will remain disjoint.
- If $V_σ(x)$ is non-empty and $yinmathring{Δ_σ}$, then we can keep the thickening of $V_σ(x)$ small enough, so that it is disjoint to an open ball around $y$ within
$mathring{Δ_σ}$ - If both $x$ and $y$ are in $mathring{Δ_σ}$, then they have disjoint open balls within the interior of $σ$.
If we do this for every simplex of dimension $n+1$, we obtain disjoint open saturated sets in the disjoint union of all simplices of dimension $le n+1$. This completes the induction.
In the end, $N(x):=bigcup_n N^n(x)$ and $N(y):=bigcup_n N^n(y)$ have disjoint open images in $|K|$.
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answered Mar 10 '14 at 15:35
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Thank you for your comprehensive answer! When you say that each equivalence class contains a unique point in the interior, does this mean that under the equivalence relation the whole interior of each simplex is identified?
– Wooster
Mar 10 '14 at 19:25
@Wooster: No, not at all. Have a look at the relation which forms the space. If $tau$ is a face of the $n$-simplex $sigma$ (which means that $tau$ is obtained by omitting the $i$-th vertex of $σ$, one usually writes $tau=d_iσ$ in that case), then we identify a point $xinΔ_tau^{n-1}$ (the standard $n-1$-simplex which belongs to $tau$) with its image under the embedding $D_i:Δ_tau^{n-1}hookrightarrowΔ_σ^n$. There is no way two points in the interior of single simplex could ever get identified.
– Stefan Hamcke
Mar 10 '14 at 20:32
A $2$-simplex is identified with a face (i.e. a subset of the boundary) of a $3$ simplex $σ$. So a point $x$ in the $3$-simplex is either in the interior of $σ$, or it is in the boundary $partialσ$, in which case some point $x'$ in a $2$-simplex $tau$ is identified with $x$. Repeating this step, $x'$ is either in the interior $mathringΔ_tau$, or it is the boundary, so it is identified with some $x''$ in some $1$-simplex.
– Stefan Hamcke
Mar 10 '14 at 20:40
This is a brilliant answer, and excellent explanations provided.
– JC784
Mar 11 '14 at 13:54
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Thank you for your comprehensive answer! When you say that each equivalence class contains a unique point in the interior, does this mean that under the equivalence relation the whole interior of each simplex is identified?
– Wooster
Mar 10 '14 at 19:25
@Wooster: No, not at all. Have a look at the relation which forms the space. If $tau$ is a face of the $n$-simplex $sigma$ (which means that $tau$ is obtained by omitting the $i$-th vertex of $σ$, one usually writes $tau=d_iσ$ in that case), then we identify a point $xinΔ_tau^{n-1}$ (the standard $n-1$-simplex which belongs to $tau$) with its image under the embedding $D_i:Δ_tau^{n-1}hookrightarrowΔ_σ^n$. There is no way two points in the interior of single simplex could ever get identified.
– Stefan Hamcke
Mar 10 '14 at 20:32
A $2$-simplex is identified with a face (i.e. a subset of the boundary) of a $3$ simplex $σ$. So a point $x$ in the $3$-simplex is either in the interior of $σ$, or it is in the boundary $partialσ$, in which case some point $x'$ in a $2$-simplex $tau$ is identified with $x$. Repeating this step, $x'$ is either in the interior $mathringΔ_tau$, or it is the boundary, so it is identified with some $x''$ in some $1$-simplex.
– Stefan Hamcke
Mar 10 '14 at 20:40
This is a brilliant answer, and excellent explanations provided.
– JC784
Mar 11 '14 at 13:54
Thank you for your comprehensive answer! When you say that each equivalence class contains a unique point in the interior, does this mean that under the equivalence relation the whole interior of each simplex is identified?
– Wooster
Mar 10 '14 at 19:25
Thank you for your comprehensive answer! When you say that each equivalence class contains a unique point in the interior, does this mean that under the equivalence relation the whole interior of each simplex is identified?
– Wooster
Mar 10 '14 at 19:25
@Wooster: No, not at all. Have a look at the relation which forms the space. If $tau$ is a face of the $n$-simplex $sigma$ (which means that $tau$ is obtained by omitting the $i$-th vertex of $σ$, one usually writes $tau=d_iσ$ in that case), then we identify a point $xinΔ_tau^{n-1}$ (the standard $n-1$-simplex which belongs to $tau$) with its image under the embedding $D_i:Δ_tau^{n-1}hookrightarrowΔ_σ^n$. There is no way two points in the interior of single simplex could ever get identified.
– Stefan Hamcke
Mar 10 '14 at 20:32
@Wooster: No, not at all. Have a look at the relation which forms the space. If $tau$ is a face of the $n$-simplex $sigma$ (which means that $tau$ is obtained by omitting the $i$-th vertex of $σ$, one usually writes $tau=d_iσ$ in that case), then we identify a point $xinΔ_tau^{n-1}$ (the standard $n-1$-simplex which belongs to $tau$) with its image under the embedding $D_i:Δ_tau^{n-1}hookrightarrowΔ_σ^n$. There is no way two points in the interior of single simplex could ever get identified.
– Stefan Hamcke
Mar 10 '14 at 20:32
A $2$-simplex is identified with a face (i.e. a subset of the boundary) of a $3$ simplex $σ$. So a point $x$ in the $3$-simplex is either in the interior of $σ$, or it is in the boundary $partialσ$, in which case some point $x'$ in a $2$-simplex $tau$ is identified with $x$. Repeating this step, $x'$ is either in the interior $mathringΔ_tau$, or it is the boundary, so it is identified with some $x''$ in some $1$-simplex.
– Stefan Hamcke
Mar 10 '14 at 20:40
A $2$-simplex is identified with a face (i.e. a subset of the boundary) of a $3$ simplex $σ$. So a point $x$ in the $3$-simplex is either in the interior of $σ$, or it is in the boundary $partialσ$, in which case some point $x'$ in a $2$-simplex $tau$ is identified with $x$. Repeating this step, $x'$ is either in the interior $mathringΔ_tau$, or it is the boundary, so it is identified with some $x''$ in some $1$-simplex.
– Stefan Hamcke
Mar 10 '14 at 20:40
This is a brilliant answer, and excellent explanations provided.
– JC784
Mar 11 '14 at 13:54
This is a brilliant answer, and excellent explanations provided.
– JC784
Mar 11 '14 at 13:54
add a comment |
I read the following solution in $textit{Elements of Algebraic Topology}$ by Munkres.
If $x$ is a point of polyhedron $|K|$ (the topological space of simplicial complex), then $x$ is interior to exactly one simplex of $K$, whose vertices are (say) $a_0, cdots, a_n$. Then
$$
x= sum_{i=0}^{n}t_ia_i
$$
where, $t_i>0 ; forall i$ and $sum_{i=1}^{n}t_i =1$. If $v$ is an arbitrary vertex of $K$, we define the $textbf{barycentric coordinate} ; t_v(x)$ of $x$ w.r.t. $v$ as:
$$
t_{v}(x)={displaystyle left{{begin{array}{lr}0 quad text{ if } v text{ is none of } {a_0,cdots,a_n } \ t_i quad text{ if } v text{ is one of } {a_0,cdots,a_n } text{ (say) } a_i end{array}} right.}
$$
For a fixed $v$, the function $t_v(x)$ is continuous when restricted to a fixed simplex $sigma $ of $K$, since either it is equal to $0$ on $sigma$ or equals the barycentric coordinates $t_i(x)$ of $x$ w.r.t ${a_0,cdots,a_n }$ ( which are continuous function of $x$). We use another result that a map $f : |K| rightarrow X$ is continuous $iff ; f|_{sigma}$ is continous for each simplex $sigma in K$ (use the result $f^{-1}(C) cap sigma = (f|_{sigma}) ^{-1}(C) $ for any closed set $C$ in $X$).
Hence, the function $t_v(x)$ is continuous on $K$.
$textbf{|K| is Hausdorff:} $
Let $ x_0,x_1 (x_0 neq x_1)$ be two points in $|K|$. There exist atleast one vertex $v$ in $K$ s.t. $t_v(x_0) neq t_v(x_1)$. Now, we choose any real no. $r$ between these two. The set ${x:t_{v}(x)<r }$ and ${x:t_{v}(x)> r }$ are two open sets. (Why are these open? Since, range of the continuous function $t_v(x)$ is $[0,1)$, and $[0,r)$ and $(r,1)$ is open in $[0,1)$)
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I read the following solution in $textit{Elements of Algebraic Topology}$ by Munkres.
If $x$ is a point of polyhedron $|K|$ (the topological space of simplicial complex), then $x$ is interior to exactly one simplex of $K$, whose vertices are (say) $a_0, cdots, a_n$. Then
$$
x= sum_{i=0}^{n}t_ia_i
$$
where, $t_i>0 ; forall i$ and $sum_{i=1}^{n}t_i =1$. If $v$ is an arbitrary vertex of $K$, we define the $textbf{barycentric coordinate} ; t_v(x)$ of $x$ w.r.t. $v$ as:
$$
t_{v}(x)={displaystyle left{{begin{array}{lr}0 quad text{ if } v text{ is none of } {a_0,cdots,a_n } \ t_i quad text{ if } v text{ is one of } {a_0,cdots,a_n } text{ (say) } a_i end{array}} right.}
$$
For a fixed $v$, the function $t_v(x)$ is continuous when restricted to a fixed simplex $sigma $ of $K$, since either it is equal to $0$ on $sigma$ or equals the barycentric coordinates $t_i(x)$ of $x$ w.r.t ${a_0,cdots,a_n }$ ( which are continuous function of $x$). We use another result that a map $f : |K| rightarrow X$ is continuous $iff ; f|_{sigma}$ is continous for each simplex $sigma in K$ (use the result $f^{-1}(C) cap sigma = (f|_{sigma}) ^{-1}(C) $ for any closed set $C$ in $X$).
Hence, the function $t_v(x)$ is continuous on $K$.
$textbf{|K| is Hausdorff:} $
Let $ x_0,x_1 (x_0 neq x_1)$ be two points in $|K|$. There exist atleast one vertex $v$ in $K$ s.t. $t_v(x_0) neq t_v(x_1)$. Now, we choose any real no. $r$ between these two. The set ${x:t_{v}(x)<r }$ and ${x:t_{v}(x)> r }$ are two open sets. (Why are these open? Since, range of the continuous function $t_v(x)$ is $[0,1)$, and $[0,r)$ and $(r,1)$ is open in $[0,1)$)
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I read the following solution in $textit{Elements of Algebraic Topology}$ by Munkres.
If $x$ is a point of polyhedron $|K|$ (the topological space of simplicial complex), then $x$ is interior to exactly one simplex of $K$, whose vertices are (say) $a_0, cdots, a_n$. Then
$$
x= sum_{i=0}^{n}t_ia_i
$$
where, $t_i>0 ; forall i$ and $sum_{i=1}^{n}t_i =1$. If $v$ is an arbitrary vertex of $K$, we define the $textbf{barycentric coordinate} ; t_v(x)$ of $x$ w.r.t. $v$ as:
$$
t_{v}(x)={displaystyle left{{begin{array}{lr}0 quad text{ if } v text{ is none of } {a_0,cdots,a_n } \ t_i quad text{ if } v text{ is one of } {a_0,cdots,a_n } text{ (say) } a_i end{array}} right.}
$$
For a fixed $v$, the function $t_v(x)$ is continuous when restricted to a fixed simplex $sigma $ of $K$, since either it is equal to $0$ on $sigma$ or equals the barycentric coordinates $t_i(x)$ of $x$ w.r.t ${a_0,cdots,a_n }$ ( which are continuous function of $x$). We use another result that a map $f : |K| rightarrow X$ is continuous $iff ; f|_{sigma}$ is continous for each simplex $sigma in K$ (use the result $f^{-1}(C) cap sigma = (f|_{sigma}) ^{-1}(C) $ for any closed set $C$ in $X$).
Hence, the function $t_v(x)$ is continuous on $K$.
$textbf{|K| is Hausdorff:} $
Let $ x_0,x_1 (x_0 neq x_1)$ be two points in $|K|$. There exist atleast one vertex $v$ in $K$ s.t. $t_v(x_0) neq t_v(x_1)$. Now, we choose any real no. $r$ between these two. The set ${x:t_{v}(x)<r }$ and ${x:t_{v}(x)> r }$ are two open sets. (Why are these open? Since, range of the continuous function $t_v(x)$ is $[0,1)$, and $[0,r)$ and $(r,1)$ is open in $[0,1)$)
I read the following solution in $textit{Elements of Algebraic Topology}$ by Munkres.
If $x$ is a point of polyhedron $|K|$ (the topological space of simplicial complex), then $x$ is interior to exactly one simplex of $K$, whose vertices are (say) $a_0, cdots, a_n$. Then
$$
x= sum_{i=0}^{n}t_ia_i
$$
where, $t_i>0 ; forall i$ and $sum_{i=1}^{n}t_i =1$. If $v$ is an arbitrary vertex of $K$, we define the $textbf{barycentric coordinate} ; t_v(x)$ of $x$ w.r.t. $v$ as:
$$
t_{v}(x)={displaystyle left{{begin{array}{lr}0 quad text{ if } v text{ is none of } {a_0,cdots,a_n } \ t_i quad text{ if } v text{ is one of } {a_0,cdots,a_n } text{ (say) } a_i end{array}} right.}
$$
For a fixed $v$, the function $t_v(x)$ is continuous when restricted to a fixed simplex $sigma $ of $K$, since either it is equal to $0$ on $sigma$ or equals the barycentric coordinates $t_i(x)$ of $x$ w.r.t ${a_0,cdots,a_n }$ ( which are continuous function of $x$). We use another result that a map $f : |K| rightarrow X$ is continuous $iff ; f|_{sigma}$ is continous for each simplex $sigma in K$ (use the result $f^{-1}(C) cap sigma = (f|_{sigma}) ^{-1}(C) $ for any closed set $C$ in $X$).
Hence, the function $t_v(x)$ is continuous on $K$.
$textbf{|K| is Hausdorff:} $
Let $ x_0,x_1 (x_0 neq x_1)$ be two points in $|K|$. There exist atleast one vertex $v$ in $K$ s.t. $t_v(x_0) neq t_v(x_1)$. Now, we choose any real no. $r$ between these two. The set ${x:t_{v}(x)<r }$ and ${x:t_{v}(x)> r }$ are two open sets. (Why are these open? Since, range of the continuous function $t_v(x)$ is $[0,1)$, and $[0,r)$ and $(r,1)$ is open in $[0,1)$)
answered Dec 9 at 11:05
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Yet another approach...
I will call $|K|_d$ the metric space associated to $|K|$. Consider the function $eta : |K| rightarrow |K|_d$ defined to be $eta(alpha)=alpha$ for $alpha in |K|$.
By proving $eta$ continuous, we show that every open set in $|K|_d$ is open in $|K|$, equivalently, the metric topology is coarser than the topology of $|K|$ (that is the final topology on $|K|$ with respect to the family of inclusions $inc_sigma colon |sigma| rightarrow |K|$). But $|K|_d$ is Hausdorff since it is a metric space, so $|K|$ is Hausdorff too.
So let's show that $eta$ is continuous. For every $sigma in S_K$, $eta circ inc_sigma colon |sigma| rightarrow |K|_d$ is an isometry, therefore continuous. The (so called) universal property of the final topology imply $eta$ is continuous.
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Yet another approach...
I will call $|K|_d$ the metric space associated to $|K|$. Consider the function $eta : |K| rightarrow |K|_d$ defined to be $eta(alpha)=alpha$ for $alpha in |K|$.
By proving $eta$ continuous, we show that every open set in $|K|_d$ is open in $|K|$, equivalently, the metric topology is coarser than the topology of $|K|$ (that is the final topology on $|K|$ with respect to the family of inclusions $inc_sigma colon |sigma| rightarrow |K|$). But $|K|_d$ is Hausdorff since it is a metric space, so $|K|$ is Hausdorff too.
So let's show that $eta$ is continuous. For every $sigma in S_K$, $eta circ inc_sigma colon |sigma| rightarrow |K|_d$ is an isometry, therefore continuous. The (so called) universal property of the final topology imply $eta$ is continuous.
add a comment |
Yet another approach...
I will call $|K|_d$ the metric space associated to $|K|$. Consider the function $eta : |K| rightarrow |K|_d$ defined to be $eta(alpha)=alpha$ for $alpha in |K|$.
By proving $eta$ continuous, we show that every open set in $|K|_d$ is open in $|K|$, equivalently, the metric topology is coarser than the topology of $|K|$ (that is the final topology on $|K|$ with respect to the family of inclusions $inc_sigma colon |sigma| rightarrow |K|$). But $|K|_d$ is Hausdorff since it is a metric space, so $|K|$ is Hausdorff too.
So let's show that $eta$ is continuous. For every $sigma in S_K$, $eta circ inc_sigma colon |sigma| rightarrow |K|_d$ is an isometry, therefore continuous. The (so called) universal property of the final topology imply $eta$ is continuous.
Yet another approach...
I will call $|K|_d$ the metric space associated to $|K|$. Consider the function $eta : |K| rightarrow |K|_d$ defined to be $eta(alpha)=alpha$ for $alpha in |K|$.
By proving $eta$ continuous, we show that every open set in $|K|_d$ is open in $|K|$, equivalently, the metric topology is coarser than the topology of $|K|$ (that is the final topology on $|K|$ with respect to the family of inclusions $inc_sigma colon |sigma| rightarrow |K|$). But $|K|_d$ is Hausdorff since it is a metric space, so $|K|$ is Hausdorff too.
So let's show that $eta$ is continuous. For every $sigma in S_K$, $eta circ inc_sigma colon |sigma| rightarrow |K|_d$ is an isometry, therefore continuous. The (so called) universal property of the final topology imply $eta$ is continuous.
answered Jan 21 at 12:03
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Either the two points are contained in the same simplex, or they are not.
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 17:06
Would you mind expanding this a bit? I'm not quite sure how it helps? Thanks
– Wooster
Mar 9 '14 at 19:06
What do you know about the topological properties of a simplex which might be relevant if it contains two points. If a simplex contains a point, how might you construct an open set containing the point which will help you?
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 19:23
Well a simplex is just a subset of $mathbb{R}^n$ for some $n$ so it is Hausdorff? and so if you have two points in the same simplex you can certainly fit two open sets around them? And then if you have two points in different simplices you can fit open sets around them?
– Wooster
Mar 9 '14 at 19:29
Try the interior of a simplex as an open set - taking care you have covered the $0$-dimensional case.
– Mark Bennet
Mar 9 '14 at 19:34