Summability of double partial derivatives of $frac{1}{|x|}$ in dimension $3$











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I know the fact that its laplacian is equal to the Dirac delta function. However, is it true that its partial derivatives of order 2 belong to $L^{1}(mathbb{R}^3)$? And how should I show that, in case this is true? I had thought of calculating derivatives in standard coordinates and then pass to spherical coordinates to see if something got simpler, but I am not sure this would work.










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          The derivatives of order 2 of $u(x)=frac{1}{|x|}$does not belong to $L^1$. The sum $left(partial^2_1+ partial^2_2+partial^2_3 right) u= delta_0 notin L^1$ so at least one of them is not in $L^1$ (and by symmetry none of them).



          As you mentioned an other option is to compute these derivatives:
          $$partial_i u =frac{x_i}{|x|^3}$$
          so:
          $$partial_{ij}^2 u = begin{cases}frac{1}{|x|^3}-frac{3x_i^2} {|x^5|} text{ if } i=j \
          -3frac{x_i x_j}{|x|^5} text{ if } i neq j end{cases}$$

          but none of these functions are in $L^1$. For example using spherical coordinates you obtain
          $$iiint_{mathbb{R}^3} frac{x_1 x_2}{|x|^5} dx_1d_x2d_x3 =int_0^infty int_0^{2 pi} int_0^pi frac{r^2 sin(theta)^2 |cos(phi) sin(phi)|}{r^5} r^2 sin(theta) dtheta dphi dr=int_0^infty frac{1}{r} left(int_0^{2pi}int_0^pi sin(theta)^3 frac{1}{2} |sin(2phi)| dtheta dphi right) dr=+infty$$.



          The same behavior emerges in all cases: a singularity like $frac{1}{r}$ which is not integrable.






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            You are absolutely right, I ecplained it wrong. What I wanted to show is that the convolution of those derivatives with a function belonging to $L^1$ belongs to $L^1$, so the Dirac delta doesn’t bother me.
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday








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            Can I show that those derivatives behave like a properly rescaled Dirac delta? Like the double derivative with respect to only 1 variable behave like a third of the laplacian (by simmetry this should hold)
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday






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            The singularity should appear in the case of the laplacian as well. So shouldn’t there be a way to get a properly rescaled Dirac delta eith the double detivatives as well?
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday






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            @tommy1996q It is very interesting question :-). The $1/r$ singularity is not too bad as you are in a weak $L^1$ space. But unfortunately Young inequality for $L^p/L^{q,infty}$ spaces does not hold for $p=q=1$. So you are in a way in a "critical" case so it is maybe possible to have such property but one must use some properties of $1/|x|$ to do so.
            – Delta-u
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          • Well, if $p=1$ is a problem, feel free to take higher values. The key point here is I want to see how to work with those derivatives in a useful way, like it is done for the laplacian
            – tommy1996q
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          The derivatives of order 2 of $u(x)=frac{1}{|x|}$does not belong to $L^1$. The sum $left(partial^2_1+ partial^2_2+partial^2_3 right) u= delta_0 notin L^1$ so at least one of them is not in $L^1$ (and by symmetry none of them).



          As you mentioned an other option is to compute these derivatives:
          $$partial_i u =frac{x_i}{|x|^3}$$
          so:
          $$partial_{ij}^2 u = begin{cases}frac{1}{|x|^3}-frac{3x_i^2} {|x^5|} text{ if } i=j \
          -3frac{x_i x_j}{|x|^5} text{ if } i neq j end{cases}$$

          but none of these functions are in $L^1$. For example using spherical coordinates you obtain
          $$iiint_{mathbb{R}^3} frac{x_1 x_2}{|x|^5} dx_1d_x2d_x3 =int_0^infty int_0^{2 pi} int_0^pi frac{r^2 sin(theta)^2 |cos(phi) sin(phi)|}{r^5} r^2 sin(theta) dtheta dphi dr=int_0^infty frac{1}{r} left(int_0^{2pi}int_0^pi sin(theta)^3 frac{1}{2} |sin(2phi)| dtheta dphi right) dr=+infty$$.



          The same behavior emerges in all cases: a singularity like $frac{1}{r}$ which is not integrable.






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            You are absolutely right, I ecplained it wrong. What I wanted to show is that the convolution of those derivatives with a function belonging to $L^1$ belongs to $L^1$, so the Dirac delta doesn’t bother me.
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday








          • 1




            Can I show that those derivatives behave like a properly rescaled Dirac delta? Like the double derivative with respect to only 1 variable behave like a third of the laplacian (by simmetry this should hold)
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday






          • 1




            The singularity should appear in the case of the laplacian as well. So shouldn’t there be a way to get a properly rescaled Dirac delta eith the double detivatives as well?
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday






          • 1




            @tommy1996q It is very interesting question :-). The $1/r$ singularity is not too bad as you are in a weak $L^1$ space. But unfortunately Young inequality for $L^p/L^{q,infty}$ spaces does not hold for $p=q=1$. So you are in a way in a "critical" case so it is maybe possible to have such property but one must use some properties of $1/|x|$ to do so.
            – Delta-u
            yesterday












          • Well, if $p=1$ is a problem, feel free to take higher values. The key point here is I want to see how to work with those derivatives in a useful way, like it is done for the laplacian
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday















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          The derivatives of order 2 of $u(x)=frac{1}{|x|}$does not belong to $L^1$. The sum $left(partial^2_1+ partial^2_2+partial^2_3 right) u= delta_0 notin L^1$ so at least one of them is not in $L^1$ (and by symmetry none of them).



          As you mentioned an other option is to compute these derivatives:
          $$partial_i u =frac{x_i}{|x|^3}$$
          so:
          $$partial_{ij}^2 u = begin{cases}frac{1}{|x|^3}-frac{3x_i^2} {|x^5|} text{ if } i=j \
          -3frac{x_i x_j}{|x|^5} text{ if } i neq j end{cases}$$

          but none of these functions are in $L^1$. For example using spherical coordinates you obtain
          $$iiint_{mathbb{R}^3} frac{x_1 x_2}{|x|^5} dx_1d_x2d_x3 =int_0^infty int_0^{2 pi} int_0^pi frac{r^2 sin(theta)^2 |cos(phi) sin(phi)|}{r^5} r^2 sin(theta) dtheta dphi dr=int_0^infty frac{1}{r} left(int_0^{2pi}int_0^pi sin(theta)^3 frac{1}{2} |sin(2phi)| dtheta dphi right) dr=+infty$$.



          The same behavior emerges in all cases: a singularity like $frac{1}{r}$ which is not integrable.






          share|cite|improve this answer

















          • 1




            You are absolutely right, I ecplained it wrong. What I wanted to show is that the convolution of those derivatives with a function belonging to $L^1$ belongs to $L^1$, so the Dirac delta doesn’t bother me.
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday








          • 1




            Can I show that those derivatives behave like a properly rescaled Dirac delta? Like the double derivative with respect to only 1 variable behave like a third of the laplacian (by simmetry this should hold)
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday






          • 1




            The singularity should appear in the case of the laplacian as well. So shouldn’t there be a way to get a properly rescaled Dirac delta eith the double detivatives as well?
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday






          • 1




            @tommy1996q It is very interesting question :-). The $1/r$ singularity is not too bad as you are in a weak $L^1$ space. But unfortunately Young inequality for $L^p/L^{q,infty}$ spaces does not hold for $p=q=1$. So you are in a way in a "critical" case so it is maybe possible to have such property but one must use some properties of $1/|x|$ to do so.
            – Delta-u
            yesterday












          • Well, if $p=1$ is a problem, feel free to take higher values. The key point here is I want to see how to work with those derivatives in a useful way, like it is done for the laplacian
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday













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          The derivatives of order 2 of $u(x)=frac{1}{|x|}$does not belong to $L^1$. The sum $left(partial^2_1+ partial^2_2+partial^2_3 right) u= delta_0 notin L^1$ so at least one of them is not in $L^1$ (and by symmetry none of them).



          As you mentioned an other option is to compute these derivatives:
          $$partial_i u =frac{x_i}{|x|^3}$$
          so:
          $$partial_{ij}^2 u = begin{cases}frac{1}{|x|^3}-frac{3x_i^2} {|x^5|} text{ if } i=j \
          -3frac{x_i x_j}{|x|^5} text{ if } i neq j end{cases}$$

          but none of these functions are in $L^1$. For example using spherical coordinates you obtain
          $$iiint_{mathbb{R}^3} frac{x_1 x_2}{|x|^5} dx_1d_x2d_x3 =int_0^infty int_0^{2 pi} int_0^pi frac{r^2 sin(theta)^2 |cos(phi) sin(phi)|}{r^5} r^2 sin(theta) dtheta dphi dr=int_0^infty frac{1}{r} left(int_0^{2pi}int_0^pi sin(theta)^3 frac{1}{2} |sin(2phi)| dtheta dphi right) dr=+infty$$.



          The same behavior emerges in all cases: a singularity like $frac{1}{r}$ which is not integrable.






          share|cite|improve this answer












          The derivatives of order 2 of $u(x)=frac{1}{|x|}$does not belong to $L^1$. The sum $left(partial^2_1+ partial^2_2+partial^2_3 right) u= delta_0 notin L^1$ so at least one of them is not in $L^1$ (and by symmetry none of them).



          As you mentioned an other option is to compute these derivatives:
          $$partial_i u =frac{x_i}{|x|^3}$$
          so:
          $$partial_{ij}^2 u = begin{cases}frac{1}{|x|^3}-frac{3x_i^2} {|x^5|} text{ if } i=j \
          -3frac{x_i x_j}{|x|^5} text{ if } i neq j end{cases}$$

          but none of these functions are in $L^1$. For example using spherical coordinates you obtain
          $$iiint_{mathbb{R}^3} frac{x_1 x_2}{|x|^5} dx_1d_x2d_x3 =int_0^infty int_0^{2 pi} int_0^pi frac{r^2 sin(theta)^2 |cos(phi) sin(phi)|}{r^5} r^2 sin(theta) dtheta dphi dr=int_0^infty frac{1}{r} left(int_0^{2pi}int_0^pi sin(theta)^3 frac{1}{2} |sin(2phi)| dtheta dphi right) dr=+infty$$.



          The same behavior emerges in all cases: a singularity like $frac{1}{r}$ which is not integrable.







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            You are absolutely right, I ecplained it wrong. What I wanted to show is that the convolution of those derivatives with a function belonging to $L^1$ belongs to $L^1$, so the Dirac delta doesn’t bother me.
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday








          • 1




            Can I show that those derivatives behave like a properly rescaled Dirac delta? Like the double derivative with respect to only 1 variable behave like a third of the laplacian (by simmetry this should hold)
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday






          • 1




            The singularity should appear in the case of the laplacian as well. So shouldn’t there be a way to get a properly rescaled Dirac delta eith the double detivatives as well?
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday






          • 1




            @tommy1996q It is very interesting question :-). The $1/r$ singularity is not too bad as you are in a weak $L^1$ space. But unfortunately Young inequality for $L^p/L^{q,infty}$ spaces does not hold for $p=q=1$. So you are in a way in a "critical" case so it is maybe possible to have such property but one must use some properties of $1/|x|$ to do so.
            – Delta-u
            yesterday












          • Well, if $p=1$ is a problem, feel free to take higher values. The key point here is I want to see how to work with those derivatives in a useful way, like it is done for the laplacian
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday














          • 1




            You are absolutely right, I ecplained it wrong. What I wanted to show is that the convolution of those derivatives with a function belonging to $L^1$ belongs to $L^1$, so the Dirac delta doesn’t bother me.
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday








          • 1




            Can I show that those derivatives behave like a properly rescaled Dirac delta? Like the double derivative with respect to only 1 variable behave like a third of the laplacian (by simmetry this should hold)
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday






          • 1




            The singularity should appear in the case of the laplacian as well. So shouldn’t there be a way to get a properly rescaled Dirac delta eith the double detivatives as well?
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday






          • 1




            @tommy1996q It is very interesting question :-). The $1/r$ singularity is not too bad as you are in a weak $L^1$ space. But unfortunately Young inequality for $L^p/L^{q,infty}$ spaces does not hold for $p=q=1$. So you are in a way in a "critical" case so it is maybe possible to have such property but one must use some properties of $1/|x|$ to do so.
            – Delta-u
            yesterday












          • Well, if $p=1$ is a problem, feel free to take higher values. The key point here is I want to see how to work with those derivatives in a useful way, like it is done for the laplacian
            – tommy1996q
            yesterday








          1




          1




          You are absolutely right, I ecplained it wrong. What I wanted to show is that the convolution of those derivatives with a function belonging to $L^1$ belongs to $L^1$, so the Dirac delta doesn’t bother me.
          – tommy1996q
          yesterday






          You are absolutely right, I ecplained it wrong. What I wanted to show is that the convolution of those derivatives with a function belonging to $L^1$ belongs to $L^1$, so the Dirac delta doesn’t bother me.
          – tommy1996q
          yesterday






          1




          1




          Can I show that those derivatives behave like a properly rescaled Dirac delta? Like the double derivative with respect to only 1 variable behave like a third of the laplacian (by simmetry this should hold)
          – tommy1996q
          yesterday




          Can I show that those derivatives behave like a properly rescaled Dirac delta? Like the double derivative with respect to only 1 variable behave like a third of the laplacian (by simmetry this should hold)
          – tommy1996q
          yesterday




          1




          1




          The singularity should appear in the case of the laplacian as well. So shouldn’t there be a way to get a properly rescaled Dirac delta eith the double detivatives as well?
          – tommy1996q
          yesterday




          The singularity should appear in the case of the laplacian as well. So shouldn’t there be a way to get a properly rescaled Dirac delta eith the double detivatives as well?
          – tommy1996q
          yesterday




          1




          1




          @tommy1996q It is very interesting question :-). The $1/r$ singularity is not too bad as you are in a weak $L^1$ space. But unfortunately Young inequality for $L^p/L^{q,infty}$ spaces does not hold for $p=q=1$. So you are in a way in a "critical" case so it is maybe possible to have such property but one must use some properties of $1/|x|$ to do so.
          – Delta-u
          yesterday






          @tommy1996q It is very interesting question :-). The $1/r$ singularity is not too bad as you are in a weak $L^1$ space. But unfortunately Young inequality for $L^p/L^{q,infty}$ spaces does not hold for $p=q=1$. So you are in a way in a "critical" case so it is maybe possible to have such property but one must use some properties of $1/|x|$ to do so.
          – Delta-u
          yesterday














          Well, if $p=1$ is a problem, feel free to take higher values. The key point here is I want to see how to work with those derivatives in a useful way, like it is done for the laplacian
          – tommy1996q
          yesterday




          Well, if $p=1$ is a problem, feel free to take higher values. The key point here is I want to see how to work with those derivatives in a useful way, like it is done for the laplacian
          – tommy1996q
          yesterday


















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