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I was reviewing my homework and it seems I overlooked something crucial while proving some ring has no Invariant Basis Number property. This is exercise VI.1.12 in Aluffi's Algebra: Chapter 0



The setup: $V$ is a $k$-vector space and let $R = mathrm{End}_{k}(V)$.




  1. Prove that $mathrm{End}_{k}(Voplus V) cong R^4$ as an $R$-module

  2. Prove that $R$ doesn't satisfy the IBN property if $V = k^{oplus mathbb N}$.


For the first, I used to the fact that $V oplus V$ is both the product and coproduct (in $k$-Vect) of $V$ with itself to get the isomorphism. What I just realized is I only showed that the two are isomorphic as groups not $R$-modules. So what would be the $R$-module structure on $mathrm{End}_{k}(V oplus V)$?



For the second, I used the fact that $V = k^{oplus mathbb N}$ implies $V cong V oplus V$ which in turn implies $R = mathrm{End}_{k}(V) cong mathrm{End}_{k}(V oplus V)$. Again, I just realized that I only showed the latter two are isomorphic as groups.



It may be obvious (and maybe why my professor let it pass?) but I can't come up with a good $R$-module structure that makes the two group isomorphisms $R$-linear.



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Explicitly, these are the isomorphisms I'm dealing with. Let $pi_j, i_j$ be the natural projection/inclusion maps of the $j$-th factor resp. and $psi: k^{oplus mathbb N} oplus k^{oplus mathbb N} to k^{oplus mathbb N}$ the isomorphism given by $psi(e_i, 0)=e_{2i-1}$ and $psi(0, e_i)=e_{2i}$.



Then the first isomorphism $mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V)to R^4$ is given by $varphi mapsto (pi_1varphi i_1,pi_2varphi i_1,pi_1varphi i_2,pi_2varphi i_2)$



The second isomorphism $R to mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V)$ is given by $alpha mapsto psi^{-1} alpha psi$



The composition doesn't seem to be $R$-linear if I use the obvious $R$-module structure on $R$ and $R^4$.










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    For the conclusion I want, i.e., $R$ doesn't have the IBN property since $R cong R^4$, I need isomorphic as $R$-modules.
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    – genepeer
    May 3 '15 at 21:38










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    Now that I think some more, it could be that the two isomorphism are just group isomorphisms but the composition $R cong R^4$ becomes $R$-linear trivially.
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    The composition doesn't seem to be R-linear: Let $psi:V oplus V to V$ be the isomorphism $psi(e_i, 0) = e_{2i-1}$ and $psi(0, e_i) = e_{2i}$. Then the composition $R cong R^4$ is given by $$alpha mapsto (pi_1 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_1, pi_2 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_1, pi_1 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_2, pi_2 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_2)$$
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I was reviewing my homework and it seems I overlooked something crucial while proving some ring has no Invariant Basis Number property. This is exercise VI.1.12 in Aluffi's Algebra: Chapter 0



The setup: $V$ is a $k$-vector space and let $R = mathrm{End}_{k}(V)$.




  1. Prove that $mathrm{End}_{k}(Voplus V) cong R^4$ as an $R$-module

  2. Prove that $R$ doesn't satisfy the IBN property if $V = k^{oplus mathbb N}$.


For the first, I used to the fact that $V oplus V$ is both the product and coproduct (in $k$-Vect) of $V$ with itself to get the isomorphism. What I just realized is I only showed that the two are isomorphic as groups not $R$-modules. So what would be the $R$-module structure on $mathrm{End}_{k}(V oplus V)$?



For the second, I used the fact that $V = k^{oplus mathbb N}$ implies $V cong V oplus V$ which in turn implies $R = mathrm{End}_{k}(V) cong mathrm{End}_{k}(V oplus V)$. Again, I just realized that I only showed the latter two are isomorphic as groups.



It may be obvious (and maybe why my professor let it pass?) but I can't come up with a good $R$-module structure that makes the two group isomorphisms $R$-linear.



Edit:



Explicitly, these are the isomorphisms I'm dealing with. Let $pi_j, i_j$ be the natural projection/inclusion maps of the $j$-th factor resp. and $psi: k^{oplus mathbb N} oplus k^{oplus mathbb N} to k^{oplus mathbb N}$ the isomorphism given by $psi(e_i, 0)=e_{2i-1}$ and $psi(0, e_i)=e_{2i}$.



Then the first isomorphism $mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V)to R^4$ is given by $varphi mapsto (pi_1varphi i_1,pi_2varphi i_1,pi_1varphi i_2,pi_2varphi i_2)$



The second isomorphism $R to mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V)$ is given by $alpha mapsto psi^{-1} alpha psi$



The composition doesn't seem to be $R$-linear if I use the obvious $R$-module structure on $R$ and $R^4$.










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    For the conclusion I want, i.e., $R$ doesn't have the IBN property since $R cong R^4$, I need isomorphic as $R$-modules.
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    – genepeer
    May 3 '15 at 21:38










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    Now that I think some more, it could be that the two isomorphism are just group isomorphisms but the composition $R cong R^4$ becomes $R$-linear trivially.
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    – genepeer
    May 3 '15 at 21:47










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    The composition doesn't seem to be R-linear: Let $psi:V oplus V to V$ be the isomorphism $psi(e_i, 0) = e_{2i-1}$ and $psi(0, e_i) = e_{2i}$. Then the composition $R cong R^4$ is given by $$alpha mapsto (pi_1 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_1, pi_2 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_1, pi_1 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_2, pi_2 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_2)$$
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I was reviewing my homework and it seems I overlooked something crucial while proving some ring has no Invariant Basis Number property. This is exercise VI.1.12 in Aluffi's Algebra: Chapter 0



The setup: $V$ is a $k$-vector space and let $R = mathrm{End}_{k}(V)$.




  1. Prove that $mathrm{End}_{k}(Voplus V) cong R^4$ as an $R$-module

  2. Prove that $R$ doesn't satisfy the IBN property if $V = k^{oplus mathbb N}$.


For the first, I used to the fact that $V oplus V$ is both the product and coproduct (in $k$-Vect) of $V$ with itself to get the isomorphism. What I just realized is I only showed that the two are isomorphic as groups not $R$-modules. So what would be the $R$-module structure on $mathrm{End}_{k}(V oplus V)$?



For the second, I used the fact that $V = k^{oplus mathbb N}$ implies $V cong V oplus V$ which in turn implies $R = mathrm{End}_{k}(V) cong mathrm{End}_{k}(V oplus V)$. Again, I just realized that I only showed the latter two are isomorphic as groups.



It may be obvious (and maybe why my professor let it pass?) but I can't come up with a good $R$-module structure that makes the two group isomorphisms $R$-linear.



Edit:



Explicitly, these are the isomorphisms I'm dealing with. Let $pi_j, i_j$ be the natural projection/inclusion maps of the $j$-th factor resp. and $psi: k^{oplus mathbb N} oplus k^{oplus mathbb N} to k^{oplus mathbb N}$ the isomorphism given by $psi(e_i, 0)=e_{2i-1}$ and $psi(0, e_i)=e_{2i}$.



Then the first isomorphism $mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V)to R^4$ is given by $varphi mapsto (pi_1varphi i_1,pi_2varphi i_1,pi_1varphi i_2,pi_2varphi i_2)$



The second isomorphism $R to mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V)$ is given by $alpha mapsto psi^{-1} alpha psi$



The composition doesn't seem to be $R$-linear if I use the obvious $R$-module structure on $R$ and $R^4$.










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I was reviewing my homework and it seems I overlooked something crucial while proving some ring has no Invariant Basis Number property. This is exercise VI.1.12 in Aluffi's Algebra: Chapter 0



The setup: $V$ is a $k$-vector space and let $R = mathrm{End}_{k}(V)$.




  1. Prove that $mathrm{End}_{k}(Voplus V) cong R^4$ as an $R$-module

  2. Prove that $R$ doesn't satisfy the IBN property if $V = k^{oplus mathbb N}$.


For the first, I used to the fact that $V oplus V$ is both the product and coproduct (in $k$-Vect) of $V$ with itself to get the isomorphism. What I just realized is I only showed that the two are isomorphic as groups not $R$-modules. So what would be the $R$-module structure on $mathrm{End}_{k}(V oplus V)$?



For the second, I used the fact that $V = k^{oplus mathbb N}$ implies $V cong V oplus V$ which in turn implies $R = mathrm{End}_{k}(V) cong mathrm{End}_{k}(V oplus V)$. Again, I just realized that I only showed the latter two are isomorphic as groups.



It may be obvious (and maybe why my professor let it pass?) but I can't come up with a good $R$-module structure that makes the two group isomorphisms $R$-linear.



Edit:



Explicitly, these are the isomorphisms I'm dealing with. Let $pi_j, i_j$ be the natural projection/inclusion maps of the $j$-th factor resp. and $psi: k^{oplus mathbb N} oplus k^{oplus mathbb N} to k^{oplus mathbb N}$ the isomorphism given by $psi(e_i, 0)=e_{2i-1}$ and $psi(0, e_i)=e_{2i}$.



Then the first isomorphism $mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V)to R^4$ is given by $varphi mapsto (pi_1varphi i_1,pi_2varphi i_1,pi_1varphi i_2,pi_2varphi i_2)$



The second isomorphism $R to mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V)$ is given by $alpha mapsto psi^{-1} alpha psi$



The composition doesn't seem to be $R$-linear if I use the obvious $R$-module structure on $R$ and $R^4$.







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    For the conclusion I want, i.e., $R$ doesn't have the IBN property since $R cong R^4$, I need isomorphic as $R$-modules.
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    – genepeer
    May 3 '15 at 21:38










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    Now that I think some more, it could be that the two isomorphism are just group isomorphisms but the composition $R cong R^4$ becomes $R$-linear trivially.
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    – genepeer
    May 3 '15 at 21:47










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    The composition doesn't seem to be R-linear: Let $psi:V oplus V to V$ be the isomorphism $psi(e_i, 0) = e_{2i-1}$ and $psi(0, e_i) = e_{2i}$. Then the composition $R cong R^4$ is given by $$alpha mapsto (pi_1 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_1, pi_2 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_1, pi_1 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_2, pi_2 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_2)$$
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    For the conclusion I want, i.e., $R$ doesn't have the IBN property since $R cong R^4$, I need isomorphic as $R$-modules.
    $endgroup$
    – genepeer
    May 3 '15 at 21:38










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    Now that I think some more, it could be that the two isomorphism are just group isomorphisms but the composition $R cong R^4$ becomes $R$-linear trivially.
    $endgroup$
    – genepeer
    May 3 '15 at 21:47










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    The composition doesn't seem to be R-linear: Let $psi:V oplus V to V$ be the isomorphism $psi(e_i, 0) = e_{2i-1}$ and $psi(0, e_i) = e_{2i}$. Then the composition $R cong R^4$ is given by $$alpha mapsto (pi_1 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_1, pi_2 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_1, pi_1 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_2, pi_2 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_2)$$
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For the conclusion I want, i.e., $R$ doesn't have the IBN property since $R cong R^4$, I need isomorphic as $R$-modules.
$endgroup$
– genepeer
May 3 '15 at 21:38




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For the conclusion I want, i.e., $R$ doesn't have the IBN property since $R cong R^4$, I need isomorphic as $R$-modules.
$endgroup$
– genepeer
May 3 '15 at 21:38












$begingroup$
Now that I think some more, it could be that the two isomorphism are just group isomorphisms but the composition $R cong R^4$ becomes $R$-linear trivially.
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– genepeer
May 3 '15 at 21:47




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Now that I think some more, it could be that the two isomorphism are just group isomorphisms but the composition $R cong R^4$ becomes $R$-linear trivially.
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May 3 '15 at 21:47












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The composition doesn't seem to be R-linear: Let $psi:V oplus V to V$ be the isomorphism $psi(e_i, 0) = e_{2i-1}$ and $psi(0, e_i) = e_{2i}$. Then the composition $R cong R^4$ is given by $$alpha mapsto (pi_1 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_1, pi_2 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_1, pi_1 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_2, pi_2 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_2)$$
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The composition doesn't seem to be R-linear: Let $psi:V oplus V to V$ be the isomorphism $psi(e_i, 0) = e_{2i-1}$ and $psi(0, e_i) = e_{2i}$. Then the composition $R cong R^4$ is given by $$alpha mapsto (pi_1 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_1, pi_2 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_1, pi_1 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_2, pi_2 (psi^{-1} alpha psi) i_2)$$
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I know how to prove that $R$ does not satisfy IBN (still thinking about the first question). Take a basis ${e_imid iinmathbb{N}}$ for $V$ as a $k$-vector space. Define $f_1,f_2in R$ by $f_1(e_i)=e_{2i-1}$ and $f_2(e_i)=e_{2i}$. Then ${f_1,f_2}$ generates $R$ as a right $R$-module, and this set is $R$-linearly independent. So $R^{2}$ and $R$ are isomorphic as $R$-modules, because ${1}$ is also a basis for $R$ as $R$-module.






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    I'll let it stay. I'm a bit confused by why the set is linearly independent. Let $alpha_1, alpha_2, f_1, f_2 , z in R$ where $z$ is the zero function. You're saying $$alpha_1 circ f_1 + alpha_2 circ f_2 = z$$ implies $alpha_1 = alpha_2 = z$? I'm assuming multiplication in $R$ is composition and addition point-wise.
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    yes, that is right. Do you want me to complete the proof?
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    Wait. What if $alpha_1(e_1) = e_1$ and vanishes on other bases, and $alpha_2(e_2) = -e_1$ and vanishes on other bases. Then $$(alpha_1 circ f_1 + alpha circ f_2 )(r_1, r_2, ldots) = alpha_1(r_1, 0, r_2, 0, ldots) + alpha_2(0, r_1, 0, r_2, 0, ldots) = (r_1, 0, 0, ldots) + (-r_1, 0, 0, ldots) = (0, 0 , 0 ldots)$$
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    Aren't $f_1, f_2$ zero-divisors?
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    Sorry, you are correct. But if you consider the right $R$-module structure then ${f_1,f_2}$ will be $R$ linearly independent.
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The way the question is posed, it seems implied that we can use the first part to prove the second. But that is impossible as far I can tell: the induced composition $R cong R^4$ is not $R$-linear.



However, the first isomorphism can be made $R$-linear by using the following structure:



$alpha in R, varphi in mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V) $ then $$ alpha cdot varphi = (alpha oplus alpha) circ varphi $$



This structure appears to be lost through any isomorphism $R cong mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V)$.






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    I know how to prove that $R$ does not satisfy IBN (still thinking about the first question). Take a basis ${e_imid iinmathbb{N}}$ for $V$ as a $k$-vector space. Define $f_1,f_2in R$ by $f_1(e_i)=e_{2i-1}$ and $f_2(e_i)=e_{2i}$. Then ${f_1,f_2}$ generates $R$ as a right $R$-module, and this set is $R$-linearly independent. So $R^{2}$ and $R$ are isomorphic as $R$-modules, because ${1}$ is also a basis for $R$ as $R$-module.






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      I'll let it stay. I'm a bit confused by why the set is linearly independent. Let $alpha_1, alpha_2, f_1, f_2 , z in R$ where $z$ is the zero function. You're saying $$alpha_1 circ f_1 + alpha_2 circ f_2 = z$$ implies $alpha_1 = alpha_2 = z$? I'm assuming multiplication in $R$ is composition and addition point-wise.
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      yes, that is right. Do you want me to complete the proof?
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      Wait. What if $alpha_1(e_1) = e_1$ and vanishes on other bases, and $alpha_2(e_2) = -e_1$ and vanishes on other bases. Then $$(alpha_1 circ f_1 + alpha circ f_2 )(r_1, r_2, ldots) = alpha_1(r_1, 0, r_2, 0, ldots) + alpha_2(0, r_1, 0, r_2, 0, ldots) = (r_1, 0, 0, ldots) + (-r_1, 0, 0, ldots) = (0, 0 , 0 ldots)$$
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      Aren't $f_1, f_2$ zero-divisors?
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      Sorry, you are correct. But if you consider the right $R$-module structure then ${f_1,f_2}$ will be $R$ linearly independent.
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    I know how to prove that $R$ does not satisfy IBN (still thinking about the first question). Take a basis ${e_imid iinmathbb{N}}$ for $V$ as a $k$-vector space. Define $f_1,f_2in R$ by $f_1(e_i)=e_{2i-1}$ and $f_2(e_i)=e_{2i}$. Then ${f_1,f_2}$ generates $R$ as a right $R$-module, and this set is $R$-linearly independent. So $R^{2}$ and $R$ are isomorphic as $R$-modules, because ${1}$ is also a basis for $R$ as $R$-module.






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      I'll let it stay. I'm a bit confused by why the set is linearly independent. Let $alpha_1, alpha_2, f_1, f_2 , z in R$ where $z$ is the zero function. You're saying $$alpha_1 circ f_1 + alpha_2 circ f_2 = z$$ implies $alpha_1 = alpha_2 = z$? I'm assuming multiplication in $R$ is composition and addition point-wise.
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      yes, that is right. Do you want me to complete the proof?
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      Wait. What if $alpha_1(e_1) = e_1$ and vanishes on other bases, and $alpha_2(e_2) = -e_1$ and vanishes on other bases. Then $$(alpha_1 circ f_1 + alpha circ f_2 )(r_1, r_2, ldots) = alpha_1(r_1, 0, r_2, 0, ldots) + alpha_2(0, r_1, 0, r_2, 0, ldots) = (r_1, 0, 0, ldots) + (-r_1, 0, 0, ldots) = (0, 0 , 0 ldots)$$
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      Aren't $f_1, f_2$ zero-divisors?
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      Sorry, you are correct. But if you consider the right $R$-module structure then ${f_1,f_2}$ will be $R$ linearly independent.
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    I know how to prove that $R$ does not satisfy IBN (still thinking about the first question). Take a basis ${e_imid iinmathbb{N}}$ for $V$ as a $k$-vector space. Define $f_1,f_2in R$ by $f_1(e_i)=e_{2i-1}$ and $f_2(e_i)=e_{2i}$. Then ${f_1,f_2}$ generates $R$ as a right $R$-module, and this set is $R$-linearly independent. So $R^{2}$ and $R$ are isomorphic as $R$-modules, because ${1}$ is also a basis for $R$ as $R$-module.






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    I know how to prove that $R$ does not satisfy IBN (still thinking about the first question). Take a basis ${e_imid iinmathbb{N}}$ for $V$ as a $k$-vector space. Define $f_1,f_2in R$ by $f_1(e_i)=e_{2i-1}$ and $f_2(e_i)=e_{2i}$. Then ${f_1,f_2}$ generates $R$ as a right $R$-module, and this set is $R$-linearly independent. So $R^{2}$ and $R$ are isomorphic as $R$-modules, because ${1}$ is also a basis for $R$ as $R$-module.







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      I'll let it stay. I'm a bit confused by why the set is linearly independent. Let $alpha_1, alpha_2, f_1, f_2 , z in R$ where $z$ is the zero function. You're saying $$alpha_1 circ f_1 + alpha_2 circ f_2 = z$$ implies $alpha_1 = alpha_2 = z$? I'm assuming multiplication in $R$ is composition and addition point-wise.
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      – genepeer
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      yes, that is right. Do you want me to complete the proof?
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      – Studzinski
      May 3 '15 at 22:08










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      Wait. What if $alpha_1(e_1) = e_1$ and vanishes on other bases, and $alpha_2(e_2) = -e_1$ and vanishes on other bases. Then $$(alpha_1 circ f_1 + alpha circ f_2 )(r_1, r_2, ldots) = alpha_1(r_1, 0, r_2, 0, ldots) + alpha_2(0, r_1, 0, r_2, 0, ldots) = (r_1, 0, 0, ldots) + (-r_1, 0, 0, ldots) = (0, 0 , 0 ldots)$$
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      – genepeer
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      Aren't $f_1, f_2$ zero-divisors?
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      – genepeer
      May 3 '15 at 22:47








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      Sorry, you are correct. But if you consider the right $R$-module structure then ${f_1,f_2}$ will be $R$ linearly independent.
      $endgroup$
      – Studzinski
      May 4 '15 at 0:36


















    • $begingroup$
      I'll let it stay. I'm a bit confused by why the set is linearly independent. Let $alpha_1, alpha_2, f_1, f_2 , z in R$ where $z$ is the zero function. You're saying $$alpha_1 circ f_1 + alpha_2 circ f_2 = z$$ implies $alpha_1 = alpha_2 = z$? I'm assuming multiplication in $R$ is composition and addition point-wise.
      $endgroup$
      – genepeer
      May 3 '15 at 22:00












    • $begingroup$
      yes, that is right. Do you want me to complete the proof?
      $endgroup$
      – Studzinski
      May 3 '15 at 22:08










    • $begingroup$
      Wait. What if $alpha_1(e_1) = e_1$ and vanishes on other bases, and $alpha_2(e_2) = -e_1$ and vanishes on other bases. Then $$(alpha_1 circ f_1 + alpha circ f_2 )(r_1, r_2, ldots) = alpha_1(r_1, 0, r_2, 0, ldots) + alpha_2(0, r_1, 0, r_2, 0, ldots) = (r_1, 0, 0, ldots) + (-r_1, 0, 0, ldots) = (0, 0 , 0 ldots)$$
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      – genepeer
      May 3 '15 at 22:40












    • $begingroup$
      Aren't $f_1, f_2$ zero-divisors?
      $endgroup$
      – genepeer
      May 3 '15 at 22:47








    • 1




      $begingroup$
      Sorry, you are correct. But if you consider the right $R$-module structure then ${f_1,f_2}$ will be $R$ linearly independent.
      $endgroup$
      – Studzinski
      May 4 '15 at 0:36
















    $begingroup$
    I'll let it stay. I'm a bit confused by why the set is linearly independent. Let $alpha_1, alpha_2, f_1, f_2 , z in R$ where $z$ is the zero function. You're saying $$alpha_1 circ f_1 + alpha_2 circ f_2 = z$$ implies $alpha_1 = alpha_2 = z$? I'm assuming multiplication in $R$ is composition and addition point-wise.
    $endgroup$
    – genepeer
    May 3 '15 at 22:00






    $begingroup$
    I'll let it stay. I'm a bit confused by why the set is linearly independent. Let $alpha_1, alpha_2, f_1, f_2 , z in R$ where $z$ is the zero function. You're saying $$alpha_1 circ f_1 + alpha_2 circ f_2 = z$$ implies $alpha_1 = alpha_2 = z$? I'm assuming multiplication in $R$ is composition and addition point-wise.
    $endgroup$
    – genepeer
    May 3 '15 at 22:00














    $begingroup$
    yes, that is right. Do you want me to complete the proof?
    $endgroup$
    – Studzinski
    May 3 '15 at 22:08




    $begingroup$
    yes, that is right. Do you want me to complete the proof?
    $endgroup$
    – Studzinski
    May 3 '15 at 22:08












    $begingroup$
    Wait. What if $alpha_1(e_1) = e_1$ and vanishes on other bases, and $alpha_2(e_2) = -e_1$ and vanishes on other bases. Then $$(alpha_1 circ f_1 + alpha circ f_2 )(r_1, r_2, ldots) = alpha_1(r_1, 0, r_2, 0, ldots) + alpha_2(0, r_1, 0, r_2, 0, ldots) = (r_1, 0, 0, ldots) + (-r_1, 0, 0, ldots) = (0, 0 , 0 ldots)$$
    $endgroup$
    – genepeer
    May 3 '15 at 22:40






    $begingroup$
    Wait. What if $alpha_1(e_1) = e_1$ and vanishes on other bases, and $alpha_2(e_2) = -e_1$ and vanishes on other bases. Then $$(alpha_1 circ f_1 + alpha circ f_2 )(r_1, r_2, ldots) = alpha_1(r_1, 0, r_2, 0, ldots) + alpha_2(0, r_1, 0, r_2, 0, ldots) = (r_1, 0, 0, ldots) + (-r_1, 0, 0, ldots) = (0, 0 , 0 ldots)$$
    $endgroup$
    – genepeer
    May 3 '15 at 22:40














    $begingroup$
    Aren't $f_1, f_2$ zero-divisors?
    $endgroup$
    – genepeer
    May 3 '15 at 22:47






    $begingroup$
    Aren't $f_1, f_2$ zero-divisors?
    $endgroup$
    – genepeer
    May 3 '15 at 22:47






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    $begingroup$
    Sorry, you are correct. But if you consider the right $R$-module structure then ${f_1,f_2}$ will be $R$ linearly independent.
    $endgroup$
    – Studzinski
    May 4 '15 at 0:36




    $begingroup$
    Sorry, you are correct. But if you consider the right $R$-module structure then ${f_1,f_2}$ will be $R$ linearly independent.
    $endgroup$
    – Studzinski
    May 4 '15 at 0:36











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    The way the question is posed, it seems implied that we can use the first part to prove the second. But that is impossible as far I can tell: the induced composition $R cong R^4$ is not $R$-linear.



    However, the first isomorphism can be made $R$-linear by using the following structure:



    $alpha in R, varphi in mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V) $ then $$ alpha cdot varphi = (alpha oplus alpha) circ varphi $$



    This structure appears to be lost through any isomorphism $R cong mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V)$.






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      The way the question is posed, it seems implied that we can use the first part to prove the second. But that is impossible as far I can tell: the induced composition $R cong R^4$ is not $R$-linear.



      However, the first isomorphism can be made $R$-linear by using the following structure:



      $alpha in R, varphi in mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V) $ then $$ alpha cdot varphi = (alpha oplus alpha) circ varphi $$



      This structure appears to be lost through any isomorphism $R cong mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V)$.






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        The way the question is posed, it seems implied that we can use the first part to prove the second. But that is impossible as far I can tell: the induced composition $R cong R^4$ is not $R$-linear.



        However, the first isomorphism can be made $R$-linear by using the following structure:



        $alpha in R, varphi in mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V) $ then $$ alpha cdot varphi = (alpha oplus alpha) circ varphi $$



        This structure appears to be lost through any isomorphism $R cong mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V)$.






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        The way the question is posed, it seems implied that we can use the first part to prove the second. But that is impossible as far I can tell: the induced composition $R cong R^4$ is not $R$-linear.



        However, the first isomorphism can be made $R$-linear by using the following structure:



        $alpha in R, varphi in mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V) $ then $$ alpha cdot varphi = (alpha oplus alpha) circ varphi $$



        This structure appears to be lost through any isomorphism $R cong mathrm{End}_k(V oplus V)$.







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