Is it possible that $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{mcdot a}$ same as $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{m}$?
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$a^{2} - 1 equiv 0pmod{mcdot a}$ same as $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{m}$?
Given that $a$ and $m$ are relatively prime, is it possible for the above equation to hold true? My rational behind this is the following:
Because $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{mcdot a}$, this implies that $mcdot amid left(a^{2} - 1right)$, which implies $a^{2} - 1 = lcdot mcdot a, l in mathbb Z$
Is it wrong to then say that: let $t = lcdot a, t in mathbb Z$. Hence, we have $a^{2} - 1 = tcdot m$, thus implying that $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod {m}$
Note that $a$ is a positive integer in this case
EDIT: What I meant to ask was does $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{mcdot a}$ imply $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{m}$?
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$a^{2} - 1 equiv 0pmod{mcdot a}$ same as $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{m}$?
Given that $a$ and $m$ are relatively prime, is it possible for the above equation to hold true? My rational behind this is the following:
Because $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{mcdot a}$, this implies that $mcdot amid left(a^{2} - 1right)$, which implies $a^{2} - 1 = lcdot mcdot a, l in mathbb Z$
Is it wrong to then say that: let $t = lcdot a, t in mathbb Z$. Hence, we have $a^{2} - 1 = tcdot m$, thus implying that $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod {m}$
Note that $a$ is a positive integer in this case
EDIT: What I meant to ask was does $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{mcdot a}$ imply $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{m}$?
elementary-number-theory proof-verification modular-arithmetic
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Of course. What you say means $a= pm 1$. Indeed, $ammid a^2-1$, and thus, $amid a^2-1$. Hence, $a=pm 1$. This gives, the initial condition is equivalent to $mmid a^2-1$, precisely what you have wanted. Note that, you don't need the coprimeness of $a$ and $m$.
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– Aaron
Jan 15 at 18:29
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Does it? With $a=4$ and $m=3$ we have $15 equiv 0 bmod 3$. Yet, $15$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 12$.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:34
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@Randall you are showing a counter example for the converse, not the question itself, in your case it should be congruent to 0 mod m*a = 12 first, then to check for m = 3
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:41
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Then the answer is obviously "yes" to your new question since $m$ divides $ma$ no matter what. That's the second paragraph of my answer.
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Jan 15 at 18:45
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$a not mid a^2 -1$ unless $a =pm 1$. So $ma|a^2 -1$ can only happen if $a = pm 1$. So $a^2 - 1equiv 0 pmod {am}$ can not happen unless $a = 1$
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$a^{2} - 1 equiv 0pmod{mcdot a}$ same as $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{m}$?
Given that $a$ and $m$ are relatively prime, is it possible for the above equation to hold true? My rational behind this is the following:
Because $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{mcdot a}$, this implies that $mcdot amid left(a^{2} - 1right)$, which implies $a^{2} - 1 = lcdot mcdot a, l in mathbb Z$
Is it wrong to then say that: let $t = lcdot a, t in mathbb Z$. Hence, we have $a^{2} - 1 = tcdot m$, thus implying that $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod {m}$
Note that $a$ is a positive integer in this case
EDIT: What I meant to ask was does $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{mcdot a}$ imply $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{m}$?
elementary-number-theory proof-verification modular-arithmetic
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$a^{2} - 1 equiv 0pmod{mcdot a}$ same as $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{m}$?
Given that $a$ and $m$ are relatively prime, is it possible for the above equation to hold true? My rational behind this is the following:
Because $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{mcdot a}$, this implies that $mcdot amid left(a^{2} - 1right)$, which implies $a^{2} - 1 = lcdot mcdot a, l in mathbb Z$
Is it wrong to then say that: let $t = lcdot a, t in mathbb Z$. Hence, we have $a^{2} - 1 = tcdot m$, thus implying that $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod {m}$
Note that $a$ is a positive integer in this case
EDIT: What I meant to ask was does $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{mcdot a}$ imply $a^{2} - 1 equiv 0 pmod{m}$?
elementary-number-theory proof-verification modular-arithmetic
elementary-number-theory proof-verification modular-arithmetic
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Of course. What you say means $a= pm 1$. Indeed, $ammid a^2-1$, and thus, $amid a^2-1$. Hence, $a=pm 1$. This gives, the initial condition is equivalent to $mmid a^2-1$, precisely what you have wanted. Note that, you don't need the coprimeness of $a$ and $m$.
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– Aaron
Jan 15 at 18:29
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Does it? With $a=4$ and $m=3$ we have $15 equiv 0 bmod 3$. Yet, $15$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 12$.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:34
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@Randall you are showing a counter example for the converse, not the question itself, in your case it should be congruent to 0 mod m*a = 12 first, then to check for m = 3
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:41
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Then the answer is obviously "yes" to your new question since $m$ divides $ma$ no matter what. That's the second paragraph of my answer.
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Jan 15 at 18:45
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$a not mid a^2 -1$ unless $a =pm 1$. So $ma|a^2 -1$ can only happen if $a = pm 1$. So $a^2 - 1equiv 0 pmod {am}$ can not happen unless $a = 1$
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Of course. What you say means $a= pm 1$. Indeed, $ammid a^2-1$, and thus, $amid a^2-1$. Hence, $a=pm 1$. This gives, the initial condition is equivalent to $mmid a^2-1$, precisely what you have wanted. Note that, you don't need the coprimeness of $a$ and $m$.
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– Aaron
Jan 15 at 18:29
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Does it? With $a=4$ and $m=3$ we have $15 equiv 0 bmod 3$. Yet, $15$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 12$.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:34
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@Randall you are showing a counter example for the converse, not the question itself, in your case it should be congruent to 0 mod m*a = 12 first, then to check for m = 3
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:41
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Then the answer is obviously "yes" to your new question since $m$ divides $ma$ no matter what. That's the second paragraph of my answer.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:45
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$a not mid a^2 -1$ unless $a =pm 1$. So $ma|a^2 -1$ can only happen if $a = pm 1$. So $a^2 - 1equiv 0 pmod {am}$ can not happen unless $a = 1$
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– fleablood
Jan 15 at 22:45
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Of course. What you say means $a= pm 1$. Indeed, $ammid a^2-1$, and thus, $amid a^2-1$. Hence, $a=pm 1$. This gives, the initial condition is equivalent to $mmid a^2-1$, precisely what you have wanted. Note that, you don't need the coprimeness of $a$ and $m$.
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– Aaron
Jan 15 at 18:29
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Of course. What you say means $a= pm 1$. Indeed, $ammid a^2-1$, and thus, $amid a^2-1$. Hence, $a=pm 1$. This gives, the initial condition is equivalent to $mmid a^2-1$, precisely what you have wanted. Note that, you don't need the coprimeness of $a$ and $m$.
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– Aaron
Jan 15 at 18:29
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Does it? With $a=4$ and $m=3$ we have $15 equiv 0 bmod 3$. Yet, $15$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 12$.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:34
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Does it? With $a=4$ and $m=3$ we have $15 equiv 0 bmod 3$. Yet, $15$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 12$.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:34
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@Randall you are showing a counter example for the converse, not the question itself, in your case it should be congruent to 0 mod m*a = 12 first, then to check for m = 3
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:41
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@Randall you are showing a counter example for the converse, not the question itself, in your case it should be congruent to 0 mod m*a = 12 first, then to check for m = 3
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:41
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Then the answer is obviously "yes" to your new question since $m$ divides $ma$ no matter what. That's the second paragraph of my answer.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:45
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Then the answer is obviously "yes" to your new question since $m$ divides $ma$ no matter what. That's the second paragraph of my answer.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:45
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$a not mid a^2 -1$ unless $a =pm 1$. So $ma|a^2 -1$ can only happen if $a = pm 1$. So $a^2 - 1equiv 0 pmod {am}$ can not happen unless $a = 1$
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– fleablood
Jan 15 at 22:45
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$a not mid a^2 -1$ unless $a =pm 1$. So $ma|a^2 -1$ can only happen if $a = pm 1$. So $a^2 - 1equiv 0 pmod {am}$ can not happen unless $a = 1$
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It is not the same: it only goes in one direction. Yes, it is possible they are both true, but not a universal certainty. And, I don't think it has much to do with $a^2-1$.
If $x equiv 0 bmod ma$ then $ma mid x$. Since clearly $m mid ma$ we have $m mid x$ and so $x equiv 0 bmod m$. For your case, let $x=a^2-1$, but this really doesn't matter: it's still true.
The other direction may be false. For instance $10 equiv 0 bmod 5$ but $10$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 15$. Or, take my example from my comment with $a=4$ and $m=3$: $15equiv 0 bmod 3$ yet $15$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 12$.
Edit: I've interpreted your question "are they the same" as asking "is there an if and only if in between."
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Could you take another look at the question? I made an edit (Something I wish I specified at the start). Is this the one direction it goes?
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:45
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Doesn't this exactly answer it? The $a^2-1$ part doesn't even matter, it's just the fact that $m$ divides $ma$.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:46
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Thank you, Randall!
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:47
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It's really just transitivity of the "divides" relation.
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This statement is not biconditional.
To be precise,
if $a^2-1equiv 0mod (m*a)$, then $a^2-1equiv 0mod a$ .
if $a^2-1equiv 0mod (a)$, then it is not always true that $a^2-1equiv 0mod (m*a)$.
Your logic is correct, however some constraints may be removed. More generally, $m$ and $a$ do not have to be coprime,it does not have to be a, and the exponent can be any integer $n$, not just $2$.
A more general statement is as follows:
If $a^n-1equiv 0mod N$, then $a^n-1equiv 0mod f$, for every factor $f$ of $N$.
Proof. We can see that $N|a^n-1$. Therefore all of its factors must too. $f|a^n-1Longleftrightarrow a^n-1equiv 0mod f$.
I suggest looking into the concept of multiplicative order for a more thorough understanding.
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Of course $,mamid a^2-1 ,Rightarrow, mmid a^2-1,$ is always true, $ $ by $ (ma)n = m(an)$.
The converse is true $iff m = 0.,$ For if $,m=0,$ both become sides are identical: $,0mid a^2-1$.
And if $,mneq 0,$ then the RHS: $,mmid a^2-1,$ holds for $,a = 1+km equiv 1pmod{!m}.,$
But the LHS $,Rightarrow, amid a^2-1,Rightarrow, amid 1,,$ falsified by choosing $,k,$ so $,a = 1+km > 1.$
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$a^2 -1 pmod {ma} implies ma|a^2 - 1 implies m|a^2-1$ so that one direction always holds if it ever holds.
However $ma|a^2 - 1 implies exists k: a^2 - 1 = mak$ so $ a -frac 1a =mkin mathbb Z$ which implies $a equiv pm 1$ so $a^2 - 1 pmod {ma}$ only if $a = pm 1$.
So, yes, IF $a^2 -1 pmod {ma}$ then $a^2 -1 pmod m$. BUT $a^2 - 1 pmod{ma}$ only when $a = pm 1$.
The other way:
$a^2 -1 equiv pmod m implies a^2 - 1equiv km pmod {am}$ for some integer $k: 0le k< m$ (and chinese remainder theorem says that such a $k$ is unique) but there is no reason to assume $k =0$ (and lots of reason to assume it isn't).
So so any $a^2 -1 pmod {m}$ where $anot equiv pm 1 pmod m$ will be a counter example.
Fo instance $5^2 -1 equiv 0 pmod {24}$ and $gcd(a,5) = 1$ but $5^2 -1 not equiv 0 pmod {5*24 = 120}$
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It is not the same: it only goes in one direction. Yes, it is possible they are both true, but not a universal certainty. And, I don't think it has much to do with $a^2-1$.
If $x equiv 0 bmod ma$ then $ma mid x$. Since clearly $m mid ma$ we have $m mid x$ and so $x equiv 0 bmod m$. For your case, let $x=a^2-1$, but this really doesn't matter: it's still true.
The other direction may be false. For instance $10 equiv 0 bmod 5$ but $10$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 15$. Or, take my example from my comment with $a=4$ and $m=3$: $15equiv 0 bmod 3$ yet $15$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 12$.
Edit: I've interpreted your question "are they the same" as asking "is there an if and only if in between."
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Could you take another look at the question? I made an edit (Something I wish I specified at the start). Is this the one direction it goes?
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:45
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Doesn't this exactly answer it? The $a^2-1$ part doesn't even matter, it's just the fact that $m$ divides $ma$.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:46
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Thank you, Randall!
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:47
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It's really just transitivity of the "divides" relation.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:47
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It is not the same: it only goes in one direction. Yes, it is possible they are both true, but not a universal certainty. And, I don't think it has much to do with $a^2-1$.
If $x equiv 0 bmod ma$ then $ma mid x$. Since clearly $m mid ma$ we have $m mid x$ and so $x equiv 0 bmod m$. For your case, let $x=a^2-1$, but this really doesn't matter: it's still true.
The other direction may be false. For instance $10 equiv 0 bmod 5$ but $10$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 15$. Or, take my example from my comment with $a=4$ and $m=3$: $15equiv 0 bmod 3$ yet $15$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 12$.
Edit: I've interpreted your question "are they the same" as asking "is there an if and only if in between."
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Could you take another look at the question? I made an edit (Something I wish I specified at the start). Is this the one direction it goes?
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:45
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Doesn't this exactly answer it? The $a^2-1$ part doesn't even matter, it's just the fact that $m$ divides $ma$.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:46
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Thank you, Randall!
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:47
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It's really just transitivity of the "divides" relation.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:47
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It is not the same: it only goes in one direction. Yes, it is possible they are both true, but not a universal certainty. And, I don't think it has much to do with $a^2-1$.
If $x equiv 0 bmod ma$ then $ma mid x$. Since clearly $m mid ma$ we have $m mid x$ and so $x equiv 0 bmod m$. For your case, let $x=a^2-1$, but this really doesn't matter: it's still true.
The other direction may be false. For instance $10 equiv 0 bmod 5$ but $10$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 15$. Or, take my example from my comment with $a=4$ and $m=3$: $15equiv 0 bmod 3$ yet $15$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 12$.
Edit: I've interpreted your question "are they the same" as asking "is there an if and only if in between."
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It is not the same: it only goes in one direction. Yes, it is possible they are both true, but not a universal certainty. And, I don't think it has much to do with $a^2-1$.
If $x equiv 0 bmod ma$ then $ma mid x$. Since clearly $m mid ma$ we have $m mid x$ and so $x equiv 0 bmod m$. For your case, let $x=a^2-1$, but this really doesn't matter: it's still true.
The other direction may be false. For instance $10 equiv 0 bmod 5$ but $10$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 15$. Or, take my example from my comment with $a=4$ and $m=3$: $15equiv 0 bmod 3$ yet $15$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 12$.
Edit: I've interpreted your question "are they the same" as asking "is there an if and only if in between."
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Could you take another look at the question? I made an edit (Something I wish I specified at the start). Is this the one direction it goes?
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:45
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Doesn't this exactly answer it? The $a^2-1$ part doesn't even matter, it's just the fact that $m$ divides $ma$.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:46
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Thank you, Randall!
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:47
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It's really just transitivity of the "divides" relation.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:47
add a comment |
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Could you take another look at the question? I made an edit (Something I wish I specified at the start). Is this the one direction it goes?
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:45
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Doesn't this exactly answer it? The $a^2-1$ part doesn't even matter, it's just the fact that $m$ divides $ma$.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:46
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Thank you, Randall!
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:47
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It's really just transitivity of the "divides" relation.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:47
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Could you take another look at the question? I made an edit (Something I wish I specified at the start). Is this the one direction it goes?
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:45
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Could you take another look at the question? I made an edit (Something I wish I specified at the start). Is this the one direction it goes?
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:45
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Doesn't this exactly answer it? The $a^2-1$ part doesn't even matter, it's just the fact that $m$ divides $ma$.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:46
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Doesn't this exactly answer it? The $a^2-1$ part doesn't even matter, it's just the fact that $m$ divides $ma$.
$endgroup$
– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:46
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Thank you, Randall!
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:47
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Thank you, Randall!
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– Wallace
Jan 15 at 18:47
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It's really just transitivity of the "divides" relation.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:47
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It's really just transitivity of the "divides" relation.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:47
add a comment |
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This statement is not biconditional.
To be precise,
if $a^2-1equiv 0mod (m*a)$, then $a^2-1equiv 0mod a$ .
if $a^2-1equiv 0mod (a)$, then it is not always true that $a^2-1equiv 0mod (m*a)$.
Your logic is correct, however some constraints may be removed. More generally, $m$ and $a$ do not have to be coprime,it does not have to be a, and the exponent can be any integer $n$, not just $2$.
A more general statement is as follows:
If $a^n-1equiv 0mod N$, then $a^n-1equiv 0mod f$, for every factor $f$ of $N$.
Proof. We can see that $N|a^n-1$. Therefore all of its factors must too. $f|a^n-1Longleftrightarrow a^n-1equiv 0mod f$.
I suggest looking into the concept of multiplicative order for a more thorough understanding.
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This statement is not biconditional.
To be precise,
if $a^2-1equiv 0mod (m*a)$, then $a^2-1equiv 0mod a$ .
if $a^2-1equiv 0mod (a)$, then it is not always true that $a^2-1equiv 0mod (m*a)$.
Your logic is correct, however some constraints may be removed. More generally, $m$ and $a$ do not have to be coprime,it does not have to be a, and the exponent can be any integer $n$, not just $2$.
A more general statement is as follows:
If $a^n-1equiv 0mod N$, then $a^n-1equiv 0mod f$, for every factor $f$ of $N$.
Proof. We can see that $N|a^n-1$. Therefore all of its factors must too. $f|a^n-1Longleftrightarrow a^n-1equiv 0mod f$.
I suggest looking into the concept of multiplicative order for a more thorough understanding.
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This statement is not biconditional.
To be precise,
if $a^2-1equiv 0mod (m*a)$, then $a^2-1equiv 0mod a$ .
if $a^2-1equiv 0mod (a)$, then it is not always true that $a^2-1equiv 0mod (m*a)$.
Your logic is correct, however some constraints may be removed. More generally, $m$ and $a$ do not have to be coprime,it does not have to be a, and the exponent can be any integer $n$, not just $2$.
A more general statement is as follows:
If $a^n-1equiv 0mod N$, then $a^n-1equiv 0mod f$, for every factor $f$ of $N$.
Proof. We can see that $N|a^n-1$. Therefore all of its factors must too. $f|a^n-1Longleftrightarrow a^n-1equiv 0mod f$.
I suggest looking into the concept of multiplicative order for a more thorough understanding.
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This statement is not biconditional.
To be precise,
if $a^2-1equiv 0mod (m*a)$, then $a^2-1equiv 0mod a$ .
if $a^2-1equiv 0mod (a)$, then it is not always true that $a^2-1equiv 0mod (m*a)$.
Your logic is correct, however some constraints may be removed. More generally, $m$ and $a$ do not have to be coprime,it does not have to be a, and the exponent can be any integer $n$, not just $2$.
A more general statement is as follows:
If $a^n-1equiv 0mod N$, then $a^n-1equiv 0mod f$, for every factor $f$ of $N$.
Proof. We can see that $N|a^n-1$. Therefore all of its factors must too. $f|a^n-1Longleftrightarrow a^n-1equiv 0mod f$.
I suggest looking into the concept of multiplicative order for a more thorough understanding.
answered Jan 15 at 18:40
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Of course $,mamid a^2-1 ,Rightarrow, mmid a^2-1,$ is always true, $ $ by $ (ma)n = m(an)$.
The converse is true $iff m = 0.,$ For if $,m=0,$ both become sides are identical: $,0mid a^2-1$.
And if $,mneq 0,$ then the RHS: $,mmid a^2-1,$ holds for $,a = 1+km equiv 1pmod{!m}.,$
But the LHS $,Rightarrow, amid a^2-1,Rightarrow, amid 1,,$ falsified by choosing $,k,$ so $,a = 1+km > 1.$
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Of course $,mamid a^2-1 ,Rightarrow, mmid a^2-1,$ is always true, $ $ by $ (ma)n = m(an)$.
The converse is true $iff m = 0.,$ For if $,m=0,$ both become sides are identical: $,0mid a^2-1$.
And if $,mneq 0,$ then the RHS: $,mmid a^2-1,$ holds for $,a = 1+km equiv 1pmod{!m}.,$
But the LHS $,Rightarrow, amid a^2-1,Rightarrow, amid 1,,$ falsified by choosing $,k,$ so $,a = 1+km > 1.$
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Of course $,mamid a^2-1 ,Rightarrow, mmid a^2-1,$ is always true, $ $ by $ (ma)n = m(an)$.
The converse is true $iff m = 0.,$ For if $,m=0,$ both become sides are identical: $,0mid a^2-1$.
And if $,mneq 0,$ then the RHS: $,mmid a^2-1,$ holds for $,a = 1+km equiv 1pmod{!m}.,$
But the LHS $,Rightarrow, amid a^2-1,Rightarrow, amid 1,,$ falsified by choosing $,k,$ so $,a = 1+km > 1.$
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Of course $,mamid a^2-1 ,Rightarrow, mmid a^2-1,$ is always true, $ $ by $ (ma)n = m(an)$.
The converse is true $iff m = 0.,$ For if $,m=0,$ both become sides are identical: $,0mid a^2-1$.
And if $,mneq 0,$ then the RHS: $,mmid a^2-1,$ holds for $,a = 1+km equiv 1pmod{!m}.,$
But the LHS $,Rightarrow, amid a^2-1,Rightarrow, amid 1,,$ falsified by choosing $,k,$ so $,a = 1+km > 1.$
answered Jan 15 at 19:39
Bill DubuqueBill Dubuque
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$a^2 -1 pmod {ma} implies ma|a^2 - 1 implies m|a^2-1$ so that one direction always holds if it ever holds.
However $ma|a^2 - 1 implies exists k: a^2 - 1 = mak$ so $ a -frac 1a =mkin mathbb Z$ which implies $a equiv pm 1$ so $a^2 - 1 pmod {ma}$ only if $a = pm 1$.
So, yes, IF $a^2 -1 pmod {ma}$ then $a^2 -1 pmod m$. BUT $a^2 - 1 pmod{ma}$ only when $a = pm 1$.
The other way:
$a^2 -1 equiv pmod m implies a^2 - 1equiv km pmod {am}$ for some integer $k: 0le k< m$ (and chinese remainder theorem says that such a $k$ is unique) but there is no reason to assume $k =0$ (and lots of reason to assume it isn't).
So so any $a^2 -1 pmod {m}$ where $anot equiv pm 1 pmod m$ will be a counter example.
Fo instance $5^2 -1 equiv 0 pmod {24}$ and $gcd(a,5) = 1$ but $5^2 -1 not equiv 0 pmod {5*24 = 120}$
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$a^2 -1 pmod {ma} implies ma|a^2 - 1 implies m|a^2-1$ so that one direction always holds if it ever holds.
However $ma|a^2 - 1 implies exists k: a^2 - 1 = mak$ so $ a -frac 1a =mkin mathbb Z$ which implies $a equiv pm 1$ so $a^2 - 1 pmod {ma}$ only if $a = pm 1$.
So, yes, IF $a^2 -1 pmod {ma}$ then $a^2 -1 pmod m$. BUT $a^2 - 1 pmod{ma}$ only when $a = pm 1$.
The other way:
$a^2 -1 equiv pmod m implies a^2 - 1equiv km pmod {am}$ for some integer $k: 0le k< m$ (and chinese remainder theorem says that such a $k$ is unique) but there is no reason to assume $k =0$ (and lots of reason to assume it isn't).
So so any $a^2 -1 pmod {m}$ where $anot equiv pm 1 pmod m$ will be a counter example.
Fo instance $5^2 -1 equiv 0 pmod {24}$ and $gcd(a,5) = 1$ but $5^2 -1 not equiv 0 pmod {5*24 = 120}$
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$a^2 -1 pmod {ma} implies ma|a^2 - 1 implies m|a^2-1$ so that one direction always holds if it ever holds.
However $ma|a^2 - 1 implies exists k: a^2 - 1 = mak$ so $ a -frac 1a =mkin mathbb Z$ which implies $a equiv pm 1$ so $a^2 - 1 pmod {ma}$ only if $a = pm 1$.
So, yes, IF $a^2 -1 pmod {ma}$ then $a^2 -1 pmod m$. BUT $a^2 - 1 pmod{ma}$ only when $a = pm 1$.
The other way:
$a^2 -1 equiv pmod m implies a^2 - 1equiv km pmod {am}$ for some integer $k: 0le k< m$ (and chinese remainder theorem says that such a $k$ is unique) but there is no reason to assume $k =0$ (and lots of reason to assume it isn't).
So so any $a^2 -1 pmod {m}$ where $anot equiv pm 1 pmod m$ will be a counter example.
Fo instance $5^2 -1 equiv 0 pmod {24}$ and $gcd(a,5) = 1$ but $5^2 -1 not equiv 0 pmod {5*24 = 120}$
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$a^2 -1 pmod {ma} implies ma|a^2 - 1 implies m|a^2-1$ so that one direction always holds if it ever holds.
However $ma|a^2 - 1 implies exists k: a^2 - 1 = mak$ so $ a -frac 1a =mkin mathbb Z$ which implies $a equiv pm 1$ so $a^2 - 1 pmod {ma}$ only if $a = pm 1$.
So, yes, IF $a^2 -1 pmod {ma}$ then $a^2 -1 pmod m$. BUT $a^2 - 1 pmod{ma}$ only when $a = pm 1$.
The other way:
$a^2 -1 equiv pmod m implies a^2 - 1equiv km pmod {am}$ for some integer $k: 0le k< m$ (and chinese remainder theorem says that such a $k$ is unique) but there is no reason to assume $k =0$ (and lots of reason to assume it isn't).
So so any $a^2 -1 pmod {m}$ where $anot equiv pm 1 pmod m$ will be a counter example.
Fo instance $5^2 -1 equiv 0 pmod {24}$ and $gcd(a,5) = 1$ but $5^2 -1 not equiv 0 pmod {5*24 = 120}$
answered Jan 15 at 22:38
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Of course. What you say means $a= pm 1$. Indeed, $ammid a^2-1$, and thus, $amid a^2-1$. Hence, $a=pm 1$. This gives, the initial condition is equivalent to $mmid a^2-1$, precisely what you have wanted. Note that, you don't need the coprimeness of $a$ and $m$.
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– Aaron
Jan 15 at 18:29
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Does it? With $a=4$ and $m=3$ we have $15 equiv 0 bmod 3$. Yet, $15$ is not congruent to $0 bmod 12$.
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– Randall
Jan 15 at 18:34
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@Randall you are showing a counter example for the converse, not the question itself, in your case it should be congruent to 0 mod m*a = 12 first, then to check for m = 3
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– Wallace
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Then the answer is obviously "yes" to your new question since $m$ divides $ma$ no matter what. That's the second paragraph of my answer.
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Jan 15 at 18:45
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$a not mid a^2 -1$ unless $a =pm 1$. So $ma|a^2 -1$ can only happen if $a = pm 1$. So $a^2 - 1equiv 0 pmod {am}$ can not happen unless $a = 1$
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