Let $X$ and $Y$ be set, then $|X|le |Y|$ or $|Y|le|X|.$












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Theorem. Let $X$ and $Y$ be set, then $|X|le |Y|$ or $|Y|le|X|.$




Proof. We consider the family $$mathcal{F}=left{(A,f);middle |; Asubset X,;fcolon Ato Y;text{injective}right}.$$
We define a order relation on $mathcal{F}$ in the follow way
$$(A,f)le(B,g)quadtext{if and only if}quad Asubseteq B;text{and};g_{|A}=f.$$




Question 1. Why does $A$ have to be a proper subset of $X$?




Let $$C={(A_i,f_i),; iin I}$$
a chain in $mathcal{F}$. This means that if $i,jin I$, then $A_isubseteq A_j$ $big(f_{j|A_i}=f_ibig)$ or $A_jsubseteq A_i$ $big(f_{i|A_i}=f_jbig).$



We observe that if $ain A_i$ and $bin A_j$, then $a, bin A_j$ if $A_isubseteq A_j$ or $a,bin A_i$ if $A_jsubseteq A_i.$ We consider
$$A:=bigcup_{iin I} A_i,$$
and we define $fcolon Ato Y$ such that $f(a):=f_i(a)$ if $ain A_i.$ We observe that the application $f$ is well defined. In fact if $ain A_icap A_j$, then $ain A_i$ and $ain A_j$, therefore $f(a):=f_i(a)$ and $f(a):=f_j(a)$, however we can suppose that $A_isubseteq A_j$, then
$$f(a):=f_{j}(a)=f_{j|A_i}(a)=f_i(a).$$
Moreover $f$ is injective: let $a,bin A$ with $f(a)=f(b)$, then for what they said before they belong to the same $A_i$ for same $iin I$, thus
$$f_i(a)=f(a)=f(b)=f_i(b),$$
then $$f_i(a)=f_i(b),$$
therefore $a=b$ because $f_i$ is injective. We have proved that $(A,f)inmathcal{F}.$. Now, for definition $A$ is an upper bound of $mathcal{F}$, then by Zorn's Lemma $mathcal{F}$ admtis maximal elements. Let $(S,f)inmathcal{F}$ such that $Ane X$ and $f(S)ne Y$




Question 2 Why do we need to take $Sne X$ and $f(S)ne Y$?




We take $x_0in Xsetminus S$ and $y_0in Ysetminus f(S)$, we can exstends $f$ to $Scup {x_0}$ defining $f(x_0):=y_0.$ Therefore, if $(S,f)$ is maximal in $mathcal{F}$, then $S=X$ or $f(S)=Y$.




Question 3. Why if $(S,f)$ is maximal in $mathcal{F}$, then $S=X$ or $f(S)=Y?$




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Theorem. Let $X$ and $Y$ be set, then $|X|le |Y|$ or $|Y|le|X|.$




Proof. We consider the family $$mathcal{F}=left{(A,f);middle |; Asubset X,;fcolon Ato Y;text{injective}right}.$$
We define a order relation on $mathcal{F}$ in the follow way
$$(A,f)le(B,g)quadtext{if and only if}quad Asubseteq B;text{and};g_{|A}=f.$$




Question 1. Why does $A$ have to be a proper subset of $X$?




Let $$C={(A_i,f_i),; iin I}$$
a chain in $mathcal{F}$. This means that if $i,jin I$, then $A_isubseteq A_j$ $big(f_{j|A_i}=f_ibig)$ or $A_jsubseteq A_i$ $big(f_{i|A_i}=f_jbig).$



We observe that if $ain A_i$ and $bin A_j$, then $a, bin A_j$ if $A_isubseteq A_j$ or $a,bin A_i$ if $A_jsubseteq A_i.$ We consider
$$A:=bigcup_{iin I} A_i,$$
and we define $fcolon Ato Y$ such that $f(a):=f_i(a)$ if $ain A_i.$ We observe that the application $f$ is well defined. In fact if $ain A_icap A_j$, then $ain A_i$ and $ain A_j$, therefore $f(a):=f_i(a)$ and $f(a):=f_j(a)$, however we can suppose that $A_isubseteq A_j$, then
$$f(a):=f_{j}(a)=f_{j|A_i}(a)=f_i(a).$$
Moreover $f$ is injective: let $a,bin A$ with $f(a)=f(b)$, then for what they said before they belong to the same $A_i$ for same $iin I$, thus
$$f_i(a)=f(a)=f(b)=f_i(b),$$
then $$f_i(a)=f_i(b),$$
therefore $a=b$ because $f_i$ is injective. We have proved that $(A,f)inmathcal{F}.$. Now, for definition $A$ is an upper bound of $mathcal{F}$, then by Zorn's Lemma $mathcal{F}$ admtis maximal elements. Let $(S,f)inmathcal{F}$ such that $Ane X$ and $f(S)ne Y$




Question 2 Why do we need to take $Sne X$ and $f(S)ne Y$?




We take $x_0in Xsetminus S$ and $y_0in Ysetminus f(S)$, we can exstends $f$ to $Scup {x_0}$ defining $f(x_0):=y_0.$ Therefore, if $(S,f)$ is maximal in $mathcal{F}$, then $S=X$ or $f(S)=Y$.




Question 3. Why if $(S,f)$ is maximal in $mathcal{F}$, then $S=X$ or $f(S)=Y?$




Thanks for patience!










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    Proof explanation question! Sorry.
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    Then why is this tagged as proof verification and proof writing?
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    I just corrected.
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Theorem. Let $X$ and $Y$ be set, then $|X|le |Y|$ or $|Y|le|X|.$




Proof. We consider the family $$mathcal{F}=left{(A,f);middle |; Asubset X,;fcolon Ato Y;text{injective}right}.$$
We define a order relation on $mathcal{F}$ in the follow way
$$(A,f)le(B,g)quadtext{if and only if}quad Asubseteq B;text{and};g_{|A}=f.$$




Question 1. Why does $A$ have to be a proper subset of $X$?




Let $$C={(A_i,f_i),; iin I}$$
a chain in $mathcal{F}$. This means that if $i,jin I$, then $A_isubseteq A_j$ $big(f_{j|A_i}=f_ibig)$ or $A_jsubseteq A_i$ $big(f_{i|A_i}=f_jbig).$



We observe that if $ain A_i$ and $bin A_j$, then $a, bin A_j$ if $A_isubseteq A_j$ or $a,bin A_i$ if $A_jsubseteq A_i.$ We consider
$$A:=bigcup_{iin I} A_i,$$
and we define $fcolon Ato Y$ such that $f(a):=f_i(a)$ if $ain A_i.$ We observe that the application $f$ is well defined. In fact if $ain A_icap A_j$, then $ain A_i$ and $ain A_j$, therefore $f(a):=f_i(a)$ and $f(a):=f_j(a)$, however we can suppose that $A_isubseteq A_j$, then
$$f(a):=f_{j}(a)=f_{j|A_i}(a)=f_i(a).$$
Moreover $f$ is injective: let $a,bin A$ with $f(a)=f(b)$, then for what they said before they belong to the same $A_i$ for same $iin I$, thus
$$f_i(a)=f(a)=f(b)=f_i(b),$$
then $$f_i(a)=f_i(b),$$
therefore $a=b$ because $f_i$ is injective. We have proved that $(A,f)inmathcal{F}.$. Now, for definition $A$ is an upper bound of $mathcal{F}$, then by Zorn's Lemma $mathcal{F}$ admtis maximal elements. Let $(S,f)inmathcal{F}$ such that $Ane X$ and $f(S)ne Y$




Question 2 Why do we need to take $Sne X$ and $f(S)ne Y$?




We take $x_0in Xsetminus S$ and $y_0in Ysetminus f(S)$, we can exstends $f$ to $Scup {x_0}$ defining $f(x_0):=y_0.$ Therefore, if $(S,f)$ is maximal in $mathcal{F}$, then $S=X$ or $f(S)=Y$.




Question 3. Why if $(S,f)$ is maximal in $mathcal{F}$, then $S=X$ or $f(S)=Y?$




Thanks for patience!










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Theorem. Let $X$ and $Y$ be set, then $|X|le |Y|$ or $|Y|le|X|.$




Proof. We consider the family $$mathcal{F}=left{(A,f);middle |; Asubset X,;fcolon Ato Y;text{injective}right}.$$
We define a order relation on $mathcal{F}$ in the follow way
$$(A,f)le(B,g)quadtext{if and only if}quad Asubseteq B;text{and};g_{|A}=f.$$




Question 1. Why does $A$ have to be a proper subset of $X$?




Let $$C={(A_i,f_i),; iin I}$$
a chain in $mathcal{F}$. This means that if $i,jin I$, then $A_isubseteq A_j$ $big(f_{j|A_i}=f_ibig)$ or $A_jsubseteq A_i$ $big(f_{i|A_i}=f_jbig).$



We observe that if $ain A_i$ and $bin A_j$, then $a, bin A_j$ if $A_isubseteq A_j$ or $a,bin A_i$ if $A_jsubseteq A_i.$ We consider
$$A:=bigcup_{iin I} A_i,$$
and we define $fcolon Ato Y$ such that $f(a):=f_i(a)$ if $ain A_i.$ We observe that the application $f$ is well defined. In fact if $ain A_icap A_j$, then $ain A_i$ and $ain A_j$, therefore $f(a):=f_i(a)$ and $f(a):=f_j(a)$, however we can suppose that $A_isubseteq A_j$, then
$$f(a):=f_{j}(a)=f_{j|A_i}(a)=f_i(a).$$
Moreover $f$ is injective: let $a,bin A$ with $f(a)=f(b)$, then for what they said before they belong to the same $A_i$ for same $iin I$, thus
$$f_i(a)=f(a)=f(b)=f_i(b),$$
then $$f_i(a)=f_i(b),$$
therefore $a=b$ because $f_i$ is injective. We have proved that $(A,f)inmathcal{F}.$. Now, for definition $A$ is an upper bound of $mathcal{F}$, then by Zorn's Lemma $mathcal{F}$ admtis maximal elements. Let $(S,f)inmathcal{F}$ such that $Ane X$ and $f(S)ne Y$




Question 2 Why do we need to take $Sne X$ and $f(S)ne Y$?




We take $x_0in Xsetminus S$ and $y_0in Ysetminus f(S)$, we can exstends $f$ to $Scup {x_0}$ defining $f(x_0):=y_0.$ Therefore, if $(S,f)$ is maximal in $mathcal{F}$, then $S=X$ or $f(S)=Y$.




Question 3. Why if $(S,f)$ is maximal in $mathcal{F}$, then $S=X$ or $f(S)=Y?$




Thanks for patience!







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    Then why is this tagged as proof verification and proof writing?
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    I just corrected.
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    I think you have a typo there with $S$ and $f(S)$, both of which should have $A$ and $f(A)$ respectively.
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    Is this a proof verification question or a proof explanation question? Also, note that $subset$ is used by some authors as $subseteq$ would be used by others.
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    Jan 12 at 17:45










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    Proof explanation question! Sorry.
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    Then why is this tagged as proof verification and proof writing?
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    – Asaf Karagila
    Jan 12 at 17:46












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    I just corrected.
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  • $begingroup$
    I think you have a typo there with $S$ and $f(S)$, both of which should have $A$ and $f(A)$ respectively.
    $endgroup$
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$begingroup$
Is this a proof verification question or a proof explanation question? Also, note that $subset$ is used by some authors as $subseteq$ would be used by others.
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– Asaf Karagila
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$begingroup$
Is this a proof verification question or a proof explanation question? Also, note that $subset$ is used by some authors as $subseteq$ would be used by others.
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Jan 12 at 17:45












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Proof explanation question! Sorry.
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Proof explanation question! Sorry.
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Then why is this tagged as proof verification and proof writing?
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Then why is this tagged as proof verification and proof writing?
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I just corrected.
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I just corrected.
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For the first question, this is a notational issue. Since you do not cite the source of the proof I can't give you an exact answer. However, the only way this makes sense is if $subset$ does not indicate proper subsets. Since this is something that some authors do, I'm inclined to believe this is the case here as well.



For the second and third questions, we don't need to take $A$ and $f(A)$ that way. We want to show that if $A$ is not $X$ and $f(A)$ is not $Y$, then $(A,f)$ is not a maximal element in the partial order. In particular, a maximal element—if it exists—must have either $A=X$ or $f(A)=Y$.



But finally, by Zorn's lemma, such maximal element does exist. So we are done.






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    Question 3: if both A $subsetneq$ X and f(A) $subsetneq$ Y, then the construction made a few lines above would be possible, thus extending ($A, f$) and getting to a contradiction (since ($A, f$) is maximal). I believe that the assumptions on which you have doubts (those of Question 2) are exactly those needed to extend a generic element ($S, f$).






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      For the first question, this is a notational issue. Since you do not cite the source of the proof I can't give you an exact answer. However, the only way this makes sense is if $subset$ does not indicate proper subsets. Since this is something that some authors do, I'm inclined to believe this is the case here as well.



      For the second and third questions, we don't need to take $A$ and $f(A)$ that way. We want to show that if $A$ is not $X$ and $f(A)$ is not $Y$, then $(A,f)$ is not a maximal element in the partial order. In particular, a maximal element—if it exists—must have either $A=X$ or $f(A)=Y$.



      But finally, by Zorn's lemma, such maximal element does exist. So we are done.






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        For the first question, this is a notational issue. Since you do not cite the source of the proof I can't give you an exact answer. However, the only way this makes sense is if $subset$ does not indicate proper subsets. Since this is something that some authors do, I'm inclined to believe this is the case here as well.



        For the second and third questions, we don't need to take $A$ and $f(A)$ that way. We want to show that if $A$ is not $X$ and $f(A)$ is not $Y$, then $(A,f)$ is not a maximal element in the partial order. In particular, a maximal element—if it exists—must have either $A=X$ or $f(A)=Y$.



        But finally, by Zorn's lemma, such maximal element does exist. So we are done.






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          For the first question, this is a notational issue. Since you do not cite the source of the proof I can't give you an exact answer. However, the only way this makes sense is if $subset$ does not indicate proper subsets. Since this is something that some authors do, I'm inclined to believe this is the case here as well.



          For the second and third questions, we don't need to take $A$ and $f(A)$ that way. We want to show that if $A$ is not $X$ and $f(A)$ is not $Y$, then $(A,f)$ is not a maximal element in the partial order. In particular, a maximal element—if it exists—must have either $A=X$ or $f(A)=Y$.



          But finally, by Zorn's lemma, such maximal element does exist. So we are done.






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          For the first question, this is a notational issue. Since you do not cite the source of the proof I can't give you an exact answer. However, the only way this makes sense is if $subset$ does not indicate proper subsets. Since this is something that some authors do, I'm inclined to believe this is the case here as well.



          For the second and third questions, we don't need to take $A$ and $f(A)$ that way. We want to show that if $A$ is not $X$ and $f(A)$ is not $Y$, then $(A,f)$ is not a maximal element in the partial order. In particular, a maximal element—if it exists—must have either $A=X$ or $f(A)=Y$.



          But finally, by Zorn's lemma, such maximal element does exist. So we are done.







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              Question 3: if both A $subsetneq$ X and f(A) $subsetneq$ Y, then the construction made a few lines above would be possible, thus extending ($A, f$) and getting to a contradiction (since ($A, f$) is maximal). I believe that the assumptions on which you have doubts (those of Question 2) are exactly those needed to extend a generic element ($S, f$).






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                Question 3: if both A $subsetneq$ X and f(A) $subsetneq$ Y, then the construction made a few lines above would be possible, thus extending ($A, f$) and getting to a contradiction (since ($A, f$) is maximal). I believe that the assumptions on which you have doubts (those of Question 2) are exactly those needed to extend a generic element ($S, f$).






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                  Question 3: if both A $subsetneq$ X and f(A) $subsetneq$ Y, then the construction made a few lines above would be possible, thus extending ($A, f$) and getting to a contradiction (since ($A, f$) is maximal). I believe that the assumptions on which you have doubts (those of Question 2) are exactly those needed to extend a generic element ($S, f$).







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