Finding $int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}ln(sin x)cdot sin xdx$
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Finding $displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}ln(sin x)cdot sin xdx$
What I try:-> Integration by parts
assuming $displaystyle I = intln(sin x)cdot sin xdx = -ln(sin x)cdot cos x+intfrac{cos^2 x}{sin x}dx$
$displaystyle I = -ln(sin x)cdot cos x+intfrac{1-sin^2 x}{sin x}dx$
$ = -ln(sin x)cos x+lnbigg(tanfrac{x}{2}bigg)-cos x$
$ displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}ln(sin x)cos xdx = bigg[-ln(sin x)cos x+lnbigg(tanfrac{x}{2}bigg)-cos xbigg]bigg|^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}=-ln(0)+ln(0)$
but answer is $ln(2/e)$
could some explain me why I have got wrong answer,thanks
also explain me How I solve it using double integral
integration
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Finding $displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}ln(sin x)cdot sin xdx$
What I try:-> Integration by parts
assuming $displaystyle I = intln(sin x)cdot sin xdx = -ln(sin x)cdot cos x+intfrac{cos^2 x}{sin x}dx$
$displaystyle I = -ln(sin x)cdot cos x+intfrac{1-sin^2 x}{sin x}dx$
$ = -ln(sin x)cos x+lnbigg(tanfrac{x}{2}bigg)-cos x$
$ displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}ln(sin x)cos xdx = bigg[-ln(sin x)cos x+lnbigg(tanfrac{x}{2}bigg)-cos xbigg]bigg|^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}=-ln(0)+ln(0)$
but answer is $ln(2/e)$
could some explain me why I have got wrong answer,thanks
also explain me How I solve it using double integral
integration
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$log(0)$ is not a number.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:00
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Thanks Jack D'Aurizio, we have to write it as $lim_{xrightarrow 0}ln(sin x)cdot cos x$
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– DXT
Oct 15 '18 at 15:01
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It still does not exist. $lim(a-b) = lim a-lim b$ only if both $lim a$ and $lim b$ make sense.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:03
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Finding $displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}ln(sin x)cdot sin xdx$
What I try:-> Integration by parts
assuming $displaystyle I = intln(sin x)cdot sin xdx = -ln(sin x)cdot cos x+intfrac{cos^2 x}{sin x}dx$
$displaystyle I = -ln(sin x)cdot cos x+intfrac{1-sin^2 x}{sin x}dx$
$ = -ln(sin x)cos x+lnbigg(tanfrac{x}{2}bigg)-cos x$
$ displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}ln(sin x)cos xdx = bigg[-ln(sin x)cos x+lnbigg(tanfrac{x}{2}bigg)-cos xbigg]bigg|^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}=-ln(0)+ln(0)$
but answer is $ln(2/e)$
could some explain me why I have got wrong answer,thanks
also explain me How I solve it using double integral
integration
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Finding $displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}ln(sin x)cdot sin xdx$
What I try:-> Integration by parts
assuming $displaystyle I = intln(sin x)cdot sin xdx = -ln(sin x)cdot cos x+intfrac{cos^2 x}{sin x}dx$
$displaystyle I = -ln(sin x)cdot cos x+intfrac{1-sin^2 x}{sin x}dx$
$ = -ln(sin x)cos x+lnbigg(tanfrac{x}{2}bigg)-cos x$
$ displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}ln(sin x)cos xdx = bigg[-ln(sin x)cos x+lnbigg(tanfrac{x}{2}bigg)-cos xbigg]bigg|^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}=-ln(0)+ln(0)$
but answer is $ln(2/e)$
could some explain me why I have got wrong answer,thanks
also explain me How I solve it using double integral
integration
integration
edited Jan 12 at 14:46
Martin Sleziak
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asked Oct 15 '18 at 14:51
DXTDXT
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$log(0)$ is not a number.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:00
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Thanks Jack D'Aurizio, we have to write it as $lim_{xrightarrow 0}ln(sin x)cdot cos x$
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– DXT
Oct 15 '18 at 15:01
2
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It still does not exist. $lim(a-b) = lim a-lim b$ only if both $lim a$ and $lim b$ make sense.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:03
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2
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$log(0)$ is not a number.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:00
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Thanks Jack D'Aurizio, we have to write it as $lim_{xrightarrow 0}ln(sin x)cdot cos x$
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– DXT
Oct 15 '18 at 15:01
2
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It still does not exist. $lim(a-b) = lim a-lim b$ only if both $lim a$ and $lim b$ make sense.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:03
2
2
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$log(0)$ is not a number.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:00
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$log(0)$ is not a number.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:00
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Thanks Jack D'Aurizio, we have to write it as $lim_{xrightarrow 0}ln(sin x)cdot cos x$
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– DXT
Oct 15 '18 at 15:01
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Thanks Jack D'Aurizio, we have to write it as $lim_{xrightarrow 0}ln(sin x)cdot cos x$
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– DXT
Oct 15 '18 at 15:01
2
2
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It still does not exist. $lim(a-b) = lim a-lim b$ only if both $lim a$ and $lim b$ make sense.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:03
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It still does not exist. $lim(a-b) = lim a-lim b$ only if both $lim a$ and $lim b$ make sense.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
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begin{align}
I&=int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}ln(sin x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{1}label{1}
end{align}
begin{align}
I&=int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}tfrac12ln(sin^2 x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{2}label{2}
\
&=
int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}
tfrac12ln(1-cos^2 x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{3}label{3}
.
end{align}
Let $t=cos x$, then we have
begin{align}
I&=tfrac12int_0^1ln(1-t^2),dt
\
&=
tfrac12int_0^1ln(1-t)+ln(1+t),dt
\
&=
left.tfrac12
(
1-t-(1-t)ln(1-t)
+(t+1)ln(t+1)-1-t
)right|_0^1
=ln2-1
.
end{align}
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This is the calculus I answer that the user should've gotten in the first place xD.
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– Wesley Strik
Oct 15 '18 at 15:32
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$logsin x$ has a well-known Fourier series:
$$ logsin x=-log 2-sum_{kgeq 1}frac{cos(2k x)}{k} $$
and for any $kinmathbb{N}^+$ we have
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}cos(2kx)sin(x),dx = -frac{1}{(2k-1)(2k+1)}, $$
hence
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}sin(x)logsin(x),dx = -log(2)+sum_{kgeq 1}frac{1}{(2k-1)k(2k+1)} $$
where the last series equals $-1+2log 2$ by partial fraction decomposition. It follows that
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}sin(x)logsin(x),dx = log(2)-1 $$
as wanted.
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Thanks Jack D'Aurizio. caoul you please explain me how i find $displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}cos(2kx)cdot sin (x)dx =frac{1}{(1+2k)(1-2k)}.$
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– DXT
Oct 15 '18 at 15:03
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@DurgeshTiwari: Sine addition formulas and explicit integration.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:04
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It's not that I don't like the elegance of your answer, it's just that the question is probably from a Calc II or Calc III class where, much of the time, Fourier series haven't been properly introduced.
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– Leo
Oct 15 '18 at 15:05
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@Leo: that is not my fault. According to my opinion, Fourier series should be introduced as soon as possible, since they provide multiple ways for explicit evaluations, like in this case or in Basel problem. I also do not believe this exercise comes from a Calc-X class: the OP is asking for elementary integrals from quite some time.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:07
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Why is this called a 'Fourier' series? Is that just the name for any trigonometric series? or can one find it using the classic method?
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Jan 12 at 23:34
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Other answers are good but I prefer to talk about yours. You found (with a typo)
begin{align}
int_{0}^{frac{pi}{2}}ln(sin x) sin x dx
&= -ln(sin x)cos x+lnbigg(tanfrac{x}{2}bigg)color{red}{+}cos xBig|_{0}^{frac{pi}{2}} \
&= 0 + lim_{xto0}bigg(ln(sin x)cos x+lntanfrac{x}{2}bigg)-1 \
&= 0 + lim_{xto0}bigg(ln(1+cos x)-(1-cos x)lnsin xbigg)-1 \
&= ln2-1
end{align}
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Here is an approach following along lines similar to your own answer. There is however a small subtlety used in the first integration by parts step.
On integrating by parts, we have
$$int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} sin x ln (sin x) , dx = (1 - cos x) ln (sin x) Big{|}_0^{pi/2} - int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} (1 - cos x) cdot frac{cos x}{sin x} , dx.$$
Note the subtlety here. Having chosen $v' = sin x$ we have used $v = 1 - cos x$, that is, a non-zero constant of integration has been selected. Doing so means one has zero at the upper and lower limits of integration.
Continuing, we have
begin{align}
int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} sin x ln (sin x) , dx &= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} frac{-cos x + cos^2 x}{sin x} , dx\
&= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} frac{-cos x + 1 - sin^2 x}{sin x} , dx\
&= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} left [text{cosec} , x - cot x - sin x right ] , dx\
&= left [-ln (text{cosec} ,x + cot x) - ln (sin x) + cos x right ]_0^{pi/2}\
&= left [-ln (1 + cos x) + cos x right ]_0^{pi/2}\
&= ln 2 - 1,
end{align}
as expected.
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begin{align}
I&=int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}ln(sin x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{1}label{1}
end{align}
begin{align}
I&=int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}tfrac12ln(sin^2 x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{2}label{2}
\
&=
int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}
tfrac12ln(1-cos^2 x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{3}label{3}
.
end{align}
Let $t=cos x$, then we have
begin{align}
I&=tfrac12int_0^1ln(1-t^2),dt
\
&=
tfrac12int_0^1ln(1-t)+ln(1+t),dt
\
&=
left.tfrac12
(
1-t-(1-t)ln(1-t)
+(t+1)ln(t+1)-1-t
)right|_0^1
=ln2-1
.
end{align}
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This is the calculus I answer that the user should've gotten in the first place xD.
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– Wesley Strik
Oct 15 '18 at 15:32
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begin{align}
I&=int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}ln(sin x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{1}label{1}
end{align}
begin{align}
I&=int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}tfrac12ln(sin^2 x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{2}label{2}
\
&=
int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}
tfrac12ln(1-cos^2 x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{3}label{3}
.
end{align}
Let $t=cos x$, then we have
begin{align}
I&=tfrac12int_0^1ln(1-t^2),dt
\
&=
tfrac12int_0^1ln(1-t)+ln(1+t),dt
\
&=
left.tfrac12
(
1-t-(1-t)ln(1-t)
+(t+1)ln(t+1)-1-t
)right|_0^1
=ln2-1
.
end{align}
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This is the calculus I answer that the user should've gotten in the first place xD.
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– Wesley Strik
Oct 15 '18 at 15:32
add a comment |
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begin{align}
I&=int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}ln(sin x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{1}label{1}
end{align}
begin{align}
I&=int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}tfrac12ln(sin^2 x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{2}label{2}
\
&=
int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}
tfrac12ln(1-cos^2 x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{3}label{3}
.
end{align}
Let $t=cos x$, then we have
begin{align}
I&=tfrac12int_0^1ln(1-t^2),dt
\
&=
tfrac12int_0^1ln(1-t)+ln(1+t),dt
\
&=
left.tfrac12
(
1-t-(1-t)ln(1-t)
+(t+1)ln(t+1)-1-t
)right|_0^1
=ln2-1
.
end{align}
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begin{align}
I&=int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}ln(sin x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{1}label{1}
end{align}
begin{align}
I&=int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}tfrac12ln(sin^2 x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{2}label{2}
\
&=
int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}
tfrac12ln(1-cos^2 x)cdot sin x,dx
tag{3}label{3}
.
end{align}
Let $t=cos x$, then we have
begin{align}
I&=tfrac12int_0^1ln(1-t^2),dt
\
&=
tfrac12int_0^1ln(1-t)+ln(1+t),dt
\
&=
left.tfrac12
(
1-t-(1-t)ln(1-t)
+(t+1)ln(t+1)-1-t
)right|_0^1
=ln2-1
.
end{align}
answered Oct 15 '18 at 15:27
g.kovg.kov
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This is the calculus I answer that the user should've gotten in the first place xD.
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– Wesley Strik
Oct 15 '18 at 15:32
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This is the calculus I answer that the user should've gotten in the first place xD.
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– Wesley Strik
Oct 15 '18 at 15:32
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This is the calculus I answer that the user should've gotten in the first place xD.
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– Wesley Strik
Oct 15 '18 at 15:32
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This is the calculus I answer that the user should've gotten in the first place xD.
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– Wesley Strik
Oct 15 '18 at 15:32
add a comment |
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$logsin x$ has a well-known Fourier series:
$$ logsin x=-log 2-sum_{kgeq 1}frac{cos(2k x)}{k} $$
and for any $kinmathbb{N}^+$ we have
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}cos(2kx)sin(x),dx = -frac{1}{(2k-1)(2k+1)}, $$
hence
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}sin(x)logsin(x),dx = -log(2)+sum_{kgeq 1}frac{1}{(2k-1)k(2k+1)} $$
where the last series equals $-1+2log 2$ by partial fraction decomposition. It follows that
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}sin(x)logsin(x),dx = log(2)-1 $$
as wanted.
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Thanks Jack D'Aurizio. caoul you please explain me how i find $displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}cos(2kx)cdot sin (x)dx =frac{1}{(1+2k)(1-2k)}.$
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– DXT
Oct 15 '18 at 15:03
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@DurgeshTiwari: Sine addition formulas and explicit integration.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:04
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It's not that I don't like the elegance of your answer, it's just that the question is probably from a Calc II or Calc III class where, much of the time, Fourier series haven't been properly introduced.
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– Leo
Oct 15 '18 at 15:05
2
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@Leo: that is not my fault. According to my opinion, Fourier series should be introduced as soon as possible, since they provide multiple ways for explicit evaluations, like in this case or in Basel problem. I also do not believe this exercise comes from a Calc-X class: the OP is asking for elementary integrals from quite some time.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:07
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Why is this called a 'Fourier' series? Is that just the name for any trigonometric series? or can one find it using the classic method?
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– clathratus
Jan 12 at 23:34
add a comment |
$begingroup$
$logsin x$ has a well-known Fourier series:
$$ logsin x=-log 2-sum_{kgeq 1}frac{cos(2k x)}{k} $$
and for any $kinmathbb{N}^+$ we have
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}cos(2kx)sin(x),dx = -frac{1}{(2k-1)(2k+1)}, $$
hence
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}sin(x)logsin(x),dx = -log(2)+sum_{kgeq 1}frac{1}{(2k-1)k(2k+1)} $$
where the last series equals $-1+2log 2$ by partial fraction decomposition. It follows that
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}sin(x)logsin(x),dx = log(2)-1 $$
as wanted.
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Thanks Jack D'Aurizio. caoul you please explain me how i find $displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}cos(2kx)cdot sin (x)dx =frac{1}{(1+2k)(1-2k)}.$
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– DXT
Oct 15 '18 at 15:03
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@DurgeshTiwari: Sine addition formulas and explicit integration.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:04
2
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It's not that I don't like the elegance of your answer, it's just that the question is probably from a Calc II or Calc III class where, much of the time, Fourier series haven't been properly introduced.
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– Leo
Oct 15 '18 at 15:05
2
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@Leo: that is not my fault. According to my opinion, Fourier series should be introduced as soon as possible, since they provide multiple ways for explicit evaluations, like in this case or in Basel problem. I also do not believe this exercise comes from a Calc-X class: the OP is asking for elementary integrals from quite some time.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:07
$begingroup$
Why is this called a 'Fourier' series? Is that just the name for any trigonometric series? or can one find it using the classic method?
$endgroup$
– clathratus
Jan 12 at 23:34
add a comment |
$begingroup$
$logsin x$ has a well-known Fourier series:
$$ logsin x=-log 2-sum_{kgeq 1}frac{cos(2k x)}{k} $$
and for any $kinmathbb{N}^+$ we have
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}cos(2kx)sin(x),dx = -frac{1}{(2k-1)(2k+1)}, $$
hence
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}sin(x)logsin(x),dx = -log(2)+sum_{kgeq 1}frac{1}{(2k-1)k(2k+1)} $$
where the last series equals $-1+2log 2$ by partial fraction decomposition. It follows that
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}sin(x)logsin(x),dx = log(2)-1 $$
as wanted.
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$logsin x$ has a well-known Fourier series:
$$ logsin x=-log 2-sum_{kgeq 1}frac{cos(2k x)}{k} $$
and for any $kinmathbb{N}^+$ we have
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}cos(2kx)sin(x),dx = -frac{1}{(2k-1)(2k+1)}, $$
hence
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}sin(x)logsin(x),dx = -log(2)+sum_{kgeq 1}frac{1}{(2k-1)k(2k+1)} $$
where the last series equals $-1+2log 2$ by partial fraction decomposition. It follows that
$$ int_{0}^{pi/2}sin(x)logsin(x),dx = log(2)-1 $$
as wanted.
answered Oct 15 '18 at 14:57
Jack D'AurizioJack D'Aurizio
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Thanks Jack D'Aurizio. caoul you please explain me how i find $displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}cos(2kx)cdot sin (x)dx =frac{1}{(1+2k)(1-2k)}.$
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– DXT
Oct 15 '18 at 15:03
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@DurgeshTiwari: Sine addition formulas and explicit integration.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:04
2
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It's not that I don't like the elegance of your answer, it's just that the question is probably from a Calc II or Calc III class where, much of the time, Fourier series haven't been properly introduced.
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– Leo
Oct 15 '18 at 15:05
2
$begingroup$
@Leo: that is not my fault. According to my opinion, Fourier series should be introduced as soon as possible, since they provide multiple ways for explicit evaluations, like in this case or in Basel problem. I also do not believe this exercise comes from a Calc-X class: the OP is asking for elementary integrals from quite some time.
$endgroup$
– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:07
$begingroup$
Why is this called a 'Fourier' series? Is that just the name for any trigonometric series? or can one find it using the classic method?
$endgroup$
– clathratus
Jan 12 at 23:34
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Thanks Jack D'Aurizio. caoul you please explain me how i find $displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}cos(2kx)cdot sin (x)dx =frac{1}{(1+2k)(1-2k)}.$
$endgroup$
– DXT
Oct 15 '18 at 15:03
$begingroup$
@DurgeshTiwari: Sine addition formulas and explicit integration.
$endgroup$
– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:04
2
$begingroup$
It's not that I don't like the elegance of your answer, it's just that the question is probably from a Calc II or Calc III class where, much of the time, Fourier series haven't been properly introduced.
$endgroup$
– Leo
Oct 15 '18 at 15:05
2
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@Leo: that is not my fault. According to my opinion, Fourier series should be introduced as soon as possible, since they provide multiple ways for explicit evaluations, like in this case or in Basel problem. I also do not believe this exercise comes from a Calc-X class: the OP is asking for elementary integrals from quite some time.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
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Why is this called a 'Fourier' series? Is that just the name for any trigonometric series? or can one find it using the classic method?
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– clathratus
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Thanks Jack D'Aurizio. caoul you please explain me how i find $displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}cos(2kx)cdot sin (x)dx =frac{1}{(1+2k)(1-2k)}.$
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Thanks Jack D'Aurizio. caoul you please explain me how i find $displaystyle int^{frac{pi}{2}}_{0}cos(2kx)cdot sin (x)dx =frac{1}{(1+2k)(1-2k)}.$
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@DurgeshTiwari: Sine addition formulas and explicit integration.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
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@DurgeshTiwari: Sine addition formulas and explicit integration.
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It's not that I don't like the elegance of your answer, it's just that the question is probably from a Calc II or Calc III class where, much of the time, Fourier series haven't been properly introduced.
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– Leo
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It's not that I don't like the elegance of your answer, it's just that the question is probably from a Calc II or Calc III class where, much of the time, Fourier series haven't been properly introduced.
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@Leo: that is not my fault. According to my opinion, Fourier series should be introduced as soon as possible, since they provide multiple ways for explicit evaluations, like in this case or in Basel problem. I also do not believe this exercise comes from a Calc-X class: the OP is asking for elementary integrals from quite some time.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:07
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@Leo: that is not my fault. According to my opinion, Fourier series should be introduced as soon as possible, since they provide multiple ways for explicit evaluations, like in this case or in Basel problem. I also do not believe this exercise comes from a Calc-X class: the OP is asking for elementary integrals from quite some time.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:07
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Why is this called a 'Fourier' series? Is that just the name for any trigonometric series? or can one find it using the classic method?
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– clathratus
Jan 12 at 23:34
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Why is this called a 'Fourier' series? Is that just the name for any trigonometric series? or can one find it using the classic method?
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– clathratus
Jan 12 at 23:34
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Other answers are good but I prefer to talk about yours. You found (with a typo)
begin{align}
int_{0}^{frac{pi}{2}}ln(sin x) sin x dx
&= -ln(sin x)cos x+lnbigg(tanfrac{x}{2}bigg)color{red}{+}cos xBig|_{0}^{frac{pi}{2}} \
&= 0 + lim_{xto0}bigg(ln(sin x)cos x+lntanfrac{x}{2}bigg)-1 \
&= 0 + lim_{xto0}bigg(ln(1+cos x)-(1-cos x)lnsin xbigg)-1 \
&= ln2-1
end{align}
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Other answers are good but I prefer to talk about yours. You found (with a typo)
begin{align}
int_{0}^{frac{pi}{2}}ln(sin x) sin x dx
&= -ln(sin x)cos x+lnbigg(tanfrac{x}{2}bigg)color{red}{+}cos xBig|_{0}^{frac{pi}{2}} \
&= 0 + lim_{xto0}bigg(ln(sin x)cos x+lntanfrac{x}{2}bigg)-1 \
&= 0 + lim_{xto0}bigg(ln(1+cos x)-(1-cos x)lnsin xbigg)-1 \
&= ln2-1
end{align}
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Other answers are good but I prefer to talk about yours. You found (with a typo)
begin{align}
int_{0}^{frac{pi}{2}}ln(sin x) sin x dx
&= -ln(sin x)cos x+lnbigg(tanfrac{x}{2}bigg)color{red}{+}cos xBig|_{0}^{frac{pi}{2}} \
&= 0 + lim_{xto0}bigg(ln(sin x)cos x+lntanfrac{x}{2}bigg)-1 \
&= 0 + lim_{xto0}bigg(ln(1+cos x)-(1-cos x)lnsin xbigg)-1 \
&= ln2-1
end{align}
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Other answers are good but I prefer to talk about yours. You found (with a typo)
begin{align}
int_{0}^{frac{pi}{2}}ln(sin x) sin x dx
&= -ln(sin x)cos x+lnbigg(tanfrac{x}{2}bigg)color{red}{+}cos xBig|_{0}^{frac{pi}{2}} \
&= 0 + lim_{xto0}bigg(ln(sin x)cos x+lntanfrac{x}{2}bigg)-1 \
&= 0 + lim_{xto0}bigg(ln(1+cos x)-(1-cos x)lnsin xbigg)-1 \
&= ln2-1
end{align}
answered Oct 15 '18 at 15:49
NosratiNosrati
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Here is an approach following along lines similar to your own answer. There is however a small subtlety used in the first integration by parts step.
On integrating by parts, we have
$$int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} sin x ln (sin x) , dx = (1 - cos x) ln (sin x) Big{|}_0^{pi/2} - int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} (1 - cos x) cdot frac{cos x}{sin x} , dx.$$
Note the subtlety here. Having chosen $v' = sin x$ we have used $v = 1 - cos x$, that is, a non-zero constant of integration has been selected. Doing so means one has zero at the upper and lower limits of integration.
Continuing, we have
begin{align}
int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} sin x ln (sin x) , dx &= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} frac{-cos x + cos^2 x}{sin x} , dx\
&= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} frac{-cos x + 1 - sin^2 x}{sin x} , dx\
&= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} left [text{cosec} , x - cot x - sin x right ] , dx\
&= left [-ln (text{cosec} ,x + cot x) - ln (sin x) + cos x right ]_0^{pi/2}\
&= left [-ln (1 + cos x) + cos x right ]_0^{pi/2}\
&= ln 2 - 1,
end{align}
as expected.
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Here is an approach following along lines similar to your own answer. There is however a small subtlety used in the first integration by parts step.
On integrating by parts, we have
$$int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} sin x ln (sin x) , dx = (1 - cos x) ln (sin x) Big{|}_0^{pi/2} - int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} (1 - cos x) cdot frac{cos x}{sin x} , dx.$$
Note the subtlety here. Having chosen $v' = sin x$ we have used $v = 1 - cos x$, that is, a non-zero constant of integration has been selected. Doing so means one has zero at the upper and lower limits of integration.
Continuing, we have
begin{align}
int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} sin x ln (sin x) , dx &= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} frac{-cos x + cos^2 x}{sin x} , dx\
&= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} frac{-cos x + 1 - sin^2 x}{sin x} , dx\
&= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} left [text{cosec} , x - cot x - sin x right ] , dx\
&= left [-ln (text{cosec} ,x + cot x) - ln (sin x) + cos x right ]_0^{pi/2}\
&= left [-ln (1 + cos x) + cos x right ]_0^{pi/2}\
&= ln 2 - 1,
end{align}
as expected.
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Here is an approach following along lines similar to your own answer. There is however a small subtlety used in the first integration by parts step.
On integrating by parts, we have
$$int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} sin x ln (sin x) , dx = (1 - cos x) ln (sin x) Big{|}_0^{pi/2} - int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} (1 - cos x) cdot frac{cos x}{sin x} , dx.$$
Note the subtlety here. Having chosen $v' = sin x$ we have used $v = 1 - cos x$, that is, a non-zero constant of integration has been selected. Doing so means one has zero at the upper and lower limits of integration.
Continuing, we have
begin{align}
int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} sin x ln (sin x) , dx &= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} frac{-cos x + cos^2 x}{sin x} , dx\
&= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} frac{-cos x + 1 - sin^2 x}{sin x} , dx\
&= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} left [text{cosec} , x - cot x - sin x right ] , dx\
&= left [-ln (text{cosec} ,x + cot x) - ln (sin x) + cos x right ]_0^{pi/2}\
&= left [-ln (1 + cos x) + cos x right ]_0^{pi/2}\
&= ln 2 - 1,
end{align}
as expected.
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Here is an approach following along lines similar to your own answer. There is however a small subtlety used in the first integration by parts step.
On integrating by parts, we have
$$int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} sin x ln (sin x) , dx = (1 - cos x) ln (sin x) Big{|}_0^{pi/2} - int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} (1 - cos x) cdot frac{cos x}{sin x} , dx.$$
Note the subtlety here. Having chosen $v' = sin x$ we have used $v = 1 - cos x$, that is, a non-zero constant of integration has been selected. Doing so means one has zero at the upper and lower limits of integration.
Continuing, we have
begin{align}
int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} sin x ln (sin x) , dx &= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} frac{-cos x + cos^2 x}{sin x} , dx\
&= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} frac{-cos x + 1 - sin^2 x}{sin x} , dx\
&= int_0^{frac{pi}{2}} left [text{cosec} , x - cot x - sin x right ] , dx\
&= left [-ln (text{cosec} ,x + cot x) - ln (sin x) + cos x right ]_0^{pi/2}\
&= left [-ln (1 + cos x) + cos x right ]_0^{pi/2}\
&= ln 2 - 1,
end{align}
as expected.
answered Dec 17 '18 at 10:05
omegadotomegadot
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$log(0)$ is not a number.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 15 '18 at 15:00
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Thanks Jack D'Aurizio, we have to write it as $lim_{xrightarrow 0}ln(sin x)cdot cos x$
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It still does not exist. $lim(a-b) = lim a-lim b$ only if both $lim a$ and $lim b$ make sense.
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