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Let $(a_n)$ be a bounded sequence such that $inf_{ell} a_{ell}<a_n< sup_{ell} a_{ell}$ for each $n=1,2, dots$



I want to show that there are subsequences $(a_{k_n})$ increasing and $(a_{m_n})$ decreasing such that $a_{k_n} to sup_{ell} a_{ell}$ and $a_{m_n} to inf_{ell} a_{ell}$.



Could you give me a hint how we could find the desired subsequences?










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    Let $(a_n)$ be a bounded sequence such that $inf_{ell} a_{ell}<a_n< sup_{ell} a_{ell}$ for each $n=1,2, dots$



    I want to show that there are subsequences $(a_{k_n})$ increasing and $(a_{m_n})$ decreasing such that $a_{k_n} to sup_{ell} a_{ell}$ and $a_{m_n} to inf_{ell} a_{ell}$.



    Could you give me a hint how we could find the desired subsequences?










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      Let $(a_n)$ be a bounded sequence such that $inf_{ell} a_{ell}<a_n< sup_{ell} a_{ell}$ for each $n=1,2, dots$



      I want to show that there are subsequences $(a_{k_n})$ increasing and $(a_{m_n})$ decreasing such that $a_{k_n} to sup_{ell} a_{ell}$ and $a_{m_n} to inf_{ell} a_{ell}$.



      Could you give me a hint how we could find the desired subsequences?










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      Let $(a_n)$ be a bounded sequence such that $inf_{ell} a_{ell}<a_n< sup_{ell} a_{ell}$ for each $n=1,2, dots$



      I want to show that there are subsequences $(a_{k_n})$ increasing and $(a_{m_n})$ decreasing such that $a_{k_n} to sup_{ell} a_{ell}$ and $a_{m_n} to inf_{ell} a_{ell}$.



      Could you give me a hint how we could find the desired subsequences?







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          Suppose the infimum is $0$ and the supremum is $1$. Choose $a_{k_1}=a_1$ as the fist member of the decreasing sequence. Then since $a_1>0$ by hypothesis, there is an element $a_{k_2}$ with $k_2>k_1$ and $0<a_{k_2}<a_{k_1}/2$ and a $k_3>k_2$ and $0<a_{k_3}<a_{k_2}/2$ and so on. (Make sure you see why we can choose $k_{m+1}>k_m.$)



          EDIT



          In response to the OP's comment.
          First of all, since $0 = inf{a_n}$ there are $a_k$ arbitrarily close to $0$ so we can certainly find $k_2$ such that $0<a_{k_2}<a_{k_1}/2$. The only question is whether we can find such a $k_2>k_1$. Suppose not. Then $K={k|a_k<a_{k_1}}$ is finite, and then $inf{a_k}=min_{kin K}a_k>0,$ contradiction.






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          • I haven't understood why there is an element $a_{k_2}$ with $k_2> k_1$ and $0< a_{k_2}< frac{a_{k_1}}{2}$ and so on. Could you explain it further to me?
            – Evinda
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          • @Evinda I added some details.
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            Dec 2 at 13:26











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          Hint



          Suppose the infimum is $0$ and the supremum is $1$. Choose $a_{k_1}=a_1$ as the fist member of the decreasing sequence. Then since $a_1>0$ by hypothesis, there is an element $a_{k_2}$ with $k_2>k_1$ and $0<a_{k_2}<a_{k_1}/2$ and a $k_3>k_2$ and $0<a_{k_3}<a_{k_2}/2$ and so on. (Make sure you see why we can choose $k_{m+1}>k_m.$)



          EDIT



          In response to the OP's comment.
          First of all, since $0 = inf{a_n}$ there are $a_k$ arbitrarily close to $0$ so we can certainly find $k_2$ such that $0<a_{k_2}<a_{k_1}/2$. The only question is whether we can find such a $k_2>k_1$. Suppose not. Then $K={k|a_k<a_{k_1}}$ is finite, and then $inf{a_k}=min_{kin K}a_k>0,$ contradiction.






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          • I haven't understood why there is an element $a_{k_2}$ with $k_2> k_1$ and $0< a_{k_2}< frac{a_{k_1}}{2}$ and so on. Could you explain it further to me?
            – Evinda
            Dec 2 at 9:26










          • @Evinda I added some details.
            – saulspatz
            Dec 2 at 13:26















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          Hint



          Suppose the infimum is $0$ and the supremum is $1$. Choose $a_{k_1}=a_1$ as the fist member of the decreasing sequence. Then since $a_1>0$ by hypothesis, there is an element $a_{k_2}$ with $k_2>k_1$ and $0<a_{k_2}<a_{k_1}/2$ and a $k_3>k_2$ and $0<a_{k_3}<a_{k_2}/2$ and so on. (Make sure you see why we can choose $k_{m+1}>k_m.$)



          EDIT



          In response to the OP's comment.
          First of all, since $0 = inf{a_n}$ there are $a_k$ arbitrarily close to $0$ so we can certainly find $k_2$ such that $0<a_{k_2}<a_{k_1}/2$. The only question is whether we can find such a $k_2>k_1$. Suppose not. Then $K={k|a_k<a_{k_1}}$ is finite, and then $inf{a_k}=min_{kin K}a_k>0,$ contradiction.






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          • I haven't understood why there is an element $a_{k_2}$ with $k_2> k_1$ and $0< a_{k_2}< frac{a_{k_1}}{2}$ and so on. Could you explain it further to me?
            – Evinda
            Dec 2 at 9:26










          • @Evinda I added some details.
            – saulspatz
            Dec 2 at 13:26













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          Suppose the infimum is $0$ and the supremum is $1$. Choose $a_{k_1}=a_1$ as the fist member of the decreasing sequence. Then since $a_1>0$ by hypothesis, there is an element $a_{k_2}$ with $k_2>k_1$ and $0<a_{k_2}<a_{k_1}/2$ and a $k_3>k_2$ and $0<a_{k_3}<a_{k_2}/2$ and so on. (Make sure you see why we can choose $k_{m+1}>k_m.$)



          EDIT



          In response to the OP's comment.
          First of all, since $0 = inf{a_n}$ there are $a_k$ arbitrarily close to $0$ so we can certainly find $k_2$ such that $0<a_{k_2}<a_{k_1}/2$. The only question is whether we can find such a $k_2>k_1$. Suppose not. Then $K={k|a_k<a_{k_1}}$ is finite, and then $inf{a_k}=min_{kin K}a_k>0,$ contradiction.






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          Hint



          Suppose the infimum is $0$ and the supremum is $1$. Choose $a_{k_1}=a_1$ as the fist member of the decreasing sequence. Then since $a_1>0$ by hypothesis, there is an element $a_{k_2}$ with $k_2>k_1$ and $0<a_{k_2}<a_{k_1}/2$ and a $k_3>k_2$ and $0<a_{k_3}<a_{k_2}/2$ and so on. (Make sure you see why we can choose $k_{m+1}>k_m.$)



          EDIT



          In response to the OP's comment.
          First of all, since $0 = inf{a_n}$ there are $a_k$ arbitrarily close to $0$ so we can certainly find $k_2$ such that $0<a_{k_2}<a_{k_1}/2$. The only question is whether we can find such a $k_2>k_1$. Suppose not. Then $K={k|a_k<a_{k_1}}$ is finite, and then $inf{a_k}=min_{kin K}a_k>0,$ contradiction.







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          answered Dec 1 at 21:16









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          • I haven't understood why there is an element $a_{k_2}$ with $k_2> k_1$ and $0< a_{k_2}< frac{a_{k_1}}{2}$ and so on. Could you explain it further to me?
            – Evinda
            Dec 2 at 9:26










          • @Evinda I added some details.
            – saulspatz
            Dec 2 at 13:26


















          • I haven't understood why there is an element $a_{k_2}$ with $k_2> k_1$ and $0< a_{k_2}< frac{a_{k_1}}{2}$ and so on. Could you explain it further to me?
            – Evinda
            Dec 2 at 9:26










          • @Evinda I added some details.
            – saulspatz
            Dec 2 at 13:26
















          I haven't understood why there is an element $a_{k_2}$ with $k_2> k_1$ and $0< a_{k_2}< frac{a_{k_1}}{2}$ and so on. Could you explain it further to me?
          – Evinda
          Dec 2 at 9:26




          I haven't understood why there is an element $a_{k_2}$ with $k_2> k_1$ and $0< a_{k_2}< frac{a_{k_1}}{2}$ and so on. Could you explain it further to me?
          – Evinda
          Dec 2 at 9:26












          @Evinda I added some details.
          – saulspatz
          Dec 2 at 13:26




          @Evinda I added some details.
          – saulspatz
          Dec 2 at 13:26


















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