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A cylinder is $(x-a)^2+(y-a)^2=r^2$ with axis at $z$. I don't see where the '$z$' is in the equation. The book (calc 3) I'm using mentions the equation works for any $z$, but I don't see where the $z$ output is in the equation



Here is the excerpt from the book, the only part referencing to the basic equation of the cylinder as I've read 1-2 chapters beyond this point (it is a 4 chapter vector calc text)



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    The cylinder is in fact infinite. You just can't draw an infinite picture on a piece of paper.
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  • Hmm okay, but what happens to the z-variable? In other words is there a stopping point so to say or does it actually continue forever like you mentioned except for when the z constraints are given?
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  • It does continue forever. That's what having no constraint on $z$ corresponds to. It means $z$ can be anything.
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A cylinder is $(x-a)^2+(y-a)^2=r^2$ with axis at $z$. I don't see where the '$z$' is in the equation. The book (calc 3) I'm using mentions the equation works for any $z$, but I don't see where the $z$ output is in the equation



Here is the excerpt from the book, the only part referencing to the basic equation of the cylinder as I've read 1-2 chapters beyond this point (it is a 4 chapter vector calc text)



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    The cylinder is in fact infinite. You just can't draw an infinite picture on a piece of paper.
    – Tunococ
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  • Hmm okay, but what happens to the z-variable? In other words is there a stopping point so to say or does it actually continue forever like you mentioned except for when the z constraints are given?
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  • It does continue forever. That's what having no constraint on $z$ corresponds to. It means $z$ can be anything.
    – Tunococ
    Jul 23 '14 at 8:24













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A cylinder is $(x-a)^2+(y-a)^2=r^2$ with axis at $z$. I don't see where the '$z$' is in the equation. The book (calc 3) I'm using mentions the equation works for any $z$, but I don't see where the $z$ output is in the equation



Here is the excerpt from the book, the only part referencing to the basic equation of the cylinder as I've read 1-2 chapters beyond this point (it is a 4 chapter vector calc text)



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A cylinder is $(x-a)^2+(y-a)^2=r^2$ with axis at $z$. I don't see where the '$z$' is in the equation. The book (calc 3) I'm using mentions the equation works for any $z$, but I don't see where the $z$ output is in the equation



Here is the excerpt from the book, the only part referencing to the basic equation of the cylinder as I've read 1-2 chapters beyond this point (it is a 4 chapter vector calc text)



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    The cylinder is in fact infinite. You just can't draw an infinite picture on a piece of paper.
    – Tunococ
    Jul 23 '14 at 6:00










  • Hmm okay, but what happens to the z-variable? In other words is there a stopping point so to say or does it actually continue forever like you mentioned except for when the z constraints are given?
    – user155679
    Jul 23 '14 at 6:20










  • It does continue forever. That's what having no constraint on $z$ corresponds to. It means $z$ can be anything.
    – Tunococ
    Jul 23 '14 at 8:24














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    The cylinder is in fact infinite. You just can't draw an infinite picture on a piece of paper.
    – Tunococ
    Jul 23 '14 at 6:00










  • Hmm okay, but what happens to the z-variable? In other words is there a stopping point so to say or does it actually continue forever like you mentioned except for when the z constraints are given?
    – user155679
    Jul 23 '14 at 6:20










  • It does continue forever. That's what having no constraint on $z$ corresponds to. It means $z$ can be anything.
    – Tunococ
    Jul 23 '14 at 8:24








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The cylinder is in fact infinite. You just can't draw an infinite picture on a piece of paper.
– Tunococ
Jul 23 '14 at 6:00




The cylinder is in fact infinite. You just can't draw an infinite picture on a piece of paper.
– Tunococ
Jul 23 '14 at 6:00












Hmm okay, but what happens to the z-variable? In other words is there a stopping point so to say or does it actually continue forever like you mentioned except for when the z constraints are given?
– user155679
Jul 23 '14 at 6:20




Hmm okay, but what happens to the z-variable? In other words is there a stopping point so to say or does it actually continue forever like you mentioned except for when the z constraints are given?
– user155679
Jul 23 '14 at 6:20












It does continue forever. That's what having no constraint on $z$ corresponds to. It means $z$ can be anything.
– Tunococ
Jul 23 '14 at 8:24




It does continue forever. That's what having no constraint on $z$ corresponds to. It means $z$ can be anything.
– Tunococ
Jul 23 '14 at 8:24










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Another way to think about this is the equations of the axes themselves. For instance, take the z-axis. All points on it have x=0 and y=0. Clearly it is a line with any z-allowed.



You could write the equation of the axis as $x^2+y^2=0$, because in the reals the only solution to this equation is $x=0$ and $y=0$.



This shows you that the z-axis is like an infinitely thin cylinder (with a point cross section / 0 radius). If you allowed a positive number $a^2$ on the right side, $x^2+y^2=a^2$ all you do is increase the radius / cross-sectional area. However, you still have an equation satisfied for any value of z, just like the z-axis itself.






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    The equation of an object is a way of telling whether a point is part of an object -- if you substitute the coordinates of the point into the equation and the equation is true, then the point is on the object; if the equation is not true for that point, then the point is not on the object. There is no $z$ because the z-coordinate is not part of the decision of whether a point is on the cylinder.



    The fact that there is no z tells you that all points where the x- and y-coordinates satisfy the equation are part of the cylinder, regardless of the value of z. For example, if the equation is $(x-1)^2 + (y+2)^2 = 4$, then one of the points on the cylinder is (1,0,0), but so is (1,0,1) and (1,0,-1) and (1,0,5) and (1,0, -789) and so on. This means that the cylinder goes on forever both up and down.






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      This is the implicit equation of a cylinder: a point $(x,y,z)$ lies on the cylinder if it satisfies the equation. The important thing here is in fact that $z$ does not occur in the equation. Which means that if some point $(x,y,z)$ lies on the cylinder, then another point $(x,y,z')$ which differs from the first only by a change in its $z$ coordinate will satisfy the same equation and therefore lie on the same cylinder. That's where the $z$ axis comes into play.



      An alternative to these implicit equation sowuld be parametric equations, which describe how you compute the coordinates of points using three parameters, e.g. $(rsinvarphi+a,rcosvarphi+b,z)$ for $varphiin[0,2pi),zinmathbb R$.






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        If you really want an equation with z that support any cylinder position or rotation you can find it on another thread here :



        $$(y−z)^2+(z−x)^2+(x−y)^2=3R^2$$



        The link :
        Formula for cylinder



        I searched it for while so I leave it here to help any other person searching for it !






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          The equation $(x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 = r^2$ describes a circle on the x/y plane; of radius $r$ and centre $(a, b)$. It's solutions include all the combinations of $x$ and $y$ that make up a two dimensional circle, and no other points.



          Now for 3d space we have a z-axis too, For which values of $z$ is the equation true?



          Since $z$ is not mention in the equation, its true for all $z$, positive, zero or negative.



          The equation therefore describes an infinite cylinder.






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            An equation for a smoothed cylinder can be :



            $$ x^2+y^2+z^{2n} = 1 $$



            with $ninmathbb{N}$, $nneq0$.



            The greater the $n$ the smoother the top and bottom edges resulting from the "cut" of the infinite cylinder.



            See for example https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+x%5E2%2By%5E2%2Bz%5E20+%3D+1



            smoothed cylinder






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              Another way to think about this is the equations of the axes themselves. For instance, take the z-axis. All points on it have x=0 and y=0. Clearly it is a line with any z-allowed.



              You could write the equation of the axis as $x^2+y^2=0$, because in the reals the only solution to this equation is $x=0$ and $y=0$.



              This shows you that the z-axis is like an infinitely thin cylinder (with a point cross section / 0 radius). If you allowed a positive number $a^2$ on the right side, $x^2+y^2=a^2$ all you do is increase the radius / cross-sectional area. However, you still have an equation satisfied for any value of z, just like the z-axis itself.






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                Another way to think about this is the equations of the axes themselves. For instance, take the z-axis. All points on it have x=0 and y=0. Clearly it is a line with any z-allowed.



                You could write the equation of the axis as $x^2+y^2=0$, because in the reals the only solution to this equation is $x=0$ and $y=0$.



                This shows you that the z-axis is like an infinitely thin cylinder (with a point cross section / 0 radius). If you allowed a positive number $a^2$ on the right side, $x^2+y^2=a^2$ all you do is increase the radius / cross-sectional area. However, you still have an equation satisfied for any value of z, just like the z-axis itself.






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                  Another way to think about this is the equations of the axes themselves. For instance, take the z-axis. All points on it have x=0 and y=0. Clearly it is a line with any z-allowed.



                  You could write the equation of the axis as $x^2+y^2=0$, because in the reals the only solution to this equation is $x=0$ and $y=0$.



                  This shows you that the z-axis is like an infinitely thin cylinder (with a point cross section / 0 radius). If you allowed a positive number $a^2$ on the right side, $x^2+y^2=a^2$ all you do is increase the radius / cross-sectional area. However, you still have an equation satisfied for any value of z, just like the z-axis itself.






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                  Another way to think about this is the equations of the axes themselves. For instance, take the z-axis. All points on it have x=0 and y=0. Clearly it is a line with any z-allowed.



                  You could write the equation of the axis as $x^2+y^2=0$, because in the reals the only solution to this equation is $x=0$ and $y=0$.



                  This shows you that the z-axis is like an infinitely thin cylinder (with a point cross section / 0 radius). If you allowed a positive number $a^2$ on the right side, $x^2+y^2=a^2$ all you do is increase the radius / cross-sectional area. However, you still have an equation satisfied for any value of z, just like the z-axis itself.







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                      The equation of an object is a way of telling whether a point is part of an object -- if you substitute the coordinates of the point into the equation and the equation is true, then the point is on the object; if the equation is not true for that point, then the point is not on the object. There is no $z$ because the z-coordinate is not part of the decision of whether a point is on the cylinder.



                      The fact that there is no z tells you that all points where the x- and y-coordinates satisfy the equation are part of the cylinder, regardless of the value of z. For example, if the equation is $(x-1)^2 + (y+2)^2 = 4$, then one of the points on the cylinder is (1,0,0), but so is (1,0,1) and (1,0,-1) and (1,0,5) and (1,0, -789) and so on. This means that the cylinder goes on forever both up and down.






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                        The equation of an object is a way of telling whether a point is part of an object -- if you substitute the coordinates of the point into the equation and the equation is true, then the point is on the object; if the equation is not true for that point, then the point is not on the object. There is no $z$ because the z-coordinate is not part of the decision of whether a point is on the cylinder.



                        The fact that there is no z tells you that all points where the x- and y-coordinates satisfy the equation are part of the cylinder, regardless of the value of z. For example, if the equation is $(x-1)^2 + (y+2)^2 = 4$, then one of the points on the cylinder is (1,0,0), but so is (1,0,1) and (1,0,-1) and (1,0,5) and (1,0, -789) and so on. This means that the cylinder goes on forever both up and down.






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                          The equation of an object is a way of telling whether a point is part of an object -- if you substitute the coordinates of the point into the equation and the equation is true, then the point is on the object; if the equation is not true for that point, then the point is not on the object. There is no $z$ because the z-coordinate is not part of the decision of whether a point is on the cylinder.



                          The fact that there is no z tells you that all points where the x- and y-coordinates satisfy the equation are part of the cylinder, regardless of the value of z. For example, if the equation is $(x-1)^2 + (y+2)^2 = 4$, then one of the points on the cylinder is (1,0,0), but so is (1,0,1) and (1,0,-1) and (1,0,5) and (1,0, -789) and so on. This means that the cylinder goes on forever both up and down.






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                          The equation of an object is a way of telling whether a point is part of an object -- if you substitute the coordinates of the point into the equation and the equation is true, then the point is on the object; if the equation is not true for that point, then the point is not on the object. There is no $z$ because the z-coordinate is not part of the decision of whether a point is on the cylinder.



                          The fact that there is no z tells you that all points where the x- and y-coordinates satisfy the equation are part of the cylinder, regardless of the value of z. For example, if the equation is $(x-1)^2 + (y+2)^2 = 4$, then one of the points on the cylinder is (1,0,0), but so is (1,0,1) and (1,0,-1) and (1,0,5) and (1,0, -789) and so on. This means that the cylinder goes on forever both up and down.







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                              This is the implicit equation of a cylinder: a point $(x,y,z)$ lies on the cylinder if it satisfies the equation. The important thing here is in fact that $z$ does not occur in the equation. Which means that if some point $(x,y,z)$ lies on the cylinder, then another point $(x,y,z')$ which differs from the first only by a change in its $z$ coordinate will satisfy the same equation and therefore lie on the same cylinder. That's where the $z$ axis comes into play.



                              An alternative to these implicit equation sowuld be parametric equations, which describe how you compute the coordinates of points using three parameters, e.g. $(rsinvarphi+a,rcosvarphi+b,z)$ for $varphiin[0,2pi),zinmathbb R$.






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                                This is the implicit equation of a cylinder: a point $(x,y,z)$ lies on the cylinder if it satisfies the equation. The important thing here is in fact that $z$ does not occur in the equation. Which means that if some point $(x,y,z)$ lies on the cylinder, then another point $(x,y,z')$ which differs from the first only by a change in its $z$ coordinate will satisfy the same equation and therefore lie on the same cylinder. That's where the $z$ axis comes into play.



                                An alternative to these implicit equation sowuld be parametric equations, which describe how you compute the coordinates of points using three parameters, e.g. $(rsinvarphi+a,rcosvarphi+b,z)$ for $varphiin[0,2pi),zinmathbb R$.






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                                  This is the implicit equation of a cylinder: a point $(x,y,z)$ lies on the cylinder if it satisfies the equation. The important thing here is in fact that $z$ does not occur in the equation. Which means that if some point $(x,y,z)$ lies on the cylinder, then another point $(x,y,z')$ which differs from the first only by a change in its $z$ coordinate will satisfy the same equation and therefore lie on the same cylinder. That's where the $z$ axis comes into play.



                                  An alternative to these implicit equation sowuld be parametric equations, which describe how you compute the coordinates of points using three parameters, e.g. $(rsinvarphi+a,rcosvarphi+b,z)$ for $varphiin[0,2pi),zinmathbb R$.






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                                  This is the implicit equation of a cylinder: a point $(x,y,z)$ lies on the cylinder if it satisfies the equation. The important thing here is in fact that $z$ does not occur in the equation. Which means that if some point $(x,y,z)$ lies on the cylinder, then another point $(x,y,z')$ which differs from the first only by a change in its $z$ coordinate will satisfy the same equation and therefore lie on the same cylinder. That's where the $z$ axis comes into play.



                                  An alternative to these implicit equation sowuld be parametric equations, which describe how you compute the coordinates of points using three parameters, e.g. $(rsinvarphi+a,rcosvarphi+b,z)$ for $varphiin[0,2pi),zinmathbb R$.







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                                      If you really want an equation with z that support any cylinder position or rotation you can find it on another thread here :



                                      $$(y−z)^2+(z−x)^2+(x−y)^2=3R^2$$



                                      The link :
                                      Formula for cylinder



                                      I searched it for while so I leave it here to help any other person searching for it !






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                                        If you really want an equation with z that support any cylinder position or rotation you can find it on another thread here :



                                        $$(y−z)^2+(z−x)^2+(x−y)^2=3R^2$$



                                        The link :
                                        Formula for cylinder



                                        I searched it for while so I leave it here to help any other person searching for it !






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                                          up vote
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                                          If you really want an equation with z that support any cylinder position or rotation you can find it on another thread here :



                                          $$(y−z)^2+(z−x)^2+(x−y)^2=3R^2$$



                                          The link :
                                          Formula for cylinder



                                          I searched it for while so I leave it here to help any other person searching for it !






                                          share|cite|improve this answer












                                          If you really want an equation with z that support any cylinder position or rotation you can find it on another thread here :



                                          $$(y−z)^2+(z−x)^2+(x−y)^2=3R^2$$



                                          The link :
                                          Formula for cylinder



                                          I searched it for while so I leave it here to help any other person searching for it !







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                                              The equation $(x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 = r^2$ describes a circle on the x/y plane; of radius $r$ and centre $(a, b)$. It's solutions include all the combinations of $x$ and $y$ that make up a two dimensional circle, and no other points.



                                              Now for 3d space we have a z-axis too, For which values of $z$ is the equation true?



                                              Since $z$ is not mention in the equation, its true for all $z$, positive, zero or negative.



                                              The equation therefore describes an infinite cylinder.






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                                                The equation $(x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 = r^2$ describes a circle on the x/y plane; of radius $r$ and centre $(a, b)$. It's solutions include all the combinations of $x$ and $y$ that make up a two dimensional circle, and no other points.



                                                Now for 3d space we have a z-axis too, For which values of $z$ is the equation true?



                                                Since $z$ is not mention in the equation, its true for all $z$, positive, zero or negative.



                                                The equation therefore describes an infinite cylinder.






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                                                  The equation $(x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 = r^2$ describes a circle on the x/y plane; of radius $r$ and centre $(a, b)$. It's solutions include all the combinations of $x$ and $y$ that make up a two dimensional circle, and no other points.



                                                  Now for 3d space we have a z-axis too, For which values of $z$ is the equation true?



                                                  Since $z$ is not mention in the equation, its true for all $z$, positive, zero or negative.



                                                  The equation therefore describes an infinite cylinder.






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                                                  The equation $(x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 = r^2$ describes a circle on the x/y plane; of radius $r$ and centre $(a, b)$. It's solutions include all the combinations of $x$ and $y$ that make up a two dimensional circle, and no other points.



                                                  Now for 3d space we have a z-axis too, For which values of $z$ is the equation true?



                                                  Since $z$ is not mention in the equation, its true for all $z$, positive, zero or negative.



                                                  The equation therefore describes an infinite cylinder.







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                                                      An equation for a smoothed cylinder can be :



                                                      $$ x^2+y^2+z^{2n} = 1 $$



                                                      with $ninmathbb{N}$, $nneq0$.



                                                      The greater the $n$ the smoother the top and bottom edges resulting from the "cut" of the infinite cylinder.



                                                      See for example https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+x%5E2%2By%5E2%2Bz%5E20+%3D+1



                                                      smoothed cylinder






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                                                        An equation for a smoothed cylinder can be :



                                                        $$ x^2+y^2+z^{2n} = 1 $$



                                                        with $ninmathbb{N}$, $nneq0$.



                                                        The greater the $n$ the smoother the top and bottom edges resulting from the "cut" of the infinite cylinder.



                                                        See for example https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+x%5E2%2By%5E2%2Bz%5E20+%3D+1



                                                        smoothed cylinder






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                                                          An equation for a smoothed cylinder can be :



                                                          $$ x^2+y^2+z^{2n} = 1 $$



                                                          with $ninmathbb{N}$, $nneq0$.



                                                          The greater the $n$ the smoother the top and bottom edges resulting from the "cut" of the infinite cylinder.



                                                          See for example https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+x%5E2%2By%5E2%2Bz%5E20+%3D+1



                                                          smoothed cylinder






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                                                          An equation for a smoothed cylinder can be :



                                                          $$ x^2+y^2+z^{2n} = 1 $$



                                                          with $ninmathbb{N}$, $nneq0$.



                                                          The greater the $n$ the smoother the top and bottom edges resulting from the "cut" of the infinite cylinder.



                                                          See for example https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+x%5E2%2By%5E2%2Bz%5E20+%3D+1



                                                          smoothed cylinder







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