When I complete the square on $3x^2 - 12x + 14$ I get an imaginary number, where have I gone wrong?











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I have a question in my excersise book:




By completing the square show that the expression $3x^2 - 12x + 14$ is positive for all $x$




My approach was to complete the square and rearrange to make $x$ the subject.



The answer I came to after completing the square was $(sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3})^2+2$.



However I get a negative square root:



$$(sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3})^2+2 = 0$$
$$(sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3})^2 = -2$$
$$sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3} = sqrt{-2}$$
$$sqrt{3}x = 2sqrt{3} +- sqrt {-2}$$
$$x = (2sqrt{3} +- sqrt {-2})/3$$



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    I have a question in my excersise book:




    By completing the square show that the expression $3x^2 - 12x + 14$ is positive for all $x$




    My approach was to complete the square and rearrange to make $x$ the subject.



    The answer I came to after completing the square was $(sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3})^2+2$.



    However I get a negative square root:



    $$(sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3})^2+2 = 0$$
    $$(sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3})^2 = -2$$
    $$sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3} = sqrt{-2}$$
    $$sqrt{3}x = 2sqrt{3} +- sqrt {-2}$$
    $$x = (2sqrt{3} +- sqrt {-2})/3$$



    Bad formatting: $+-$ means either $+$ or $-$



    Where have I gone wrong?










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      I have a question in my excersise book:




      By completing the square show that the expression $3x^2 - 12x + 14$ is positive for all $x$




      My approach was to complete the square and rearrange to make $x$ the subject.



      The answer I came to after completing the square was $(sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3})^2+2$.



      However I get a negative square root:



      $$(sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3})^2+2 = 0$$
      $$(sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3})^2 = -2$$
      $$sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3} = sqrt{-2}$$
      $$sqrt{3}x = 2sqrt{3} +- sqrt {-2}$$
      $$x = (2sqrt{3} +- sqrt {-2})/3$$



      Bad formatting: $+-$ means either $+$ or $-$



      Where have I gone wrong?










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      I have a question in my excersise book:




      By completing the square show that the expression $3x^2 - 12x + 14$ is positive for all $x$




      My approach was to complete the square and rearrange to make $x$ the subject.



      The answer I came to after completing the square was $(sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3})^2+2$.



      However I get a negative square root:



      $$(sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3})^2+2 = 0$$
      $$(sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3})^2 = -2$$
      $$sqrt {3}x - 2sqrt{3} = sqrt{-2}$$
      $$sqrt{3}x = 2sqrt{3} +- sqrt {-2}$$
      $$x = (2sqrt{3} +- sqrt {-2})/3$$



      Bad formatting: $+-$ means either $+$ or $-$



      Where have I gone wrong?







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          You haven't gone wrong per se. You've just gone a step too far. No need to solve the equation or factor anything. Just note that when you have
          $$
          (sqrt 3x - 2sqrt3)^2 + 2
          $$

          then that's a square (which is non-negative) plus $2$, which necessarily makes the value of the entire expression strictly positive, no matter what $x$ is.






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          • Thank you. That was much easier than I expected it to be, I'll accept your answer as soon as I can
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          You haven't gone wrong. By finding the expression for $x$ after completing the square, you are looking for solutions to the equation $3x^2 - 12x + 14 = 0$. You find that there are no (real) solutions, which means that the graph of this parabola never touches the $x$-axis. Because this is a "valley parabola", certainly it will be positive somewhere; that means it is always positive, because it never crosses or touches the $x$-axis.






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            Do you have to do it exactly that way? Another is to take the factor of 3 (the coefficient of $x^2$) outside, & put it back at the end, to get $$3(x-2)^2+2 .$$ Certainly, this shows just as well that the expression is always positive.






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              In general, remember that a negative radicand does not imply you went wrong anywhere. If anything, it is simply another way to point out that the graph never crosses the $x$-axis (hence no real roots), and since $a > 0$, the graph lies entirely above the $x$-axis, which means the quadratic is always positive.






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                You haven't gone wrong per se. You've just gone a step too far. No need to solve the equation or factor anything. Just note that when you have
                $$
                (sqrt 3x - 2sqrt3)^2 + 2
                $$

                then that's a square (which is non-negative) plus $2$, which necessarily makes the value of the entire expression strictly positive, no matter what $x$ is.






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                • Thank you. That was much easier than I expected it to be, I'll accept your answer as soon as I can
                  – Simon
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                You haven't gone wrong per se. You've just gone a step too far. No need to solve the equation or factor anything. Just note that when you have
                $$
                (sqrt 3x - 2sqrt3)^2 + 2
                $$

                then that's a square (which is non-negative) plus $2$, which necessarily makes the value of the entire expression strictly positive, no matter what $x$ is.






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                • Thank you. That was much easier than I expected it to be, I'll accept your answer as soon as I can
                  – Simon
                  Dec 3 at 12:21













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                You haven't gone wrong per se. You've just gone a step too far. No need to solve the equation or factor anything. Just note that when you have
                $$
                (sqrt 3x - 2sqrt3)^2 + 2
                $$

                then that's a square (which is non-negative) plus $2$, which necessarily makes the value of the entire expression strictly positive, no matter what $x$ is.






                share|cite|improve this answer












                You haven't gone wrong per se. You've just gone a step too far. No need to solve the equation or factor anything. Just note that when you have
                $$
                (sqrt 3x - 2sqrt3)^2 + 2
                $$

                then that's a square (which is non-negative) plus $2$, which necessarily makes the value of the entire expression strictly positive, no matter what $x$ is.







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                answered Dec 3 at 12:17









                Arthur

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                • Thank you. That was much easier than I expected it to be, I'll accept your answer as soon as I can
                  – Simon
                  Dec 3 at 12:21


















                • Thank you. That was much easier than I expected it to be, I'll accept your answer as soon as I can
                  – Simon
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                Thank you. That was much easier than I expected it to be, I'll accept your answer as soon as I can
                – Simon
                Dec 3 at 12:21




                Thank you. That was much easier than I expected it to be, I'll accept your answer as soon as I can
                – Simon
                Dec 3 at 12:21










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                You haven't gone wrong. By finding the expression for $x$ after completing the square, you are looking for solutions to the equation $3x^2 - 12x + 14 = 0$. You find that there are no (real) solutions, which means that the graph of this parabola never touches the $x$-axis. Because this is a "valley parabola", certainly it will be positive somewhere; that means it is always positive, because it never crosses or touches the $x$-axis.






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                  You haven't gone wrong. By finding the expression for $x$ after completing the square, you are looking for solutions to the equation $3x^2 - 12x + 14 = 0$. You find that there are no (real) solutions, which means that the graph of this parabola never touches the $x$-axis. Because this is a "valley parabola", certainly it will be positive somewhere; that means it is always positive, because it never crosses or touches the $x$-axis.






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                    You haven't gone wrong. By finding the expression for $x$ after completing the square, you are looking for solutions to the equation $3x^2 - 12x + 14 = 0$. You find that there are no (real) solutions, which means that the graph of this parabola never touches the $x$-axis. Because this is a "valley parabola", certainly it will be positive somewhere; that means it is always positive, because it never crosses or touches the $x$-axis.






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                    You haven't gone wrong. By finding the expression for $x$ after completing the square, you are looking for solutions to the equation $3x^2 - 12x + 14 = 0$. You find that there are no (real) solutions, which means that the graph of this parabola never touches the $x$-axis. Because this is a "valley parabola", certainly it will be positive somewhere; that means it is always positive, because it never crosses or touches the $x$-axis.







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                    answered Dec 3 at 12:20









                    Mees de Vries

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                        Do you have to do it exactly that way? Another is to take the factor of 3 (the coefficient of $x^2$) outside, & put it back at the end, to get $$3(x-2)^2+2 .$$ Certainly, this shows just as well that the expression is always positive.






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                          Do you have to do it exactly that way? Another is to take the factor of 3 (the coefficient of $x^2$) outside, & put it back at the end, to get $$3(x-2)^2+2 .$$ Certainly, this shows just as well that the expression is always positive.






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                            Do you have to do it exactly that way? Another is to take the factor of 3 (the coefficient of $x^2$) outside, & put it back at the end, to get $$3(x-2)^2+2 .$$ Certainly, this shows just as well that the expression is always positive.






                            share|cite|improve this answer












                            Do you have to do it exactly that way? Another is to take the factor of 3 (the coefficient of $x^2$) outside, & put it back at the end, to get $$3(x-2)^2+2 .$$ Certainly, this shows just as well that the expression is always positive.







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                            answered Dec 3 at 12:38









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                                In general, remember that a negative radicand does not imply you went wrong anywhere. If anything, it is simply another way to point out that the graph never crosses the $x$-axis (hence no real roots), and since $a > 0$, the graph lies entirely above the $x$-axis, which means the quadratic is always positive.






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                                  In general, remember that a negative radicand does not imply you went wrong anywhere. If anything, it is simply another way to point out that the graph never crosses the $x$-axis (hence no real roots), and since $a > 0$, the graph lies entirely above the $x$-axis, which means the quadratic is always positive.






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                                    In general, remember that a negative radicand does not imply you went wrong anywhere. If anything, it is simply another way to point out that the graph never crosses the $x$-axis (hence no real roots), and since $a > 0$, the graph lies entirely above the $x$-axis, which means the quadratic is always positive.






                                    share|cite|improve this answer












                                    In general, remember that a negative radicand does not imply you went wrong anywhere. If anything, it is simply another way to point out that the graph never crosses the $x$-axis (hence no real roots), and since $a > 0$, the graph lies entirely above the $x$-axis, which means the quadratic is always positive.







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                                    answered Dec 3 at 12:25









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