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In the above diagram, $ABCD$ is a Trapizium with $AD || BC$ and $BC perp AB$

$AB = 20, ; AD = 6,; BC = 30$

$M$ is a point on $DC$ such that $[ADMB] = [BMC]$, where $[x]$ denotes the area of $x$.

The length of $MC$ can be expressed as $dfrac{a}{b} sqrt{c}$.

Find the length of $MC$.

I can't find a way to start. Any hint will be helpful.










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    In the above diagram, $ABCD$ is a Trapizium with $AD || BC$ and $BC perp AB$

    $AB = 20, ; AD = 6,; BC = 30$

    $M$ is a point on $DC$ such that $[ADMB] = [BMC]$, where $[x]$ denotes the area of $x$.

    The length of $MC$ can be expressed as $dfrac{a}{b} sqrt{c}$.

    Find the length of $MC$.

    I can't find a way to start. Any hint will be helpful.










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      In the above diagram, $ABCD$ is a Trapizium with $AD || BC$ and $BC perp AB$

      $AB = 20, ; AD = 6,; BC = 30$

      $M$ is a point on $DC$ such that $[ADMB] = [BMC]$, where $[x]$ denotes the area of $x$.

      The length of $MC$ can be expressed as $dfrac{a}{b} sqrt{c}$.

      Find the length of $MC$.

      I can't find a way to start. Any hint will be helpful.










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      In the above diagram, $ABCD$ is a Trapizium with $AD || BC$ and $BC perp AB$

      $AB = 20, ; AD = 6,; BC = 30$

      $M$ is a point on $DC$ such that $[ADMB] = [BMC]$, where $[x]$ denotes the area of $x$.

      The length of $MC$ can be expressed as $dfrac{a}{b} sqrt{c}$.

      Find the length of $MC$.

      I can't find a way to start. Any hint will be helpful.







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          Hint: You can set up coordinates with the origin at A, D at (6,0), B at (0,20), C at (30,20). Then you can let t be the ratio DM/DC so that M becomes D+t(C-D). Note if you find t you can finish.



          The other thing is to express each area in terms of t and equate the two expressions. There is a formula for area of a convex polygon once one lists the vertices in counterclockwise order. It is 1/2 times the "downs" minus the "ups". Here each down or up is a product of some coordinates. For example for vertices (1,3), (2,4), (0,2) the downs are 1*4,2*2,0*3 while the ups are 1*2,2*3,0*4. This works for more points, there are then just more "downs" and "ups"



          Added note: The equation of equal areas will be linear in t with integer coefficients, so t will end up rational. Also side DC has length the squareroot of an integer. So getting an answer $(a/b)sqrt{c}$ will follow.



          Some more details:



          The formula for area mentioned above, if $(a_1,b_1),(a_2,b_2),...,(a_k,b_k)$ is a list of the vertices of a convex polygon going around the boundary in the counterclockwise direction, is $A=(1/2)[D-U]$ where
          $$D=a_1b_2+a_2b_3+...+a_{n-1}b_n+a_nb_1,$$
          and
          $$U=a_1b_n+a_2b_1+...+a_n b_{n-1}.$$



          Now consider a general version of your diagram, where $A=(0,0), B=(0,b), C=(c,b), D=(a,0).$ Then the point $M=D+t(C-D)$ has coordinates $(a+t(c-a),tb).$ When these coordinates are put in to find the areas of the quadrilateral part and the triangle, we find that twice their areas come out $b(ct+a)$ for the quadrilateral and $b(c-ct)$ for the triangle. Equating these (doubled) areas then gives $t=(c-a)/2c.$ [Interesting here is no $b$ occurs in this $t.$]



          For the actual length of $MC$ we need to use $(1-t)$ since I set up the ratio as $DM/DC$ rather than what I should have done, namely $MC/DC.$ Then since $1-t=(c+a)/2c,$ it is this fraction which is to be multiplied by the length of $DC$ and that length is $sqrt{(c-a)^2+b^2}.$



          Note the answer expected may assume that one removes the square part of the integer inside the radical, and combining it with the fraction for $1-t.$






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            Note:- In the following, quantities a ~ g can easily be found.




            1. [⊿ABD] = a


            2. [Trap ABCD] = b


            3. [⊿BDC] = c


            4. CD = g



            Since BM divides the whole figure into two equal halves (of area = d each), [⊿BDM] = e (= d - a).



            If this is so, we can let [⊿BMC] = f. M should be at a place that divides [⊿BDC] in the ratio $e : f$. $MC = dfrac {f}{e + f} g$.






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              Hint: You can set up coordinates with the origin at A, D at (6,0), B at (0,20), C at (30,20). Then you can let t be the ratio DM/DC so that M becomes D+t(C-D). Note if you find t you can finish.



              The other thing is to express each area in terms of t and equate the two expressions. There is a formula for area of a convex polygon once one lists the vertices in counterclockwise order. It is 1/2 times the "downs" minus the "ups". Here each down or up is a product of some coordinates. For example for vertices (1,3), (2,4), (0,2) the downs are 1*4,2*2,0*3 while the ups are 1*2,2*3,0*4. This works for more points, there are then just more "downs" and "ups"



              Added note: The equation of equal areas will be linear in t with integer coefficients, so t will end up rational. Also side DC has length the squareroot of an integer. So getting an answer $(a/b)sqrt{c}$ will follow.



              Some more details:



              The formula for area mentioned above, if $(a_1,b_1),(a_2,b_2),...,(a_k,b_k)$ is a list of the vertices of a convex polygon going around the boundary in the counterclockwise direction, is $A=(1/2)[D-U]$ where
              $$D=a_1b_2+a_2b_3+...+a_{n-1}b_n+a_nb_1,$$
              and
              $$U=a_1b_n+a_2b_1+...+a_n b_{n-1}.$$



              Now consider a general version of your diagram, where $A=(0,0), B=(0,b), C=(c,b), D=(a,0).$ Then the point $M=D+t(C-D)$ has coordinates $(a+t(c-a),tb).$ When these coordinates are put in to find the areas of the quadrilateral part and the triangle, we find that twice their areas come out $b(ct+a)$ for the quadrilateral and $b(c-ct)$ for the triangle. Equating these (doubled) areas then gives $t=(c-a)/2c.$ [Interesting here is no $b$ occurs in this $t.$]



              For the actual length of $MC$ we need to use $(1-t)$ since I set up the ratio as $DM/DC$ rather than what I should have done, namely $MC/DC.$ Then since $1-t=(c+a)/2c,$ it is this fraction which is to be multiplied by the length of $DC$ and that length is $sqrt{(c-a)^2+b^2}.$



              Note the answer expected may assume that one removes the square part of the integer inside the radical, and combining it with the fraction for $1-t.$






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                Hint: You can set up coordinates with the origin at A, D at (6,0), B at (0,20), C at (30,20). Then you can let t be the ratio DM/DC so that M becomes D+t(C-D). Note if you find t you can finish.



                The other thing is to express each area in terms of t and equate the two expressions. There is a formula for area of a convex polygon once one lists the vertices in counterclockwise order. It is 1/2 times the "downs" minus the "ups". Here each down or up is a product of some coordinates. For example for vertices (1,3), (2,4), (0,2) the downs are 1*4,2*2,0*3 while the ups are 1*2,2*3,0*4. This works for more points, there are then just more "downs" and "ups"



                Added note: The equation of equal areas will be linear in t with integer coefficients, so t will end up rational. Also side DC has length the squareroot of an integer. So getting an answer $(a/b)sqrt{c}$ will follow.



                Some more details:



                The formula for area mentioned above, if $(a_1,b_1),(a_2,b_2),...,(a_k,b_k)$ is a list of the vertices of a convex polygon going around the boundary in the counterclockwise direction, is $A=(1/2)[D-U]$ where
                $$D=a_1b_2+a_2b_3+...+a_{n-1}b_n+a_nb_1,$$
                and
                $$U=a_1b_n+a_2b_1+...+a_n b_{n-1}.$$



                Now consider a general version of your diagram, where $A=(0,0), B=(0,b), C=(c,b), D=(a,0).$ Then the point $M=D+t(C-D)$ has coordinates $(a+t(c-a),tb).$ When these coordinates are put in to find the areas of the quadrilateral part and the triangle, we find that twice their areas come out $b(ct+a)$ for the quadrilateral and $b(c-ct)$ for the triangle. Equating these (doubled) areas then gives $t=(c-a)/2c.$ [Interesting here is no $b$ occurs in this $t.$]



                For the actual length of $MC$ we need to use $(1-t)$ since I set up the ratio as $DM/DC$ rather than what I should have done, namely $MC/DC.$ Then since $1-t=(c+a)/2c,$ it is this fraction which is to be multiplied by the length of $DC$ and that length is $sqrt{(c-a)^2+b^2}.$



                Note the answer expected may assume that one removes the square part of the integer inside the radical, and combining it with the fraction for $1-t.$






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                  Hint: You can set up coordinates with the origin at A, D at (6,0), B at (0,20), C at (30,20). Then you can let t be the ratio DM/DC so that M becomes D+t(C-D). Note if you find t you can finish.



                  The other thing is to express each area in terms of t and equate the two expressions. There is a formula for area of a convex polygon once one lists the vertices in counterclockwise order. It is 1/2 times the "downs" minus the "ups". Here each down or up is a product of some coordinates. For example for vertices (1,3), (2,4), (0,2) the downs are 1*4,2*2,0*3 while the ups are 1*2,2*3,0*4. This works for more points, there are then just more "downs" and "ups"



                  Added note: The equation of equal areas will be linear in t with integer coefficients, so t will end up rational. Also side DC has length the squareroot of an integer. So getting an answer $(a/b)sqrt{c}$ will follow.



                  Some more details:



                  The formula for area mentioned above, if $(a_1,b_1),(a_2,b_2),...,(a_k,b_k)$ is a list of the vertices of a convex polygon going around the boundary in the counterclockwise direction, is $A=(1/2)[D-U]$ where
                  $$D=a_1b_2+a_2b_3+...+a_{n-1}b_n+a_nb_1,$$
                  and
                  $$U=a_1b_n+a_2b_1+...+a_n b_{n-1}.$$



                  Now consider a general version of your diagram, where $A=(0,0), B=(0,b), C=(c,b), D=(a,0).$ Then the point $M=D+t(C-D)$ has coordinates $(a+t(c-a),tb).$ When these coordinates are put in to find the areas of the quadrilateral part and the triangle, we find that twice their areas come out $b(ct+a)$ for the quadrilateral and $b(c-ct)$ for the triangle. Equating these (doubled) areas then gives $t=(c-a)/2c.$ [Interesting here is no $b$ occurs in this $t.$]



                  For the actual length of $MC$ we need to use $(1-t)$ since I set up the ratio as $DM/DC$ rather than what I should have done, namely $MC/DC.$ Then since $1-t=(c+a)/2c,$ it is this fraction which is to be multiplied by the length of $DC$ and that length is $sqrt{(c-a)^2+b^2}.$



                  Note the answer expected may assume that one removes the square part of the integer inside the radical, and combining it with the fraction for $1-t.$






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                  Hint: You can set up coordinates with the origin at A, D at (6,0), B at (0,20), C at (30,20). Then you can let t be the ratio DM/DC so that M becomes D+t(C-D). Note if you find t you can finish.



                  The other thing is to express each area in terms of t and equate the two expressions. There is a formula for area of a convex polygon once one lists the vertices in counterclockwise order. It is 1/2 times the "downs" minus the "ups". Here each down or up is a product of some coordinates. For example for vertices (1,3), (2,4), (0,2) the downs are 1*4,2*2,0*3 while the ups are 1*2,2*3,0*4. This works for more points, there are then just more "downs" and "ups"



                  Added note: The equation of equal areas will be linear in t with integer coefficients, so t will end up rational. Also side DC has length the squareroot of an integer. So getting an answer $(a/b)sqrt{c}$ will follow.



                  Some more details:



                  The formula for area mentioned above, if $(a_1,b_1),(a_2,b_2),...,(a_k,b_k)$ is a list of the vertices of a convex polygon going around the boundary in the counterclockwise direction, is $A=(1/2)[D-U]$ where
                  $$D=a_1b_2+a_2b_3+...+a_{n-1}b_n+a_nb_1,$$
                  and
                  $$U=a_1b_n+a_2b_1+...+a_n b_{n-1}.$$



                  Now consider a general version of your diagram, where $A=(0,0), B=(0,b), C=(c,b), D=(a,0).$ Then the point $M=D+t(C-D)$ has coordinates $(a+t(c-a),tb).$ When these coordinates are put in to find the areas of the quadrilateral part and the triangle, we find that twice their areas come out $b(ct+a)$ for the quadrilateral and $b(c-ct)$ for the triangle. Equating these (doubled) areas then gives $t=(c-a)/2c.$ [Interesting here is no $b$ occurs in this $t.$]



                  For the actual length of $MC$ we need to use $(1-t)$ since I set up the ratio as $DM/DC$ rather than what I should have done, namely $MC/DC.$ Then since $1-t=(c+a)/2c,$ it is this fraction which is to be multiplied by the length of $DC$ and that length is $sqrt{(c-a)^2+b^2}.$



                  Note the answer expected may assume that one removes the square part of the integer inside the radical, and combining it with the fraction for $1-t.$







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                      Note:- In the following, quantities a ~ g can easily be found.




                      1. [⊿ABD] = a


                      2. [Trap ABCD] = b


                      3. [⊿BDC] = c


                      4. CD = g



                      Since BM divides the whole figure into two equal halves (of area = d each), [⊿BDM] = e (= d - a).



                      If this is so, we can let [⊿BMC] = f. M should be at a place that divides [⊿BDC] in the ratio $e : f$. $MC = dfrac {f}{e + f} g$.






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                        Note:- In the following, quantities a ~ g can easily be found.




                        1. [⊿ABD] = a


                        2. [Trap ABCD] = b


                        3. [⊿BDC] = c


                        4. CD = g



                        Since BM divides the whole figure into two equal halves (of area = d each), [⊿BDM] = e (= d - a).



                        If this is so, we can let [⊿BMC] = f. M should be at a place that divides [⊿BDC] in the ratio $e : f$. $MC = dfrac {f}{e + f} g$.






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                          Note:- In the following, quantities a ~ g can easily be found.




                          1. [⊿ABD] = a


                          2. [Trap ABCD] = b


                          3. [⊿BDC] = c


                          4. CD = g



                          Since BM divides the whole figure into two equal halves (of area = d each), [⊿BDM] = e (= d - a).



                          If this is so, we can let [⊿BMC] = f. M should be at a place that divides [⊿BDC] in the ratio $e : f$. $MC = dfrac {f}{e + f} g$.






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                          enter image description here



                          Note:- In the following, quantities a ~ g can easily be found.




                          1. [⊿ABD] = a


                          2. [Trap ABCD] = b


                          3. [⊿BDC] = c


                          4. CD = g



                          Since BM divides the whole figure into two equal halves (of area = d each), [⊿BDM] = e (= d - a).



                          If this is so, we can let [⊿BMC] = f. M should be at a place that divides [⊿BDC] in the ratio $e : f$. $MC = dfrac {f}{e + f} g$.







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