$mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}} otimes mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}} subset mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}^2}$












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The Borel $sigma$-algebra of $mathbb{R}^n$, $mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}$, is defined as the smallest $sigma$-algebra of $mathbb{R}^n$ containing the open sets of $mathbb{R}^n$ for its usual topology.



The Lebesgue $sigma$-algebra of $mathbb{R}^n$, $mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}^n}$, is characterized as the set of all subsets $A$ of $mathbb{R}^n$ that can be written as $A = B cup N$, where $B$ is a Borel set and $N$ is a null-set (with respect to the Borel-Lebesgue measure). It is the completion of $mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}$ with respect to the Borel-Lebesgue measure : $mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}^n} = widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}}$.



I know that $mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^2} = mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}} otimes mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}$.



I want to show the following (clearly) equivalent assertions :





  • $mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}} otimes mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}} subset
    mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}^2}$


  • $widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} otimes
    widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} subset
    widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^2}}$


  • $widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} otimes
    widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} subset
    widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}} otimes
    mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}}$
    .





I think that what I need to show is that if $B_1$, $B_2$ are Borel sets of $mathbb{R}$ and $N_1$, $N_2$ null sets of $mathbb{R}$, then $(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)$ is a null-set of $mathbb{R}^2$.



Thanks.





Edit :



@G. Sassatelli : Thank you for pointing out this already existing topic. Nevertheless, they don't explain there why $(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)$ is a null-set of $mathbb{R}^2$. So here is my new question :




Let $B_1$, $B_2$ be Borel sets of $mathbb{R}$ and $N_1$, $N_2$ be
null sets of $mathbb{R}$.



Why is $(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)$
a null-set of $mathbb{R}^2$ ?











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    $begingroup$


    The Borel $sigma$-algebra of $mathbb{R}^n$, $mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}$, is defined as the smallest $sigma$-algebra of $mathbb{R}^n$ containing the open sets of $mathbb{R}^n$ for its usual topology.



    The Lebesgue $sigma$-algebra of $mathbb{R}^n$, $mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}^n}$, is characterized as the set of all subsets $A$ of $mathbb{R}^n$ that can be written as $A = B cup N$, where $B$ is a Borel set and $N$ is a null-set (with respect to the Borel-Lebesgue measure). It is the completion of $mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}$ with respect to the Borel-Lebesgue measure : $mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}^n} = widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}}$.



    I know that $mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^2} = mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}} otimes mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}$.



    I want to show the following (clearly) equivalent assertions :





    • $mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}} otimes mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}} subset
      mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}^2}$


    • $widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} otimes
      widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} subset
      widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^2}}$


    • $widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} otimes
      widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} subset
      widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}} otimes
      mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}}$
      .





    I think that what I need to show is that if $B_1$, $B_2$ are Borel sets of $mathbb{R}$ and $N_1$, $N_2$ null sets of $mathbb{R}$, then $(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)$ is a null-set of $mathbb{R}^2$.



    Thanks.





    Edit :



    @G. Sassatelli : Thank you for pointing out this already existing topic. Nevertheless, they don't explain there why $(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)$ is a null-set of $mathbb{R}^2$. So here is my new question :




    Let $B_1$, $B_2$ be Borel sets of $mathbb{R}$ and $N_1$, $N_2$ be
    null sets of $mathbb{R}$.



    Why is $(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)$
    a null-set of $mathbb{R}^2$ ?











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      $begingroup$


      The Borel $sigma$-algebra of $mathbb{R}^n$, $mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}$, is defined as the smallest $sigma$-algebra of $mathbb{R}^n$ containing the open sets of $mathbb{R}^n$ for its usual topology.



      The Lebesgue $sigma$-algebra of $mathbb{R}^n$, $mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}^n}$, is characterized as the set of all subsets $A$ of $mathbb{R}^n$ that can be written as $A = B cup N$, where $B$ is a Borel set and $N$ is a null-set (with respect to the Borel-Lebesgue measure). It is the completion of $mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}$ with respect to the Borel-Lebesgue measure : $mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}^n} = widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}}$.



      I know that $mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^2} = mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}} otimes mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}$.



      I want to show the following (clearly) equivalent assertions :





      • $mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}} otimes mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}} subset
        mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}^2}$


      • $widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} otimes
        widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} subset
        widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^2}}$


      • $widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} otimes
        widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} subset
        widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}} otimes
        mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}}$
        .





      I think that what I need to show is that if $B_1$, $B_2$ are Borel sets of $mathbb{R}$ and $N_1$, $N_2$ null sets of $mathbb{R}$, then $(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)$ is a null-set of $mathbb{R}^2$.



      Thanks.





      Edit :



      @G. Sassatelli : Thank you for pointing out this already existing topic. Nevertheless, they don't explain there why $(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)$ is a null-set of $mathbb{R}^2$. So here is my new question :




      Let $B_1$, $B_2$ be Borel sets of $mathbb{R}$ and $N_1$, $N_2$ be
      null sets of $mathbb{R}$.



      Why is $(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)$
      a null-set of $mathbb{R}^2$ ?











      share|cite|improve this question











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      The Borel $sigma$-algebra of $mathbb{R}^n$, $mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}$, is defined as the smallest $sigma$-algebra of $mathbb{R}^n$ containing the open sets of $mathbb{R}^n$ for its usual topology.



      The Lebesgue $sigma$-algebra of $mathbb{R}^n$, $mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}^n}$, is characterized as the set of all subsets $A$ of $mathbb{R}^n$ that can be written as $A = B cup N$, where $B$ is a Borel set and $N$ is a null-set (with respect to the Borel-Lebesgue measure). It is the completion of $mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}$ with respect to the Borel-Lebesgue measure : $mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}^n} = widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^n}}$.



      I know that $mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^2} = mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}} otimes mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}$.



      I want to show the following (clearly) equivalent assertions :





      • $mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}} otimes mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}} subset
        mathcal{L}_{mathbb{R}^2}$


      • $widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} otimes
        widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} subset
        widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}^2}}$


      • $widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} otimes
        widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}} subset
        widehat{mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}} otimes
        mathcal{B}_{mathbb{R}}}$
        .





      I think that what I need to show is that if $B_1$, $B_2$ are Borel sets of $mathbb{R}$ and $N_1$, $N_2$ null sets of $mathbb{R}$, then $(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)$ is a null-set of $mathbb{R}^2$.



      Thanks.





      Edit :



      @G. Sassatelli : Thank you for pointing out this already existing topic. Nevertheless, they don't explain there why $(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)$ is a null-set of $mathbb{R}^2$. So here is my new question :




      Let $B_1$, $B_2$ be Borel sets of $mathbb{R}$ and $N_1$, $N_2$ be
      null sets of $mathbb{R}$.



      Why is $(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)$
      a null-set of $mathbb{R}^2$ ?








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          In order to see that
          $$
          S=(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)=S_1cup S_2cup S_3.$$

          is a null-set of $mathbb R^2$, it suffices to show that if $A$ is a Borel-measurable set and $N$ a null-set, then $Atimes N$ is a null-set. This would prove that $S_1$ is a null-set; for $S_2$ it work similarly with switched coordinates and for $S_3$ pick a Borel set $A$ of measure $0$ containing $N_1$.



          Since $N$ is a null-set, there exists a Borel-measurable set $N'$ containing $N$ and whose Lebesgue measure is $0$. Therefore, $Atimes Nsubset Atimes N'$, and the latter is a Borel subset of $mathbb R^2$ of measure zero.






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            In order to see that
            $$
            S=(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)=S_1cup S_2cup S_3.$$

            is a null-set of $mathbb R^2$, it suffices to show that if $A$ is a Borel-measurable set and $N$ a null-set, then $Atimes N$ is a null-set. This would prove that $S_1$ is a null-set; for $S_2$ it work similarly with switched coordinates and for $S_3$ pick a Borel set $A$ of measure $0$ containing $N_1$.



            Since $N$ is a null-set, there exists a Borel-measurable set $N'$ containing $N$ and whose Lebesgue measure is $0$. Therefore, $Atimes Nsubset Atimes N'$, and the latter is a Borel subset of $mathbb R^2$ of measure zero.






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              In order to see that
              $$
              S=(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)=S_1cup S_2cup S_3.$$

              is a null-set of $mathbb R^2$, it suffices to show that if $A$ is a Borel-measurable set and $N$ a null-set, then $Atimes N$ is a null-set. This would prove that $S_1$ is a null-set; for $S_2$ it work similarly with switched coordinates and for $S_3$ pick a Borel set $A$ of measure $0$ containing $N_1$.



              Since $N$ is a null-set, there exists a Borel-measurable set $N'$ containing $N$ and whose Lebesgue measure is $0$. Therefore, $Atimes Nsubset Atimes N'$, and the latter is a Borel subset of $mathbb R^2$ of measure zero.






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                In order to see that
                $$
                S=(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)=S_1cup S_2cup S_3.$$

                is a null-set of $mathbb R^2$, it suffices to show that if $A$ is a Borel-measurable set and $N$ a null-set, then $Atimes N$ is a null-set. This would prove that $S_1$ is a null-set; for $S_2$ it work similarly with switched coordinates and for $S_3$ pick a Borel set $A$ of measure $0$ containing $N_1$.



                Since $N$ is a null-set, there exists a Borel-measurable set $N'$ containing $N$ and whose Lebesgue measure is $0$. Therefore, $Atimes Nsubset Atimes N'$, and the latter is a Borel subset of $mathbb R^2$ of measure zero.






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                In order to see that
                $$
                S=(B_1 times N_2) cup (N_1 times B_2) cup (N_1 times N_2)=S_1cup S_2cup S_3.$$

                is a null-set of $mathbb R^2$, it suffices to show that if $A$ is a Borel-measurable set and $N$ a null-set, then $Atimes N$ is a null-set. This would prove that $S_1$ is a null-set; for $S_2$ it work similarly with switched coordinates and for $S_3$ pick a Borel set $A$ of measure $0$ containing $N_1$.



                Since $N$ is a null-set, there exists a Borel-measurable set $N'$ containing $N$ and whose Lebesgue measure is $0$. Therefore, $Atimes Nsubset Atimes N'$, and the latter is a Borel subset of $mathbb R^2$ of measure zero.







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