Finding the centroid of the composition of two functions












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I have a solid that is comprised of the "solid of revolution" of two functions. I want to find the centroid of the entire solid. Because it is a solid of revolution, I can assume that the x and z coordinates of the centroid will be 0, so what I'm looking for is just the y coordinate of the centroid.



The two functions, if this matters, can be described as follows (shown below):




  1. f(x): a line from (0, 4) to (3, 0). When revolved around the y-axis, this is just a cone


  2. g(x): a parabola (but note that it is flipped over the x-axis). When revolved around the y-axis, it looks something like a rounded bottle cap.



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To find the volume of each, I've used the disc-based method of finding the area of revolution.



To find the y-coordinate of the centroid, I have this formula:



$$
bar y = (1/A) * int^b_a ((1/2)*f(x)^2) dx
$$



This is for a 2D plane, so I'm assuming I can use-- and need to use-- volume instead of area (A). Please correct me if I'm wrong.



(Going forward, note that the density is constant throughout the entire shape.)



Using that formula, I can find the y-coordinate centroid for each of the two solids of revolution. But once I get to that point, how do I get the centroid of the entire shape? Do I just add their centroids and divide by 2? Or is there a complication since g(x) is under the x-axis instead of above it?



Sorry if I provided way more information than is necessary. My secondary goal in asking this is to make sure I'm not making any major conceptual mistakes by using a formula incorrectly or something. :)










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I have a solid that is comprised of the "solid of revolution" of two functions. I want to find the centroid of the entire solid. Because it is a solid of revolution, I can assume that the x and z coordinates of the centroid will be 0, so what I'm looking for is just the y coordinate of the centroid.



The two functions, if this matters, can be described as follows (shown below):




  1. f(x): a line from (0, 4) to (3, 0). When revolved around the y-axis, this is just a cone


  2. g(x): a parabola (but note that it is flipped over the x-axis). When revolved around the y-axis, it looks something like a rounded bottle cap.



functions



To find the volume of each, I've used the disc-based method of finding the area of revolution.



To find the y-coordinate of the centroid, I have this formula:



$$
bar y = (1/A) * int^b_a ((1/2)*f(x)^2) dx
$$



This is for a 2D plane, so I'm assuming I can use-- and need to use-- volume instead of area (A). Please correct me if I'm wrong.



(Going forward, note that the density is constant throughout the entire shape.)



Using that formula, I can find the y-coordinate centroid for each of the two solids of revolution. But once I get to that point, how do I get the centroid of the entire shape? Do I just add their centroids and divide by 2? Or is there a complication since g(x) is under the x-axis instead of above it?



Sorry if I provided way more information than is necessary. My secondary goal in asking this is to make sure I'm not making any major conceptual mistakes by using a formula incorrectly or something. :)










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    "Composite" might be a better term than "composition", as the latter term has a different meaning that might be confusing here.
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    – J. M. is not a mathematician
    Nov 10 '11 at 8:32






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    "Sorry if I provided way more information than is necessary." - In all honesty, the more common (and IMHO more grievous) fault of some problem posers is that they give too little sundry information!
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I have a solid that is comprised of the "solid of revolution" of two functions. I want to find the centroid of the entire solid. Because it is a solid of revolution, I can assume that the x and z coordinates of the centroid will be 0, so what I'm looking for is just the y coordinate of the centroid.



The two functions, if this matters, can be described as follows (shown below):




  1. f(x): a line from (0, 4) to (3, 0). When revolved around the y-axis, this is just a cone


  2. g(x): a parabola (but note that it is flipped over the x-axis). When revolved around the y-axis, it looks something like a rounded bottle cap.



functions



To find the volume of each, I've used the disc-based method of finding the area of revolution.



To find the y-coordinate of the centroid, I have this formula:



$$
bar y = (1/A) * int^b_a ((1/2)*f(x)^2) dx
$$



This is for a 2D plane, so I'm assuming I can use-- and need to use-- volume instead of area (A). Please correct me if I'm wrong.



(Going forward, note that the density is constant throughout the entire shape.)



Using that formula, I can find the y-coordinate centroid for each of the two solids of revolution. But once I get to that point, how do I get the centroid of the entire shape? Do I just add their centroids and divide by 2? Or is there a complication since g(x) is under the x-axis instead of above it?



Sorry if I provided way more information than is necessary. My secondary goal in asking this is to make sure I'm not making any major conceptual mistakes by using a formula incorrectly or something. :)










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I have a solid that is comprised of the "solid of revolution" of two functions. I want to find the centroid of the entire solid. Because it is a solid of revolution, I can assume that the x and z coordinates of the centroid will be 0, so what I'm looking for is just the y coordinate of the centroid.



The two functions, if this matters, can be described as follows (shown below):




  1. f(x): a line from (0, 4) to (3, 0). When revolved around the y-axis, this is just a cone


  2. g(x): a parabola (but note that it is flipped over the x-axis). When revolved around the y-axis, it looks something like a rounded bottle cap.



functions



To find the volume of each, I've used the disc-based method of finding the area of revolution.



To find the y-coordinate of the centroid, I have this formula:



$$
bar y = (1/A) * int^b_a ((1/2)*f(x)^2) dx
$$



This is for a 2D plane, so I'm assuming I can use-- and need to use-- volume instead of area (A). Please correct me if I'm wrong.



(Going forward, note that the density is constant throughout the entire shape.)



Using that formula, I can find the y-coordinate centroid for each of the two solids of revolution. But once I get to that point, how do I get the centroid of the entire shape? Do I just add their centroids and divide by 2? Or is there a complication since g(x) is under the x-axis instead of above it?



Sorry if I provided way more information than is necessary. My secondary goal in asking this is to make sure I'm not making any major conceptual mistakes by using a formula incorrectly or something. :)







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    "Composite" might be a better term than "composition", as the latter term has a different meaning that might be confusing here.
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    – J. M. is not a mathematician
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    "Sorry if I provided way more information than is necessary." - In all honesty, the more common (and IMHO more grievous) fault of some problem posers is that they give too little sundry information!
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    "Composite" might be a better term than "composition", as the latter term has a different meaning that might be confusing here.
    $endgroup$
    – J. M. is not a mathematician
    Nov 10 '11 at 8:32






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    $begingroup$
    "Sorry if I provided way more information than is necessary." - In all honesty, the more common (and IMHO more grievous) fault of some problem posers is that they give too little sundry information!
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    – J. M. is not a mathematician
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"Composite" might be a better term than "composition", as the latter term has a different meaning that might be confusing here.
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– J. M. is not a mathematician
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"Composite" might be a better term than "composition", as the latter term has a different meaning that might be confusing here.
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– J. M. is not a mathematician
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Let a shape $S$ in the $(x,y)$-plane be defined by



$$a(x)leq yleq b(x)qquad(0leq xleq R) .$$



When $S$ is rotated around the $y$-axis we obtain a rotational body $B$. This body can be seen as a union of thin cylindrical shells of radius $x$, height $b(x)-a(x)$, and thickness $dx$. The volume of such a shell is $dV=2pi xbigl(b(x)-a(x)bigr) dx$, and its centroid is on the $y$-axis at level $h(x):={1over2}bigl(a(x)+b(x)bigr)$.



The level $eta$ of the centroid of the full body $B$ is the weighted mean of the levels $h(x)$ of these shells. Therefore



$$eta = {intnolimits _0^R h(x) dV over intnolimits_0^R dV} =
{intnolimits _0^R xbigl(b^2(x)-a^2(x)bigr) dx over 2 intnolimits_0^R xbigl(b(x)-a(x)bigr) dx} .$$



Of course it is easily possible to translate this "stenographic" derivation into a fullfledged proof by partitioning the $x$-interval $[0,R]$ into $N$ equal parts and letting $Ntoinfty$.






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    The centre of mass is the "average" position, that is, the mass-weighted integral over the position divided by the integral of the mass, which is the total mass:



    $$bar r=frac{int rho(r)rmathrm dr}{int rho(r)mathrm dr}=frac{int rho(r)rmathrm dr}M;.$$



    For the centroid, the density is constant and drops out, and you have



    $$bar r=frac{int rho rmathrm dr}{int rhomathrm dr}=frac{int rmathrm dr}{int mathrm dr}=frac{int rmathrm dr}V;.$$



    Both the numerator and the denominator are linear, so if you have two bodies, you get their centroid by adding the numerators and denominators:



    $$bar r_{AB}=frac{int_{AB} rmathrm dr}{int_{AB} mathrm dr}=frac{int_A rmathrm dr+int_B rmathrm dr}{int_A mathrm dr+int_B mathrm dr}=frac{int_A rmathrm dr+int_B rmathrm dr}{V_A+V_B}=frac{V_Abar r_A+V_Bbar r_B}{V_A+V_B};.$$



    Thus, the easiest way to do this is to add the numerators and denominators before forming the centroids and then dividing. If you happen to have the centroids of two bodies, you can still calculate the centroid of the combined body, but you need to "undo" the division by the volume and use the last expression, which is the weighted average of the centroids, weighted with the volumes. (The analogous formula with masses applies for the centre of mass when the density isn't constant.)






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      I'm confused about what these variables are... r is the mass of one of the two shapes? p(r) is p*r, not r as a function of p, right? So r bar would be the average mass? What do A and B signify?
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      @mathemagician11: Sorry, I should have been more explicit. $r$ is the position vector. $rho$ is the mass density, and $rho(r)$ is the mass density at $r$. So $bar r$ is the weighted average of the position, weighted with the mass density. $A$ and $B$ are the two component bodies, as indices marking the corresponding quantities and as integral subscripts marking the integration domains for the bodies.
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      So r bar = (integral of f(x) + integral of g(x)) / (volume of solid of f(x) + volume of solid of g(x)) ?
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      @mathemagician11: Well, schematically, yes, if by "integral of $f(x)$" you mean an integral over an appropriate integrand to integrate the position vector over the solid of revolution formed by $f(x)$.
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    Let a shape $S$ in the $(x,y)$-plane be defined by



    $$a(x)leq yleq b(x)qquad(0leq xleq R) .$$



    When $S$ is rotated around the $y$-axis we obtain a rotational body $B$. This body can be seen as a union of thin cylindrical shells of radius $x$, height $b(x)-a(x)$, and thickness $dx$. The volume of such a shell is $dV=2pi xbigl(b(x)-a(x)bigr) dx$, and its centroid is on the $y$-axis at level $h(x):={1over2}bigl(a(x)+b(x)bigr)$.



    The level $eta$ of the centroid of the full body $B$ is the weighted mean of the levels $h(x)$ of these shells. Therefore



    $$eta = {intnolimits _0^R h(x) dV over intnolimits_0^R dV} =
    {intnolimits _0^R xbigl(b^2(x)-a^2(x)bigr) dx over 2 intnolimits_0^R xbigl(b(x)-a(x)bigr) dx} .$$



    Of course it is easily possible to translate this "stenographic" derivation into a fullfledged proof by partitioning the $x$-interval $[0,R]$ into $N$ equal parts and letting $Ntoinfty$.






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      Let a shape $S$ in the $(x,y)$-plane be defined by



      $$a(x)leq yleq b(x)qquad(0leq xleq R) .$$



      When $S$ is rotated around the $y$-axis we obtain a rotational body $B$. This body can be seen as a union of thin cylindrical shells of radius $x$, height $b(x)-a(x)$, and thickness $dx$. The volume of such a shell is $dV=2pi xbigl(b(x)-a(x)bigr) dx$, and its centroid is on the $y$-axis at level $h(x):={1over2}bigl(a(x)+b(x)bigr)$.



      The level $eta$ of the centroid of the full body $B$ is the weighted mean of the levels $h(x)$ of these shells. Therefore



      $$eta = {intnolimits _0^R h(x) dV over intnolimits_0^R dV} =
      {intnolimits _0^R xbigl(b^2(x)-a^2(x)bigr) dx over 2 intnolimits_0^R xbigl(b(x)-a(x)bigr) dx} .$$



      Of course it is easily possible to translate this "stenographic" derivation into a fullfledged proof by partitioning the $x$-interval $[0,R]$ into $N$ equal parts and letting $Ntoinfty$.






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        Let a shape $S$ in the $(x,y)$-plane be defined by



        $$a(x)leq yleq b(x)qquad(0leq xleq R) .$$



        When $S$ is rotated around the $y$-axis we obtain a rotational body $B$. This body can be seen as a union of thin cylindrical shells of radius $x$, height $b(x)-a(x)$, and thickness $dx$. The volume of such a shell is $dV=2pi xbigl(b(x)-a(x)bigr) dx$, and its centroid is on the $y$-axis at level $h(x):={1over2}bigl(a(x)+b(x)bigr)$.



        The level $eta$ of the centroid of the full body $B$ is the weighted mean of the levels $h(x)$ of these shells. Therefore



        $$eta = {intnolimits _0^R h(x) dV over intnolimits_0^R dV} =
        {intnolimits _0^R xbigl(b^2(x)-a^2(x)bigr) dx over 2 intnolimits_0^R xbigl(b(x)-a(x)bigr) dx} .$$



        Of course it is easily possible to translate this "stenographic" derivation into a fullfledged proof by partitioning the $x$-interval $[0,R]$ into $N$ equal parts and letting $Ntoinfty$.






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        Let a shape $S$ in the $(x,y)$-plane be defined by



        $$a(x)leq yleq b(x)qquad(0leq xleq R) .$$



        When $S$ is rotated around the $y$-axis we obtain a rotational body $B$. This body can be seen as a union of thin cylindrical shells of radius $x$, height $b(x)-a(x)$, and thickness $dx$. The volume of such a shell is $dV=2pi xbigl(b(x)-a(x)bigr) dx$, and its centroid is on the $y$-axis at level $h(x):={1over2}bigl(a(x)+b(x)bigr)$.



        The level $eta$ of the centroid of the full body $B$ is the weighted mean of the levels $h(x)$ of these shells. Therefore



        $$eta = {intnolimits _0^R h(x) dV over intnolimits_0^R dV} =
        {intnolimits _0^R xbigl(b^2(x)-a^2(x)bigr) dx over 2 intnolimits_0^R xbigl(b(x)-a(x)bigr) dx} .$$



        Of course it is easily possible to translate this "stenographic" derivation into a fullfledged proof by partitioning the $x$-interval $[0,R]$ into $N$ equal parts and letting $Ntoinfty$.







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            The centre of mass is the "average" position, that is, the mass-weighted integral over the position divided by the integral of the mass, which is the total mass:



            $$bar r=frac{int rho(r)rmathrm dr}{int rho(r)mathrm dr}=frac{int rho(r)rmathrm dr}M;.$$



            For the centroid, the density is constant and drops out, and you have



            $$bar r=frac{int rho rmathrm dr}{int rhomathrm dr}=frac{int rmathrm dr}{int mathrm dr}=frac{int rmathrm dr}V;.$$



            Both the numerator and the denominator are linear, so if you have two bodies, you get their centroid by adding the numerators and denominators:



            $$bar r_{AB}=frac{int_{AB} rmathrm dr}{int_{AB} mathrm dr}=frac{int_A rmathrm dr+int_B rmathrm dr}{int_A mathrm dr+int_B mathrm dr}=frac{int_A rmathrm dr+int_B rmathrm dr}{V_A+V_B}=frac{V_Abar r_A+V_Bbar r_B}{V_A+V_B};.$$



            Thus, the easiest way to do this is to add the numerators and denominators before forming the centroids and then dividing. If you happen to have the centroids of two bodies, you can still calculate the centroid of the combined body, but you need to "undo" the division by the volume and use the last expression, which is the weighted average of the centroids, weighted with the volumes. (The analogous formula with masses applies for the centre of mass when the density isn't constant.)






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              I'm confused about what these variables are... r is the mass of one of the two shapes? p(r) is p*r, not r as a function of p, right? So r bar would be the average mass? What do A and B signify?
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              @mathemagician11: Sorry, I should have been more explicit. $r$ is the position vector. $rho$ is the mass density, and $rho(r)$ is the mass density at $r$. So $bar r$ is the weighted average of the position, weighted with the mass density. $A$ and $B$ are the two component bodies, as indices marking the corresponding quantities and as integral subscripts marking the integration domains for the bodies.
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              So r bar = (integral of f(x) + integral of g(x)) / (volume of solid of f(x) + volume of solid of g(x)) ?
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              @mathemagician11: Well, schematically, yes, if by "integral of $f(x)$" you mean an integral over an appropriate integrand to integrate the position vector over the solid of revolution formed by $f(x)$.
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              Now I'm even more confused...
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            The centre of mass is the "average" position, that is, the mass-weighted integral over the position divided by the integral of the mass, which is the total mass:



            $$bar r=frac{int rho(r)rmathrm dr}{int rho(r)mathrm dr}=frac{int rho(r)rmathrm dr}M;.$$



            For the centroid, the density is constant and drops out, and you have



            $$bar r=frac{int rho rmathrm dr}{int rhomathrm dr}=frac{int rmathrm dr}{int mathrm dr}=frac{int rmathrm dr}V;.$$



            Both the numerator and the denominator are linear, so if you have two bodies, you get their centroid by adding the numerators and denominators:



            $$bar r_{AB}=frac{int_{AB} rmathrm dr}{int_{AB} mathrm dr}=frac{int_A rmathrm dr+int_B rmathrm dr}{int_A mathrm dr+int_B mathrm dr}=frac{int_A rmathrm dr+int_B rmathrm dr}{V_A+V_B}=frac{V_Abar r_A+V_Bbar r_B}{V_A+V_B};.$$



            Thus, the easiest way to do this is to add the numerators and denominators before forming the centroids and then dividing. If you happen to have the centroids of two bodies, you can still calculate the centroid of the combined body, but you need to "undo" the division by the volume and use the last expression, which is the weighted average of the centroids, weighted with the volumes. (The analogous formula with masses applies for the centre of mass when the density isn't constant.)






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              I'm confused about what these variables are... r is the mass of one of the two shapes? p(r) is p*r, not r as a function of p, right? So r bar would be the average mass? What do A and B signify?
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              @mathemagician11: Sorry, I should have been more explicit. $r$ is the position vector. $rho$ is the mass density, and $rho(r)$ is the mass density at $r$. So $bar r$ is the weighted average of the position, weighted with the mass density. $A$ and $B$ are the two component bodies, as indices marking the corresponding quantities and as integral subscripts marking the integration domains for the bodies.
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              So r bar = (integral of f(x) + integral of g(x)) / (volume of solid of f(x) + volume of solid of g(x)) ?
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              – mathemagician11
              Nov 10 '11 at 19:29










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              @mathemagician11: Well, schematically, yes, if by "integral of $f(x)$" you mean an integral over an appropriate integrand to integrate the position vector over the solid of revolution formed by $f(x)$.
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              Now I'm even more confused...
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            The centre of mass is the "average" position, that is, the mass-weighted integral over the position divided by the integral of the mass, which is the total mass:



            $$bar r=frac{int rho(r)rmathrm dr}{int rho(r)mathrm dr}=frac{int rho(r)rmathrm dr}M;.$$



            For the centroid, the density is constant and drops out, and you have



            $$bar r=frac{int rho rmathrm dr}{int rhomathrm dr}=frac{int rmathrm dr}{int mathrm dr}=frac{int rmathrm dr}V;.$$



            Both the numerator and the denominator are linear, so if you have two bodies, you get their centroid by adding the numerators and denominators:



            $$bar r_{AB}=frac{int_{AB} rmathrm dr}{int_{AB} mathrm dr}=frac{int_A rmathrm dr+int_B rmathrm dr}{int_A mathrm dr+int_B mathrm dr}=frac{int_A rmathrm dr+int_B rmathrm dr}{V_A+V_B}=frac{V_Abar r_A+V_Bbar r_B}{V_A+V_B};.$$



            Thus, the easiest way to do this is to add the numerators and denominators before forming the centroids and then dividing. If you happen to have the centroids of two bodies, you can still calculate the centroid of the combined body, but you need to "undo" the division by the volume and use the last expression, which is the weighted average of the centroids, weighted with the volumes. (The analogous formula with masses applies for the centre of mass when the density isn't constant.)






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            The centre of mass is the "average" position, that is, the mass-weighted integral over the position divided by the integral of the mass, which is the total mass:



            $$bar r=frac{int rho(r)rmathrm dr}{int rho(r)mathrm dr}=frac{int rho(r)rmathrm dr}M;.$$



            For the centroid, the density is constant and drops out, and you have



            $$bar r=frac{int rho rmathrm dr}{int rhomathrm dr}=frac{int rmathrm dr}{int mathrm dr}=frac{int rmathrm dr}V;.$$



            Both the numerator and the denominator are linear, so if you have two bodies, you get their centroid by adding the numerators and denominators:



            $$bar r_{AB}=frac{int_{AB} rmathrm dr}{int_{AB} mathrm dr}=frac{int_A rmathrm dr+int_B rmathrm dr}{int_A mathrm dr+int_B mathrm dr}=frac{int_A rmathrm dr+int_B rmathrm dr}{V_A+V_B}=frac{V_Abar r_A+V_Bbar r_B}{V_A+V_B};.$$



            Thus, the easiest way to do this is to add the numerators and denominators before forming the centroids and then dividing. If you happen to have the centroids of two bodies, you can still calculate the centroid of the combined body, but you need to "undo" the division by the volume and use the last expression, which is the weighted average of the centroids, weighted with the volumes. (The analogous formula with masses applies for the centre of mass when the density isn't constant.)







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              I'm confused about what these variables are... r is the mass of one of the two shapes? p(r) is p*r, not r as a function of p, right? So r bar would be the average mass? What do A and B signify?
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            • $begingroup$
              @mathemagician11: Sorry, I should have been more explicit. $r$ is the position vector. $rho$ is the mass density, and $rho(r)$ is the mass density at $r$. So $bar r$ is the weighted average of the position, weighted with the mass density. $A$ and $B$ are the two component bodies, as indices marking the corresponding quantities and as integral subscripts marking the integration domains for the bodies.
              $endgroup$
              – joriki
              Nov 10 '11 at 19:20












            • $begingroup$
              So r bar = (integral of f(x) + integral of g(x)) / (volume of solid of f(x) + volume of solid of g(x)) ?
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              Nov 10 '11 at 19:29










            • $begingroup$
              @mathemagician11: Well, schematically, yes, if by "integral of $f(x)$" you mean an integral over an appropriate integrand to integrate the position vector over the solid of revolution formed by $f(x)$.
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            • $begingroup$
              Now I'm even more confused...
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              – mathemagician11
              Nov 10 '11 at 19:52


















            • $begingroup$
              I'm confused about what these variables are... r is the mass of one of the two shapes? p(r) is p*r, not r as a function of p, right? So r bar would be the average mass? What do A and B signify?
              $endgroup$
              – mathemagician11
              Nov 10 '11 at 19:12












            • $begingroup$
              @mathemagician11: Sorry, I should have been more explicit. $r$ is the position vector. $rho$ is the mass density, and $rho(r)$ is the mass density at $r$. So $bar r$ is the weighted average of the position, weighted with the mass density. $A$ and $B$ are the two component bodies, as indices marking the corresponding quantities and as integral subscripts marking the integration domains for the bodies.
              $endgroup$
              – joriki
              Nov 10 '11 at 19:20












            • $begingroup$
              So r bar = (integral of f(x) + integral of g(x)) / (volume of solid of f(x) + volume of solid of g(x)) ?
              $endgroup$
              – mathemagician11
              Nov 10 '11 at 19:29










            • $begingroup$
              @mathemagician11: Well, schematically, yes, if by "integral of $f(x)$" you mean an integral over an appropriate integrand to integrate the position vector over the solid of revolution formed by $f(x)$.
              $endgroup$
              – joriki
              Nov 10 '11 at 19:46










            • $begingroup$
              Now I'm even more confused...
              $endgroup$
              – mathemagician11
              Nov 10 '11 at 19:52
















            $begingroup$
            I'm confused about what these variables are... r is the mass of one of the two shapes? p(r) is p*r, not r as a function of p, right? So r bar would be the average mass? What do A and B signify?
            $endgroup$
            – mathemagician11
            Nov 10 '11 at 19:12






            $begingroup$
            I'm confused about what these variables are... r is the mass of one of the two shapes? p(r) is p*r, not r as a function of p, right? So r bar would be the average mass? What do A and B signify?
            $endgroup$
            – mathemagician11
            Nov 10 '11 at 19:12














            $begingroup$
            @mathemagician11: Sorry, I should have been more explicit. $r$ is the position vector. $rho$ is the mass density, and $rho(r)$ is the mass density at $r$. So $bar r$ is the weighted average of the position, weighted with the mass density. $A$ and $B$ are the two component bodies, as indices marking the corresponding quantities and as integral subscripts marking the integration domains for the bodies.
            $endgroup$
            – joriki
            Nov 10 '11 at 19:20






            $begingroup$
            @mathemagician11: Sorry, I should have been more explicit. $r$ is the position vector. $rho$ is the mass density, and $rho(r)$ is the mass density at $r$. So $bar r$ is the weighted average of the position, weighted with the mass density. $A$ and $B$ are the two component bodies, as indices marking the corresponding quantities and as integral subscripts marking the integration domains for the bodies.
            $endgroup$
            – joriki
            Nov 10 '11 at 19:20














            $begingroup$
            So r bar = (integral of f(x) + integral of g(x)) / (volume of solid of f(x) + volume of solid of g(x)) ?
            $endgroup$
            – mathemagician11
            Nov 10 '11 at 19:29




            $begingroup$
            So r bar = (integral of f(x) + integral of g(x)) / (volume of solid of f(x) + volume of solid of g(x)) ?
            $endgroup$
            – mathemagician11
            Nov 10 '11 at 19:29












            $begingroup$
            @mathemagician11: Well, schematically, yes, if by "integral of $f(x)$" you mean an integral over an appropriate integrand to integrate the position vector over the solid of revolution formed by $f(x)$.
            $endgroup$
            – joriki
            Nov 10 '11 at 19:46




            $begingroup$
            @mathemagician11: Well, schematically, yes, if by "integral of $f(x)$" you mean an integral over an appropriate integrand to integrate the position vector over the solid of revolution formed by $f(x)$.
            $endgroup$
            – joriki
            Nov 10 '11 at 19:46












            $begingroup$
            Now I'm even more confused...
            $endgroup$
            – mathemagician11
            Nov 10 '11 at 19:52




            $begingroup$
            Now I'm even more confused...
            $endgroup$
            – mathemagician11
            Nov 10 '11 at 19:52


















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