Froebenius norm is unitarily invariant.












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I'm considering the norm defined on matrices by



$$|A|_F = sqrt{sum_{i,j}|a_{ij}|^2}$$



I want to show that it is unitarily invariant, so that for unitary $U$ we have that



$$|UA|_F = |A|_F = |AU|_F$$



however I have trouble doing it directly. Writing $|UA|_F$ directly I find by Cauchy-Schwarz that



$$|UA|_F = sqrt{sum_{i,j}left|sum_{k=1}^{n}u_{ik}a_{kj}right|^2}= sqrt{sum_{i,j}|langle U_i,overline{A_j}rangle|^2}leq sqrt{sum_{i,j}|A_j|^2}$$



where $U_i$ denotes the $i$th row of $U$ and $A_j$ the $j$th column of $A$. However this estimate is to crude and will not equal $|A|_F$. I would like to prove this without refering to trace or singular values and would appreciate a hint, rather than a full solution, on how to tackle this problem.





EDIT: Completion of the proof based on the answer from $A.Gamma$:



Since the rows of $U$ constitute an orthonormal basis for $mathbb{C}^n$ we find by Parsevals theorem that



$$|UA_j|_2^2 = sum_{i=1}^{n}left|sum_{k=1}^{n}u_{ik}a_{kj}right|^2 = sum_{i=1}^{n}|langle U_i,overline{A_j}rangle|^2 = |overline{A_j}|_2^2 = |A_j|_2^2$$










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    I'm considering the norm defined on matrices by



    $$|A|_F = sqrt{sum_{i,j}|a_{ij}|^2}$$



    I want to show that it is unitarily invariant, so that for unitary $U$ we have that



    $$|UA|_F = |A|_F = |AU|_F$$



    however I have trouble doing it directly. Writing $|UA|_F$ directly I find by Cauchy-Schwarz that



    $$|UA|_F = sqrt{sum_{i,j}left|sum_{k=1}^{n}u_{ik}a_{kj}right|^2}= sqrt{sum_{i,j}|langle U_i,overline{A_j}rangle|^2}leq sqrt{sum_{i,j}|A_j|^2}$$



    where $U_i$ denotes the $i$th row of $U$ and $A_j$ the $j$th column of $A$. However this estimate is to crude and will not equal $|A|_F$. I would like to prove this without refering to trace or singular values and would appreciate a hint, rather than a full solution, on how to tackle this problem.





    EDIT: Completion of the proof based on the answer from $A.Gamma$:



    Since the rows of $U$ constitute an orthonormal basis for $mathbb{C}^n$ we find by Parsevals theorem that



    $$|UA_j|_2^2 = sum_{i=1}^{n}left|sum_{k=1}^{n}u_{ik}a_{kj}right|^2 = sum_{i=1}^{n}|langle U_i,overline{A_j}rangle|^2 = |overline{A_j}|_2^2 = |A_j|_2^2$$










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      I'm considering the norm defined on matrices by



      $$|A|_F = sqrt{sum_{i,j}|a_{ij}|^2}$$



      I want to show that it is unitarily invariant, so that for unitary $U$ we have that



      $$|UA|_F = |A|_F = |AU|_F$$



      however I have trouble doing it directly. Writing $|UA|_F$ directly I find by Cauchy-Schwarz that



      $$|UA|_F = sqrt{sum_{i,j}left|sum_{k=1}^{n}u_{ik}a_{kj}right|^2}= sqrt{sum_{i,j}|langle U_i,overline{A_j}rangle|^2}leq sqrt{sum_{i,j}|A_j|^2}$$



      where $U_i$ denotes the $i$th row of $U$ and $A_j$ the $j$th column of $A$. However this estimate is to crude and will not equal $|A|_F$. I would like to prove this without refering to trace or singular values and would appreciate a hint, rather than a full solution, on how to tackle this problem.





      EDIT: Completion of the proof based on the answer from $A.Gamma$:



      Since the rows of $U$ constitute an orthonormal basis for $mathbb{C}^n$ we find by Parsevals theorem that



      $$|UA_j|_2^2 = sum_{i=1}^{n}left|sum_{k=1}^{n}u_{ik}a_{kj}right|^2 = sum_{i=1}^{n}|langle U_i,overline{A_j}rangle|^2 = |overline{A_j}|_2^2 = |A_j|_2^2$$










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      I'm considering the norm defined on matrices by



      $$|A|_F = sqrt{sum_{i,j}|a_{ij}|^2}$$



      I want to show that it is unitarily invariant, so that for unitary $U$ we have that



      $$|UA|_F = |A|_F = |AU|_F$$



      however I have trouble doing it directly. Writing $|UA|_F$ directly I find by Cauchy-Schwarz that



      $$|UA|_F = sqrt{sum_{i,j}left|sum_{k=1}^{n}u_{ik}a_{kj}right|^2}= sqrt{sum_{i,j}|langle U_i,overline{A_j}rangle|^2}leq sqrt{sum_{i,j}|A_j|^2}$$



      where $U_i$ denotes the $i$th row of $U$ and $A_j$ the $j$th column of $A$. However this estimate is to crude and will not equal $|A|_F$. I would like to prove this without refering to trace or singular values and would appreciate a hint, rather than a full solution, on how to tackle this problem.





      EDIT: Completion of the proof based on the answer from $A.Gamma$:



      Since the rows of $U$ constitute an orthonormal basis for $mathbb{C}^n$ we find by Parsevals theorem that



      $$|UA_j|_2^2 = sum_{i=1}^{n}left|sum_{k=1}^{n}u_{ik}a_{kj}right|^2 = sum_{i=1}^{n}|langle U_i,overline{A_j}rangle|^2 = |overline{A_j}|_2^2 = |A_j|_2^2$$







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          Since
          $$
          UA=[UA_1 UA_2 ldots UA_n]
          $$

          you need to prove that
          $$
          |UA|_F^2=sum_{j=1}^n|UA_j|_2^2stackrel{?}{=}sum_{j=1}^n|A_j|_2^2=|A|_F^2.
          $$

          It suffice to prove that $|UA_j|_2^2=|A_j|_2^2$.



          P.S. For $AU$ use conjugation.






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            I see we can use that the rows of $U$ constitute an ONB for $mathbb{C}^n$, I completed my proof above using your recommendation. Thank you. I realise now that part of my confusion came from the fact that unitary matrices don't need to have norm $1$.
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            @OlofRubin Alternatively, one can use that a unitary matrix is isometric, i.e. $|Ux|_2=|x|_2$. Proof: $$|Ux|_2^2=(Ux)^*Ux=x^*underbrace{U^*U}_{=I}x=x^*x=|x|_2^2.$$
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            Ah yes that is more direct.
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          Quick and dirty:



          $$|UA|_F^2 = operatorname{Tr}((UA)^*(UA)) = operatorname{Tr}(A^*U^*UA) = operatorname{Tr}(A^*A) = |A|_F^2$$
          and then since $U^*$ is also unitary
          $$|AU|_F^2 = |(U^*A^*)^*|_F^2 = |U^*A^*|_F^2 = |A^*|_F^2 = |A|_F^2$$





          Alternative argument:



          Note that $A^*A ge 0$ so there exists an orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$ for $mathbb{C}^n$ such that $A^*A u_i = lambda_i u_i$ for some $lambda ge 0$.



          We have
          $$sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2 = sum_{i=1}^n langle Au_i, Au_irangle = sum_{i=1}^n langle A^*Au_i, u_irangle = sum_{i=1}^n lambda_i =operatorname{Tr}(A^*A) = |A|_F^2$$



          because the trace is the sum of eigenvalues.



          The interesting part is that the sum $sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2$ is actually independent of the choice of the orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$. Indeed, if ${v_1, ldots, v_n}$ is some other orthonormal basis for $mathbb{C}^n$, we have
          begin{align}
          sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2 &= sum_{i=1}^n langle A^*Au_i, u_irangle\
          &= sum_{i=1}^n leftlangle sum_{j=1}^nlangle u_i,v_jrangle A^*A v_j , sum_{k=1}^nlangle u_i,v_krangle v_krightrangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n sum_{k=1}^n left(sum_{i=1}^nlangle u_i,v_jrangle langle v_k,u_irangleright)langle A^*A v_j,v_krangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n sum_{k=1}^n langle v_j,v_kranglelangle A^*A v_j,v_krangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n langle A^*A v_j,v_jrangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n |Av_j|_2^2
          end{align}



          Now, if $U$ is unitary, for any orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$ we have that ${Uu_1, ldots, Uu_n}$ is also an orthonormal basis so:



          $$|AU|_F^2 = sum_{i=1}^n |A(Ue_i)|^2 = |A|_F^2$$






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            That's true, but the OP doesn't want to refer to trace.
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            @A.Γ. True, I missed that. Your argument is great. I have added an alternative argument which may be helpful, but it still uses the trace.
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          Since
          $$
          UA=[UA_1 UA_2 ldots UA_n]
          $$

          you need to prove that
          $$
          |UA|_F^2=sum_{j=1}^n|UA_j|_2^2stackrel{?}{=}sum_{j=1}^n|A_j|_2^2=|A|_F^2.
          $$

          It suffice to prove that $|UA_j|_2^2=|A_j|_2^2$.



          P.S. For $AU$ use conjugation.






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            I see we can use that the rows of $U$ constitute an ONB for $mathbb{C}^n$, I completed my proof above using your recommendation. Thank you. I realise now that part of my confusion came from the fact that unitary matrices don't need to have norm $1$.
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            – Olof Rubin
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            @OlofRubin Alternatively, one can use that a unitary matrix is isometric, i.e. $|Ux|_2=|x|_2$. Proof: $$|Ux|_2^2=(Ux)^*Ux=x^*underbrace{U^*U}_{=I}x=x^*x=|x|_2^2.$$
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            Ah yes that is more direct.
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            – Olof Rubin
            Jan 4 at 13:26
















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          $begingroup$

          Since
          $$
          UA=[UA_1 UA_2 ldots UA_n]
          $$

          you need to prove that
          $$
          |UA|_F^2=sum_{j=1}^n|UA_j|_2^2stackrel{?}{=}sum_{j=1}^n|A_j|_2^2=|A|_F^2.
          $$

          It suffice to prove that $|UA_j|_2^2=|A_j|_2^2$.



          P.S. For $AU$ use conjugation.






          share|cite|improve this answer









          $endgroup$













          • $begingroup$
            I see we can use that the rows of $U$ constitute an ONB for $mathbb{C}^n$, I completed my proof above using your recommendation. Thank you. I realise now that part of my confusion came from the fact that unitary matrices don't need to have norm $1$.
            $endgroup$
            – Olof Rubin
            Jan 4 at 12:40








          • 2




            $begingroup$
            @OlofRubin Alternatively, one can use that a unitary matrix is isometric, i.e. $|Ux|_2=|x|_2$. Proof: $$|Ux|_2^2=(Ux)^*Ux=x^*underbrace{U^*U}_{=I}x=x^*x=|x|_2^2.$$
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            – A.Γ.
            Jan 4 at 12:46










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            Ah yes that is more direct.
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            – Olof Rubin
            Jan 4 at 13:26














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          $begingroup$

          Since
          $$
          UA=[UA_1 UA_2 ldots UA_n]
          $$

          you need to prove that
          $$
          |UA|_F^2=sum_{j=1}^n|UA_j|_2^2stackrel{?}{=}sum_{j=1}^n|A_j|_2^2=|A|_F^2.
          $$

          It suffice to prove that $|UA_j|_2^2=|A_j|_2^2$.



          P.S. For $AU$ use conjugation.






          share|cite|improve this answer









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          Since
          $$
          UA=[UA_1 UA_2 ldots UA_n]
          $$

          you need to prove that
          $$
          |UA|_F^2=sum_{j=1}^n|UA_j|_2^2stackrel{?}{=}sum_{j=1}^n|A_j|_2^2=|A|_F^2.
          $$

          It suffice to prove that $|UA_j|_2^2=|A_j|_2^2$.



          P.S. For $AU$ use conjugation.







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            I see we can use that the rows of $U$ constitute an ONB for $mathbb{C}^n$, I completed my proof above using your recommendation. Thank you. I realise now that part of my confusion came from the fact that unitary matrices don't need to have norm $1$.
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            – Olof Rubin
            Jan 4 at 12:40








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            @OlofRubin Alternatively, one can use that a unitary matrix is isometric, i.e. $|Ux|_2=|x|_2$. Proof: $$|Ux|_2^2=(Ux)^*Ux=x^*underbrace{U^*U}_{=I}x=x^*x=|x|_2^2.$$
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            – A.Γ.
            Jan 4 at 12:46










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            Ah yes that is more direct.
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            – Olof Rubin
            Jan 4 at 13:26


















          • $begingroup$
            I see we can use that the rows of $U$ constitute an ONB for $mathbb{C}^n$, I completed my proof above using your recommendation. Thank you. I realise now that part of my confusion came from the fact that unitary matrices don't need to have norm $1$.
            $endgroup$
            – Olof Rubin
            Jan 4 at 12:40








          • 2




            $begingroup$
            @OlofRubin Alternatively, one can use that a unitary matrix is isometric, i.e. $|Ux|_2=|x|_2$. Proof: $$|Ux|_2^2=(Ux)^*Ux=x^*underbrace{U^*U}_{=I}x=x^*x=|x|_2^2.$$
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            – A.Γ.
            Jan 4 at 12:46










          • $begingroup$
            Ah yes that is more direct.
            $endgroup$
            – Olof Rubin
            Jan 4 at 13:26
















          $begingroup$
          I see we can use that the rows of $U$ constitute an ONB for $mathbb{C}^n$, I completed my proof above using your recommendation. Thank you. I realise now that part of my confusion came from the fact that unitary matrices don't need to have norm $1$.
          $endgroup$
          – Olof Rubin
          Jan 4 at 12:40






          $begingroup$
          I see we can use that the rows of $U$ constitute an ONB for $mathbb{C}^n$, I completed my proof above using your recommendation. Thank you. I realise now that part of my confusion came from the fact that unitary matrices don't need to have norm $1$.
          $endgroup$
          – Olof Rubin
          Jan 4 at 12:40






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          $begingroup$
          @OlofRubin Alternatively, one can use that a unitary matrix is isometric, i.e. $|Ux|_2=|x|_2$. Proof: $$|Ux|_2^2=(Ux)^*Ux=x^*underbrace{U^*U}_{=I}x=x^*x=|x|_2^2.$$
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          – A.Γ.
          Jan 4 at 12:46




          $begingroup$
          @OlofRubin Alternatively, one can use that a unitary matrix is isometric, i.e. $|Ux|_2=|x|_2$. Proof: $$|Ux|_2^2=(Ux)^*Ux=x^*underbrace{U^*U}_{=I}x=x^*x=|x|_2^2.$$
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          – A.Γ.
          Jan 4 at 12:46












          $begingroup$
          Ah yes that is more direct.
          $endgroup$
          – Olof Rubin
          Jan 4 at 13:26




          $begingroup$
          Ah yes that is more direct.
          $endgroup$
          – Olof Rubin
          Jan 4 at 13:26











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          Quick and dirty:



          $$|UA|_F^2 = operatorname{Tr}((UA)^*(UA)) = operatorname{Tr}(A^*U^*UA) = operatorname{Tr}(A^*A) = |A|_F^2$$
          and then since $U^*$ is also unitary
          $$|AU|_F^2 = |(U^*A^*)^*|_F^2 = |U^*A^*|_F^2 = |A^*|_F^2 = |A|_F^2$$





          Alternative argument:



          Note that $A^*A ge 0$ so there exists an orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$ for $mathbb{C}^n$ such that $A^*A u_i = lambda_i u_i$ for some $lambda ge 0$.



          We have
          $$sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2 = sum_{i=1}^n langle Au_i, Au_irangle = sum_{i=1}^n langle A^*Au_i, u_irangle = sum_{i=1}^n lambda_i =operatorname{Tr}(A^*A) = |A|_F^2$$



          because the trace is the sum of eigenvalues.



          The interesting part is that the sum $sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2$ is actually independent of the choice of the orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$. Indeed, if ${v_1, ldots, v_n}$ is some other orthonormal basis for $mathbb{C}^n$, we have
          begin{align}
          sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2 &= sum_{i=1}^n langle A^*Au_i, u_irangle\
          &= sum_{i=1}^n leftlangle sum_{j=1}^nlangle u_i,v_jrangle A^*A v_j , sum_{k=1}^nlangle u_i,v_krangle v_krightrangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n sum_{k=1}^n left(sum_{i=1}^nlangle u_i,v_jrangle langle v_k,u_irangleright)langle A^*A v_j,v_krangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n sum_{k=1}^n langle v_j,v_kranglelangle A^*A v_j,v_krangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n langle A^*A v_j,v_jrangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n |Av_j|_2^2
          end{align}



          Now, if $U$ is unitary, for any orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$ we have that ${Uu_1, ldots, Uu_n}$ is also an orthonormal basis so:



          $$|AU|_F^2 = sum_{i=1}^n |A(Ue_i)|^2 = |A|_F^2$$






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            That's true, but the OP doesn't want to refer to trace.
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            @A.Γ. True, I missed that. Your argument is great. I have added an alternative argument which may be helpful, but it still uses the trace.
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            Jan 4 at 12:30
















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          Quick and dirty:



          $$|UA|_F^2 = operatorname{Tr}((UA)^*(UA)) = operatorname{Tr}(A^*U^*UA) = operatorname{Tr}(A^*A) = |A|_F^2$$
          and then since $U^*$ is also unitary
          $$|AU|_F^2 = |(U^*A^*)^*|_F^2 = |U^*A^*|_F^2 = |A^*|_F^2 = |A|_F^2$$





          Alternative argument:



          Note that $A^*A ge 0$ so there exists an orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$ for $mathbb{C}^n$ such that $A^*A u_i = lambda_i u_i$ for some $lambda ge 0$.



          We have
          $$sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2 = sum_{i=1}^n langle Au_i, Au_irangle = sum_{i=1}^n langle A^*Au_i, u_irangle = sum_{i=1}^n lambda_i =operatorname{Tr}(A^*A) = |A|_F^2$$



          because the trace is the sum of eigenvalues.



          The interesting part is that the sum $sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2$ is actually independent of the choice of the orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$. Indeed, if ${v_1, ldots, v_n}$ is some other orthonormal basis for $mathbb{C}^n$, we have
          begin{align}
          sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2 &= sum_{i=1}^n langle A^*Au_i, u_irangle\
          &= sum_{i=1}^n leftlangle sum_{j=1}^nlangle u_i,v_jrangle A^*A v_j , sum_{k=1}^nlangle u_i,v_krangle v_krightrangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n sum_{k=1}^n left(sum_{i=1}^nlangle u_i,v_jrangle langle v_k,u_irangleright)langle A^*A v_j,v_krangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n sum_{k=1}^n langle v_j,v_kranglelangle A^*A v_j,v_krangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n langle A^*A v_j,v_jrangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n |Av_j|_2^2
          end{align}



          Now, if $U$ is unitary, for any orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$ we have that ${Uu_1, ldots, Uu_n}$ is also an orthonormal basis so:



          $$|AU|_F^2 = sum_{i=1}^n |A(Ue_i)|^2 = |A|_F^2$$






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            That's true, but the OP doesn't want to refer to trace.
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            – A.Γ.
            Jan 4 at 12:26












          • $begingroup$
            @A.Γ. True, I missed that. Your argument is great. I have added an alternative argument which may be helpful, but it still uses the trace.
            $endgroup$
            – mechanodroid
            Jan 4 at 12:30














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          Quick and dirty:



          $$|UA|_F^2 = operatorname{Tr}((UA)^*(UA)) = operatorname{Tr}(A^*U^*UA) = operatorname{Tr}(A^*A) = |A|_F^2$$
          and then since $U^*$ is also unitary
          $$|AU|_F^2 = |(U^*A^*)^*|_F^2 = |U^*A^*|_F^2 = |A^*|_F^2 = |A|_F^2$$





          Alternative argument:



          Note that $A^*A ge 0$ so there exists an orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$ for $mathbb{C}^n$ such that $A^*A u_i = lambda_i u_i$ for some $lambda ge 0$.



          We have
          $$sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2 = sum_{i=1}^n langle Au_i, Au_irangle = sum_{i=1}^n langle A^*Au_i, u_irangle = sum_{i=1}^n lambda_i =operatorname{Tr}(A^*A) = |A|_F^2$$



          because the trace is the sum of eigenvalues.



          The interesting part is that the sum $sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2$ is actually independent of the choice of the orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$. Indeed, if ${v_1, ldots, v_n}$ is some other orthonormal basis for $mathbb{C}^n$, we have
          begin{align}
          sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2 &= sum_{i=1}^n langle A^*Au_i, u_irangle\
          &= sum_{i=1}^n leftlangle sum_{j=1}^nlangle u_i,v_jrangle A^*A v_j , sum_{k=1}^nlangle u_i,v_krangle v_krightrangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n sum_{k=1}^n left(sum_{i=1}^nlangle u_i,v_jrangle langle v_k,u_irangleright)langle A^*A v_j,v_krangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n sum_{k=1}^n langle v_j,v_kranglelangle A^*A v_j,v_krangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n langle A^*A v_j,v_jrangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n |Av_j|_2^2
          end{align}



          Now, if $U$ is unitary, for any orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$ we have that ${Uu_1, ldots, Uu_n}$ is also an orthonormal basis so:



          $$|AU|_F^2 = sum_{i=1}^n |A(Ue_i)|^2 = |A|_F^2$$






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          Quick and dirty:



          $$|UA|_F^2 = operatorname{Tr}((UA)^*(UA)) = operatorname{Tr}(A^*U^*UA) = operatorname{Tr}(A^*A) = |A|_F^2$$
          and then since $U^*$ is also unitary
          $$|AU|_F^2 = |(U^*A^*)^*|_F^2 = |U^*A^*|_F^2 = |A^*|_F^2 = |A|_F^2$$





          Alternative argument:



          Note that $A^*A ge 0$ so there exists an orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$ for $mathbb{C}^n$ such that $A^*A u_i = lambda_i u_i$ for some $lambda ge 0$.



          We have
          $$sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2 = sum_{i=1}^n langle Au_i, Au_irangle = sum_{i=1}^n langle A^*Au_i, u_irangle = sum_{i=1}^n lambda_i =operatorname{Tr}(A^*A) = |A|_F^2$$



          because the trace is the sum of eigenvalues.



          The interesting part is that the sum $sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2$ is actually independent of the choice of the orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$. Indeed, if ${v_1, ldots, v_n}$ is some other orthonormal basis for $mathbb{C}^n$, we have
          begin{align}
          sum_{i=1}^n |Au_i|_2^2 &= sum_{i=1}^n langle A^*Au_i, u_irangle\
          &= sum_{i=1}^n leftlangle sum_{j=1}^nlangle u_i,v_jrangle A^*A v_j , sum_{k=1}^nlangle u_i,v_krangle v_krightrangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n sum_{k=1}^n left(sum_{i=1}^nlangle u_i,v_jrangle langle v_k,u_irangleright)langle A^*A v_j,v_krangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n sum_{k=1}^n langle v_j,v_kranglelangle A^*A v_j,v_krangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n langle A^*A v_j,v_jrangle\
          &= sum_{j=1}^n |Av_j|_2^2
          end{align}



          Now, if $U$ is unitary, for any orthonormal basis ${u_1, ldots, u_n}$ we have that ${Uu_1, ldots, Uu_n}$ is also an orthonormal basis so:



          $$|AU|_F^2 = sum_{i=1}^n |A(Ue_i)|^2 = |A|_F^2$$







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          • $begingroup$
            That's true, but the OP doesn't want to refer to trace.
            $endgroup$
            – A.Γ.
            Jan 4 at 12:26












          • $begingroup$
            @A.Γ. True, I missed that. Your argument is great. I have added an alternative argument which may be helpful, but it still uses the trace.
            $endgroup$
            – mechanodroid
            Jan 4 at 12:30


















          • $begingroup$
            That's true, but the OP doesn't want to refer to trace.
            $endgroup$
            – A.Γ.
            Jan 4 at 12:26












          • $begingroup$
            @A.Γ. True, I missed that. Your argument is great. I have added an alternative argument which may be helpful, but it still uses the trace.
            $endgroup$
            – mechanodroid
            Jan 4 at 12:30
















          $begingroup$
          That's true, but the OP doesn't want to refer to trace.
          $endgroup$
          – A.Γ.
          Jan 4 at 12:26






          $begingroup$
          That's true, but the OP doesn't want to refer to trace.
          $endgroup$
          – A.Γ.
          Jan 4 at 12:26














          $begingroup$
          @A.Γ. True, I missed that. Your argument is great. I have added an alternative argument which may be helpful, but it still uses the trace.
          $endgroup$
          – mechanodroid
          Jan 4 at 12:30




          $begingroup$
          @A.Γ. True, I missed that. Your argument is great. I have added an alternative argument which may be helpful, but it still uses the trace.
          $endgroup$
          – mechanodroid
          Jan 4 at 12:30


















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