Finding the representation matrix of the linear transformation $S: mathbb{R}^3longrightarrow P_2: (a,b,c)...












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I know that the basis of $mathbb{R}^3$ is ${(1,0,0), (0,1,0),(0,0,1)}$.



Now, let $P_2(mathbb{R}$ be the set of polynomials with degree less or equal to 2 with coefficients in $mathbb{R}$ (i.e. $P_2(mathbb{R}):={p(x)in mathbb{R}[x] | text{degree}(p(x))leq 2}$.



I also know that the basis of $P_2(mathbb{R})$ is ${(1,x)}$ and with more simple examples I have no problem with this.



Now, let $$S: mathbb{R}^3longrightarrow P_2(mathbb{R}): (a,b,c) mapsto (a+b+c)+(3b-c)x$$ How do I find the matrix of "S"?










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    Welcome to Maths SX! What do you denote $P_2$?
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    The set of linear polynomials with degree less than 2, so of the form $p(x)=a+bx$?
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I know that the basis of $mathbb{R}^3$ is ${(1,0,0), (0,1,0),(0,0,1)}$.



Now, let $P_2(mathbb{R}$ be the set of polynomials with degree less or equal to 2 with coefficients in $mathbb{R}$ (i.e. $P_2(mathbb{R}):={p(x)in mathbb{R}[x] | text{degree}(p(x))leq 2}$.



I also know that the basis of $P_2(mathbb{R})$ is ${(1,x)}$ and with more simple examples I have no problem with this.



Now, let $$S: mathbb{R}^3longrightarrow P_2(mathbb{R}): (a,b,c) mapsto (a+b+c)+(3b-c)x$$ How do I find the matrix of "S"?










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    Welcome to Maths SX! What do you denote $P_2$?
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    – Bernard
    Jan 13 at 11:27










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    The set of linear polynomials with degree less than 2, so of the form $p(x)=a+bx$?
    $endgroup$
    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 11:30














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I know that the basis of $mathbb{R}^3$ is ${(1,0,0), (0,1,0),(0,0,1)}$.



Now, let $P_2(mathbb{R}$ be the set of polynomials with degree less or equal to 2 with coefficients in $mathbb{R}$ (i.e. $P_2(mathbb{R}):={p(x)in mathbb{R}[x] | text{degree}(p(x))leq 2}$.



I also know that the basis of $P_2(mathbb{R})$ is ${(1,x)}$ and with more simple examples I have no problem with this.



Now, let $$S: mathbb{R}^3longrightarrow P_2(mathbb{R}): (a,b,c) mapsto (a+b+c)+(3b-c)x$$ How do I find the matrix of "S"?










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I know that the basis of $mathbb{R}^3$ is ${(1,0,0), (0,1,0),(0,0,1)}$.



Now, let $P_2(mathbb{R}$ be the set of polynomials with degree less or equal to 2 with coefficients in $mathbb{R}$ (i.e. $P_2(mathbb{R}):={p(x)in mathbb{R}[x] | text{degree}(p(x))leq 2}$.



I also know that the basis of $P_2(mathbb{R})$ is ${(1,x)}$ and with more simple examples I have no problem with this.



Now, let $$S: mathbb{R}^3longrightarrow P_2(mathbb{R}): (a,b,c) mapsto (a+b+c)+(3b-c)x$$ How do I find the matrix of "S"?







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    Welcome to Maths SX! What do you denote $P_2$?
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    – Bernard
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    The set of linear polynomials with degree less than 2, so of the form $p(x)=a+bx$?
    $endgroup$
    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 11:30


















  • $begingroup$
    Welcome to Maths SX! What do you denote $P_2$?
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    – Bernard
    Jan 13 at 11:27










  • $begingroup$
    The set of linear polynomials with degree less than 2, so of the form $p(x)=a+bx$?
    $endgroup$
    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 11:30
















$begingroup$
Welcome to Maths SX! What do you denote $P_2$?
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– Bernard
Jan 13 at 11:27




$begingroup$
Welcome to Maths SX! What do you denote $P_2$?
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– Bernard
Jan 13 at 11:27












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The set of linear polynomials with degree less than 2, so of the form $p(x)=a+bx$?
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– Andrea Brabrook
Jan 13 at 11:30




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The set of linear polynomials with degree less than 2, so of the form $p(x)=a+bx$?
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Hint:



The matrix of a linear map has as column vectors the coordinates, in the basis of $P_2$, of the images of the vectors of the basis used for $mathbf R^3$.



(Incidentally, there is no such thing as THE basis of a vector space: $mathbf R^3$ has an infinite number of bases. The basis you mention is usually considered as the canonical basis of $mathbf R^3$).






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    Thanks, yes i should have said that in this case they were in respect to the standard bases. It's the images of the vectors in the basis for $R^3$ that's causing me the problem!
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    Jan 13 at 11:43










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    Can't you calculate $S(1,0,0)$, $S(0,1,0)$ and $S(0,0,1)$?
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    – Bernard
    Jan 13 at 11:49










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    Well, what i'm getting is $(3b-c,0,0), (0,3b-c,0),(0,0,3b-c)$ but i'm pretty sure this is completely wrong and don't know how to proceed then to find the coordinates in the basis of $P_2$
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    Jan 13 at 12:03










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    But there can be no $a,b$ or $c$ in the answer: they should represent the coordinates of vectors in the basis!
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    – Bernard
    Jan 13 at 12:09










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    Which is why I was sure it was wrong! So, in answer to can i not calculate the images, no i can't!! Would I replace the a,b,c with x,y,z?
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    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 12:14



















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Do you understand that a matrix represents a given matrix only in a given choice of basis for both domain and range spaces? What bases do you want to use? A natural choice would be {(1,0,0), (0,1,0), (0,0,1)} for the domain space and {1, x} for the range space. Apply the transformation to each of the domain space basis vectors in turn and write the result in terms of the range space basis. Each gives a column of the matrix representation.



This transformation maps (1, 0, 0) into 1+ 0x so first column of the matrix is (1, 0). The transformation maps (0, 1, 0) into 1+ 3x so the second column of the matrix is (1, 3). The transformation maps (0, 0, 1) into 1- x so the third column of the matrix is (1, -1). The matrix representation of the linear transformation using these choices of basis is $begin{bmatrix}1 & 1 & 1 \ 0 & 3 & -1end{bmatrix}$






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Hint:



The matrix of a linear map has as column vectors the coordinates, in the basis of $P_2$, of the images of the vectors of the basis used for $mathbf R^3$.



(Incidentally, there is no such thing as THE basis of a vector space: $mathbf R^3$ has an infinite number of bases. The basis you mention is usually considered as the canonical basis of $mathbf R^3$).






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    Thanks, yes i should have said that in this case they were in respect to the standard bases. It's the images of the vectors in the basis for $R^3$ that's causing me the problem!
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    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 11:43










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    Can't you calculate $S(1,0,0)$, $S(0,1,0)$ and $S(0,0,1)$?
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    – Bernard
    Jan 13 at 11:49










  • $begingroup$
    Well, what i'm getting is $(3b-c,0,0), (0,3b-c,0),(0,0,3b-c)$ but i'm pretty sure this is completely wrong and don't know how to proceed then to find the coordinates in the basis of $P_2$
    $endgroup$
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    But there can be no $a,b$ or $c$ in the answer: they should represent the coordinates of vectors in the basis!
    $endgroup$
    – Bernard
    Jan 13 at 12:09










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    Which is why I was sure it was wrong! So, in answer to can i not calculate the images, no i can't!! Would I replace the a,b,c with x,y,z?
    $endgroup$
    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 12:14
















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$begingroup$

Hint:



The matrix of a linear map has as column vectors the coordinates, in the basis of $P_2$, of the images of the vectors of the basis used for $mathbf R^3$.



(Incidentally, there is no such thing as THE basis of a vector space: $mathbf R^3$ has an infinite number of bases. The basis you mention is usually considered as the canonical basis of $mathbf R^3$).






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  • $begingroup$
    Thanks, yes i should have said that in this case they were in respect to the standard bases. It's the images of the vectors in the basis for $R^3$ that's causing me the problem!
    $endgroup$
    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 11:43










  • $begingroup$
    Can't you calculate $S(1,0,0)$, $S(0,1,0)$ and $S(0,0,1)$?
    $endgroup$
    – Bernard
    Jan 13 at 11:49










  • $begingroup$
    Well, what i'm getting is $(3b-c,0,0), (0,3b-c,0),(0,0,3b-c)$ but i'm pretty sure this is completely wrong and don't know how to proceed then to find the coordinates in the basis of $P_2$
    $endgroup$
    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 12:03










  • $begingroup$
    But there can be no $a,b$ or $c$ in the answer: they should represent the coordinates of vectors in the basis!
    $endgroup$
    – Bernard
    Jan 13 at 12:09










  • $begingroup$
    Which is why I was sure it was wrong! So, in answer to can i not calculate the images, no i can't!! Would I replace the a,b,c with x,y,z?
    $endgroup$
    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 12:14














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$begingroup$

Hint:



The matrix of a linear map has as column vectors the coordinates, in the basis of $P_2$, of the images of the vectors of the basis used for $mathbf R^3$.



(Incidentally, there is no such thing as THE basis of a vector space: $mathbf R^3$ has an infinite number of bases. The basis you mention is usually considered as the canonical basis of $mathbf R^3$).






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Hint:



The matrix of a linear map has as column vectors the coordinates, in the basis of $P_2$, of the images of the vectors of the basis used for $mathbf R^3$.



(Incidentally, there is no such thing as THE basis of a vector space: $mathbf R^3$ has an infinite number of bases. The basis you mention is usually considered as the canonical basis of $mathbf R^3$).







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    Thanks, yes i should have said that in this case they were in respect to the standard bases. It's the images of the vectors in the basis for $R^3$ that's causing me the problem!
    $endgroup$
    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 11:43










  • $begingroup$
    Can't you calculate $S(1,0,0)$, $S(0,1,0)$ and $S(0,0,1)$?
    $endgroup$
    – Bernard
    Jan 13 at 11:49










  • $begingroup$
    Well, what i'm getting is $(3b-c,0,0), (0,3b-c,0),(0,0,3b-c)$ but i'm pretty sure this is completely wrong and don't know how to proceed then to find the coordinates in the basis of $P_2$
    $endgroup$
    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 12:03










  • $begingroup$
    But there can be no $a,b$ or $c$ in the answer: they should represent the coordinates of vectors in the basis!
    $endgroup$
    – Bernard
    Jan 13 at 12:09










  • $begingroup$
    Which is why I was sure it was wrong! So, in answer to can i not calculate the images, no i can't!! Would I replace the a,b,c with x,y,z?
    $endgroup$
    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 12:14


















  • $begingroup$
    Thanks, yes i should have said that in this case they were in respect to the standard bases. It's the images of the vectors in the basis for $R^3$ that's causing me the problem!
    $endgroup$
    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 11:43










  • $begingroup$
    Can't you calculate $S(1,0,0)$, $S(0,1,0)$ and $S(0,0,1)$?
    $endgroup$
    – Bernard
    Jan 13 at 11:49










  • $begingroup$
    Well, what i'm getting is $(3b-c,0,0), (0,3b-c,0),(0,0,3b-c)$ but i'm pretty sure this is completely wrong and don't know how to proceed then to find the coordinates in the basis of $P_2$
    $endgroup$
    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 12:03










  • $begingroup$
    But there can be no $a,b$ or $c$ in the answer: they should represent the coordinates of vectors in the basis!
    $endgroup$
    – Bernard
    Jan 13 at 12:09










  • $begingroup$
    Which is why I was sure it was wrong! So, in answer to can i not calculate the images, no i can't!! Would I replace the a,b,c with x,y,z?
    $endgroup$
    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 12:14
















$begingroup$
Thanks, yes i should have said that in this case they were in respect to the standard bases. It's the images of the vectors in the basis for $R^3$ that's causing me the problem!
$endgroup$
– Andrea Brabrook
Jan 13 at 11:43




$begingroup$
Thanks, yes i should have said that in this case they were in respect to the standard bases. It's the images of the vectors in the basis for $R^3$ that's causing me the problem!
$endgroup$
– Andrea Brabrook
Jan 13 at 11:43












$begingroup$
Can't you calculate $S(1,0,0)$, $S(0,1,0)$ and $S(0,0,1)$?
$endgroup$
– Bernard
Jan 13 at 11:49




$begingroup$
Can't you calculate $S(1,0,0)$, $S(0,1,0)$ and $S(0,0,1)$?
$endgroup$
– Bernard
Jan 13 at 11:49












$begingroup$
Well, what i'm getting is $(3b-c,0,0), (0,3b-c,0),(0,0,3b-c)$ but i'm pretty sure this is completely wrong and don't know how to proceed then to find the coordinates in the basis of $P_2$
$endgroup$
– Andrea Brabrook
Jan 13 at 12:03




$begingroup$
Well, what i'm getting is $(3b-c,0,0), (0,3b-c,0),(0,0,3b-c)$ but i'm pretty sure this is completely wrong and don't know how to proceed then to find the coordinates in the basis of $P_2$
$endgroup$
– Andrea Brabrook
Jan 13 at 12:03












$begingroup$
But there can be no $a,b$ or $c$ in the answer: they should represent the coordinates of vectors in the basis!
$endgroup$
– Bernard
Jan 13 at 12:09




$begingroup$
But there can be no $a,b$ or $c$ in the answer: they should represent the coordinates of vectors in the basis!
$endgroup$
– Bernard
Jan 13 at 12:09












$begingroup$
Which is why I was sure it was wrong! So, in answer to can i not calculate the images, no i can't!! Would I replace the a,b,c with x,y,z?
$endgroup$
– Andrea Brabrook
Jan 13 at 12:14




$begingroup$
Which is why I was sure it was wrong! So, in answer to can i not calculate the images, no i can't!! Would I replace the a,b,c with x,y,z?
$endgroup$
– Andrea Brabrook
Jan 13 at 12:14











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Do you understand that a matrix represents a given matrix only in a given choice of basis for both domain and range spaces? What bases do you want to use? A natural choice would be {(1,0,0), (0,1,0), (0,0,1)} for the domain space and {1, x} for the range space. Apply the transformation to each of the domain space basis vectors in turn and write the result in terms of the range space basis. Each gives a column of the matrix representation.



This transformation maps (1, 0, 0) into 1+ 0x so first column of the matrix is (1, 0). The transformation maps (0, 1, 0) into 1+ 3x so the second column of the matrix is (1, 3). The transformation maps (0, 0, 1) into 1- x so the third column of the matrix is (1, -1). The matrix representation of the linear transformation using these choices of basis is $begin{bmatrix}1 & 1 & 1 \ 0 & 3 & -1end{bmatrix}$






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    Huge help, thank you..I was sort of getting there with the previous help but not quite! And yes, i do understand all that, thanks! struggling mature student here!
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$begingroup$

Do you understand that a matrix represents a given matrix only in a given choice of basis for both domain and range spaces? What bases do you want to use? A natural choice would be {(1,0,0), (0,1,0), (0,0,1)} for the domain space and {1, x} for the range space. Apply the transformation to each of the domain space basis vectors in turn and write the result in terms of the range space basis. Each gives a column of the matrix representation.



This transformation maps (1, 0, 0) into 1+ 0x so first column of the matrix is (1, 0). The transformation maps (0, 1, 0) into 1+ 3x so the second column of the matrix is (1, 3). The transformation maps (0, 0, 1) into 1- x so the third column of the matrix is (1, -1). The matrix representation of the linear transformation using these choices of basis is $begin{bmatrix}1 & 1 & 1 \ 0 & 3 & -1end{bmatrix}$






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  • $begingroup$
    Huge help, thank you..I was sort of getting there with the previous help but not quite! And yes, i do understand all that, thanks! struggling mature student here!
    $endgroup$
    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 12:46














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$begingroup$

Do you understand that a matrix represents a given matrix only in a given choice of basis for both domain and range spaces? What bases do you want to use? A natural choice would be {(1,0,0), (0,1,0), (0,0,1)} for the domain space and {1, x} for the range space. Apply the transformation to each of the domain space basis vectors in turn and write the result in terms of the range space basis. Each gives a column of the matrix representation.



This transformation maps (1, 0, 0) into 1+ 0x so first column of the matrix is (1, 0). The transformation maps (0, 1, 0) into 1+ 3x so the second column of the matrix is (1, 3). The transformation maps (0, 0, 1) into 1- x so the third column of the matrix is (1, -1). The matrix representation of the linear transformation using these choices of basis is $begin{bmatrix}1 & 1 & 1 \ 0 & 3 & -1end{bmatrix}$






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Do you understand that a matrix represents a given matrix only in a given choice of basis for both domain and range spaces? What bases do you want to use? A natural choice would be {(1,0,0), (0,1,0), (0,0,1)} for the domain space and {1, x} for the range space. Apply the transformation to each of the domain space basis vectors in turn and write the result in terms of the range space basis. Each gives a column of the matrix representation.



This transformation maps (1, 0, 0) into 1+ 0x so first column of the matrix is (1, 0). The transformation maps (0, 1, 0) into 1+ 3x so the second column of the matrix is (1, 3). The transformation maps (0, 0, 1) into 1- x so the third column of the matrix is (1, -1). The matrix representation of the linear transformation using these choices of basis is $begin{bmatrix}1 & 1 & 1 \ 0 & 3 & -1end{bmatrix}$







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    Huge help, thank you..I was sort of getting there with the previous help but not quite! And yes, i do understand all that, thanks! struggling mature student here!
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    Huge help, thank you..I was sort of getting there with the previous help but not quite! And yes, i do understand all that, thanks! struggling mature student here!
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    – Andrea Brabrook
    Jan 13 at 12:46
















$begingroup$
Huge help, thank you..I was sort of getting there with the previous help but not quite! And yes, i do understand all that, thanks! struggling mature student here!
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– Andrea Brabrook
Jan 13 at 12:46




$begingroup$
Huge help, thank you..I was sort of getting there with the previous help but not quite! And yes, i do understand all that, thanks! struggling mature student here!
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