Why does $sum_{sigmain S_n}q^{ell(sigma)}=frac{(1-q)(1-q^2)cdots(1-q^n)}{(1-q)^n}$?
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This is a known result, but I can't find a proof. Why does
$$
sum_{sigmain S_n}q^{ell(sigma)}=frac{(1-q)(1-q^2)cdots(1-q^n)}{(1-q)^n}?
$$
Here $ell(sigma)$ is the length of $sigma$, equivalently, the number of inversions of $sigma$.
I know you can count the number of permutations on $n$ letters with $k$ inversions $I_n(k)$ recursively by
$$
I_n(k)=I_{n-1}(k)+I_{n-1}(k-1)+cdots+I_{n-1}(0)
$$
So you could get some polynomial
$$
sum_{sigmain S_n}q^{ell(sigma)}=1+I_n(1)q+I_n(2)q^2+cdots+q^{n(n-1)/2}
$$
but there's got to be a cleaner way to get the value of the right hand side?
abstract-algebra combinatorics permutations symmetric-groups
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This is a known result, but I can't find a proof. Why does
$$
sum_{sigmain S_n}q^{ell(sigma)}=frac{(1-q)(1-q^2)cdots(1-q^n)}{(1-q)^n}?
$$
Here $ell(sigma)$ is the length of $sigma$, equivalently, the number of inversions of $sigma$.
I know you can count the number of permutations on $n$ letters with $k$ inversions $I_n(k)$ recursively by
$$
I_n(k)=I_{n-1}(k)+I_{n-1}(k-1)+cdots+I_{n-1}(0)
$$
So you could get some polynomial
$$
sum_{sigmain S_n}q^{ell(sigma)}=1+I_n(1)q+I_n(2)q^2+cdots+q^{n(n-1)/2}
$$
but there's got to be a cleaner way to get the value of the right hand side?
abstract-algebra combinatorics permutations symmetric-groups
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Hint: $(1-q^k)=(1-q)(1+q+...q^{k-1})$
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– JB King
Aug 6 '15 at 0:39
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Do you know about the inversion table of a permutation? You can consult Stanley's book, around page 35.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Aug 6 '15 at 0:43
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Theorem 1.1 of this book chapter provides a proof: ams.org/bookstore/pspdf/ulect-41-prev.pdf
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– Steve Kass
Aug 6 '15 at 0:43
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This is a known result, but I can't find a proof. Why does
$$
sum_{sigmain S_n}q^{ell(sigma)}=frac{(1-q)(1-q^2)cdots(1-q^n)}{(1-q)^n}?
$$
Here $ell(sigma)$ is the length of $sigma$, equivalently, the number of inversions of $sigma$.
I know you can count the number of permutations on $n$ letters with $k$ inversions $I_n(k)$ recursively by
$$
I_n(k)=I_{n-1}(k)+I_{n-1}(k-1)+cdots+I_{n-1}(0)
$$
So you could get some polynomial
$$
sum_{sigmain S_n}q^{ell(sigma)}=1+I_n(1)q+I_n(2)q^2+cdots+q^{n(n-1)/2}
$$
but there's got to be a cleaner way to get the value of the right hand side?
abstract-algebra combinatorics permutations symmetric-groups
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This is a known result, but I can't find a proof. Why does
$$
sum_{sigmain S_n}q^{ell(sigma)}=frac{(1-q)(1-q^2)cdots(1-q^n)}{(1-q)^n}?
$$
Here $ell(sigma)$ is the length of $sigma$, equivalently, the number of inversions of $sigma$.
I know you can count the number of permutations on $n$ letters with $k$ inversions $I_n(k)$ recursively by
$$
I_n(k)=I_{n-1}(k)+I_{n-1}(k-1)+cdots+I_{n-1}(0)
$$
So you could get some polynomial
$$
sum_{sigmain S_n}q^{ell(sigma)}=1+I_n(1)q+I_n(2)q^2+cdots+q^{n(n-1)/2}
$$
but there's got to be a cleaner way to get the value of the right hand side?
abstract-algebra combinatorics permutations symmetric-groups
abstract-algebra combinatorics permutations symmetric-groups
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Hint: $(1-q^k)=(1-q)(1+q+...q^{k-1})$
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– JB King
Aug 6 '15 at 0:39
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Do you know about the inversion table of a permutation? You can consult Stanley's book, around page 35.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Aug 6 '15 at 0:43
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Theorem 1.1 of this book chapter provides a proof: ams.org/bookstore/pspdf/ulect-41-prev.pdf
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– Steve Kass
Aug 6 '15 at 0:43
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Hint: $(1-q^k)=(1-q)(1+q+...q^{k-1})$
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– JB King
Aug 6 '15 at 0:39
1
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Do you know about the inversion table of a permutation? You can consult Stanley's book, around page 35.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Aug 6 '15 at 0:43
1
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Theorem 1.1 of this book chapter provides a proof: ams.org/bookstore/pspdf/ulect-41-prev.pdf
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– Steve Kass
Aug 6 '15 at 0:43
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Hint: $(1-q^k)=(1-q)(1+q+...q^{k-1})$
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– JB King
Aug 6 '15 at 0:39
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Hint: $(1-q^k)=(1-q)(1+q+...q^{k-1})$
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– JB King
Aug 6 '15 at 0:39
1
1
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Do you know about the inversion table of a permutation? You can consult Stanley's book, around page 35.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Aug 6 '15 at 0:43
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Do you know about the inversion table of a permutation? You can consult Stanley's book, around page 35.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Aug 6 '15 at 0:43
1
1
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Theorem 1.1 of this book chapter provides a proof: ams.org/bookstore/pspdf/ulect-41-prev.pdf
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– Steve Kass
Aug 6 '15 at 0:43
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Theorem 1.1 of this book chapter provides a proof: ams.org/bookstore/pspdf/ulect-41-prev.pdf
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Let $P_n(q)$ be the LHS polynomial and $Q_n(q)$ be the RHS polynomial. Clearly $P_1(q) = Q_1(q)$, and $Q_n(q)$ satisfies the recurrence $$Q_{n+1}(q) = frac{1-q^{n+1}}{1-q} Q_n(q) = (1+q+q^2+cdots+q^n)Q_n(q).$$
The question that remains is why $P_n$ satisfies the same recurrence. To see this, define $s_i in S_n$ by the transposition $s_i = (i quad i+1)$, defined for all (large enough) $n$ via the natural embeddings $S_n hookrightarrow S_{n+1}$. Recall that for $sigma in S_n$, $ell(sigma)$ is equivalently defined as the length of a minimal representative decomposition of $sigma$ as a product of $s_i$'s.
Claim: The set $$C_{n+1} := {1, s_n, s_{n-1}s_{n}, ldots, s_1s_2cdots s_{n}}$$ defines a complete set of left coset representatives of $S_n subset S_{n+1}$. That is, the multiplication map $$C_{n+1} times S_n to S_{n+1}$$ defines a bijection.
Moreover, I claim that for $omega in C_{n+1}$ and $sigma in S_n$, we have $ell(omegasigma) = ell(omega)+ell(sigma)$. Prove these facts, and use this to complete the proof.
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Heh, I think we've both seen it from the same source.
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– Ben West
Aug 6 '15 at 1:46
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That wouldn't be surprising! ;)
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Consider a permutation from $S_n.$ First make a choice where on the available $n$ positions you place the value one. All future elements to the left of this value will contribute an inversion. That gives the generating function $$q^{n-1}+q^{n-2}+cdots+1.$$ Having positioned one we position two and once again we have all remaining elements to the left of two will contribute an inversion. This gives the term $$q^{n-2}+q^{n-3}+cdots+1$$ (inversions with one has been counted if indeed it participates). Continuing until we place the $n$ element we obtain the product $$prod_{k=0}^{n-1}left(q^{k}+q^{k-1}+cdots+1right)
= prod_{k=0}^{n-1} frac{1-q^{k+1}}{1-q} = frac{(1-q^n)(1-q^{n-1})cdots (1-q)}{(1-q)^n}.$$
Here we have classified the inversions $(a,b)$ by the right value $b$ and the term for $k=0$ is one which is correct since the element $n$ does not participate in any inversions that haven't been counted before. In general the element $b$ can participate in at most $n-b$ inversions that haven't been counted before.
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This is the proof I had in mind, using inversion tables.
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Let $P_n(q)$ be the LHS polynomial and $Q_n(q)$ be the RHS polynomial. Clearly $P_1(q) = Q_1(q)$, and $Q_n(q)$ satisfies the recurrence $$Q_{n+1}(q) = frac{1-q^{n+1}}{1-q} Q_n(q) = (1+q+q^2+cdots+q^n)Q_n(q).$$
The question that remains is why $P_n$ satisfies the same recurrence. To see this, define $s_i in S_n$ by the transposition $s_i = (i quad i+1)$, defined for all (large enough) $n$ via the natural embeddings $S_n hookrightarrow S_{n+1}$. Recall that for $sigma in S_n$, $ell(sigma)$ is equivalently defined as the length of a minimal representative decomposition of $sigma$ as a product of $s_i$'s.
Claim: The set $$C_{n+1} := {1, s_n, s_{n-1}s_{n}, ldots, s_1s_2cdots s_{n}}$$ defines a complete set of left coset representatives of $S_n subset S_{n+1}$. That is, the multiplication map $$C_{n+1} times S_n to S_{n+1}$$ defines a bijection.
Moreover, I claim that for $omega in C_{n+1}$ and $sigma in S_n$, we have $ell(omegasigma) = ell(omega)+ell(sigma)$. Prove these facts, and use this to complete the proof.
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Heh, I think we've both seen it from the same source.
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– Ben West
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That wouldn't be surprising! ;)
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Let $P_n(q)$ be the LHS polynomial and $Q_n(q)$ be the RHS polynomial. Clearly $P_1(q) = Q_1(q)$, and $Q_n(q)$ satisfies the recurrence $$Q_{n+1}(q) = frac{1-q^{n+1}}{1-q} Q_n(q) = (1+q+q^2+cdots+q^n)Q_n(q).$$
The question that remains is why $P_n$ satisfies the same recurrence. To see this, define $s_i in S_n$ by the transposition $s_i = (i quad i+1)$, defined for all (large enough) $n$ via the natural embeddings $S_n hookrightarrow S_{n+1}$. Recall that for $sigma in S_n$, $ell(sigma)$ is equivalently defined as the length of a minimal representative decomposition of $sigma$ as a product of $s_i$'s.
Claim: The set $$C_{n+1} := {1, s_n, s_{n-1}s_{n}, ldots, s_1s_2cdots s_{n}}$$ defines a complete set of left coset representatives of $S_n subset S_{n+1}$. That is, the multiplication map $$C_{n+1} times S_n to S_{n+1}$$ defines a bijection.
Moreover, I claim that for $omega in C_{n+1}$ and $sigma in S_n$, we have $ell(omegasigma) = ell(omega)+ell(sigma)$. Prove these facts, and use this to complete the proof.
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Heh, I think we've both seen it from the same source.
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– Ben West
Aug 6 '15 at 1:46
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That wouldn't be surprising! ;)
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– Dustan Levenstein
Aug 6 '15 at 1:48
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Let $P_n(q)$ be the LHS polynomial and $Q_n(q)$ be the RHS polynomial. Clearly $P_1(q) = Q_1(q)$, and $Q_n(q)$ satisfies the recurrence $$Q_{n+1}(q) = frac{1-q^{n+1}}{1-q} Q_n(q) = (1+q+q^2+cdots+q^n)Q_n(q).$$
The question that remains is why $P_n$ satisfies the same recurrence. To see this, define $s_i in S_n$ by the transposition $s_i = (i quad i+1)$, defined for all (large enough) $n$ via the natural embeddings $S_n hookrightarrow S_{n+1}$. Recall that for $sigma in S_n$, $ell(sigma)$ is equivalently defined as the length of a minimal representative decomposition of $sigma$ as a product of $s_i$'s.
Claim: The set $$C_{n+1} := {1, s_n, s_{n-1}s_{n}, ldots, s_1s_2cdots s_{n}}$$ defines a complete set of left coset representatives of $S_n subset S_{n+1}$. That is, the multiplication map $$C_{n+1} times S_n to S_{n+1}$$ defines a bijection.
Moreover, I claim that for $omega in C_{n+1}$ and $sigma in S_n$, we have $ell(omegasigma) = ell(omega)+ell(sigma)$. Prove these facts, and use this to complete the proof.
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Let $P_n(q)$ be the LHS polynomial and $Q_n(q)$ be the RHS polynomial. Clearly $P_1(q) = Q_1(q)$, and $Q_n(q)$ satisfies the recurrence $$Q_{n+1}(q) = frac{1-q^{n+1}}{1-q} Q_n(q) = (1+q+q^2+cdots+q^n)Q_n(q).$$
The question that remains is why $P_n$ satisfies the same recurrence. To see this, define $s_i in S_n$ by the transposition $s_i = (i quad i+1)$, defined for all (large enough) $n$ via the natural embeddings $S_n hookrightarrow S_{n+1}$. Recall that for $sigma in S_n$, $ell(sigma)$ is equivalently defined as the length of a minimal representative decomposition of $sigma$ as a product of $s_i$'s.
Claim: The set $$C_{n+1} := {1, s_n, s_{n-1}s_{n}, ldots, s_1s_2cdots s_{n}}$$ defines a complete set of left coset representatives of $S_n subset S_{n+1}$. That is, the multiplication map $$C_{n+1} times S_n to S_{n+1}$$ defines a bijection.
Moreover, I claim that for $omega in C_{n+1}$ and $sigma in S_n$, we have $ell(omegasigma) = ell(omega)+ell(sigma)$. Prove these facts, and use this to complete the proof.
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answered Aug 6 '15 at 0:45
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Heh, I think we've both seen it from the same source.
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– Ben West
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That wouldn't be surprising! ;)
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– Dustan Levenstein
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Heh, I think we've both seen it from the same source.
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– Ben West
Aug 6 '15 at 1:46
1
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That wouldn't be surprising! ;)
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– Dustan Levenstein
Aug 6 '15 at 1:48
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Heh, I think we've both seen it from the same source.
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– Ben West
Aug 6 '15 at 1:46
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Heh, I think we've both seen it from the same source.
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– Ben West
Aug 6 '15 at 1:46
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That wouldn't be surprising! ;)
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– Dustan Levenstein
Aug 6 '15 at 1:48
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That wouldn't be surprising! ;)
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– Dustan Levenstein
Aug 6 '15 at 1:48
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Consider a permutation from $S_n.$ First make a choice where on the available $n$ positions you place the value one. All future elements to the left of this value will contribute an inversion. That gives the generating function $$q^{n-1}+q^{n-2}+cdots+1.$$ Having positioned one we position two and once again we have all remaining elements to the left of two will contribute an inversion. This gives the term $$q^{n-2}+q^{n-3}+cdots+1$$ (inversions with one has been counted if indeed it participates). Continuing until we place the $n$ element we obtain the product $$prod_{k=0}^{n-1}left(q^{k}+q^{k-1}+cdots+1right)
= prod_{k=0}^{n-1} frac{1-q^{k+1}}{1-q} = frac{(1-q^n)(1-q^{n-1})cdots (1-q)}{(1-q)^n}.$$
Here we have classified the inversions $(a,b)$ by the right value $b$ and the term for $k=0$ is one which is correct since the element $n$ does not participate in any inversions that haven't been counted before. In general the element $b$ can participate in at most $n-b$ inversions that haven't been counted before.
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This is the proof I had in mind, using inversion tables.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Aug 6 '15 at 1:51
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Consider a permutation from $S_n.$ First make a choice where on the available $n$ positions you place the value one. All future elements to the left of this value will contribute an inversion. That gives the generating function $$q^{n-1}+q^{n-2}+cdots+1.$$ Having positioned one we position two and once again we have all remaining elements to the left of two will contribute an inversion. This gives the term $$q^{n-2}+q^{n-3}+cdots+1$$ (inversions with one has been counted if indeed it participates). Continuing until we place the $n$ element we obtain the product $$prod_{k=0}^{n-1}left(q^{k}+q^{k-1}+cdots+1right)
= prod_{k=0}^{n-1} frac{1-q^{k+1}}{1-q} = frac{(1-q^n)(1-q^{n-1})cdots (1-q)}{(1-q)^n}.$$
Here we have classified the inversions $(a,b)$ by the right value $b$ and the term for $k=0$ is one which is correct since the element $n$ does not participate in any inversions that haven't been counted before. In general the element $b$ can participate in at most $n-b$ inversions that haven't been counted before.
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This is the proof I had in mind, using inversion tables.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Aug 6 '15 at 1:51
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Consider a permutation from $S_n.$ First make a choice where on the available $n$ positions you place the value one. All future elements to the left of this value will contribute an inversion. That gives the generating function $$q^{n-1}+q^{n-2}+cdots+1.$$ Having positioned one we position two and once again we have all remaining elements to the left of two will contribute an inversion. This gives the term $$q^{n-2}+q^{n-3}+cdots+1$$ (inversions with one has been counted if indeed it participates). Continuing until we place the $n$ element we obtain the product $$prod_{k=0}^{n-1}left(q^{k}+q^{k-1}+cdots+1right)
= prod_{k=0}^{n-1} frac{1-q^{k+1}}{1-q} = frac{(1-q^n)(1-q^{n-1})cdots (1-q)}{(1-q)^n}.$$
Here we have classified the inversions $(a,b)$ by the right value $b$ and the term for $k=0$ is one which is correct since the element $n$ does not participate in any inversions that haven't been counted before. In general the element $b$ can participate in at most $n-b$ inversions that haven't been counted before.
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Consider a permutation from $S_n.$ First make a choice where on the available $n$ positions you place the value one. All future elements to the left of this value will contribute an inversion. That gives the generating function $$q^{n-1}+q^{n-2}+cdots+1.$$ Having positioned one we position two and once again we have all remaining elements to the left of two will contribute an inversion. This gives the term $$q^{n-2}+q^{n-3}+cdots+1$$ (inversions with one has been counted if indeed it participates). Continuing until we place the $n$ element we obtain the product $$prod_{k=0}^{n-1}left(q^{k}+q^{k-1}+cdots+1right)
= prod_{k=0}^{n-1} frac{1-q^{k+1}}{1-q} = frac{(1-q^n)(1-q^{n-1})cdots (1-q)}{(1-q)^n}.$$
Here we have classified the inversions $(a,b)$ by the right value $b$ and the term for $k=0$ is one which is correct since the element $n$ does not participate in any inversions that haven't been counted before. In general the element $b$ can participate in at most $n-b$ inversions that haven't been counted before.
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This is the proof I had in mind, using inversion tables.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
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This is the proof I had in mind, using inversion tables.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Aug 6 '15 at 1:51
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This is the proof I had in mind, using inversion tables.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Aug 6 '15 at 1:51
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This is the proof I had in mind, using inversion tables.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Aug 6 '15 at 1:51
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Theorem 1.1 of this book chapter provides a proof: ams.org/bookstore/pspdf/ulect-41-prev.pdf
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– Steve Kass
Aug 6 '15 at 0:43