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In right triangle $ABC$, the area is twice the perimeter, and all sides have integer lengths. Compute the sum of all possible circumradii of $ABC$.




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$$frac{xy}{2}=2left(x+y+sqrt{x^2+y^2}right)$$ and
$$R=frac{xy sqrt{x^2+y^2}}{2xy}=frac{sqrt{x^2+y^2}}{2}$$










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  • In your circumradius formula, you should have $frac12sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.
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  • how would i solve it? i tried everything i knew
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  • You haven't used the fact that the sides are integers. Pythagorean Triples can be expressed as $$x = k ( m^2-n^2 )qquad y = 2 k m n qquad z = k ( m^2 + n^2 )$$ for integers $k$, $m$, $n$. Try using that information.
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    $$frac{xy}{2} = 2left(x+y +sqrt{x^2+y^2}right) implies (xy - 4(x+y))^2 = 16(x^2+y^2)\ iff xy(xy-8(x+y)+32) = 0 implies (x-8)(y-8) = 32 $$ You then need to check for what positive $x,y$, $sqrt{x^2+y^2}$ is also an integer.
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In right triangle $ABC$, the area is twice the perimeter, and all sides have integer lengths. Compute the sum of all possible circumradii of $ABC$.




I only have set up an equation
$$frac{xy}{2}=2left(x+y+sqrt{x^2+y^2}right)$$ and
$$R=frac{xy sqrt{x^2+y^2}}{2xy}=frac{sqrt{x^2+y^2}}{2}$$










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  • In your circumradius formula, you should have $frac12sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.
    – Blue
    Dec 3 at 5:20










  • how would i solve it? i tried everything i knew
    – weareallin
    Dec 3 at 5:25










  • You haven't used the fact that the sides are integers. Pythagorean Triples can be expressed as $$x = k ( m^2-n^2 )qquad y = 2 k m n qquad z = k ( m^2 + n^2 )$$ for integers $k$, $m$, $n$. Try using that information.
    – Blue
    Dec 3 at 5:30








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    $$frac{xy}{2} = 2left(x+y +sqrt{x^2+y^2}right) implies (xy - 4(x+y))^2 = 16(x^2+y^2)\ iff xy(xy-8(x+y)+32) = 0 implies (x-8)(y-8) = 32 $$ You then need to check for what positive $x,y$, $sqrt{x^2+y^2}$ is also an integer.
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In right triangle $ABC$, the area is twice the perimeter, and all sides have integer lengths. Compute the sum of all possible circumradii of $ABC$.




I only have set up an equation
$$frac{xy}{2}=2left(x+y+sqrt{x^2+y^2}right)$$ and
$$R=frac{xy sqrt{x^2+y^2}}{2xy}=frac{sqrt{x^2+y^2}}{2}$$










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In right triangle $ABC$, the area is twice the perimeter, and all sides have integer lengths. Compute the sum of all possible circumradii of $ABC$.




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$$frac{xy}{2}=2left(x+y+sqrt{x^2+y^2}right)$$ and
$$R=frac{xy sqrt{x^2+y^2}}{2xy}=frac{sqrt{x^2+y^2}}{2}$$







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  • In your circumradius formula, you should have $frac12sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.
    – Blue
    Dec 3 at 5:20










  • how would i solve it? i tried everything i knew
    – weareallin
    Dec 3 at 5:25










  • You haven't used the fact that the sides are integers. Pythagorean Triples can be expressed as $$x = k ( m^2-n^2 )qquad y = 2 k m n qquad z = k ( m^2 + n^2 )$$ for integers $k$, $m$, $n$. Try using that information.
    – Blue
    Dec 3 at 5:30








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    $$frac{xy}{2} = 2left(x+y +sqrt{x^2+y^2}right) implies (xy - 4(x+y))^2 = 16(x^2+y^2)\ iff xy(xy-8(x+y)+32) = 0 implies (x-8)(y-8) = 32 $$ You then need to check for what positive $x,y$, $sqrt{x^2+y^2}$ is also an integer.
    – achille hui
    Dec 3 at 5:47


















  • In your circumradius formula, you should have $frac12sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.
    – Blue
    Dec 3 at 5:20










  • how would i solve it? i tried everything i knew
    – weareallin
    Dec 3 at 5:25










  • You haven't used the fact that the sides are integers. Pythagorean Triples can be expressed as $$x = k ( m^2-n^2 )qquad y = 2 k m n qquad z = k ( m^2 + n^2 )$$ for integers $k$, $m$, $n$. Try using that information.
    – Blue
    Dec 3 at 5:30








  • 1




    $$frac{xy}{2} = 2left(x+y +sqrt{x^2+y^2}right) implies (xy - 4(x+y))^2 = 16(x^2+y^2)\ iff xy(xy-8(x+y)+32) = 0 implies (x-8)(y-8) = 32 $$ You then need to check for what positive $x,y$, $sqrt{x^2+y^2}$ is also an integer.
    – achille hui
    Dec 3 at 5:47
















In your circumradius formula, you should have $frac12sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.
– Blue
Dec 3 at 5:20




In your circumradius formula, you should have $frac12sqrt{x^2+y^2}$.
– Blue
Dec 3 at 5:20












how would i solve it? i tried everything i knew
– weareallin
Dec 3 at 5:25




how would i solve it? i tried everything i knew
– weareallin
Dec 3 at 5:25












You haven't used the fact that the sides are integers. Pythagorean Triples can be expressed as $$x = k ( m^2-n^2 )qquad y = 2 k m n qquad z = k ( m^2 + n^2 )$$ for integers $k$, $m$, $n$. Try using that information.
– Blue
Dec 3 at 5:30






You haven't used the fact that the sides are integers. Pythagorean Triples can be expressed as $$x = k ( m^2-n^2 )qquad y = 2 k m n qquad z = k ( m^2 + n^2 )$$ for integers $k$, $m$, $n$. Try using that information.
– Blue
Dec 3 at 5:30






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$$frac{xy}{2} = 2left(x+y +sqrt{x^2+y^2}right) implies (xy - 4(x+y))^2 = 16(x^2+y^2)\ iff xy(xy-8(x+y)+32) = 0 implies (x-8)(y-8) = 32 $$ You then need to check for what positive $x,y$, $sqrt{x^2+y^2}$ is also an integer.
– achille hui
Dec 3 at 5:47




$$frac{xy}{2} = 2left(x+y +sqrt{x^2+y^2}right) implies (xy - 4(x+y))^2 = 16(x^2+y^2)\ iff xy(xy-8(x+y)+32) = 0 implies (x-8)(y-8) = 32 $$ You then need to check for what positive $x,y$, $sqrt{x^2+y^2}$ is also an integer.
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We can parameterize the sides of a right triangle ABC right-angled at C with integer sides in the following manner:
$$a=k(x^2-y^2),
b=2kxy,
c=k(x^2+y^2)$$

where k is any positive integer, x and y are co-prime integers with $xnotequiv y (textrm{mod} 2)$.



Using the condition, $frac{ab}{2}=2(a+b+c)$, we obtain $ky(x-y)=4$ whence $k=4, y=1, x=2$ or $k=1,y=4,x=5$ or $k=2, y=2, x=3$. This leads to the triangles $(12,16,20)$, $(10,24,26)$ and $(9,40,41)$. In a right triangle, circumradius is half the hypotenuse. Therefore, $$ R=10,13, text{or} 20.5 $$






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    $$frac{xy}{2} = 2left(x+y +sqrt{x^2+y^2}right) implies (xy - 4(x+y))^2 = 16(x^2+y^2)\ iff xy(xy-8(x+y)+32) = 0 implies (x-8)(y-8) = 32$$
    Since $x$ and $y$ are integers and $32 = 2^5$, the total numbers of factors are $(5+1)=6$ which are $1,2,4,8,16,32$ .
    So possible cases avoiding any redundancy for we just want circumradii are as follows:
    $$underset{32}{(x-8)}underset{1}{(y-8)} = 32$$
    $$underset{16}{(x-8)}underset{2}{(y-8)} = 32$$
    $$underset{8}{(x-8)}underset{4}{(y-8)} = 32$$
    So possible triplets turn out to be $40,9,41$;
    $24,10,26$;
    $16,12,20$.
    So, possible circumradii are $frac{41}2,frac{26}2,frac{20}2$.






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      We can parameterize the sides of a right triangle ABC right-angled at C with integer sides in the following manner:
      $$a=k(x^2-y^2),
      b=2kxy,
      c=k(x^2+y^2)$$

      where k is any positive integer, x and y are co-prime integers with $xnotequiv y (textrm{mod} 2)$.



      Using the condition, $frac{ab}{2}=2(a+b+c)$, we obtain $ky(x-y)=4$ whence $k=4, y=1, x=2$ or $k=1,y=4,x=5$ or $k=2, y=2, x=3$. This leads to the triangles $(12,16,20)$, $(10,24,26)$ and $(9,40,41)$. In a right triangle, circumradius is half the hypotenuse. Therefore, $$ R=10,13, text{or} 20.5 $$






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        We can parameterize the sides of a right triangle ABC right-angled at C with integer sides in the following manner:
        $$a=k(x^2-y^2),
        b=2kxy,
        c=k(x^2+y^2)$$

        where k is any positive integer, x and y are co-prime integers with $xnotequiv y (textrm{mod} 2)$.



        Using the condition, $frac{ab}{2}=2(a+b+c)$, we obtain $ky(x-y)=4$ whence $k=4, y=1, x=2$ or $k=1,y=4,x=5$ or $k=2, y=2, x=3$. This leads to the triangles $(12,16,20)$, $(10,24,26)$ and $(9,40,41)$. In a right triangle, circumradius is half the hypotenuse. Therefore, $$ R=10,13, text{or} 20.5 $$






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          We can parameterize the sides of a right triangle ABC right-angled at C with integer sides in the following manner:
          $$a=k(x^2-y^2),
          b=2kxy,
          c=k(x^2+y^2)$$

          where k is any positive integer, x and y are co-prime integers with $xnotequiv y (textrm{mod} 2)$.



          Using the condition, $frac{ab}{2}=2(a+b+c)$, we obtain $ky(x-y)=4$ whence $k=4, y=1, x=2$ or $k=1,y=4,x=5$ or $k=2, y=2, x=3$. This leads to the triangles $(12,16,20)$, $(10,24,26)$ and $(9,40,41)$. In a right triangle, circumradius is half the hypotenuse. Therefore, $$ R=10,13, text{or} 20.5 $$






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          We can parameterize the sides of a right triangle ABC right-angled at C with integer sides in the following manner:
          $$a=k(x^2-y^2),
          b=2kxy,
          c=k(x^2+y^2)$$

          where k is any positive integer, x and y are co-prime integers with $xnotequiv y (textrm{mod} 2)$.



          Using the condition, $frac{ab}{2}=2(a+b+c)$, we obtain $ky(x-y)=4$ whence $k=4, y=1, x=2$ or $k=1,y=4,x=5$ or $k=2, y=2, x=3$. This leads to the triangles $(12,16,20)$, $(10,24,26)$ and $(9,40,41)$. In a right triangle, circumradius is half the hypotenuse. Therefore, $$ R=10,13, text{or} 20.5 $$







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              $$frac{xy}{2} = 2left(x+y +sqrt{x^2+y^2}right) implies (xy - 4(x+y))^2 = 16(x^2+y^2)\ iff xy(xy-8(x+y)+32) = 0 implies (x-8)(y-8) = 32$$
              Since $x$ and $y$ are integers and $32 = 2^5$, the total numbers of factors are $(5+1)=6$ which are $1,2,4,8,16,32$ .
              So possible cases avoiding any redundancy for we just want circumradii are as follows:
              $$underset{32}{(x-8)}underset{1}{(y-8)} = 32$$
              $$underset{16}{(x-8)}underset{2}{(y-8)} = 32$$
              $$underset{8}{(x-8)}underset{4}{(y-8)} = 32$$
              So possible triplets turn out to be $40,9,41$;
              $24,10,26$;
              $16,12,20$.
              So, possible circumradii are $frac{41}2,frac{26}2,frac{20}2$.






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                $$frac{xy}{2} = 2left(x+y +sqrt{x^2+y^2}right) implies (xy - 4(x+y))^2 = 16(x^2+y^2)\ iff xy(xy-8(x+y)+32) = 0 implies (x-8)(y-8) = 32$$
                Since $x$ and $y$ are integers and $32 = 2^5$, the total numbers of factors are $(5+1)=6$ which are $1,2,4,8,16,32$ .
                So possible cases avoiding any redundancy for we just want circumradii are as follows:
                $$underset{32}{(x-8)}underset{1}{(y-8)} = 32$$
                $$underset{16}{(x-8)}underset{2}{(y-8)} = 32$$
                $$underset{8}{(x-8)}underset{4}{(y-8)} = 32$$
                So possible triplets turn out to be $40,9,41$;
                $24,10,26$;
                $16,12,20$.
                So, possible circumradii are $frac{41}2,frac{26}2,frac{20}2$.






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                  $$frac{xy}{2} = 2left(x+y +sqrt{x^2+y^2}right) implies (xy - 4(x+y))^2 = 16(x^2+y^2)\ iff xy(xy-8(x+y)+32) = 0 implies (x-8)(y-8) = 32$$
                  Since $x$ and $y$ are integers and $32 = 2^5$, the total numbers of factors are $(5+1)=6$ which are $1,2,4,8,16,32$ .
                  So possible cases avoiding any redundancy for we just want circumradii are as follows:
                  $$underset{32}{(x-8)}underset{1}{(y-8)} = 32$$
                  $$underset{16}{(x-8)}underset{2}{(y-8)} = 32$$
                  $$underset{8}{(x-8)}underset{4}{(y-8)} = 32$$
                  So possible triplets turn out to be $40,9,41$;
                  $24,10,26$;
                  $16,12,20$.
                  So, possible circumradii are $frac{41}2,frac{26}2,frac{20}2$.






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                  $$frac{xy}{2} = 2left(x+y +sqrt{x^2+y^2}right) implies (xy - 4(x+y))^2 = 16(x^2+y^2)\ iff xy(xy-8(x+y)+32) = 0 implies (x-8)(y-8) = 32$$
                  Since $x$ and $y$ are integers and $32 = 2^5$, the total numbers of factors are $(5+1)=6$ which are $1,2,4,8,16,32$ .
                  So possible cases avoiding any redundancy for we just want circumradii are as follows:
                  $$underset{32}{(x-8)}underset{1}{(y-8)} = 32$$
                  $$underset{16}{(x-8)}underset{2}{(y-8)} = 32$$
                  $$underset{8}{(x-8)}underset{4}{(y-8)} = 32$$
                  So possible triplets turn out to be $40,9,41$;
                  $24,10,26$;
                  $16,12,20$.
                  So, possible circumradii are $frac{41}2,frac{26}2,frac{20}2$.







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