Given $y = Acos(kt) + Bsin(kt)$, where $A, B, k$ are constants, prove that $y^{(2)} + (k^2)y = 0$











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EDIT: There was a silly typo, $y^n$ is actually $y''$... sorry everyone!



In that case just finding $y''$ and substituting this and $y$ into the left side will yield the answer 0.



I have noted that $y^n$ refers to the nth derivative.



I found that the 1st, 5th, 9th, ..., $(4m+1)$th derivatives have a sign pattern of - and +, respectively, in front of each trig ratio.



That is, $y^n = -Ak^nsin kt + Bk^ncos kt$.



The 2nd, 6th, 10th, ..., $(4m+2)$th derivates have a sign pattern of - and -.



The 3rd, 7th, 11th, ... $(4m+3)$th derivates have a sign pattern of + and -.



Finally, the 4th, 8th, 12th, ..., $(4m+4)$th derivatives have a sign pattern of + and +.



I am not sure if this is relevant in breaking down the proof into cases...



Thank you in advance for any insight.










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    I'm pretty sure that your are looking at a misprint, $y^n$ is probably supposed to be $y''$ ( second derivative)
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    Ah! In that case, I just find the second derivative and sub in!
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EDIT: There was a silly typo, $y^n$ is actually $y''$... sorry everyone!



In that case just finding $y''$ and substituting this and $y$ into the left side will yield the answer 0.



I have noted that $y^n$ refers to the nth derivative.



I found that the 1st, 5th, 9th, ..., $(4m+1)$th derivatives have a sign pattern of - and +, respectively, in front of each trig ratio.



That is, $y^n = -Ak^nsin kt + Bk^ncos kt$.



The 2nd, 6th, 10th, ..., $(4m+2)$th derivates have a sign pattern of - and -.



The 3rd, 7th, 11th, ... $(4m+3)$th derivates have a sign pattern of + and -.



Finally, the 4th, 8th, 12th, ..., $(4m+4)$th derivatives have a sign pattern of + and +.



I am not sure if this is relevant in breaking down the proof into cases...



Thank you in advance for any insight.










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    I'm pretty sure that your are looking at a misprint, $y^n$ is probably supposed to be $y''$ ( second derivative)
    – WW1
    Dec 3 at 3:01








  • 2




    Ah! In that case, I just find the second derivative and sub in!
    – user424712
    Dec 3 at 3:02













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EDIT: There was a silly typo, $y^n$ is actually $y''$... sorry everyone!



In that case just finding $y''$ and substituting this and $y$ into the left side will yield the answer 0.



I have noted that $y^n$ refers to the nth derivative.



I found that the 1st, 5th, 9th, ..., $(4m+1)$th derivatives have a sign pattern of - and +, respectively, in front of each trig ratio.



That is, $y^n = -Ak^nsin kt + Bk^ncos kt$.



The 2nd, 6th, 10th, ..., $(4m+2)$th derivates have a sign pattern of - and -.



The 3rd, 7th, 11th, ... $(4m+3)$th derivates have a sign pattern of + and -.



Finally, the 4th, 8th, 12th, ..., $(4m+4)$th derivatives have a sign pattern of + and +.



I am not sure if this is relevant in breaking down the proof into cases...



Thank you in advance for any insight.










share|cite|improve this question















EDIT: There was a silly typo, $y^n$ is actually $y''$... sorry everyone!



In that case just finding $y''$ and substituting this and $y$ into the left side will yield the answer 0.



I have noted that $y^n$ refers to the nth derivative.



I found that the 1st, 5th, 9th, ..., $(4m+1)$th derivatives have a sign pattern of - and +, respectively, in front of each trig ratio.



That is, $y^n = -Ak^nsin kt + Bk^ncos kt$.



The 2nd, 6th, 10th, ..., $(4m+2)$th derivates have a sign pattern of - and -.



The 3rd, 7th, 11th, ... $(4m+3)$th derivates have a sign pattern of + and -.



Finally, the 4th, 8th, 12th, ..., $(4m+4)$th derivatives have a sign pattern of + and +.



I am not sure if this is relevant in breaking down the proof into cases...



Thank you in advance for any insight.







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    I'm pretty sure that your are looking at a misprint, $y^n$ is probably supposed to be $y''$ ( second derivative)
    – WW1
    Dec 3 at 3:01








  • 2




    Ah! In that case, I just find the second derivative and sub in!
    – user424712
    Dec 3 at 3:02














  • 2




    I'm pretty sure that your are looking at a misprint, $y^n$ is probably supposed to be $y''$ ( second derivative)
    – WW1
    Dec 3 at 3:01








  • 2




    Ah! In that case, I just find the second derivative and sub in!
    – user424712
    Dec 3 at 3:02








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2




I'm pretty sure that your are looking at a misprint, $y^n$ is probably supposed to be $y''$ ( second derivative)
– WW1
Dec 3 at 3:01






I'm pretty sure that your are looking at a misprint, $y^n$ is probably supposed to be $y''$ ( second derivative)
– WW1
Dec 3 at 3:01






2




2




Ah! In that case, I just find the second derivative and sub in!
– user424712
Dec 3 at 3:02




Ah! In that case, I just find the second derivative and sub in!
– user424712
Dec 3 at 3:02










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$$y^{''} =frac {d^2}{dt^2}y= frac {d}{dt}left({frac d{dt}y}right)= frac {d}{dt}(-Aksin(kt)+Bkcos(kt))=kfrac {d}{dt}(-Asin(kt)+Bcos(kt))=k^2(-Acos(kt)-Bsin(kt))=-k^2y$$
You must have done something erroneous! may be the derivatives of $sin(x)$ and $cos(x)$.






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    We have $y=A cos(kt)+B sin(kt)$ where ${ A, B, k }$ are constants. We are required to prove that $y^{(2)}+(k^2)y=0$ where $y^{(2)}$ denotes the second derivative of $y$ with respect to $t$.



    $frac{dy}{dt}=-Ak sin(kt)+Bk cos(kt) implies frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=-Ak^2 cos(kt)+Bk^2 sin(kt) cdots $ (i)



    Also, $k^2y=Ak^2 cos(kt)+Bk^2 sin(kt) cdots $ (ii)



    Adding equations (i) and (ii) together we indeed get $0$ as the result. Hence, Proved






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      $$y^{''} =frac {d^2}{dt^2}y= frac {d}{dt}left({frac d{dt}y}right)= frac {d}{dt}(-Aksin(kt)+Bkcos(kt))=kfrac {d}{dt}(-Asin(kt)+Bcos(kt))=k^2(-Acos(kt)-Bsin(kt))=-k^2y$$
      You must have done something erroneous! may be the derivatives of $sin(x)$ and $cos(x)$.






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        $$y^{''} =frac {d^2}{dt^2}y= frac {d}{dt}left({frac d{dt}y}right)= frac {d}{dt}(-Aksin(kt)+Bkcos(kt))=kfrac {d}{dt}(-Asin(kt)+Bcos(kt))=k^2(-Acos(kt)-Bsin(kt))=-k^2y$$
        You must have done something erroneous! may be the derivatives of $sin(x)$ and $cos(x)$.






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          $$y^{''} =frac {d^2}{dt^2}y= frac {d}{dt}left({frac d{dt}y}right)= frac {d}{dt}(-Aksin(kt)+Bkcos(kt))=kfrac {d}{dt}(-Asin(kt)+Bcos(kt))=k^2(-Acos(kt)-Bsin(kt))=-k^2y$$
          You must have done something erroneous! may be the derivatives of $sin(x)$ and $cos(x)$.






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          $$y^{''} =frac {d^2}{dt^2}y= frac {d}{dt}left({frac d{dt}y}right)= frac {d}{dt}(-Aksin(kt)+Bkcos(kt))=kfrac {d}{dt}(-Asin(kt)+Bcos(kt))=k^2(-Acos(kt)-Bsin(kt))=-k^2y$$
          You must have done something erroneous! may be the derivatives of $sin(x)$ and $cos(x)$.







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              We have $y=A cos(kt)+B sin(kt)$ where ${ A, B, k }$ are constants. We are required to prove that $y^{(2)}+(k^2)y=0$ where $y^{(2)}$ denotes the second derivative of $y$ with respect to $t$.



              $frac{dy}{dt}=-Ak sin(kt)+Bk cos(kt) implies frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=-Ak^2 cos(kt)+Bk^2 sin(kt) cdots $ (i)



              Also, $k^2y=Ak^2 cos(kt)+Bk^2 sin(kt) cdots $ (ii)



              Adding equations (i) and (ii) together we indeed get $0$ as the result. Hence, Proved






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                We have $y=A cos(kt)+B sin(kt)$ where ${ A, B, k }$ are constants. We are required to prove that $y^{(2)}+(k^2)y=0$ where $y^{(2)}$ denotes the second derivative of $y$ with respect to $t$.



                $frac{dy}{dt}=-Ak sin(kt)+Bk cos(kt) implies frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=-Ak^2 cos(kt)+Bk^2 sin(kt) cdots $ (i)



                Also, $k^2y=Ak^2 cos(kt)+Bk^2 sin(kt) cdots $ (ii)



                Adding equations (i) and (ii) together we indeed get $0$ as the result. Hence, Proved






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                  We have $y=A cos(kt)+B sin(kt)$ where ${ A, B, k }$ are constants. We are required to prove that $y^{(2)}+(k^2)y=0$ where $y^{(2)}$ denotes the second derivative of $y$ with respect to $t$.



                  $frac{dy}{dt}=-Ak sin(kt)+Bk cos(kt) implies frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=-Ak^2 cos(kt)+Bk^2 sin(kt) cdots $ (i)



                  Also, $k^2y=Ak^2 cos(kt)+Bk^2 sin(kt) cdots $ (ii)



                  Adding equations (i) and (ii) together we indeed get $0$ as the result. Hence, Proved






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                  We have $y=A cos(kt)+B sin(kt)$ where ${ A, B, k }$ are constants. We are required to prove that $y^{(2)}+(k^2)y=0$ where $y^{(2)}$ denotes the second derivative of $y$ with respect to $t$.



                  $frac{dy}{dt}=-Ak sin(kt)+Bk cos(kt) implies frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=-Ak^2 cos(kt)+Bk^2 sin(kt) cdots $ (i)



                  Also, $k^2y=Ak^2 cos(kt)+Bk^2 sin(kt) cdots $ (ii)



                  Adding equations (i) and (ii) together we indeed get $0$ as the result. Hence, Proved







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