How do I prove L'Hôpital's rule variation for complex functions
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I need to prove to following version of L'Hôpital's rule for complex functions:
Let $f$ and $g$ be analytical at $z_0$ such that $f(z_0)=g(z_0)=0$ and $g$ is not identically zero: so the following limits exist $($whether $infty$ or final$)$ and equal:
$displaystylelim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{f(z)}{g(z)}=lim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{f'(z)}{g'(z)}$ .
I looked up online and found people using it but not a proof. I've found this, which I'm not sure why doesn't work here:
$$lim_{zrightarrow z_{0}}frac{f(z)}{g(z)} =lim_{zrightarrow z_{0}}frac{f(z)-f(z_{0})}{z-z_{0}}cdotfrac{z-z_{0}}{g(z)-g(z_{0})}
=frac{f'(z)}{g'(z)}$$
My guess it's something with power series.
Thank you.
calculus limits derivatives
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I need to prove to following version of L'Hôpital's rule for complex functions:
Let $f$ and $g$ be analytical at $z_0$ such that $f(z_0)=g(z_0)=0$ and $g$ is not identically zero: so the following limits exist $($whether $infty$ or final$)$ and equal:
$displaystylelim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{f(z)}{g(z)}=lim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{f'(z)}{g'(z)}$ .
I looked up online and found people using it but not a proof. I've found this, which I'm not sure why doesn't work here:
$$lim_{zrightarrow z_{0}}frac{f(z)}{g(z)} =lim_{zrightarrow z_{0}}frac{f(z)-f(z_{0})}{z-z_{0}}cdotfrac{z-z_{0}}{g(z)-g(z_{0})}
=frac{f'(z)}{g'(z)}$$
My guess it's something with power series.
Thank you.
calculus limits derivatives
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I need to prove to following version of L'Hôpital's rule for complex functions:
Let $f$ and $g$ be analytical at $z_0$ such that $f(z_0)=g(z_0)=0$ and $g$ is not identically zero: so the following limits exist $($whether $infty$ or final$)$ and equal:
$displaystylelim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{f(z)}{g(z)}=lim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{f'(z)}{g'(z)}$ .
I looked up online and found people using it but not a proof. I've found this, which I'm not sure why doesn't work here:
$$lim_{zrightarrow z_{0}}frac{f(z)}{g(z)} =lim_{zrightarrow z_{0}}frac{f(z)-f(z_{0})}{z-z_{0}}cdotfrac{z-z_{0}}{g(z)-g(z_{0})}
=frac{f'(z)}{g'(z)}$$
My guess it's something with power series.
Thank you.
calculus limits derivatives
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I need to prove to following version of L'Hôpital's rule for complex functions:
Let $f$ and $g$ be analytical at $z_0$ such that $f(z_0)=g(z_0)=0$ and $g$ is not identically zero: so the following limits exist $($whether $infty$ or final$)$ and equal:
$displaystylelim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{f(z)}{g(z)}=lim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{f'(z)}{g'(z)}$ .
I looked up online and found people using it but not a proof. I've found this, which I'm not sure why doesn't work here:
$$lim_{zrightarrow z_{0}}frac{f(z)}{g(z)} =lim_{zrightarrow z_{0}}frac{f(z)-f(z_{0})}{z-z_{0}}cdotfrac{z-z_{0}}{g(z)-g(z_{0})}
=frac{f'(z)}{g'(z)}$$
My guess it's something with power series.
Thank you.
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Assum that $z_0$ is a simple zero of both $f$ and $g$. Then, if$$f(z)=a_1(z-z_0)+a_2(z-z_0)^2+cdotstext{ and }g(z)=b_1(z-z_0)+b_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots,$$we havebegin{align}lim_{zto z_0}frac{f(z)}{g(z)}&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{a_1(z-z_0)+a_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots}{b_1(z-z_0)+b_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots}\&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{a_1+a_2(z-z_0)+cdots}{b_1+b_2(z-z_0)+cdots}\&=frac{a_1}{b_1}\&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{f'(z)}{g'(z)}.end{align}Can you do the general case now?
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Forgive me but I'm going to need a little bit of elaboration. All I know for $f$ and $g$ is that $z_0$ is their zero of some value, and maybe even different values. Why do you assume that they both have a simple zero? and could you please explain where is your usage of it? I'm not fluent in zeros and poles. Lastly, what do you mean by the "general case"? Thanks again and sorry.
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– Roee
Dec 23 '18 at 16:26
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I proved the statmens assuming explicitely that $z_0$ is a simple zero of both $f$ and $g$. The general case is when there is som $ninmathbb N$ such that$$f(z)=a_n(z-z_0)^n+a_{n+1}(z-z_0)^{n+1}+cdots$$and there is a $minmathbb N$ such that$$g(z)=b_m(z-z_0)^m+b_{m+1}(z-z_0)^{m+1}+cdots$$but you can deal with it the same way that I dealt with the case in which $n=m=1$.
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– José Carlos Santos
Dec 23 '18 at 16:29
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I now understand what you mean about the zeros, but why can you expand $f$ and $g$ into power series if they're only analytical at $z_0$? Is it Taylor series or Laurent series? Thanks again
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– Roee
Dec 23 '18 at 16:49
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It's the Taylor series. If it didn't exist or if it didn't converge to $f(z)$ and to $g(z)$ near $z_0$, then $f$ and $g$ would no be analytic there.
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– José Carlos Santos
Dec 23 '18 at 16:56
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Assum that $z_0$ is a simple zero of both $f$ and $g$. Then, if$$f(z)=a_1(z-z_0)+a_2(z-z_0)^2+cdotstext{ and }g(z)=b_1(z-z_0)+b_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots,$$we havebegin{align}lim_{zto z_0}frac{f(z)}{g(z)}&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{a_1(z-z_0)+a_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots}{b_1(z-z_0)+b_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots}\&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{a_1+a_2(z-z_0)+cdots}{b_1+b_2(z-z_0)+cdots}\&=frac{a_1}{b_1}\&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{f'(z)}{g'(z)}.end{align}Can you do the general case now?
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Forgive me but I'm going to need a little bit of elaboration. All I know for $f$ and $g$ is that $z_0$ is their zero of some value, and maybe even different values. Why do you assume that they both have a simple zero? and could you please explain where is your usage of it? I'm not fluent in zeros and poles. Lastly, what do you mean by the "general case"? Thanks again and sorry.
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– Roee
Dec 23 '18 at 16:26
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I proved the statmens assuming explicitely that $z_0$ is a simple zero of both $f$ and $g$. The general case is when there is som $ninmathbb N$ such that$$f(z)=a_n(z-z_0)^n+a_{n+1}(z-z_0)^{n+1}+cdots$$and there is a $minmathbb N$ such that$$g(z)=b_m(z-z_0)^m+b_{m+1}(z-z_0)^{m+1}+cdots$$but you can deal with it the same way that I dealt with the case in which $n=m=1$.
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– José Carlos Santos
Dec 23 '18 at 16:29
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I now understand what you mean about the zeros, but why can you expand $f$ and $g$ into power series if they're only analytical at $z_0$? Is it Taylor series or Laurent series? Thanks again
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– Roee
Dec 23 '18 at 16:49
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It's the Taylor series. If it didn't exist or if it didn't converge to $f(z)$ and to $g(z)$ near $z_0$, then $f$ and $g$ would no be analytic there.
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– José Carlos Santos
Dec 23 '18 at 16:56
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Assum that $z_0$ is a simple zero of both $f$ and $g$. Then, if$$f(z)=a_1(z-z_0)+a_2(z-z_0)^2+cdotstext{ and }g(z)=b_1(z-z_0)+b_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots,$$we havebegin{align}lim_{zto z_0}frac{f(z)}{g(z)}&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{a_1(z-z_0)+a_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots}{b_1(z-z_0)+b_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots}\&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{a_1+a_2(z-z_0)+cdots}{b_1+b_2(z-z_0)+cdots}\&=frac{a_1}{b_1}\&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{f'(z)}{g'(z)}.end{align}Can you do the general case now?
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Forgive me but I'm going to need a little bit of elaboration. All I know for $f$ and $g$ is that $z_0$ is their zero of some value, and maybe even different values. Why do you assume that they both have a simple zero? and could you please explain where is your usage of it? I'm not fluent in zeros and poles. Lastly, what do you mean by the "general case"? Thanks again and sorry.
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– Roee
Dec 23 '18 at 16:26
1
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I proved the statmens assuming explicitely that $z_0$ is a simple zero of both $f$ and $g$. The general case is when there is som $ninmathbb N$ such that$$f(z)=a_n(z-z_0)^n+a_{n+1}(z-z_0)^{n+1}+cdots$$and there is a $minmathbb N$ such that$$g(z)=b_m(z-z_0)^m+b_{m+1}(z-z_0)^{m+1}+cdots$$but you can deal with it the same way that I dealt with the case in which $n=m=1$.
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– José Carlos Santos
Dec 23 '18 at 16:29
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I now understand what you mean about the zeros, but why can you expand $f$ and $g$ into power series if they're only analytical at $z_0$? Is it Taylor series or Laurent series? Thanks again
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– Roee
Dec 23 '18 at 16:49
1
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It's the Taylor series. If it didn't exist or if it didn't converge to $f(z)$ and to $g(z)$ near $z_0$, then $f$ and $g$ would no be analytic there.
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– José Carlos Santos
Dec 23 '18 at 16:56
add a comment |
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Assum that $z_0$ is a simple zero of both $f$ and $g$. Then, if$$f(z)=a_1(z-z_0)+a_2(z-z_0)^2+cdotstext{ and }g(z)=b_1(z-z_0)+b_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots,$$we havebegin{align}lim_{zto z_0}frac{f(z)}{g(z)}&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{a_1(z-z_0)+a_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots}{b_1(z-z_0)+b_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots}\&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{a_1+a_2(z-z_0)+cdots}{b_1+b_2(z-z_0)+cdots}\&=frac{a_1}{b_1}\&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{f'(z)}{g'(z)}.end{align}Can you do the general case now?
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Assum that $z_0$ is a simple zero of both $f$ and $g$. Then, if$$f(z)=a_1(z-z_0)+a_2(z-z_0)^2+cdotstext{ and }g(z)=b_1(z-z_0)+b_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots,$$we havebegin{align}lim_{zto z_0}frac{f(z)}{g(z)}&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{a_1(z-z_0)+a_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots}{b_1(z-z_0)+b_2(z-z_0)^2+cdots}\&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{a_1+a_2(z-z_0)+cdots}{b_1+b_2(z-z_0)+cdots}\&=frac{a_1}{b_1}\&=lim_{zto z_0}frac{f'(z)}{g'(z)}.end{align}Can you do the general case now?
answered Dec 23 '18 at 15:45
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Forgive me but I'm going to need a little bit of elaboration. All I know for $f$ and $g$ is that $z_0$ is their zero of some value, and maybe even different values. Why do you assume that they both have a simple zero? and could you please explain where is your usage of it? I'm not fluent in zeros and poles. Lastly, what do you mean by the "general case"? Thanks again and sorry.
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– Roee
Dec 23 '18 at 16:26
1
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I proved the statmens assuming explicitely that $z_0$ is a simple zero of both $f$ and $g$. The general case is when there is som $ninmathbb N$ such that$$f(z)=a_n(z-z_0)^n+a_{n+1}(z-z_0)^{n+1}+cdots$$and there is a $minmathbb N$ such that$$g(z)=b_m(z-z_0)^m+b_{m+1}(z-z_0)^{m+1}+cdots$$but you can deal with it the same way that I dealt with the case in which $n=m=1$.
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– José Carlos Santos
Dec 23 '18 at 16:29
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I now understand what you mean about the zeros, but why can you expand $f$ and $g$ into power series if they're only analytical at $z_0$? Is it Taylor series or Laurent series? Thanks again
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– Roee
Dec 23 '18 at 16:49
1
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It's the Taylor series. If it didn't exist or if it didn't converge to $f(z)$ and to $g(z)$ near $z_0$, then $f$ and $g$ would no be analytic there.
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– José Carlos Santos
Dec 23 '18 at 16:56
add a comment |
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Forgive me but I'm going to need a little bit of elaboration. All I know for $f$ and $g$ is that $z_0$ is their zero of some value, and maybe even different values. Why do you assume that they both have a simple zero? and could you please explain where is your usage of it? I'm not fluent in zeros and poles. Lastly, what do you mean by the "general case"? Thanks again and sorry.
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– Roee
Dec 23 '18 at 16:26
1
$begingroup$
I proved the statmens assuming explicitely that $z_0$ is a simple zero of both $f$ and $g$. The general case is when there is som $ninmathbb N$ such that$$f(z)=a_n(z-z_0)^n+a_{n+1}(z-z_0)^{n+1}+cdots$$and there is a $minmathbb N$ such that$$g(z)=b_m(z-z_0)^m+b_{m+1}(z-z_0)^{m+1}+cdots$$but you can deal with it the same way that I dealt with the case in which $n=m=1$.
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– José Carlos Santos
Dec 23 '18 at 16:29
$begingroup$
I now understand what you mean about the zeros, but why can you expand $f$ and $g$ into power series if they're only analytical at $z_0$? Is it Taylor series or Laurent series? Thanks again
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– Roee
Dec 23 '18 at 16:49
1
$begingroup$
It's the Taylor series. If it didn't exist or if it didn't converge to $f(z)$ and to $g(z)$ near $z_0$, then $f$ and $g$ would no be analytic there.
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– José Carlos Santos
Dec 23 '18 at 16:56
$begingroup$
Forgive me but I'm going to need a little bit of elaboration. All I know for $f$ and $g$ is that $z_0$ is their zero of some value, and maybe even different values. Why do you assume that they both have a simple zero? and could you please explain where is your usage of it? I'm not fluent in zeros and poles. Lastly, what do you mean by the "general case"? Thanks again and sorry.
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– Roee
Dec 23 '18 at 16:26
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Forgive me but I'm going to need a little bit of elaboration. All I know for $f$ and $g$ is that $z_0$ is their zero of some value, and maybe even different values. Why do you assume that they both have a simple zero? and could you please explain where is your usage of it? I'm not fluent in zeros and poles. Lastly, what do you mean by the "general case"? Thanks again and sorry.
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– Roee
Dec 23 '18 at 16:26
1
1
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I proved the statmens assuming explicitely that $z_0$ is a simple zero of both $f$ and $g$. The general case is when there is som $ninmathbb N$ such that$$f(z)=a_n(z-z_0)^n+a_{n+1}(z-z_0)^{n+1}+cdots$$and there is a $minmathbb N$ such that$$g(z)=b_m(z-z_0)^m+b_{m+1}(z-z_0)^{m+1}+cdots$$but you can deal with it the same way that I dealt with the case in which $n=m=1$.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
Dec 23 '18 at 16:29
$begingroup$
I proved the statmens assuming explicitely that $z_0$ is a simple zero of both $f$ and $g$. The general case is when there is som $ninmathbb N$ such that$$f(z)=a_n(z-z_0)^n+a_{n+1}(z-z_0)^{n+1}+cdots$$and there is a $minmathbb N$ such that$$g(z)=b_m(z-z_0)^m+b_{m+1}(z-z_0)^{m+1}+cdots$$but you can deal with it the same way that I dealt with the case in which $n=m=1$.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
Dec 23 '18 at 16:29
$begingroup$
I now understand what you mean about the zeros, but why can you expand $f$ and $g$ into power series if they're only analytical at $z_0$? Is it Taylor series or Laurent series? Thanks again
$endgroup$
– Roee
Dec 23 '18 at 16:49
$begingroup$
I now understand what you mean about the zeros, but why can you expand $f$ and $g$ into power series if they're only analytical at $z_0$? Is it Taylor series or Laurent series? Thanks again
$endgroup$
– Roee
Dec 23 '18 at 16:49
1
1
$begingroup$
It's the Taylor series. If it didn't exist or if it didn't converge to $f(z)$ and to $g(z)$ near $z_0$, then $f$ and $g$ would no be analytic there.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
Dec 23 '18 at 16:56
$begingroup$
It's the Taylor series. If it didn't exist or if it didn't converge to $f(z)$ and to $g(z)$ near $z_0$, then $f$ and $g$ would no be analytic there.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
Dec 23 '18 at 16:56
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