Can scale mail be modified to remove disadvantage on Stealth checks?
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One of my players in D&D 5e asked the Blacksmith if he could create some kind of small cushion to muffle the armor and not get disadvantage on stealth anymore. Is this possible? If so, how much does it cost?
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One of my players in D&D 5e asked the Blacksmith if he could create some kind of small cushion to muffle the armor and not get disadvantage on stealth anymore. Is this possible? If so, how much does it cost?
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One of my players in D&D 5e asked the Blacksmith if he could create some kind of small cushion to muffle the armor and not get disadvantage on stealth anymore. Is this possible? If so, how much does it cost?
dnd-5e armor stealth
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One of my players in D&D 5e asked the Blacksmith if he could create some kind of small cushion to muffle the armor and not get disadvantage on stealth anymore. Is this possible? If so, how much does it cost?
dnd-5e armor stealth
dnd-5e armor stealth
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Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already. In its current form, this reads like a "survey"-type question, which isn't really suited to the site's Q&A format because there's no way to pick a "best" answer. Such questions are better suited to forums. However, you could probably edit it to be answerable here by asking instead about the rules (e.g. whether it's possible to modify existing armor to remove disadvantage on Stealth checks).
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Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already. In its current form, this reads like a "survey"-type question, which isn't really suited to the site's Q&A format because there's no way to pick a "best" answer. Such questions are better suited to forums. However, you could probably edit it to be answerable here by asking instead about the rules (e.g. whether it's possible to modify existing armor to remove disadvantage on Stealth checks).
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Jan 7 at 1:28
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There is such a thing, but it's not because of cushioning. It's called Mithral armor.
Mithral is a light, flexible metal. A mithral chain shirt or breastplate can be worn under normal clothes. If the armor normally imposes disadvantage on Dexterity (Stealth) checks or has a Strength requirement, the mithral version of the armor doesn't.
It can be found in the DMG under Magic Item Table B. As for the cost, that's entirely up to the DM but I would not make it cheap. Removing that disadvantage is a game changer for some.
For some examples on pricing:
- In the DMG, an Uncommon magic item runs between 101-500 gp.
- However in Xanathar's, under "Example Downtime Activities / Buying a Magic Item" it's a bit pricier:
- Finding the item to purchase requires at least one workweek of effort and 100 gp in expenses as a start.
- Then the actual item, for being Uncommon rarity is (1d6 × 100) gp, so up to an additional 600 gp.
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Regarding cost, it may be worth referencing the values in the Magic Item Rarity table on DMG p. 135, and/or the "Buying a Magic Item" downtime activity on Xanathar's p. 126.
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Jan 7 at 1:46
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@V2Blast, Added those price suggestions
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A way to solve that problem without adjusting the armor
Take the Medium Armor Master feat
You have practiced moving in Medium Armor to gain the following
benefits:
Wearing Medium Armor doesn’t impose disadvantage on your Dexterity
(Stealth) checks.
When you wear Medium Armor, you can add 3, rather than 2, to your AC
if you have a Dexterity of 16 or higher. (PHB, p. 168).
It will also work with Half Plate armor when you can afford it, or when you acquire it.
Half Plate
AC: 15
Stealth: Disadvantage
Weight: 40 (PHB p. 145)
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In theory, could you have the armor grant that feat when it's equipped?
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– Nzall
Jan 7 at 8:53
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@Nzall That is a question only a DM can answer; I am not sure if that enchantment would be rare or very rare, but that is my estimate; the regular mithral armor only has one of the two features, and the "heavier" the armor the more it seems that the rarity would go up.
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 7 at 11:45
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It is probably not practical to modify an existing suit of scale mail to avoid having disadvantage on stealth checks. However, a well stocked blacksmith probably can provide a mundane solution that has a similar effect, if your character has gold to spend and doesn't mind switching to a completely new set of armor.
A breastplate provides the same AC as scale mail, and does not impose disadvantage on Stealth checks since it is much lighter. It's quite a bit more expensive than steel scale mail (400 gp rather than 50 gp), but it is probably cheaper and easier to find than mithral scale mail or some other kind of magical armor.
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The idea behind stealth disadvantage is that armor is both noisy and REALLY FREAKING HEAVY. As someone who owns a scalemail shirt in real life, being light on your feet is much harder when you're wearing 45 pounds of steel scalemail. Adding more clothing really wouldn't help.
Mithral is a metal that is crazy light and hard as steel. It's also very rare and thus mithral armor is going to be expensive and hard to find.
Additionally, as a DM, you can make them go to someone who enchants items, and they can have it enchanted to not have stealth advantage, but 5e isn't very big into magical items, so it'd probably be a quest to find an enchanter, and it'd probably be just as expensive if not more expensive than buying mithral.
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There is such a thing, but it's not because of cushioning. It's called Mithral armor.
Mithral is a light, flexible metal. A mithral chain shirt or breastplate can be worn under normal clothes. If the armor normally imposes disadvantage on Dexterity (Stealth) checks or has a Strength requirement, the mithral version of the armor doesn't.
It can be found in the DMG under Magic Item Table B. As for the cost, that's entirely up to the DM but I would not make it cheap. Removing that disadvantage is a game changer for some.
For some examples on pricing:
- In the DMG, an Uncommon magic item runs between 101-500 gp.
- However in Xanathar's, under "Example Downtime Activities / Buying a Magic Item" it's a bit pricier:
- Finding the item to purchase requires at least one workweek of effort and 100 gp in expenses as a start.
- Then the actual item, for being Uncommon rarity is (1d6 × 100) gp, so up to an additional 600 gp.
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Regarding cost, it may be worth referencing the values in the Magic Item Rarity table on DMG p. 135, and/or the "Buying a Magic Item" downtime activity on Xanathar's p. 126.
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– V2Blast
Jan 7 at 1:46
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@V2Blast, Added those price suggestions
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There is such a thing, but it's not because of cushioning. It's called Mithral armor.
Mithral is a light, flexible metal. A mithral chain shirt or breastplate can be worn under normal clothes. If the armor normally imposes disadvantage on Dexterity (Stealth) checks or has a Strength requirement, the mithral version of the armor doesn't.
It can be found in the DMG under Magic Item Table B. As for the cost, that's entirely up to the DM but I would not make it cheap. Removing that disadvantage is a game changer for some.
For some examples on pricing:
- In the DMG, an Uncommon magic item runs between 101-500 gp.
- However in Xanathar's, under "Example Downtime Activities / Buying a Magic Item" it's a bit pricier:
- Finding the item to purchase requires at least one workweek of effort and 100 gp in expenses as a start.
- Then the actual item, for being Uncommon rarity is (1d6 × 100) gp, so up to an additional 600 gp.
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Regarding cost, it may be worth referencing the values in the Magic Item Rarity table on DMG p. 135, and/or the "Buying a Magic Item" downtime activity on Xanathar's p. 126.
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– V2Blast
Jan 7 at 1:46
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@V2Blast, Added those price suggestions
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– MivaScott
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There is such a thing, but it's not because of cushioning. It's called Mithral armor.
Mithral is a light, flexible metal. A mithral chain shirt or breastplate can be worn under normal clothes. If the armor normally imposes disadvantage on Dexterity (Stealth) checks or has a Strength requirement, the mithral version of the armor doesn't.
It can be found in the DMG under Magic Item Table B. As for the cost, that's entirely up to the DM but I would not make it cheap. Removing that disadvantage is a game changer for some.
For some examples on pricing:
- In the DMG, an Uncommon magic item runs between 101-500 gp.
- However in Xanathar's, under "Example Downtime Activities / Buying a Magic Item" it's a bit pricier:
- Finding the item to purchase requires at least one workweek of effort and 100 gp in expenses as a start.
- Then the actual item, for being Uncommon rarity is (1d6 × 100) gp, so up to an additional 600 gp.
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There is such a thing, but it's not because of cushioning. It's called Mithral armor.
Mithral is a light, flexible metal. A mithral chain shirt or breastplate can be worn under normal clothes. If the armor normally imposes disadvantage on Dexterity (Stealth) checks or has a Strength requirement, the mithral version of the armor doesn't.
It can be found in the DMG under Magic Item Table B. As for the cost, that's entirely up to the DM but I would not make it cheap. Removing that disadvantage is a game changer for some.
For some examples on pricing:
- In the DMG, an Uncommon magic item runs between 101-500 gp.
- However in Xanathar's, under "Example Downtime Activities / Buying a Magic Item" it's a bit pricier:
- Finding the item to purchase requires at least one workweek of effort and 100 gp in expenses as a start.
- Then the actual item, for being Uncommon rarity is (1d6 × 100) gp, so up to an additional 600 gp.
edited Jan 7 at 5:24
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Regarding cost, it may be worth referencing the values in the Magic Item Rarity table on DMG p. 135, and/or the "Buying a Magic Item" downtime activity on Xanathar's p. 126.
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– V2Blast
Jan 7 at 1:46
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@V2Blast, Added those price suggestions
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– MivaScott
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Regarding cost, it may be worth referencing the values in the Magic Item Rarity table on DMG p. 135, and/or the "Buying a Magic Item" downtime activity on Xanathar's p. 126.
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– V2Blast
Jan 7 at 1:46
1
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@V2Blast, Added those price suggestions
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– MivaScott
Jan 7 at 2:09
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Regarding cost, it may be worth referencing the values in the Magic Item Rarity table on DMG p. 135, and/or the "Buying a Magic Item" downtime activity on Xanathar's p. 126.
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– V2Blast
Jan 7 at 1:46
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Regarding cost, it may be worth referencing the values in the Magic Item Rarity table on DMG p. 135, and/or the "Buying a Magic Item" downtime activity on Xanathar's p. 126.
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– V2Blast
Jan 7 at 1:46
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@V2Blast, Added those price suggestions
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– MivaScott
Jan 7 at 2:09
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@V2Blast, Added those price suggestions
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A way to solve that problem without adjusting the armor
Take the Medium Armor Master feat
You have practiced moving in Medium Armor to gain the following
benefits:
Wearing Medium Armor doesn’t impose disadvantage on your Dexterity
(Stealth) checks.
When you wear Medium Armor, you can add 3, rather than 2, to your AC
if you have a Dexterity of 16 or higher. (PHB, p. 168).
It will also work with Half Plate armor when you can afford it, or when you acquire it.
Half Plate
AC: 15
Stealth: Disadvantage
Weight: 40 (PHB p. 145)
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In theory, could you have the armor grant that feat when it's equipped?
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– Nzall
Jan 7 at 8:53
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@Nzall That is a question only a DM can answer; I am not sure if that enchantment would be rare or very rare, but that is my estimate; the regular mithral armor only has one of the two features, and the "heavier" the armor the more it seems that the rarity would go up.
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 7 at 11:45
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A way to solve that problem without adjusting the armor
Take the Medium Armor Master feat
You have practiced moving in Medium Armor to gain the following
benefits:
Wearing Medium Armor doesn’t impose disadvantage on your Dexterity
(Stealth) checks.
When you wear Medium Armor, you can add 3, rather than 2, to your AC
if you have a Dexterity of 16 or higher. (PHB, p. 168).
It will also work with Half Plate armor when you can afford it, or when you acquire it.
Half Plate
AC: 15
Stealth: Disadvantage
Weight: 40 (PHB p. 145)
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1
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In theory, could you have the armor grant that feat when it's equipped?
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– Nzall
Jan 7 at 8:53
3
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@Nzall That is a question only a DM can answer; I am not sure if that enchantment would be rare or very rare, but that is my estimate; the regular mithral armor only has one of the two features, and the "heavier" the armor the more it seems that the rarity would go up.
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 7 at 11:45
add a comment |
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A way to solve that problem without adjusting the armor
Take the Medium Armor Master feat
You have practiced moving in Medium Armor to gain the following
benefits:
Wearing Medium Armor doesn’t impose disadvantage on your Dexterity
(Stealth) checks.
When you wear Medium Armor, you can add 3, rather than 2, to your AC
if you have a Dexterity of 16 or higher. (PHB, p. 168).
It will also work with Half Plate armor when you can afford it, or when you acquire it.
Half Plate
AC: 15
Stealth: Disadvantage
Weight: 40 (PHB p. 145)
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A way to solve that problem without adjusting the armor
Take the Medium Armor Master feat
You have practiced moving in Medium Armor to gain the following
benefits:
Wearing Medium Armor doesn’t impose disadvantage on your Dexterity
(Stealth) checks.
When you wear Medium Armor, you can add 3, rather than 2, to your AC
if you have a Dexterity of 16 or higher. (PHB, p. 168).
It will also work with Half Plate armor when you can afford it, or when you acquire it.
Half Plate
AC: 15
Stealth: Disadvantage
Weight: 40 (PHB p. 145)
answered Jan 7 at 2:59
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In theory, could you have the armor grant that feat when it's equipped?
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– Nzall
Jan 7 at 8:53
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@Nzall That is a question only a DM can answer; I am not sure if that enchantment would be rare or very rare, but that is my estimate; the regular mithral armor only has one of the two features, and the "heavier" the armor the more it seems that the rarity would go up.
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 7 at 11:45
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In theory, could you have the armor grant that feat when it's equipped?
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– Nzall
Jan 7 at 8:53
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@Nzall That is a question only a DM can answer; I am not sure if that enchantment would be rare or very rare, but that is my estimate; the regular mithral armor only has one of the two features, and the "heavier" the armor the more it seems that the rarity would go up.
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 7 at 11:45
1
1
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In theory, could you have the armor grant that feat when it's equipped?
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– Nzall
Jan 7 at 8:53
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In theory, could you have the armor grant that feat when it's equipped?
$endgroup$
– Nzall
Jan 7 at 8:53
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3
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@Nzall That is a question only a DM can answer; I am not sure if that enchantment would be rare or very rare, but that is my estimate; the regular mithral armor only has one of the two features, and the "heavier" the armor the more it seems that the rarity would go up.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
Jan 7 at 11:45
$begingroup$
@Nzall That is a question only a DM can answer; I am not sure if that enchantment would be rare or very rare, but that is my estimate; the regular mithral armor only has one of the two features, and the "heavier" the armor the more it seems that the rarity would go up.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
Jan 7 at 11:45
add a comment |
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It is probably not practical to modify an existing suit of scale mail to avoid having disadvantage on stealth checks. However, a well stocked blacksmith probably can provide a mundane solution that has a similar effect, if your character has gold to spend and doesn't mind switching to a completely new set of armor.
A breastplate provides the same AC as scale mail, and does not impose disadvantage on Stealth checks since it is much lighter. It's quite a bit more expensive than steel scale mail (400 gp rather than 50 gp), but it is probably cheaper and easier to find than mithral scale mail or some other kind of magical armor.
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It is probably not practical to modify an existing suit of scale mail to avoid having disadvantage on stealth checks. However, a well stocked blacksmith probably can provide a mundane solution that has a similar effect, if your character has gold to spend and doesn't mind switching to a completely new set of armor.
A breastplate provides the same AC as scale mail, and does not impose disadvantage on Stealth checks since it is much lighter. It's quite a bit more expensive than steel scale mail (400 gp rather than 50 gp), but it is probably cheaper and easier to find than mithral scale mail or some other kind of magical armor.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
It is probably not practical to modify an existing suit of scale mail to avoid having disadvantage on stealth checks. However, a well stocked blacksmith probably can provide a mundane solution that has a similar effect, if your character has gold to spend and doesn't mind switching to a completely new set of armor.
A breastplate provides the same AC as scale mail, and does not impose disadvantage on Stealth checks since it is much lighter. It's quite a bit more expensive than steel scale mail (400 gp rather than 50 gp), but it is probably cheaper and easier to find than mithral scale mail or some other kind of magical armor.
$endgroup$
It is probably not practical to modify an existing suit of scale mail to avoid having disadvantage on stealth checks. However, a well stocked blacksmith probably can provide a mundane solution that has a similar effect, if your character has gold to spend and doesn't mind switching to a completely new set of armor.
A breastplate provides the same AC as scale mail, and does not impose disadvantage on Stealth checks since it is much lighter. It's quite a bit more expensive than steel scale mail (400 gp rather than 50 gp), but it is probably cheaper and easier to find than mithral scale mail or some other kind of magical armor.
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The idea behind stealth disadvantage is that armor is both noisy and REALLY FREAKING HEAVY. As someone who owns a scalemail shirt in real life, being light on your feet is much harder when you're wearing 45 pounds of steel scalemail. Adding more clothing really wouldn't help.
Mithral is a metal that is crazy light and hard as steel. It's also very rare and thus mithral armor is going to be expensive and hard to find.
Additionally, as a DM, you can make them go to someone who enchants items, and they can have it enchanted to not have stealth advantage, but 5e isn't very big into magical items, so it'd probably be a quest to find an enchanter, and it'd probably be just as expensive if not more expensive than buying mithral.
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The idea behind stealth disadvantage is that armor is both noisy and REALLY FREAKING HEAVY. As someone who owns a scalemail shirt in real life, being light on your feet is much harder when you're wearing 45 pounds of steel scalemail. Adding more clothing really wouldn't help.
Mithral is a metal that is crazy light and hard as steel. It's also very rare and thus mithral armor is going to be expensive and hard to find.
Additionally, as a DM, you can make them go to someone who enchants items, and they can have it enchanted to not have stealth advantage, but 5e isn't very big into magical items, so it'd probably be a quest to find an enchanter, and it'd probably be just as expensive if not more expensive than buying mithral.
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The idea behind stealth disadvantage is that armor is both noisy and REALLY FREAKING HEAVY. As someone who owns a scalemail shirt in real life, being light on your feet is much harder when you're wearing 45 pounds of steel scalemail. Adding more clothing really wouldn't help.
Mithral is a metal that is crazy light and hard as steel. It's also very rare and thus mithral armor is going to be expensive and hard to find.
Additionally, as a DM, you can make them go to someone who enchants items, and they can have it enchanted to not have stealth advantage, but 5e isn't very big into magical items, so it'd probably be a quest to find an enchanter, and it'd probably be just as expensive if not more expensive than buying mithral.
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The idea behind stealth disadvantage is that armor is both noisy and REALLY FREAKING HEAVY. As someone who owns a scalemail shirt in real life, being light on your feet is much harder when you're wearing 45 pounds of steel scalemail. Adding more clothing really wouldn't help.
Mithral is a metal that is crazy light and hard as steel. It's also very rare and thus mithral armor is going to be expensive and hard to find.
Additionally, as a DM, you can make them go to someone who enchants items, and they can have it enchanted to not have stealth advantage, but 5e isn't very big into magical items, so it'd probably be a quest to find an enchanter, and it'd probably be just as expensive if not more expensive than buying mithral.
answered Jan 7 at 8:51
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Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already. In its current form, this reads like a "survey"-type question, which isn't really suited to the site's Q&A format because there's no way to pick a "best" answer. Such questions are better suited to forums. However, you could probably edit it to be answerable here by asking instead about the rules (e.g. whether it's possible to modify existing armor to remove disadvantage on Stealth checks).
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– V2Blast
Jan 7 at 1:28