Find the volume between the cone $y = sqrt {x^2 + z^2} $ and the sphere $x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 49$.












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Find the volume between the cone $y = sqrt {x^2 + z^2} $ and the sphere $x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 49$.




I know that the volume we're interested in is the volume of the intersection between the sphere of radius $7$ and a an upside down cone in the direction of the $y$-axis, but I have no clue on how to set up the bounds of integration. I'm guessing we are supposed to do this in spherical coordinates, but how would we determine the limits of integration?



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    same as if the cone were along the $z$ axis, so that using spherical coordinates it translates into a limit on just the polar angle. Thus switch $y$ and $z$ in the cone equation.
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Find the volume between the cone $y = sqrt {x^2 + z^2} $ and the sphere $x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 49$.




I know that the volume we're interested in is the volume of the intersection between the sphere of radius $7$ and a an upside down cone in the direction of the $y$-axis, but I have no clue on how to set up the bounds of integration. I'm guessing we are supposed to do this in spherical coordinates, but how would we determine the limits of integration?



Thank you.










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    same as if the cone were along the $z$ axis, so that using spherical coordinates it translates into a limit on just the polar angle. Thus switch $y$ and $z$ in the cone equation.
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Find the volume between the cone $y = sqrt {x^2 + z^2} $ and the sphere $x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 49$.




I know that the volume we're interested in is the volume of the intersection between the sphere of radius $7$ and a an upside down cone in the direction of the $y$-axis, but I have no clue on how to set up the bounds of integration. I'm guessing we are supposed to do this in spherical coordinates, but how would we determine the limits of integration?



Thank you.










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Find the volume between the cone $y = sqrt {x^2 + z^2} $ and the sphere $x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 49$.




I know that the volume we're interested in is the volume of the intersection between the sphere of radius $7$ and a an upside down cone in the direction of the $y$-axis, but I have no clue on how to set up the bounds of integration. I'm guessing we are supposed to do this in spherical coordinates, but how would we determine the limits of integration?



Thank you.







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    same as if the cone were along the $z$ axis, so that using spherical coordinates it translates into a limit on just the polar angle. Thus switch $y$ and $z$ in the cone equation.
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    same as if the cone were along the $z$ axis, so that using spherical coordinates it translates into a limit on just the polar angle. Thus switch $y$ and $z$ in the cone equation.
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    – G Cab
    Apr 9 '17 at 22:48
















$begingroup$
same as if the cone were along the $z$ axis, so that using spherical coordinates it translates into a limit on just the polar angle. Thus switch $y$ and $z$ in the cone equation.
$endgroup$
– G Cab
Apr 9 '17 at 22:48




$begingroup$
same as if the cone were along the $z$ axis, so that using spherical coordinates it translates into a limit on just the polar angle. Thus switch $y$ and $z$ in the cone equation.
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If you want to do it in spherical coordinates notice $z=sqrt{x^2+y^2}$ translates to $z=r$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=49$ translates to $rho=7$.



If $z=r$ then $frac{r}{z}=tan (phi)=1$ so $y=r$ translates to $phi=frac{pi}{4}$.



Hence what we have is,



$$V=int_{0}^{2pi} int_{0}^{frac{pi}{4}} int_{0}^{7} rho^2 sin (phi) drho dphi dtheta$$





Actually because we have $y=sqrt{x^2+z^2}$ I would define a modified version of spherical coordinates. Let $x^2+z^2=r^2$, let $phi$ be angle with positive $y$ axis of a point to the origin with the restriction that $0 leq phi leq pi$. Let $rho$ be the distance from the origin. Let $theta$ be the counterclockwise angle in the $(x,z)$ plane with the positive $x$ axis.



Then I would compute the Jacobian and it will turn out to be $rho^2 sin (phi)$. The equation $frac{r}{y}=tan (phi)$ will hold and calculations will be pretty much identical.





Think about why $frac{r}{z}=tan (phi)$. Image from Paul's math.



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    Hi, I've previously entered the wrong equation - its now corrected. Apologies
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    Ah, thank you - did not think about that. Also, how did you tell that $r/z = tan(phi)$
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    I've added a picture.
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    Oh ok. Since $ z = r$, we can say that the angle between of $phi$ will need to be $tan(phi) = z/r $ using SOHCAHTOA . Thank you
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    Apr 9 '17 at 22:55










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    You mean $frac{r}{z}$ right.
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For given input eliminate $x,z$ etc. and you are left with a circle on the sphere:



$$ x= 7/sqrt2 ,y= 7/sqrt2 ,cos t, z= 7/sqrt2 , sin t $$



You can use established result Gauss Bonnet thm to advantage, since $k_g , K $ are constant as a differential geometry approach.



$$ k_g= frac{1}{7},, s= 2 pi frac{7}{sqrt2},, int k_g ds = frac{pi}{sqrt2} $$



Integral curvature (solid angle)



$$ int int K dA = 2 pi- frac{ pi}{sqrt2}$$



and Volume is solid angle times $R^3/3$



$$= pi(2 - frac{ 1}{sqrt2}) , frac{7^3}{3}. $$






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    $begingroup$

    If you want to do it in spherical coordinates notice $z=sqrt{x^2+y^2}$ translates to $z=r$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=49$ translates to $rho=7$.



    If $z=r$ then $frac{r}{z}=tan (phi)=1$ so $y=r$ translates to $phi=frac{pi}{4}$.



    Hence what we have is,



    $$V=int_{0}^{2pi} int_{0}^{frac{pi}{4}} int_{0}^{7} rho^2 sin (phi) drho dphi dtheta$$





    Actually because we have $y=sqrt{x^2+z^2}$ I would define a modified version of spherical coordinates. Let $x^2+z^2=r^2$, let $phi$ be angle with positive $y$ axis of a point to the origin with the restriction that $0 leq phi leq pi$. Let $rho$ be the distance from the origin. Let $theta$ be the counterclockwise angle in the $(x,z)$ plane with the positive $x$ axis.



    Then I would compute the Jacobian and it will turn out to be $rho^2 sin (phi)$. The equation $frac{r}{y}=tan (phi)$ will hold and calculations will be pretty much identical.





    Think about why $frac{r}{z}=tan (phi)$. Image from Paul's math.



    enter image description here






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      Hi, I've previously entered the wrong equation - its now corrected. Apologies
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      – JC1
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      Ah, thank you - did not think about that. Also, how did you tell that $r/z = tan(phi)$
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      – JC1
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:45










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      I've added a picture.
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      – Ahmed S. Attaalla
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:51










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      Oh ok. Since $ z = r$, we can say that the angle between of $phi$ will need to be $tan(phi) = z/r $ using SOHCAHTOA . Thank you
      $endgroup$
      – JC1
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:55










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      You mean $frac{r}{z}$ right.
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      – Ahmed S. Attaalla
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:57
















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    $begingroup$

    If you want to do it in spherical coordinates notice $z=sqrt{x^2+y^2}$ translates to $z=r$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=49$ translates to $rho=7$.



    If $z=r$ then $frac{r}{z}=tan (phi)=1$ so $y=r$ translates to $phi=frac{pi}{4}$.



    Hence what we have is,



    $$V=int_{0}^{2pi} int_{0}^{frac{pi}{4}} int_{0}^{7} rho^2 sin (phi) drho dphi dtheta$$





    Actually because we have $y=sqrt{x^2+z^2}$ I would define a modified version of spherical coordinates. Let $x^2+z^2=r^2$, let $phi$ be angle with positive $y$ axis of a point to the origin with the restriction that $0 leq phi leq pi$. Let $rho$ be the distance from the origin. Let $theta$ be the counterclockwise angle in the $(x,z)$ plane with the positive $x$ axis.



    Then I would compute the Jacobian and it will turn out to be $rho^2 sin (phi)$. The equation $frac{r}{y}=tan (phi)$ will hold and calculations will be pretty much identical.





    Think about why $frac{r}{z}=tan (phi)$. Image from Paul's math.



    enter image description here






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    • $begingroup$
      Hi, I've previously entered the wrong equation - its now corrected. Apologies
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      – JC1
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:40










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      Ah, thank you - did not think about that. Also, how did you tell that $r/z = tan(phi)$
      $endgroup$
      – JC1
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:45










    • $begingroup$
      I've added a picture.
      $endgroup$
      – Ahmed S. Attaalla
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:51










    • $begingroup$
      Oh ok. Since $ z = r$, we can say that the angle between of $phi$ will need to be $tan(phi) = z/r $ using SOHCAHTOA . Thank you
      $endgroup$
      – JC1
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:55










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      You mean $frac{r}{z}$ right.
      $endgroup$
      – Ahmed S. Attaalla
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:57














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    $begingroup$

    If you want to do it in spherical coordinates notice $z=sqrt{x^2+y^2}$ translates to $z=r$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=49$ translates to $rho=7$.



    If $z=r$ then $frac{r}{z}=tan (phi)=1$ so $y=r$ translates to $phi=frac{pi}{4}$.



    Hence what we have is,



    $$V=int_{0}^{2pi} int_{0}^{frac{pi}{4}} int_{0}^{7} rho^2 sin (phi) drho dphi dtheta$$





    Actually because we have $y=sqrt{x^2+z^2}$ I would define a modified version of spherical coordinates. Let $x^2+z^2=r^2$, let $phi$ be angle with positive $y$ axis of a point to the origin with the restriction that $0 leq phi leq pi$. Let $rho$ be the distance from the origin. Let $theta$ be the counterclockwise angle in the $(x,z)$ plane with the positive $x$ axis.



    Then I would compute the Jacobian and it will turn out to be $rho^2 sin (phi)$. The equation $frac{r}{y}=tan (phi)$ will hold and calculations will be pretty much identical.





    Think about why $frac{r}{z}=tan (phi)$. Image from Paul's math.



    enter image description here






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    If you want to do it in spherical coordinates notice $z=sqrt{x^2+y^2}$ translates to $z=r$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=49$ translates to $rho=7$.



    If $z=r$ then $frac{r}{z}=tan (phi)=1$ so $y=r$ translates to $phi=frac{pi}{4}$.



    Hence what we have is,



    $$V=int_{0}^{2pi} int_{0}^{frac{pi}{4}} int_{0}^{7} rho^2 sin (phi) drho dphi dtheta$$





    Actually because we have $y=sqrt{x^2+z^2}$ I would define a modified version of spherical coordinates. Let $x^2+z^2=r^2$, let $phi$ be angle with positive $y$ axis of a point to the origin with the restriction that $0 leq phi leq pi$. Let $rho$ be the distance from the origin. Let $theta$ be the counterclockwise angle in the $(x,z)$ plane with the positive $x$ axis.



    Then I would compute the Jacobian and it will turn out to be $rho^2 sin (phi)$. The equation $frac{r}{y}=tan (phi)$ will hold and calculations will be pretty much identical.





    Think about why $frac{r}{z}=tan (phi)$. Image from Paul's math.



    enter image description here







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      Hi, I've previously entered the wrong equation - its now corrected. Apologies
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      – JC1
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      Ah, thank you - did not think about that. Also, how did you tell that $r/z = tan(phi)$
      $endgroup$
      – JC1
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:45










    • $begingroup$
      I've added a picture.
      $endgroup$
      – Ahmed S. Attaalla
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:51










    • $begingroup$
      Oh ok. Since $ z = r$, we can say that the angle between of $phi$ will need to be $tan(phi) = z/r $ using SOHCAHTOA . Thank you
      $endgroup$
      – JC1
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:55










    • $begingroup$
      You mean $frac{r}{z}$ right.
      $endgroup$
      – Ahmed S. Attaalla
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:57


















    • $begingroup$
      Hi, I've previously entered the wrong equation - its now corrected. Apologies
      $endgroup$
      – JC1
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:40










    • $begingroup$
      Ah, thank you - did not think about that. Also, how did you tell that $r/z = tan(phi)$
      $endgroup$
      – JC1
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:45










    • $begingroup$
      I've added a picture.
      $endgroup$
      – Ahmed S. Attaalla
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:51










    • $begingroup$
      Oh ok. Since $ z = r$, we can say that the angle between of $phi$ will need to be $tan(phi) = z/r $ using SOHCAHTOA . Thank you
      $endgroup$
      – JC1
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:55










    • $begingroup$
      You mean $frac{r}{z}$ right.
      $endgroup$
      – Ahmed S. Attaalla
      Apr 9 '17 at 22:57
















    $begingroup$
    Hi, I've previously entered the wrong equation - its now corrected. Apologies
    $endgroup$
    – JC1
    Apr 9 '17 at 22:40




    $begingroup$
    Hi, I've previously entered the wrong equation - its now corrected. Apologies
    $endgroup$
    – JC1
    Apr 9 '17 at 22:40












    $begingroup$
    Ah, thank you - did not think about that. Also, how did you tell that $r/z = tan(phi)$
    $endgroup$
    – JC1
    Apr 9 '17 at 22:45




    $begingroup$
    Ah, thank you - did not think about that. Also, how did you tell that $r/z = tan(phi)$
    $endgroup$
    – JC1
    Apr 9 '17 at 22:45












    $begingroup$
    I've added a picture.
    $endgroup$
    – Ahmed S. Attaalla
    Apr 9 '17 at 22:51




    $begingroup$
    I've added a picture.
    $endgroup$
    – Ahmed S. Attaalla
    Apr 9 '17 at 22:51












    $begingroup$
    Oh ok. Since $ z = r$, we can say that the angle between of $phi$ will need to be $tan(phi) = z/r $ using SOHCAHTOA . Thank you
    $endgroup$
    – JC1
    Apr 9 '17 at 22:55




    $begingroup$
    Oh ok. Since $ z = r$, we can say that the angle between of $phi$ will need to be $tan(phi) = z/r $ using SOHCAHTOA . Thank you
    $endgroup$
    – JC1
    Apr 9 '17 at 22:55












    $begingroup$
    You mean $frac{r}{z}$ right.
    $endgroup$
    – Ahmed S. Attaalla
    Apr 9 '17 at 22:57




    $begingroup$
    You mean $frac{r}{z}$ right.
    $endgroup$
    – Ahmed S. Attaalla
    Apr 9 '17 at 22:57











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    For given input eliminate $x,z$ etc. and you are left with a circle on the sphere:



    $$ x= 7/sqrt2 ,y= 7/sqrt2 ,cos t, z= 7/sqrt2 , sin t $$



    You can use established result Gauss Bonnet thm to advantage, since $k_g , K $ are constant as a differential geometry approach.



    $$ k_g= frac{1}{7},, s= 2 pi frac{7}{sqrt2},, int k_g ds = frac{pi}{sqrt2} $$



    Integral curvature (solid angle)



    $$ int int K dA = 2 pi- frac{ pi}{sqrt2}$$



    and Volume is solid angle times $R^3/3$



    $$= pi(2 - frac{ 1}{sqrt2}) , frac{7^3}{3}. $$






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      For given input eliminate $x,z$ etc. and you are left with a circle on the sphere:



      $$ x= 7/sqrt2 ,y= 7/sqrt2 ,cos t, z= 7/sqrt2 , sin t $$



      You can use established result Gauss Bonnet thm to advantage, since $k_g , K $ are constant as a differential geometry approach.



      $$ k_g= frac{1}{7},, s= 2 pi frac{7}{sqrt2},, int k_g ds = frac{pi}{sqrt2} $$



      Integral curvature (solid angle)



      $$ int int K dA = 2 pi- frac{ pi}{sqrt2}$$



      and Volume is solid angle times $R^3/3$



      $$= pi(2 - frac{ 1}{sqrt2}) , frac{7^3}{3}. $$






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        $begingroup$

        For given input eliminate $x,z$ etc. and you are left with a circle on the sphere:



        $$ x= 7/sqrt2 ,y= 7/sqrt2 ,cos t, z= 7/sqrt2 , sin t $$



        You can use established result Gauss Bonnet thm to advantage, since $k_g , K $ are constant as a differential geometry approach.



        $$ k_g= frac{1}{7},, s= 2 pi frac{7}{sqrt2},, int k_g ds = frac{pi}{sqrt2} $$



        Integral curvature (solid angle)



        $$ int int K dA = 2 pi- frac{ pi}{sqrt2}$$



        and Volume is solid angle times $R^3/3$



        $$= pi(2 - frac{ 1}{sqrt2}) , frac{7^3}{3}. $$






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        For given input eliminate $x,z$ etc. and you are left with a circle on the sphere:



        $$ x= 7/sqrt2 ,y= 7/sqrt2 ,cos t, z= 7/sqrt2 , sin t $$



        You can use established result Gauss Bonnet thm to advantage, since $k_g , K $ are constant as a differential geometry approach.



        $$ k_g= frac{1}{7},, s= 2 pi frac{7}{sqrt2},, int k_g ds = frac{pi}{sqrt2} $$



        Integral curvature (solid angle)



        $$ int int K dA = 2 pi- frac{ pi}{sqrt2}$$



        and Volume is solid angle times $R^3/3$



        $$= pi(2 - frac{ 1}{sqrt2}) , frac{7^3}{3}. $$







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