Integral Property: $int^a_{0}f(x)dx=int^a_{0}f(a-x)dx$ [Proof by definition of Riemann Sums]
This link: Why $int_0^af(x)dx=int_0^af(a-x)dx$? addresses this question but I do not follow the proofs in the answers: Each proof starts off with variable $x$ but ends the right hand side with a different variable. How does that work? I can't find this discussed anywhere else on the internet.
For example, how do we get from
$int_0^a f(x)dx$ to $int_a^0 f(a-x)(-dx)$?(I apology if I'm overlooking some silly thing but for some reason I am stuck):
Does anyone know the proof or where else I can find it? Also are there any special conditions on it?
$$int^a_{0}f(x)dx=int^a_{0}f(a-x)dx$$
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This link: Why $int_0^af(x)dx=int_0^af(a-x)dx$? addresses this question but I do not follow the proofs in the answers: Each proof starts off with variable $x$ but ends the right hand side with a different variable. How does that work? I can't find this discussed anywhere else on the internet.
For example, how do we get from
$int_0^a f(x)dx$ to $int_a^0 f(a-x)(-dx)$?(I apology if I'm overlooking some silly thing but for some reason I am stuck):
Does anyone know the proof or where else I can find it? Also are there any special conditions on it?
$$int^a_{0}f(x)dx=int^a_{0}f(a-x)dx$$
calculus integration
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One way to justify this is to remember that a definite integral represents the area under the curve. Both of these integrals represent the same area under the curve, but the second one traces the area backwards.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 4:58
@MichaelBurr do know of a source where I can look this up a little more in detail?
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:14
Take an example, for example, $f(x)=x^2$, let $a=5$; then graph $f(x)$ and $f(5-x)$.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 5:33
When you're looking for a source, are you looking for a source that the definite integral is an area under the curve? The area under the curve can be taken as the definition of the definite integral.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 5:42
No, no I know that very well and I see your point geometrically. I was wondering about this particular property worked out algebraically. Anyhow I understand it both ways much better now. Thanks. But if you do know of a source I wouldn't mind
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:44
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This link: Why $int_0^af(x)dx=int_0^af(a-x)dx$? addresses this question but I do not follow the proofs in the answers: Each proof starts off with variable $x$ but ends the right hand side with a different variable. How does that work? I can't find this discussed anywhere else on the internet.
For example, how do we get from
$int_0^a f(x)dx$ to $int_a^0 f(a-x)(-dx)$?(I apology if I'm overlooking some silly thing but for some reason I am stuck):
Does anyone know the proof or where else I can find it? Also are there any special conditions on it?
$$int^a_{0}f(x)dx=int^a_{0}f(a-x)dx$$
calculus integration
This link: Why $int_0^af(x)dx=int_0^af(a-x)dx$? addresses this question but I do not follow the proofs in the answers: Each proof starts off with variable $x$ but ends the right hand side with a different variable. How does that work? I can't find this discussed anywhere else on the internet.
For example, how do we get from
$int_0^a f(x)dx$ to $int_a^0 f(a-x)(-dx)$?(I apology if I'm overlooking some silly thing but for some reason I am stuck):
Does anyone know the proof or where else I can find it? Also are there any special conditions on it?
$$int^a_{0}f(x)dx=int^a_{0}f(a-x)dx$$
calculus integration
calculus integration
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One way to justify this is to remember that a definite integral represents the area under the curve. Both of these integrals represent the same area under the curve, but the second one traces the area backwards.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 4:58
@MichaelBurr do know of a source where I can look this up a little more in detail?
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:14
Take an example, for example, $f(x)=x^2$, let $a=5$; then graph $f(x)$ and $f(5-x)$.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 5:33
When you're looking for a source, are you looking for a source that the definite integral is an area under the curve? The area under the curve can be taken as the definition of the definite integral.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 5:42
No, no I know that very well and I see your point geometrically. I was wondering about this particular property worked out algebraically. Anyhow I understand it both ways much better now. Thanks. But if you do know of a source I wouldn't mind
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:44
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One way to justify this is to remember that a definite integral represents the area under the curve. Both of these integrals represent the same area under the curve, but the second one traces the area backwards.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 4:58
@MichaelBurr do know of a source where I can look this up a little more in detail?
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:14
Take an example, for example, $f(x)=x^2$, let $a=5$; then graph $f(x)$ and $f(5-x)$.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 5:33
When you're looking for a source, are you looking for a source that the definite integral is an area under the curve? The area under the curve can be taken as the definition of the definite integral.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 5:42
No, no I know that very well and I see your point geometrically. I was wondering about this particular property worked out algebraically. Anyhow I understand it both ways much better now. Thanks. But if you do know of a source I wouldn't mind
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:44
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2
One way to justify this is to remember that a definite integral represents the area under the curve. Both of these integrals represent the same area under the curve, but the second one traces the area backwards.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 4:58
One way to justify this is to remember that a definite integral represents the area under the curve. Both of these integrals represent the same area under the curve, but the second one traces the area backwards.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 4:58
@MichaelBurr do know of a source where I can look this up a little more in detail?
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:14
@MichaelBurr do know of a source where I can look this up a little more in detail?
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:14
Take an example, for example, $f(x)=x^2$, let $a=5$; then graph $f(x)$ and $f(5-x)$.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 5:33
Take an example, for example, $f(x)=x^2$, let $a=5$; then graph $f(x)$ and $f(5-x)$.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 5:33
When you're looking for a source, are you looking for a source that the definite integral is an area under the curve? The area under the curve can be taken as the definition of the definite integral.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 5:42
When you're looking for a source, are you looking for a source that the definite integral is an area under the curve? The area under the curve can be taken as the definition of the definite integral.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 5:42
No, no I know that very well and I see your point geometrically. I was wondering about this particular property worked out algebraically. Anyhow I understand it both ways much better now. Thanks. But if you do know of a source I wouldn't mind
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:44
No, no I know that very well and I see your point geometrically. I was wondering about this particular property worked out algebraically. Anyhow I understand it both ways much better now. Thanks. But if you do know of a source I wouldn't mind
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:44
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The following perhaps groady argument shows that, using the definition of Riemann integrals, we have:
$$int_0^af(x),dx=int_0^af(a-x),dx$$
If we have a partition of $[0,a]$, say $0, x_1, x_2, ldots, x_n, a$, then there is a corresponding partition $0, a-x_n, a-x_{n-1}, ldots a-x_n, a$, also of $[0,a]$. The upper partial sums for the first integral in the first partition are
$$x_1max_{0leq xleq x_1} f(x)+(x_2-x_1)max_{x_1leq xleq x_2} f(x) +ldots + (a-x_n)max_{x_nleq xleq a} f(x)$$
The upper partial sums for the second integral in the second partition are
$$(a-x_n)max_{0leq xleq a-x_n} f(a-x)+(x_n-x_{n-1})max_{a-x_nleq xleq a-x_{n-1}} f(a-x) +ldots \+ (a-x_1)max_{a-x_1leq xleq a} f(a-x)$$
We have
$$max_{0leq xleq a-x_n} f(a-x)= max_{x_nleq xleq a} f(x)$$
and similar equations for the other intervals making up the partitions. We thus see that for each upper partial sum for the first integral, there is a corresponding and equal upper partial sum for the second integral. The same is true for lower partial sums -- just replace max with min. Thus, because the two Riemann integrals have the same collections of lower and upper partial sums, they must have the same value.
Yeah see this clears it up. The definition makes a lot more sense thanks!
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:28
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Good answers were already given. Let us look some pictures.
- $f(-x)$ is the reflection of $f(x)$ about the $y$-axis.

So, from geometric interpretation of integral, we "see" that
$$int_{0}^af(x);dx=int_{-a}^0f(-x);dxtag{1}$$
- $f(a-x)$ is the horizontal translation $a$ units to the right of $f(-x)$ .

So,
$$int_{-a}^0f(-x);dx=int_{0}^af(a-x);dxtag{2}$$
- From $(1)$ and $(2)$ we get
$$int_0^af(x);dx=int_{0}^af(a-x);dx$$
"f(−x) is the reflection of f(x) about the y-axis"- But won't that be true only for odd functions?
– Mr Reality
Oct 14 '17 at 10:31
@MrReality Given $f:[0,a]tomathbb R$, the new function $g:[-a,0]tomathbb R$ defined by $g(x)=f(-x)$ is the reflection of $f$ about the y-axis. In my post, $f(-x)$ stands for $g$ (as well as $f(x)$ stands for the original function $f$ and $f(a-x)$ stands for the translation $g_a:[0,a]to mathbb R$ of $g$ defined by $g_a(x)=g(x-a)=f(a-x)$). It is an abuse of notation.
– Pedro
Oct 15 '17 at 16:34
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Let $u=a-x$, we have $du=-dx$, then
$$int_{0}^{a}f(a-x)dx=int_{u=a}^{u=0}-f(u)du=-int_a^0f(u)du=int_0^af(u)du$$
Since $int_0^a f(x)dx=int_0^a f(u)du$ (independent of the relationship between $x$ and $u$) we are done. This is because the variable of integration is a dummy variable
Intuitively, what's going on is we are reversing the order that we are looking at terms. Integrals are summations, and what this $u$-substitution highlights is the fact that when we look at $f(a-x)$ what we are really doing is changing the order in which we add up the terms.
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"Since mathematics is invariant under change of notation", can you please explain this a little more. Thank you
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:06
It doesn't matter what symbols you use in an expression.... if you use $x$ or $y$ or $u$ or a small drawing of a house, the integral is still the same. Thus the integral on the right adds up to the same number as if it were written with $x$'s
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:15
Yes I understand that we can always use any variable, and we had used a, b or anything else is fine, but when we have already set $x = a -u$ shouldn't we follow suit when changing $x$ to $u$(because a relationship exists between them)
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:18
If you're still having trouble getting this, try drawing a picture. Shade in the areas computed by each integral
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:18
We do have that relationship, but it's irrelevant. If my comment is confusion, just ignore it. All I'm pointing out is that $int f(u)du=int f(x)dx$ no mater what the relationship between $u$ and $x$ is.
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:20
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Let $ u = a-x $. Then $du = -dx$ and when $x = 0$, $u = a$ and when $x=a$, $u=0$.
Then write the second integral:
$$ int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(a-x) ,dx = -int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(u) , du \
= -int_{u=a}^{u=0} f(u) , du = int_{u=0}^{u=a} f(u) , du = int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(x) , dx
$$
The last step is just using a different symbolfor a "dummy variable".
Yes but that doesn't mean that $u = x$ ; we have taken $u = a - x$?
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:02
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In the next to last integral, what we call "$u$" is irrelevant (as long as it does not match one of the variables appearing in the limits); for example, $int_0^a f(x) , dx = int_0^a f(t) , dt$ and so forth. In fact, the point of the exercise was to get you used to manipulating the dummy integration variables in this way, so that in more complicated cases you are at least familiar with this technique.
– Mark Fischler
Dec 21 '15 at 14:38
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The following perhaps groady argument shows that, using the definition of Riemann integrals, we have:
$$int_0^af(x),dx=int_0^af(a-x),dx$$
If we have a partition of $[0,a]$, say $0, x_1, x_2, ldots, x_n, a$, then there is a corresponding partition $0, a-x_n, a-x_{n-1}, ldots a-x_n, a$, also of $[0,a]$. The upper partial sums for the first integral in the first partition are
$$x_1max_{0leq xleq x_1} f(x)+(x_2-x_1)max_{x_1leq xleq x_2} f(x) +ldots + (a-x_n)max_{x_nleq xleq a} f(x)$$
The upper partial sums for the second integral in the second partition are
$$(a-x_n)max_{0leq xleq a-x_n} f(a-x)+(x_n-x_{n-1})max_{a-x_nleq xleq a-x_{n-1}} f(a-x) +ldots \+ (a-x_1)max_{a-x_1leq xleq a} f(a-x)$$
We have
$$max_{0leq xleq a-x_n} f(a-x)= max_{x_nleq xleq a} f(x)$$
and similar equations for the other intervals making up the partitions. We thus see that for each upper partial sum for the first integral, there is a corresponding and equal upper partial sum for the second integral. The same is true for lower partial sums -- just replace max with min. Thus, because the two Riemann integrals have the same collections of lower and upper partial sums, they must have the same value.
Yeah see this clears it up. The definition makes a lot more sense thanks!
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:28
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The following perhaps groady argument shows that, using the definition of Riemann integrals, we have:
$$int_0^af(x),dx=int_0^af(a-x),dx$$
If we have a partition of $[0,a]$, say $0, x_1, x_2, ldots, x_n, a$, then there is a corresponding partition $0, a-x_n, a-x_{n-1}, ldots a-x_n, a$, also of $[0,a]$. The upper partial sums for the first integral in the first partition are
$$x_1max_{0leq xleq x_1} f(x)+(x_2-x_1)max_{x_1leq xleq x_2} f(x) +ldots + (a-x_n)max_{x_nleq xleq a} f(x)$$
The upper partial sums for the second integral in the second partition are
$$(a-x_n)max_{0leq xleq a-x_n} f(a-x)+(x_n-x_{n-1})max_{a-x_nleq xleq a-x_{n-1}} f(a-x) +ldots \+ (a-x_1)max_{a-x_1leq xleq a} f(a-x)$$
We have
$$max_{0leq xleq a-x_n} f(a-x)= max_{x_nleq xleq a} f(x)$$
and similar equations for the other intervals making up the partitions. We thus see that for each upper partial sum for the first integral, there is a corresponding and equal upper partial sum for the second integral. The same is true for lower partial sums -- just replace max with min. Thus, because the two Riemann integrals have the same collections of lower and upper partial sums, they must have the same value.
Yeah see this clears it up. The definition makes a lot more sense thanks!
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:28
add a comment |
The following perhaps groady argument shows that, using the definition of Riemann integrals, we have:
$$int_0^af(x),dx=int_0^af(a-x),dx$$
If we have a partition of $[0,a]$, say $0, x_1, x_2, ldots, x_n, a$, then there is a corresponding partition $0, a-x_n, a-x_{n-1}, ldots a-x_n, a$, also of $[0,a]$. The upper partial sums for the first integral in the first partition are
$$x_1max_{0leq xleq x_1} f(x)+(x_2-x_1)max_{x_1leq xleq x_2} f(x) +ldots + (a-x_n)max_{x_nleq xleq a} f(x)$$
The upper partial sums for the second integral in the second partition are
$$(a-x_n)max_{0leq xleq a-x_n} f(a-x)+(x_n-x_{n-1})max_{a-x_nleq xleq a-x_{n-1}} f(a-x) +ldots \+ (a-x_1)max_{a-x_1leq xleq a} f(a-x)$$
We have
$$max_{0leq xleq a-x_n} f(a-x)= max_{x_nleq xleq a} f(x)$$
and similar equations for the other intervals making up the partitions. We thus see that for each upper partial sum for the first integral, there is a corresponding and equal upper partial sum for the second integral. The same is true for lower partial sums -- just replace max with min. Thus, because the two Riemann integrals have the same collections of lower and upper partial sums, they must have the same value.
The following perhaps groady argument shows that, using the definition of Riemann integrals, we have:
$$int_0^af(x),dx=int_0^af(a-x),dx$$
If we have a partition of $[0,a]$, say $0, x_1, x_2, ldots, x_n, a$, then there is a corresponding partition $0, a-x_n, a-x_{n-1}, ldots a-x_n, a$, also of $[0,a]$. The upper partial sums for the first integral in the first partition are
$$x_1max_{0leq xleq x_1} f(x)+(x_2-x_1)max_{x_1leq xleq x_2} f(x) +ldots + (a-x_n)max_{x_nleq xleq a} f(x)$$
The upper partial sums for the second integral in the second partition are
$$(a-x_n)max_{0leq xleq a-x_n} f(a-x)+(x_n-x_{n-1})max_{a-x_nleq xleq a-x_{n-1}} f(a-x) +ldots \+ (a-x_1)max_{a-x_1leq xleq a} f(a-x)$$
We have
$$max_{0leq xleq a-x_n} f(a-x)= max_{x_nleq xleq a} f(x)$$
and similar equations for the other intervals making up the partitions. We thus see that for each upper partial sum for the first integral, there is a corresponding and equal upper partial sum for the second integral. The same is true for lower partial sums -- just replace max with min. Thus, because the two Riemann integrals have the same collections of lower and upper partial sums, they must have the same value.
answered Dec 20 '15 at 5:22
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Yeah see this clears it up. The definition makes a lot more sense thanks!
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:28
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Yeah see this clears it up. The definition makes a lot more sense thanks!
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:28
Yeah see this clears it up. The definition makes a lot more sense thanks!
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:28
Yeah see this clears it up. The definition makes a lot more sense thanks!
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:28
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Good answers were already given. Let us look some pictures.
- $f(-x)$ is the reflection of $f(x)$ about the $y$-axis.

So, from geometric interpretation of integral, we "see" that
$$int_{0}^af(x);dx=int_{-a}^0f(-x);dxtag{1}$$
- $f(a-x)$ is the horizontal translation $a$ units to the right of $f(-x)$ .

So,
$$int_{-a}^0f(-x);dx=int_{0}^af(a-x);dxtag{2}$$
- From $(1)$ and $(2)$ we get
$$int_0^af(x);dx=int_{0}^af(a-x);dx$$
"f(−x) is the reflection of f(x) about the y-axis"- But won't that be true only for odd functions?
– Mr Reality
Oct 14 '17 at 10:31
@MrReality Given $f:[0,a]tomathbb R$, the new function $g:[-a,0]tomathbb R$ defined by $g(x)=f(-x)$ is the reflection of $f$ about the y-axis. In my post, $f(-x)$ stands for $g$ (as well as $f(x)$ stands for the original function $f$ and $f(a-x)$ stands for the translation $g_a:[0,a]to mathbb R$ of $g$ defined by $g_a(x)=g(x-a)=f(a-x)$). It is an abuse of notation.
– Pedro
Oct 15 '17 at 16:34
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Good answers were already given. Let us look some pictures.
- $f(-x)$ is the reflection of $f(x)$ about the $y$-axis.

So, from geometric interpretation of integral, we "see" that
$$int_{0}^af(x);dx=int_{-a}^0f(-x);dxtag{1}$$
- $f(a-x)$ is the horizontal translation $a$ units to the right of $f(-x)$ .

So,
$$int_{-a}^0f(-x);dx=int_{0}^af(a-x);dxtag{2}$$
- From $(1)$ and $(2)$ we get
$$int_0^af(x);dx=int_{0}^af(a-x);dx$$
"f(−x) is the reflection of f(x) about the y-axis"- But won't that be true only for odd functions?
– Mr Reality
Oct 14 '17 at 10:31
@MrReality Given $f:[0,a]tomathbb R$, the new function $g:[-a,0]tomathbb R$ defined by $g(x)=f(-x)$ is the reflection of $f$ about the y-axis. In my post, $f(-x)$ stands for $g$ (as well as $f(x)$ stands for the original function $f$ and $f(a-x)$ stands for the translation $g_a:[0,a]to mathbb R$ of $g$ defined by $g_a(x)=g(x-a)=f(a-x)$). It is an abuse of notation.
– Pedro
Oct 15 '17 at 16:34
add a comment |
Good answers were already given. Let us look some pictures.
- $f(-x)$ is the reflection of $f(x)$ about the $y$-axis.

So, from geometric interpretation of integral, we "see" that
$$int_{0}^af(x);dx=int_{-a}^0f(-x);dxtag{1}$$
- $f(a-x)$ is the horizontal translation $a$ units to the right of $f(-x)$ .

So,
$$int_{-a}^0f(-x);dx=int_{0}^af(a-x);dxtag{2}$$
- From $(1)$ and $(2)$ we get
$$int_0^af(x);dx=int_{0}^af(a-x);dx$$
Good answers were already given. Let us look some pictures.
- $f(-x)$ is the reflection of $f(x)$ about the $y$-axis.

So, from geometric interpretation of integral, we "see" that
$$int_{0}^af(x);dx=int_{-a}^0f(-x);dxtag{1}$$
- $f(a-x)$ is the horizontal translation $a$ units to the right of $f(-x)$ .

So,
$$int_{-a}^0f(-x);dx=int_{0}^af(a-x);dxtag{2}$$
- From $(1)$ and $(2)$ we get
$$int_0^af(x);dx=int_{0}^af(a-x);dx$$
answered Dec 20 '15 at 7:04
Pedro
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10.2k23068
"f(−x) is the reflection of f(x) about the y-axis"- But won't that be true only for odd functions?
– Mr Reality
Oct 14 '17 at 10:31
@MrReality Given $f:[0,a]tomathbb R$, the new function $g:[-a,0]tomathbb R$ defined by $g(x)=f(-x)$ is the reflection of $f$ about the y-axis. In my post, $f(-x)$ stands for $g$ (as well as $f(x)$ stands for the original function $f$ and $f(a-x)$ stands for the translation $g_a:[0,a]to mathbb R$ of $g$ defined by $g_a(x)=g(x-a)=f(a-x)$). It is an abuse of notation.
– Pedro
Oct 15 '17 at 16:34
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"f(−x) is the reflection of f(x) about the y-axis"- But won't that be true only for odd functions?
– Mr Reality
Oct 14 '17 at 10:31
@MrReality Given $f:[0,a]tomathbb R$, the new function $g:[-a,0]tomathbb R$ defined by $g(x)=f(-x)$ is the reflection of $f$ about the y-axis. In my post, $f(-x)$ stands for $g$ (as well as $f(x)$ stands for the original function $f$ and $f(a-x)$ stands for the translation $g_a:[0,a]to mathbb R$ of $g$ defined by $g_a(x)=g(x-a)=f(a-x)$). It is an abuse of notation.
– Pedro
Oct 15 '17 at 16:34
"f(−x) is the reflection of f(x) about the y-axis"- But won't that be true only for odd functions?
– Mr Reality
Oct 14 '17 at 10:31
"f(−x) is the reflection of f(x) about the y-axis"- But won't that be true only for odd functions?
– Mr Reality
Oct 14 '17 at 10:31
@MrReality Given $f:[0,a]tomathbb R$, the new function $g:[-a,0]tomathbb R$ defined by $g(x)=f(-x)$ is the reflection of $f$ about the y-axis. In my post, $f(-x)$ stands for $g$ (as well as $f(x)$ stands for the original function $f$ and $f(a-x)$ stands for the translation $g_a:[0,a]to mathbb R$ of $g$ defined by $g_a(x)=g(x-a)=f(a-x)$). It is an abuse of notation.
– Pedro
Oct 15 '17 at 16:34
@MrReality Given $f:[0,a]tomathbb R$, the new function $g:[-a,0]tomathbb R$ defined by $g(x)=f(-x)$ is the reflection of $f$ about the y-axis. In my post, $f(-x)$ stands for $g$ (as well as $f(x)$ stands for the original function $f$ and $f(a-x)$ stands for the translation $g_a:[0,a]to mathbb R$ of $g$ defined by $g_a(x)=g(x-a)=f(a-x)$). It is an abuse of notation.
– Pedro
Oct 15 '17 at 16:34
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Let $u=a-x$, we have $du=-dx$, then
$$int_{0}^{a}f(a-x)dx=int_{u=a}^{u=0}-f(u)du=-int_a^0f(u)du=int_0^af(u)du$$
Since $int_0^a f(x)dx=int_0^a f(u)du$ (independent of the relationship between $x$ and $u$) we are done. This is because the variable of integration is a dummy variable
Intuitively, what's going on is we are reversing the order that we are looking at terms. Integrals are summations, and what this $u$-substitution highlights is the fact that when we look at $f(a-x)$ what we are really doing is changing the order in which we add up the terms.
1
"Since mathematics is invariant under change of notation", can you please explain this a little more. Thank you
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:06
It doesn't matter what symbols you use in an expression.... if you use $x$ or $y$ or $u$ or a small drawing of a house, the integral is still the same. Thus the integral on the right adds up to the same number as if it were written with $x$'s
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:15
Yes I understand that we can always use any variable, and we had used a, b or anything else is fine, but when we have already set $x = a -u$ shouldn't we follow suit when changing $x$ to $u$(because a relationship exists between them)
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:18
If you're still having trouble getting this, try drawing a picture. Shade in the areas computed by each integral
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:18
We do have that relationship, but it's irrelevant. If my comment is confusion, just ignore it. All I'm pointing out is that $int f(u)du=int f(x)dx$ no mater what the relationship between $u$ and $x$ is.
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:20
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Let $u=a-x$, we have $du=-dx$, then
$$int_{0}^{a}f(a-x)dx=int_{u=a}^{u=0}-f(u)du=-int_a^0f(u)du=int_0^af(u)du$$
Since $int_0^a f(x)dx=int_0^a f(u)du$ (independent of the relationship between $x$ and $u$) we are done. This is because the variable of integration is a dummy variable
Intuitively, what's going on is we are reversing the order that we are looking at terms. Integrals are summations, and what this $u$-substitution highlights is the fact that when we look at $f(a-x)$ what we are really doing is changing the order in which we add up the terms.
1
"Since mathematics is invariant under change of notation", can you please explain this a little more. Thank you
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:06
It doesn't matter what symbols you use in an expression.... if you use $x$ or $y$ or $u$ or a small drawing of a house, the integral is still the same. Thus the integral on the right adds up to the same number as if it were written with $x$'s
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:15
Yes I understand that we can always use any variable, and we had used a, b or anything else is fine, but when we have already set $x = a -u$ shouldn't we follow suit when changing $x$ to $u$(because a relationship exists between them)
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:18
If you're still having trouble getting this, try drawing a picture. Shade in the areas computed by each integral
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:18
We do have that relationship, but it's irrelevant. If my comment is confusion, just ignore it. All I'm pointing out is that $int f(u)du=int f(x)dx$ no mater what the relationship between $u$ and $x$ is.
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:20
|
show 1 more comment
Let $u=a-x$, we have $du=-dx$, then
$$int_{0}^{a}f(a-x)dx=int_{u=a}^{u=0}-f(u)du=-int_a^0f(u)du=int_0^af(u)du$$
Since $int_0^a f(x)dx=int_0^a f(u)du$ (independent of the relationship between $x$ and $u$) we are done. This is because the variable of integration is a dummy variable
Intuitively, what's going on is we are reversing the order that we are looking at terms. Integrals are summations, and what this $u$-substitution highlights is the fact that when we look at $f(a-x)$ what we are really doing is changing the order in which we add up the terms.
Let $u=a-x$, we have $du=-dx$, then
$$int_{0}^{a}f(a-x)dx=int_{u=a}^{u=0}-f(u)du=-int_a^0f(u)du=int_0^af(u)du$$
Since $int_0^a f(x)dx=int_0^a f(u)du$ (independent of the relationship between $x$ and $u$) we are done. This is because the variable of integration is a dummy variable
Intuitively, what's going on is we are reversing the order that we are looking at terms. Integrals are summations, and what this $u$-substitution highlights is the fact that when we look at $f(a-x)$ what we are really doing is changing the order in which we add up the terms.
edited Dec 20 '15 at 5:27
answered Dec 20 '15 at 4:58
Stella Biderman
26.5k63275
26.5k63275
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"Since mathematics is invariant under change of notation", can you please explain this a little more. Thank you
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:06
It doesn't matter what symbols you use in an expression.... if you use $x$ or $y$ or $u$ or a small drawing of a house, the integral is still the same. Thus the integral on the right adds up to the same number as if it were written with $x$'s
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:15
Yes I understand that we can always use any variable, and we had used a, b or anything else is fine, but when we have already set $x = a -u$ shouldn't we follow suit when changing $x$ to $u$(because a relationship exists between them)
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:18
If you're still having trouble getting this, try drawing a picture. Shade in the areas computed by each integral
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:18
We do have that relationship, but it's irrelevant. If my comment is confusion, just ignore it. All I'm pointing out is that $int f(u)du=int f(x)dx$ no mater what the relationship between $u$ and $x$ is.
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:20
|
show 1 more comment
1
"Since mathematics is invariant under change of notation", can you please explain this a little more. Thank you
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:06
It doesn't matter what symbols you use in an expression.... if you use $x$ or $y$ or $u$ or a small drawing of a house, the integral is still the same. Thus the integral on the right adds up to the same number as if it were written with $x$'s
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:15
Yes I understand that we can always use any variable, and we had used a, b or anything else is fine, but when we have already set $x = a -u$ shouldn't we follow suit when changing $x$ to $u$(because a relationship exists between them)
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:18
If you're still having trouble getting this, try drawing a picture. Shade in the areas computed by each integral
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:18
We do have that relationship, but it's irrelevant. If my comment is confusion, just ignore it. All I'm pointing out is that $int f(u)du=int f(x)dx$ no mater what the relationship between $u$ and $x$ is.
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:20
1
1
"Since mathematics is invariant under change of notation", can you please explain this a little more. Thank you
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:06
"Since mathematics is invariant under change of notation", can you please explain this a little more. Thank you
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:06
It doesn't matter what symbols you use in an expression.... if you use $x$ or $y$ or $u$ or a small drawing of a house, the integral is still the same. Thus the integral on the right adds up to the same number as if it were written with $x$'s
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:15
It doesn't matter what symbols you use in an expression.... if you use $x$ or $y$ or $u$ or a small drawing of a house, the integral is still the same. Thus the integral on the right adds up to the same number as if it were written with $x$'s
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:15
Yes I understand that we can always use any variable, and we had used a, b or anything else is fine, but when we have already set $x = a -u$ shouldn't we follow suit when changing $x$ to $u$(because a relationship exists between them)
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:18
Yes I understand that we can always use any variable, and we had used a, b or anything else is fine, but when we have already set $x = a -u$ shouldn't we follow suit when changing $x$ to $u$(because a relationship exists between them)
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:18
If you're still having trouble getting this, try drawing a picture. Shade in the areas computed by each integral
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:18
If you're still having trouble getting this, try drawing a picture. Shade in the areas computed by each integral
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:18
We do have that relationship, but it's irrelevant. If my comment is confusion, just ignore it. All I'm pointing out is that $int f(u)du=int f(x)dx$ no mater what the relationship between $u$ and $x$ is.
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:20
We do have that relationship, but it's irrelevant. If my comment is confusion, just ignore it. All I'm pointing out is that $int f(u)du=int f(x)dx$ no mater what the relationship between $u$ and $x$ is.
– Stella Biderman
Dec 20 '15 at 5:20
|
show 1 more comment
Let $ u = a-x $. Then $du = -dx$ and when $x = 0$, $u = a$ and when $x=a$, $u=0$.
Then write the second integral:
$$ int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(a-x) ,dx = -int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(u) , du \
= -int_{u=a}^{u=0} f(u) , du = int_{u=0}^{u=a} f(u) , du = int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(x) , dx
$$
The last step is just using a different symbolfor a "dummy variable".
Yes but that doesn't mean that $u = x$ ; we have taken $u = a - x$?
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:02
1
In the next to last integral, what we call "$u$" is irrelevant (as long as it does not match one of the variables appearing in the limits); for example, $int_0^a f(x) , dx = int_0^a f(t) , dt$ and so forth. In fact, the point of the exercise was to get you used to manipulating the dummy integration variables in this way, so that in more complicated cases you are at least familiar with this technique.
– Mark Fischler
Dec 21 '15 at 14:38
add a comment |
Let $ u = a-x $. Then $du = -dx$ and when $x = 0$, $u = a$ and when $x=a$, $u=0$.
Then write the second integral:
$$ int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(a-x) ,dx = -int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(u) , du \
= -int_{u=a}^{u=0} f(u) , du = int_{u=0}^{u=a} f(u) , du = int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(x) , dx
$$
The last step is just using a different symbolfor a "dummy variable".
Yes but that doesn't mean that $u = x$ ; we have taken $u = a - x$?
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:02
1
In the next to last integral, what we call "$u$" is irrelevant (as long as it does not match one of the variables appearing in the limits); for example, $int_0^a f(x) , dx = int_0^a f(t) , dt$ and so forth. In fact, the point of the exercise was to get you used to manipulating the dummy integration variables in this way, so that in more complicated cases you are at least familiar with this technique.
– Mark Fischler
Dec 21 '15 at 14:38
add a comment |
Let $ u = a-x $. Then $du = -dx$ and when $x = 0$, $u = a$ and when $x=a$, $u=0$.
Then write the second integral:
$$ int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(a-x) ,dx = -int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(u) , du \
= -int_{u=a}^{u=0} f(u) , du = int_{u=0}^{u=a} f(u) , du = int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(x) , dx
$$
The last step is just using a different symbolfor a "dummy variable".
Let $ u = a-x $. Then $du = -dx$ and when $x = 0$, $u = a$ and when $x=a$, $u=0$.
Then write the second integral:
$$ int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(a-x) ,dx = -int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(u) , du \
= -int_{u=a}^{u=0} f(u) , du = int_{u=0}^{u=a} f(u) , du = int_{x=0}^{x=a} f(x) , dx
$$
The last step is just using a different symbolfor a "dummy variable".
answered Dec 20 '15 at 5:00
Mark Fischler
32.4k12250
32.4k12250
Yes but that doesn't mean that $u = x$ ; we have taken $u = a - x$?
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:02
1
In the next to last integral, what we call "$u$" is irrelevant (as long as it does not match one of the variables appearing in the limits); for example, $int_0^a f(x) , dx = int_0^a f(t) , dt$ and so forth. In fact, the point of the exercise was to get you used to manipulating the dummy integration variables in this way, so that in more complicated cases you are at least familiar with this technique.
– Mark Fischler
Dec 21 '15 at 14:38
add a comment |
Yes but that doesn't mean that $u = x$ ; we have taken $u = a - x$?
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:02
1
In the next to last integral, what we call "$u$" is irrelevant (as long as it does not match one of the variables appearing in the limits); for example, $int_0^a f(x) , dx = int_0^a f(t) , dt$ and so forth. In fact, the point of the exercise was to get you used to manipulating the dummy integration variables in this way, so that in more complicated cases you are at least familiar with this technique.
– Mark Fischler
Dec 21 '15 at 14:38
Yes but that doesn't mean that $u = x$ ; we have taken $u = a - x$?
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:02
Yes but that doesn't mean that $u = x$ ; we have taken $u = a - x$?
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:02
1
1
In the next to last integral, what we call "$u$" is irrelevant (as long as it does not match one of the variables appearing in the limits); for example, $int_0^a f(x) , dx = int_0^a f(t) , dt$ and so forth. In fact, the point of the exercise was to get you used to manipulating the dummy integration variables in this way, so that in more complicated cases you are at least familiar with this technique.
– Mark Fischler
Dec 21 '15 at 14:38
In the next to last integral, what we call "$u$" is irrelevant (as long as it does not match one of the variables appearing in the limits); for example, $int_0^a f(x) , dx = int_0^a f(t) , dt$ and so forth. In fact, the point of the exercise was to get you used to manipulating the dummy integration variables in this way, so that in more complicated cases you are at least familiar with this technique.
– Mark Fischler
Dec 21 '15 at 14:38
add a comment |
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One way to justify this is to remember that a definite integral represents the area under the curve. Both of these integrals represent the same area under the curve, but the second one traces the area backwards.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 4:58
@MichaelBurr do know of a source where I can look this up a little more in detail?
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:14
Take an example, for example, $f(x)=x^2$, let $a=5$; then graph $f(x)$ and $f(5-x)$.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 5:33
When you're looking for a source, are you looking for a source that the definite integral is an area under the curve? The area under the curve can be taken as the definition of the definite integral.
– Michael Burr
Dec 20 '15 at 5:42
No, no I know that very well and I see your point geometrically. I was wondering about this particular property worked out algebraically. Anyhow I understand it both ways much better now. Thanks. But if you do know of a source I wouldn't mind
– Red
Dec 20 '15 at 5:44