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I've seen the answers to this question, which are pretty good, but I'd like to have a bit better of an idea about what it means to be weakly differentiable. I have two questions in particular.




  1. The top answer states that "a weakly differentiable function looks differentiable except for on sets of zero measure". Does that mean that if $f$ is weakly differentiable on $Omega$, there exists a set $E subset Omega$ of zero measure such that $f left|_{Omegabackslash E} right.$ is differentiable?


  2. An example (still in the top answer to the linked question) shows that "well-behaved" functions with jump discontinuities are not weakly differentiable. Does that mean that any weakly differentiable function $f$ has a representative (i.e. a function differing only on a set of measure zero) that is continuous?











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    You might want to start by getting some intuition about distributional derivatives since weak derivatives are a special case. From a technical point of view, weak derivatives are nicer, but I would say distributional derivatives in general are much more interesting.
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    Okay, but that doesn't answer my two particular questions above.
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    – Sambo
    Jun 4 '18 at 17:46






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    For 1 the answer is yes, and it's a generalization of Rademacher's Theorem (see Evans's book on PDE). For 2 the answer is yes in 1 dimension (in fact having a weak derivative in this case implies absolute continuity), but no in higher dimensions: Play around with $|x|^a$ with $ainmathbb{R} $ and see when this has a weak derivative.
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    – Jose27
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    @Jose27 Thank you for your response. If you want a shot at the bounty you should make your comment into an answer!
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    – Sambo
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I've seen the answers to this question, which are pretty good, but I'd like to have a bit better of an idea about what it means to be weakly differentiable. I have two questions in particular.




  1. The top answer states that "a weakly differentiable function looks differentiable except for on sets of zero measure". Does that mean that if $f$ is weakly differentiable on $Omega$, there exists a set $E subset Omega$ of zero measure such that $f left|_{Omegabackslash E} right.$ is differentiable?


  2. An example (still in the top answer to the linked question) shows that "well-behaved" functions with jump discontinuities are not weakly differentiable. Does that mean that any weakly differentiable function $f$ has a representative (i.e. a function differing only on a set of measure zero) that is continuous?











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    You might want to start by getting some intuition about distributional derivatives since weak derivatives are a special case. From a technical point of view, weak derivatives are nicer, but I would say distributional derivatives in general are much more interesting.
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    – fourierwho
    Jun 3 '18 at 17:50










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    Okay, but that doesn't answer my two particular questions above.
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    – Sambo
    Jun 4 '18 at 17:46






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    For 1 the answer is yes, and it's a generalization of Rademacher's Theorem (see Evans's book on PDE). For 2 the answer is yes in 1 dimension (in fact having a weak derivative in this case implies absolute continuity), but no in higher dimensions: Play around with $|x|^a$ with $ainmathbb{R} $ and see when this has a weak derivative.
    $endgroup$
    – Jose27
    Jun 17 '18 at 1:23










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    @Jose27 Thank you for your response. If you want a shot at the bounty you should make your comment into an answer!
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    – Sambo
    Jun 17 '18 at 2:57














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I've seen the answers to this question, which are pretty good, but I'd like to have a bit better of an idea about what it means to be weakly differentiable. I have two questions in particular.




  1. The top answer states that "a weakly differentiable function looks differentiable except for on sets of zero measure". Does that mean that if $f$ is weakly differentiable on $Omega$, there exists a set $E subset Omega$ of zero measure such that $f left|_{Omegabackslash E} right.$ is differentiable?


  2. An example (still in the top answer to the linked question) shows that "well-behaved" functions with jump discontinuities are not weakly differentiable. Does that mean that any weakly differentiable function $f$ has a representative (i.e. a function differing only on a set of measure zero) that is continuous?











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I've seen the answers to this question, which are pretty good, but I'd like to have a bit better of an idea about what it means to be weakly differentiable. I have two questions in particular.




  1. The top answer states that "a weakly differentiable function looks differentiable except for on sets of zero measure". Does that mean that if $f$ is weakly differentiable on $Omega$, there exists a set $E subset Omega$ of zero measure such that $f left|_{Omegabackslash E} right.$ is differentiable?


  2. An example (still in the top answer to the linked question) shows that "well-behaved" functions with jump discontinuities are not weakly differentiable. Does that mean that any weakly differentiable function $f$ has a representative (i.e. a function differing only on a set of measure zero) that is continuous?








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    You might want to start by getting some intuition about distributional derivatives since weak derivatives are a special case. From a technical point of view, weak derivatives are nicer, but I would say distributional derivatives in general are much more interesting.
    $endgroup$
    – fourierwho
    Jun 3 '18 at 17:50










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    Okay, but that doesn't answer my two particular questions above.
    $endgroup$
    – Sambo
    Jun 4 '18 at 17:46






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    For 1 the answer is yes, and it's a generalization of Rademacher's Theorem (see Evans's book on PDE). For 2 the answer is yes in 1 dimension (in fact having a weak derivative in this case implies absolute continuity), but no in higher dimensions: Play around with $|x|^a$ with $ainmathbb{R} $ and see when this has a weak derivative.
    $endgroup$
    – Jose27
    Jun 17 '18 at 1:23










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    @Jose27 Thank you for your response. If you want a shot at the bounty you should make your comment into an answer!
    $endgroup$
    – Sambo
    Jun 17 '18 at 2:57


















  • $begingroup$
    You might want to start by getting some intuition about distributional derivatives since weak derivatives are a special case. From a technical point of view, weak derivatives are nicer, but I would say distributional derivatives in general are much more interesting.
    $endgroup$
    – fourierwho
    Jun 3 '18 at 17:50










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    Okay, but that doesn't answer my two particular questions above.
    $endgroup$
    – Sambo
    Jun 4 '18 at 17:46






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    For 1 the answer is yes, and it's a generalization of Rademacher's Theorem (see Evans's book on PDE). For 2 the answer is yes in 1 dimension (in fact having a weak derivative in this case implies absolute continuity), but no in higher dimensions: Play around with $|x|^a$ with $ainmathbb{R} $ and see when this has a weak derivative.
    $endgroup$
    – Jose27
    Jun 17 '18 at 1:23










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    @Jose27 Thank you for your response. If you want a shot at the bounty you should make your comment into an answer!
    $endgroup$
    – Sambo
    Jun 17 '18 at 2:57
















$begingroup$
You might want to start by getting some intuition about distributional derivatives since weak derivatives are a special case. From a technical point of view, weak derivatives are nicer, but I would say distributional derivatives in general are much more interesting.
$endgroup$
– fourierwho
Jun 3 '18 at 17:50




$begingroup$
You might want to start by getting some intuition about distributional derivatives since weak derivatives are a special case. From a technical point of view, weak derivatives are nicer, but I would say distributional derivatives in general are much more interesting.
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– fourierwho
Jun 3 '18 at 17:50












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Okay, but that doesn't answer my two particular questions above.
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– Sambo
Jun 4 '18 at 17:46




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Okay, but that doesn't answer my two particular questions above.
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– Sambo
Jun 4 '18 at 17:46




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For 1 the answer is yes, and it's a generalization of Rademacher's Theorem (see Evans's book on PDE). For 2 the answer is yes in 1 dimension (in fact having a weak derivative in this case implies absolute continuity), but no in higher dimensions: Play around with $|x|^a$ with $ainmathbb{R} $ and see when this has a weak derivative.
$endgroup$
– Jose27
Jun 17 '18 at 1:23




$begingroup$
For 1 the answer is yes, and it's a generalization of Rademacher's Theorem (see Evans's book on PDE). For 2 the answer is yes in 1 dimension (in fact having a weak derivative in this case implies absolute continuity), but no in higher dimensions: Play around with $|x|^a$ with $ainmathbb{R} $ and see when this has a weak derivative.
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– Jose27
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@Jose27 Thank you for your response. If you want a shot at the bounty you should make your comment into an answer!
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– Sambo
Jun 17 '18 at 2:57




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@Jose27 Thank you for your response. If you want a shot at the bounty you should make your comment into an answer!
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The way I see it, weak differentiability is a special case of distributional differentiability.
The weak derivative is define exactly the same way as the distributional derivative, with an additional regularity requirement.



Every distribution has a distributional derivative, and most functions you will encounter are distributions.
For example, any locally $L^1$ function is a distribution.
Taking derivatives typically makes regularity worse, so the distributional derivative of a function is not always a function — but it will always be a distribution.



A function $f$ is said to be in the Sobolev space $W^{1,p}$ if $fin L^p$ and the first order weak derivatives of $f$ are also in $L^p$.
Therefore weak differentiability is determined by how nice the distributional derivative is.
(Weak differentiability depends on the chosen space. The typical assumption is that the distributional derivative has to be locally $L^1$, but there are other possible choices.)



Here is an example of how bad weakly differentiable functions can be.
Consider the unit ball $B$ in $mathbb R^n$, $ngeq3$.
For any $yin B$, the function $f_y(x)=|x-y|^{2-n}$ is in $W^{1,1}(B)$.
Now take a dense sequence of points $(y_i)$ in $B$.
Since $W^{1,1}(B)$ is a Banach space and one can find a uniform bound on the norm of $f_y$ in $W^{1,1}(B)$, the series
$$
f
=
sum_{i=0}^infty 2^{-i}f_{y_i}
$$

converges and defines a function $fin W^{1,1}(B)$.
This function $f$ is weakly differentiable, but it is not bounded in any open set $Usubset B$.
Changing $f$ on a set of measure zero will not change this behaviour, so $f$ does not have a continuous representative.
In fact, all representatives are discontinuous at every point (and thus nowhere differentiable), but the function is still weakly differentiable.



For any $yin B$ the function $f_y$ is essentially unbounded: redefining it on a null set will not make it bounded.
This is because the set where $f_u>a$ has positive measure for any $a>0$.
All the functions $f_{y_i}$ are positive, so $f$ blows up at least as badly as $2^{-i}f_{y_i}$ for all $i$.
Therefore the sum function $f$ is essentially unbounded everywhere: for any non-empty open set $Usubset B$ and a null set $Esubset B$ the function $f|_{Usetminus E}$ is unbounded.
Therefore it cannot be differentiable either.



To answer your two questions explicitly using the example function $f$ constructed above:




  1. No, the function is not differentiable on the complement of any null set.


  2. No, there is no continuous representative.







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    Regarding my first question, is there a set $E$ of measure zero such that $f |_{Bbackslash E}$ is differentiable, in the same way that such a set exists for the indicator function for rationals (while the function itself is nowhere continuous)?
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    – Sambo
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    @Sambo I added some details and explicit answers to your two questions.
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    – Joonas Ilmavirta
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    @JoonasIlmavirta The example you provide here is beautiful! (+1) for such an excellent contribution to this site!
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The way I see it, weak differentiability is a special case of distributional differentiability.
The weak derivative is define exactly the same way as the distributional derivative, with an additional regularity requirement.



Every distribution has a distributional derivative, and most functions you will encounter are distributions.
For example, any locally $L^1$ function is a distribution.
Taking derivatives typically makes regularity worse, so the distributional derivative of a function is not always a function — but it will always be a distribution.



A function $f$ is said to be in the Sobolev space $W^{1,p}$ if $fin L^p$ and the first order weak derivatives of $f$ are also in $L^p$.
Therefore weak differentiability is determined by how nice the distributional derivative is.
(Weak differentiability depends on the chosen space. The typical assumption is that the distributional derivative has to be locally $L^1$, but there are other possible choices.)



Here is an example of how bad weakly differentiable functions can be.
Consider the unit ball $B$ in $mathbb R^n$, $ngeq3$.
For any $yin B$, the function $f_y(x)=|x-y|^{2-n}$ is in $W^{1,1}(B)$.
Now take a dense sequence of points $(y_i)$ in $B$.
Since $W^{1,1}(B)$ is a Banach space and one can find a uniform bound on the norm of $f_y$ in $W^{1,1}(B)$, the series
$$
f
=
sum_{i=0}^infty 2^{-i}f_{y_i}
$$

converges and defines a function $fin W^{1,1}(B)$.
This function $f$ is weakly differentiable, but it is not bounded in any open set $Usubset B$.
Changing $f$ on a set of measure zero will not change this behaviour, so $f$ does not have a continuous representative.
In fact, all representatives are discontinuous at every point (and thus nowhere differentiable), but the function is still weakly differentiable.



For any $yin B$ the function $f_y$ is essentially unbounded: redefining it on a null set will not make it bounded.
This is because the set where $f_u>a$ has positive measure for any $a>0$.
All the functions $f_{y_i}$ are positive, so $f$ blows up at least as badly as $2^{-i}f_{y_i}$ for all $i$.
Therefore the sum function $f$ is essentially unbounded everywhere: for any non-empty open set $Usubset B$ and a null set $Esubset B$ the function $f|_{Usetminus E}$ is unbounded.
Therefore it cannot be differentiable either.



To answer your two questions explicitly using the example function $f$ constructed above:




  1. No, the function is not differentiable on the complement of any null set.


  2. No, there is no continuous representative.







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    Regarding my first question, is there a set $E$ of measure zero such that $f |_{Bbackslash E}$ is differentiable, in the same way that such a set exists for the indicator function for rationals (while the function itself is nowhere continuous)?
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    – Sambo
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    @Sambo I added some details and explicit answers to your two questions.
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    – Joonas Ilmavirta
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    @JoonasIlmavirta The example you provide here is beautiful! (+1) for such an excellent contribution to this site!
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The way I see it, weak differentiability is a special case of distributional differentiability.
The weak derivative is define exactly the same way as the distributional derivative, with an additional regularity requirement.



Every distribution has a distributional derivative, and most functions you will encounter are distributions.
For example, any locally $L^1$ function is a distribution.
Taking derivatives typically makes regularity worse, so the distributional derivative of a function is not always a function — but it will always be a distribution.



A function $f$ is said to be in the Sobolev space $W^{1,p}$ if $fin L^p$ and the first order weak derivatives of $f$ are also in $L^p$.
Therefore weak differentiability is determined by how nice the distributional derivative is.
(Weak differentiability depends on the chosen space. The typical assumption is that the distributional derivative has to be locally $L^1$, but there are other possible choices.)



Here is an example of how bad weakly differentiable functions can be.
Consider the unit ball $B$ in $mathbb R^n$, $ngeq3$.
For any $yin B$, the function $f_y(x)=|x-y|^{2-n}$ is in $W^{1,1}(B)$.
Now take a dense sequence of points $(y_i)$ in $B$.
Since $W^{1,1}(B)$ is a Banach space and one can find a uniform bound on the norm of $f_y$ in $W^{1,1}(B)$, the series
$$
f
=
sum_{i=0}^infty 2^{-i}f_{y_i}
$$

converges and defines a function $fin W^{1,1}(B)$.
This function $f$ is weakly differentiable, but it is not bounded in any open set $Usubset B$.
Changing $f$ on a set of measure zero will not change this behaviour, so $f$ does not have a continuous representative.
In fact, all representatives are discontinuous at every point (and thus nowhere differentiable), but the function is still weakly differentiable.



For any $yin B$ the function $f_y$ is essentially unbounded: redefining it on a null set will not make it bounded.
This is because the set where $f_u>a$ has positive measure for any $a>0$.
All the functions $f_{y_i}$ are positive, so $f$ blows up at least as badly as $2^{-i}f_{y_i}$ for all $i$.
Therefore the sum function $f$ is essentially unbounded everywhere: for any non-empty open set $Usubset B$ and a null set $Esubset B$ the function $f|_{Usetminus E}$ is unbounded.
Therefore it cannot be differentiable either.



To answer your two questions explicitly using the example function $f$ constructed above:




  1. No, the function is not differentiable on the complement of any null set.


  2. No, there is no continuous representative.







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  • $begingroup$
    Regarding my first question, is there a set $E$ of measure zero such that $f |_{Bbackslash E}$ is differentiable, in the same way that such a set exists for the indicator function for rationals (while the function itself is nowhere continuous)?
    $endgroup$
    – Sambo
    Jun 20 '18 at 18:27












  • $begingroup$
    @Sambo I added some details and explicit answers to your two questions.
    $endgroup$
    – Joonas Ilmavirta
    Jun 20 '18 at 19:11






  • 1




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    @JoonasIlmavirta The example you provide here is beautiful! (+1) for such an excellent contribution to this site!
    $endgroup$
    – AmorFati
    Jan 7 at 3:18














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The way I see it, weak differentiability is a special case of distributional differentiability.
The weak derivative is define exactly the same way as the distributional derivative, with an additional regularity requirement.



Every distribution has a distributional derivative, and most functions you will encounter are distributions.
For example, any locally $L^1$ function is a distribution.
Taking derivatives typically makes regularity worse, so the distributional derivative of a function is not always a function — but it will always be a distribution.



A function $f$ is said to be in the Sobolev space $W^{1,p}$ if $fin L^p$ and the first order weak derivatives of $f$ are also in $L^p$.
Therefore weak differentiability is determined by how nice the distributional derivative is.
(Weak differentiability depends on the chosen space. The typical assumption is that the distributional derivative has to be locally $L^1$, but there are other possible choices.)



Here is an example of how bad weakly differentiable functions can be.
Consider the unit ball $B$ in $mathbb R^n$, $ngeq3$.
For any $yin B$, the function $f_y(x)=|x-y|^{2-n}$ is in $W^{1,1}(B)$.
Now take a dense sequence of points $(y_i)$ in $B$.
Since $W^{1,1}(B)$ is a Banach space and one can find a uniform bound on the norm of $f_y$ in $W^{1,1}(B)$, the series
$$
f
=
sum_{i=0}^infty 2^{-i}f_{y_i}
$$

converges and defines a function $fin W^{1,1}(B)$.
This function $f$ is weakly differentiable, but it is not bounded in any open set $Usubset B$.
Changing $f$ on a set of measure zero will not change this behaviour, so $f$ does not have a continuous representative.
In fact, all representatives are discontinuous at every point (and thus nowhere differentiable), but the function is still weakly differentiable.



For any $yin B$ the function $f_y$ is essentially unbounded: redefining it on a null set will not make it bounded.
This is because the set where $f_u>a$ has positive measure for any $a>0$.
All the functions $f_{y_i}$ are positive, so $f$ blows up at least as badly as $2^{-i}f_{y_i}$ for all $i$.
Therefore the sum function $f$ is essentially unbounded everywhere: for any non-empty open set $Usubset B$ and a null set $Esubset B$ the function $f|_{Usetminus E}$ is unbounded.
Therefore it cannot be differentiable either.



To answer your two questions explicitly using the example function $f$ constructed above:




  1. No, the function is not differentiable on the complement of any null set.


  2. No, there is no continuous representative.







share|cite|improve this answer











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The way I see it, weak differentiability is a special case of distributional differentiability.
The weak derivative is define exactly the same way as the distributional derivative, with an additional regularity requirement.



Every distribution has a distributional derivative, and most functions you will encounter are distributions.
For example, any locally $L^1$ function is a distribution.
Taking derivatives typically makes regularity worse, so the distributional derivative of a function is not always a function — but it will always be a distribution.



A function $f$ is said to be in the Sobolev space $W^{1,p}$ if $fin L^p$ and the first order weak derivatives of $f$ are also in $L^p$.
Therefore weak differentiability is determined by how nice the distributional derivative is.
(Weak differentiability depends on the chosen space. The typical assumption is that the distributional derivative has to be locally $L^1$, but there are other possible choices.)



Here is an example of how bad weakly differentiable functions can be.
Consider the unit ball $B$ in $mathbb R^n$, $ngeq3$.
For any $yin B$, the function $f_y(x)=|x-y|^{2-n}$ is in $W^{1,1}(B)$.
Now take a dense sequence of points $(y_i)$ in $B$.
Since $W^{1,1}(B)$ is a Banach space and one can find a uniform bound on the norm of $f_y$ in $W^{1,1}(B)$, the series
$$
f
=
sum_{i=0}^infty 2^{-i}f_{y_i}
$$

converges and defines a function $fin W^{1,1}(B)$.
This function $f$ is weakly differentiable, but it is not bounded in any open set $Usubset B$.
Changing $f$ on a set of measure zero will not change this behaviour, so $f$ does not have a continuous representative.
In fact, all representatives are discontinuous at every point (and thus nowhere differentiable), but the function is still weakly differentiable.



For any $yin B$ the function $f_y$ is essentially unbounded: redefining it on a null set will not make it bounded.
This is because the set where $f_u>a$ has positive measure for any $a>0$.
All the functions $f_{y_i}$ are positive, so $f$ blows up at least as badly as $2^{-i}f_{y_i}$ for all $i$.
Therefore the sum function $f$ is essentially unbounded everywhere: for any non-empty open set $Usubset B$ and a null set $Esubset B$ the function $f|_{Usetminus E}$ is unbounded.
Therefore it cannot be differentiable either.



To answer your two questions explicitly using the example function $f$ constructed above:




  1. No, the function is not differentiable on the complement of any null set.


  2. No, there is no continuous representative.








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  • $begingroup$
    Regarding my first question, is there a set $E$ of measure zero such that $f |_{Bbackslash E}$ is differentiable, in the same way that such a set exists for the indicator function for rationals (while the function itself is nowhere continuous)?
    $endgroup$
    – Sambo
    Jun 20 '18 at 18:27












  • $begingroup$
    @Sambo I added some details and explicit answers to your two questions.
    $endgroup$
    – Joonas Ilmavirta
    Jun 20 '18 at 19:11






  • 1




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    @JoonasIlmavirta The example you provide here is beautiful! (+1) for such an excellent contribution to this site!
    $endgroup$
    – AmorFati
    Jan 7 at 3:18


















  • $begingroup$
    Regarding my first question, is there a set $E$ of measure zero such that $f |_{Bbackslash E}$ is differentiable, in the same way that such a set exists for the indicator function for rationals (while the function itself is nowhere continuous)?
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    – Sambo
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    @Sambo I added some details and explicit answers to your two questions.
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    – Joonas Ilmavirta
    Jun 20 '18 at 19:11






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    @JoonasIlmavirta The example you provide here is beautiful! (+1) for such an excellent contribution to this site!
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Regarding my first question, is there a set $E$ of measure zero such that $f |_{Bbackslash E}$ is differentiable, in the same way that such a set exists for the indicator function for rationals (while the function itself is nowhere continuous)?
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– Sambo
Jun 20 '18 at 18:27






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Regarding my first question, is there a set $E$ of measure zero such that $f |_{Bbackslash E}$ is differentiable, in the same way that such a set exists for the indicator function for rationals (while the function itself is nowhere continuous)?
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– Sambo
Jun 20 '18 at 18:27














$begingroup$
@Sambo I added some details and explicit answers to your two questions.
$endgroup$
– Joonas Ilmavirta
Jun 20 '18 at 19:11




$begingroup$
@Sambo I added some details and explicit answers to your two questions.
$endgroup$
– Joonas Ilmavirta
Jun 20 '18 at 19:11




1




1




$begingroup$
@JoonasIlmavirta The example you provide here is beautiful! (+1) for such an excellent contribution to this site!
$endgroup$
– AmorFati
Jan 7 at 3:18




$begingroup$
@JoonasIlmavirta The example you provide here is beautiful! (+1) for such an excellent contribution to this site!
$endgroup$
– AmorFati
Jan 7 at 3:18


















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