Find the minimal polynomial of $alpha = e^{2pi imath/19}$, the Galois group of $Bbb Q(alpha) /Bbb Q$, and the...
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Given $alpha = e^{2 pi imath / 19}$, find:
- the minimal polynomial of $alpha$ over $mathbb{Q}$,
- the Galois group, and
- subfields of the extension.
My tries:
- Since $e^{frac{2pi imath x}{19}} = cos(frac{2 pi x}{19}) + imath sin(frac{2 pi x}{19}) in mathbb{Q} iff sin(frac{2 pi x}{19}) = 0$, we get that the least positive integer satisfying our condition is $19$. So $x^{19} - 1$ is a polynomial with $alpha$ as a root. We can easily see, that its root is also $1$, so we can devide it by $x - 1$ and we get $x^{18} + x^{17} + ldots + x + 1$ (each degree $leq$ 18 has a coefficient $1$). Its roots are $19$th complex roots of $1$ other than $1$. I think this should be a minimal polynomial of $alpha$, but I'm not sure how to show it is irreducible (now I checked wolfram and it says it is its minimal polynomial, but I still need a proof). Maybe considering it in $mathbb{Z}_2$ could work, but it would take a really long time, so I guess there is a better way.
- Let $j = phi(alpha)$. Then $j^{19} = phi(alpha)^{19} = phi(alpha^{19}) = phi(1) = 1$. So $j$ must be $19$th not real (because it wouldn't be automorphism then) root of $1$. Since (by part 3 if some subpart of it is right) the degrees of extensions generated by other powers of $alpha$ are all the same, we could just take $alpha$ to any power of it and it would be $mathbb{Q}$-automorphism. So we have $18$ distinct automorphisms. Is this right?
- I'm not sure if "subfields of an extension" must contain that field which is being extended or no. If yes, then I guess all its subfields (as an extensions of $mathbb{Q}$) must be of degrees $1, 2, 3, 6, 9$ or $18$. But I think that a minimal polynomial for $alpha$ is also a minimal polynomial for $alpha^2, alpha^3, ldots, alpha^{17}$, so I guess it does not contain any other subfields than $mathbb{Q}, mathbb{Q}(alpha)$. Is this right?
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Given $alpha = e^{2 pi imath / 19}$, find:
- the minimal polynomial of $alpha$ over $mathbb{Q}$,
- the Galois group, and
- subfields of the extension.
My tries:
- Since $e^{frac{2pi imath x}{19}} = cos(frac{2 pi x}{19}) + imath sin(frac{2 pi x}{19}) in mathbb{Q} iff sin(frac{2 pi x}{19}) = 0$, we get that the least positive integer satisfying our condition is $19$. So $x^{19} - 1$ is a polynomial with $alpha$ as a root. We can easily see, that its root is also $1$, so we can devide it by $x - 1$ and we get $x^{18} + x^{17} + ldots + x + 1$ (each degree $leq$ 18 has a coefficient $1$). Its roots are $19$th complex roots of $1$ other than $1$. I think this should be a minimal polynomial of $alpha$, but I'm not sure how to show it is irreducible (now I checked wolfram and it says it is its minimal polynomial, but I still need a proof). Maybe considering it in $mathbb{Z}_2$ could work, but it would take a really long time, so I guess there is a better way.
- Let $j = phi(alpha)$. Then $j^{19} = phi(alpha)^{19} = phi(alpha^{19}) = phi(1) = 1$. So $j$ must be $19$th not real (because it wouldn't be automorphism then) root of $1$. Since (by part 3 if some subpart of it is right) the degrees of extensions generated by other powers of $alpha$ are all the same, we could just take $alpha$ to any power of it and it would be $mathbb{Q}$-automorphism. So we have $18$ distinct automorphisms. Is this right?
- I'm not sure if "subfields of an extension" must contain that field which is being extended or no. If yes, then I guess all its subfields (as an extensions of $mathbb{Q}$) must be of degrees $1, 2, 3, 6, 9$ or $18$. But I think that a minimal polynomial for $alpha$ is also a minimal polynomial for $alpha^2, alpha^3, ldots, alpha^{17}$, so I guess it does not contain any other subfields than $mathbb{Q}, mathbb{Q}(alpha)$. Is this right?
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Given $alpha = e^{2 pi imath / 19}$, find:
- the minimal polynomial of $alpha$ over $mathbb{Q}$,
- the Galois group, and
- subfields of the extension.
My tries:
- Since $e^{frac{2pi imath x}{19}} = cos(frac{2 pi x}{19}) + imath sin(frac{2 pi x}{19}) in mathbb{Q} iff sin(frac{2 pi x}{19}) = 0$, we get that the least positive integer satisfying our condition is $19$. So $x^{19} - 1$ is a polynomial with $alpha$ as a root. We can easily see, that its root is also $1$, so we can devide it by $x - 1$ and we get $x^{18} + x^{17} + ldots + x + 1$ (each degree $leq$ 18 has a coefficient $1$). Its roots are $19$th complex roots of $1$ other than $1$. I think this should be a minimal polynomial of $alpha$, but I'm not sure how to show it is irreducible (now I checked wolfram and it says it is its minimal polynomial, but I still need a proof). Maybe considering it in $mathbb{Z}_2$ could work, but it would take a really long time, so I guess there is a better way.
- Let $j = phi(alpha)$. Then $j^{19} = phi(alpha)^{19} = phi(alpha^{19}) = phi(1) = 1$. So $j$ must be $19$th not real (because it wouldn't be automorphism then) root of $1$. Since (by part 3 if some subpart of it is right) the degrees of extensions generated by other powers of $alpha$ are all the same, we could just take $alpha$ to any power of it and it would be $mathbb{Q}$-automorphism. So we have $18$ distinct automorphisms. Is this right?
- I'm not sure if "subfields of an extension" must contain that field which is being extended or no. If yes, then I guess all its subfields (as an extensions of $mathbb{Q}$) must be of degrees $1, 2, 3, 6, 9$ or $18$. But I think that a minimal polynomial for $alpha$ is also a minimal polynomial for $alpha^2, alpha^3, ldots, alpha^{17}$, so I guess it does not contain any other subfields than $mathbb{Q}, mathbb{Q}(alpha)$. Is this right?
polynomials field-theory galois-theory extension-field cyclotomic-fields
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Given $alpha = e^{2 pi imath / 19}$, find:
- the minimal polynomial of $alpha$ over $mathbb{Q}$,
- the Galois group, and
- subfields of the extension.
My tries:
- Since $e^{frac{2pi imath x}{19}} = cos(frac{2 pi x}{19}) + imath sin(frac{2 pi x}{19}) in mathbb{Q} iff sin(frac{2 pi x}{19}) = 0$, we get that the least positive integer satisfying our condition is $19$. So $x^{19} - 1$ is a polynomial with $alpha$ as a root. We can easily see, that its root is also $1$, so we can devide it by $x - 1$ and we get $x^{18} + x^{17} + ldots + x + 1$ (each degree $leq$ 18 has a coefficient $1$). Its roots are $19$th complex roots of $1$ other than $1$. I think this should be a minimal polynomial of $alpha$, but I'm not sure how to show it is irreducible (now I checked wolfram and it says it is its minimal polynomial, but I still need a proof). Maybe considering it in $mathbb{Z}_2$ could work, but it would take a really long time, so I guess there is a better way.
- Let $j = phi(alpha)$. Then $j^{19} = phi(alpha)^{19} = phi(alpha^{19}) = phi(1) = 1$. So $j$ must be $19$th not real (because it wouldn't be automorphism then) root of $1$. Since (by part 3 if some subpart of it is right) the degrees of extensions generated by other powers of $alpha$ are all the same, we could just take $alpha$ to any power of it and it would be $mathbb{Q}$-automorphism. So we have $18$ distinct automorphisms. Is this right?
- I'm not sure if "subfields of an extension" must contain that field which is being extended or no. If yes, then I guess all its subfields (as an extensions of $mathbb{Q}$) must be of degrees $1, 2, 3, 6, 9$ or $18$. But I think that a minimal polynomial for $alpha$ is also a minimal polynomial for $alpha^2, alpha^3, ldots, alpha^{17}$, so I guess it does not contain any other subfields than $mathbb{Q}, mathbb{Q}(alpha)$. Is this right?
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(1) Hint There's a standard trick (that works for any primitive $p$th root of unity for $p$ prime): Denote $Phi_{19}(x) = x^{18} + cdots + x + 1$, and consider the polynomial $Phi(y + 1)$---can you show that the latter is irreducible?
(2) This is basically correct, but you may want to identify the isomorphism type of the Galois group. One can show that the group is abelian, leaving $Bbb Z_2 times Bbb Z_3 times Bbb Z_3$ and $Bbb Z_2 times Bbb Z_9$ as the only possibilities. In general, the Galois group of a cyclotomic polynomial $Phi_n$ is $(Bbb Z / n Bbb Z)^{times}$.
(3) This is not true: It is possible to have an intermediate field $Bbb Q(beta)$, $Bbb Q subsetneq Bbb Q(beta) subsetneq Bbb Q(alpha)$. For example, $beta := alpha + frac{1}{alpha} = alpha + bar{alpha}$ is real, so $Bbb Q(beta) subset Bbb R$ and hence $alpha notin Bbb Q(beta)$. On the other hand, rearranging the definition of $beta$ gives $alpha^2 - beta alpha + 1 = 0$. So the minimal polynomial of $alpha$ over $Bbb Q(beta)$ is $x^2 - beta x + 1$, and hence $[Bbb Q(alpha) : Bbb Q(beta)] = 2$; in particular, $beta notin Bbb Q$. (In fact, this also tells us that the minimal polynomial of $beta$ over $Bbb Q$ is $frac{18}{2} = 9$.)
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So in (2) I'm left to show whether my group is cyclic or not? I will probably ask also again something about (3), but I want to finish (2) first. Also thanks for (1), I forgot about that $f(x)$ is irreducible $iff f(ax + b)$ is.
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– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 14:31
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It's a general fact that $(Bbb Z / p^k Bbb Z)^{times}$ is cyclic for odd primes $p$, so we know it's cyclic. In particular, it's enough to find an element of $textrm{Gal}(Phi_{18})$ of order $#(Bbb Z / 19 Bbb Z)^{times} = 18$.
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– Travis
May 19 '17 at 14:36
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So, how is it possible to find all the subfields of that extension? If I'm right, under certain conditions, each intermediate field correspondents to subgroup of Galois group. So I just need to check if the conditions hold and then I will just list all subgroups of $(mathbb{Z}_{18}, +)$? And what happens if conditions wouldn't hold?
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– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 15:15
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I can't edit anymore, but: I can show that the extension is normal and finite, but I can't tell if it is separable
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– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 15:48
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The roots of the minimal polynomial $Phi_{18}$ are distinct, so it is separable.
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(1) Hint There's a standard trick (that works for any primitive $p$th root of unity for $p$ prime): Denote $Phi_{19}(x) = x^{18} + cdots + x + 1$, and consider the polynomial $Phi(y + 1)$---can you show that the latter is irreducible?
(2) This is basically correct, but you may want to identify the isomorphism type of the Galois group. One can show that the group is abelian, leaving $Bbb Z_2 times Bbb Z_3 times Bbb Z_3$ and $Bbb Z_2 times Bbb Z_9$ as the only possibilities. In general, the Galois group of a cyclotomic polynomial $Phi_n$ is $(Bbb Z / n Bbb Z)^{times}$.
(3) This is not true: It is possible to have an intermediate field $Bbb Q(beta)$, $Bbb Q subsetneq Bbb Q(beta) subsetneq Bbb Q(alpha)$. For example, $beta := alpha + frac{1}{alpha} = alpha + bar{alpha}$ is real, so $Bbb Q(beta) subset Bbb R$ and hence $alpha notin Bbb Q(beta)$. On the other hand, rearranging the definition of $beta$ gives $alpha^2 - beta alpha + 1 = 0$. So the minimal polynomial of $alpha$ over $Bbb Q(beta)$ is $x^2 - beta x + 1$, and hence $[Bbb Q(alpha) : Bbb Q(beta)] = 2$; in particular, $beta notin Bbb Q$. (In fact, this also tells us that the minimal polynomial of $beta$ over $Bbb Q$ is $frac{18}{2} = 9$.)
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So in (2) I'm left to show whether my group is cyclic or not? I will probably ask also again something about (3), but I want to finish (2) first. Also thanks for (1), I forgot about that $f(x)$ is irreducible $iff f(ax + b)$ is.
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– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 14:31
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It's a general fact that $(Bbb Z / p^k Bbb Z)^{times}$ is cyclic for odd primes $p$, so we know it's cyclic. In particular, it's enough to find an element of $textrm{Gal}(Phi_{18})$ of order $#(Bbb Z / 19 Bbb Z)^{times} = 18$.
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– Travis
May 19 '17 at 14:36
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So, how is it possible to find all the subfields of that extension? If I'm right, under certain conditions, each intermediate field correspondents to subgroup of Galois group. So I just need to check if the conditions hold and then I will just list all subgroups of $(mathbb{Z}_{18}, +)$? And what happens if conditions wouldn't hold?
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– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 15:15
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I can't edit anymore, but: I can show that the extension is normal and finite, but I can't tell if it is separable
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– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 15:48
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The roots of the minimal polynomial $Phi_{18}$ are distinct, so it is separable.
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– Travis
May 19 '17 at 16:54
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(1) Hint There's a standard trick (that works for any primitive $p$th root of unity for $p$ prime): Denote $Phi_{19}(x) = x^{18} + cdots + x + 1$, and consider the polynomial $Phi(y + 1)$---can you show that the latter is irreducible?
(2) This is basically correct, but you may want to identify the isomorphism type of the Galois group. One can show that the group is abelian, leaving $Bbb Z_2 times Bbb Z_3 times Bbb Z_3$ and $Bbb Z_2 times Bbb Z_9$ as the only possibilities. In general, the Galois group of a cyclotomic polynomial $Phi_n$ is $(Bbb Z / n Bbb Z)^{times}$.
(3) This is not true: It is possible to have an intermediate field $Bbb Q(beta)$, $Bbb Q subsetneq Bbb Q(beta) subsetneq Bbb Q(alpha)$. For example, $beta := alpha + frac{1}{alpha} = alpha + bar{alpha}$ is real, so $Bbb Q(beta) subset Bbb R$ and hence $alpha notin Bbb Q(beta)$. On the other hand, rearranging the definition of $beta$ gives $alpha^2 - beta alpha + 1 = 0$. So the minimal polynomial of $alpha$ over $Bbb Q(beta)$ is $x^2 - beta x + 1$, and hence $[Bbb Q(alpha) : Bbb Q(beta)] = 2$; in particular, $beta notin Bbb Q$. (In fact, this also tells us that the minimal polynomial of $beta$ over $Bbb Q$ is $frac{18}{2} = 9$.)
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So in (2) I'm left to show whether my group is cyclic or not? I will probably ask also again something about (3), but I want to finish (2) first. Also thanks for (1), I forgot about that $f(x)$ is irreducible $iff f(ax + b)$ is.
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– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 14:31
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It's a general fact that $(Bbb Z / p^k Bbb Z)^{times}$ is cyclic for odd primes $p$, so we know it's cyclic. In particular, it's enough to find an element of $textrm{Gal}(Phi_{18})$ of order $#(Bbb Z / 19 Bbb Z)^{times} = 18$.
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– Travis
May 19 '17 at 14:36
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So, how is it possible to find all the subfields of that extension? If I'm right, under certain conditions, each intermediate field correspondents to subgroup of Galois group. So I just need to check if the conditions hold and then I will just list all subgroups of $(mathbb{Z}_{18}, +)$? And what happens if conditions wouldn't hold?
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– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 15:15
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I can't edit anymore, but: I can show that the extension is normal and finite, but I can't tell if it is separable
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– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 15:48
1
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The roots of the minimal polynomial $Phi_{18}$ are distinct, so it is separable.
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– Travis
May 19 '17 at 16:54
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show 4 more comments
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(1) Hint There's a standard trick (that works for any primitive $p$th root of unity for $p$ prime): Denote $Phi_{19}(x) = x^{18} + cdots + x + 1$, and consider the polynomial $Phi(y + 1)$---can you show that the latter is irreducible?
(2) This is basically correct, but you may want to identify the isomorphism type of the Galois group. One can show that the group is abelian, leaving $Bbb Z_2 times Bbb Z_3 times Bbb Z_3$ and $Bbb Z_2 times Bbb Z_9$ as the only possibilities. In general, the Galois group of a cyclotomic polynomial $Phi_n$ is $(Bbb Z / n Bbb Z)^{times}$.
(3) This is not true: It is possible to have an intermediate field $Bbb Q(beta)$, $Bbb Q subsetneq Bbb Q(beta) subsetneq Bbb Q(alpha)$. For example, $beta := alpha + frac{1}{alpha} = alpha + bar{alpha}$ is real, so $Bbb Q(beta) subset Bbb R$ and hence $alpha notin Bbb Q(beta)$. On the other hand, rearranging the definition of $beta$ gives $alpha^2 - beta alpha + 1 = 0$. So the minimal polynomial of $alpha$ over $Bbb Q(beta)$ is $x^2 - beta x + 1$, and hence $[Bbb Q(alpha) : Bbb Q(beta)] = 2$; in particular, $beta notin Bbb Q$. (In fact, this also tells us that the minimal polynomial of $beta$ over $Bbb Q$ is $frac{18}{2} = 9$.)
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(1) Hint There's a standard trick (that works for any primitive $p$th root of unity for $p$ prime): Denote $Phi_{19}(x) = x^{18} + cdots + x + 1$, and consider the polynomial $Phi(y + 1)$---can you show that the latter is irreducible?
(2) This is basically correct, but you may want to identify the isomorphism type of the Galois group. One can show that the group is abelian, leaving $Bbb Z_2 times Bbb Z_3 times Bbb Z_3$ and $Bbb Z_2 times Bbb Z_9$ as the only possibilities. In general, the Galois group of a cyclotomic polynomial $Phi_n$ is $(Bbb Z / n Bbb Z)^{times}$.
(3) This is not true: It is possible to have an intermediate field $Bbb Q(beta)$, $Bbb Q subsetneq Bbb Q(beta) subsetneq Bbb Q(alpha)$. For example, $beta := alpha + frac{1}{alpha} = alpha + bar{alpha}$ is real, so $Bbb Q(beta) subset Bbb R$ and hence $alpha notin Bbb Q(beta)$. On the other hand, rearranging the definition of $beta$ gives $alpha^2 - beta alpha + 1 = 0$. So the minimal polynomial of $alpha$ over $Bbb Q(beta)$ is $x^2 - beta x + 1$, and hence $[Bbb Q(alpha) : Bbb Q(beta)] = 2$; in particular, $beta notin Bbb Q$. (In fact, this also tells us that the minimal polynomial of $beta$ over $Bbb Q$ is $frac{18}{2} = 9$.)
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So in (2) I'm left to show whether my group is cyclic or not? I will probably ask also again something about (3), but I want to finish (2) first. Also thanks for (1), I forgot about that $f(x)$ is irreducible $iff f(ax + b)$ is.
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– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 14:31
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It's a general fact that $(Bbb Z / p^k Bbb Z)^{times}$ is cyclic for odd primes $p$, so we know it's cyclic. In particular, it's enough to find an element of $textrm{Gal}(Phi_{18})$ of order $#(Bbb Z / 19 Bbb Z)^{times} = 18$.
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– Travis
May 19 '17 at 14:36
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So, how is it possible to find all the subfields of that extension? If I'm right, under certain conditions, each intermediate field correspondents to subgroup of Galois group. So I just need to check if the conditions hold and then I will just list all subgroups of $(mathbb{Z}_{18}, +)$? And what happens if conditions wouldn't hold?
$endgroup$
– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 15:15
$begingroup$
I can't edit anymore, but: I can show that the extension is normal and finite, but I can't tell if it is separable
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– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 15:48
1
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The roots of the minimal polynomial $Phi_{18}$ are distinct, so it is separable.
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– Travis
May 19 '17 at 16:54
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show 4 more comments
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So in (2) I'm left to show whether my group is cyclic or not? I will probably ask also again something about (3), but I want to finish (2) first. Also thanks for (1), I forgot about that $f(x)$ is irreducible $iff f(ax + b)$ is.
$endgroup$
– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 14:31
$begingroup$
It's a general fact that $(Bbb Z / p^k Bbb Z)^{times}$ is cyclic for odd primes $p$, so we know it's cyclic. In particular, it's enough to find an element of $textrm{Gal}(Phi_{18})$ of order $#(Bbb Z / 19 Bbb Z)^{times} = 18$.
$endgroup$
– Travis
May 19 '17 at 14:36
$begingroup$
So, how is it possible to find all the subfields of that extension? If I'm right, under certain conditions, each intermediate field correspondents to subgroup of Galois group. So I just need to check if the conditions hold and then I will just list all subgroups of $(mathbb{Z}_{18}, +)$? And what happens if conditions wouldn't hold?
$endgroup$
– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 15:15
$begingroup$
I can't edit anymore, but: I can show that the extension is normal and finite, but I can't tell if it is separable
$endgroup$
– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 15:48
1
$begingroup$
The roots of the minimal polynomial $Phi_{18}$ are distinct, so it is separable.
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– Travis
May 19 '17 at 16:54
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So in (2) I'm left to show whether my group is cyclic or not? I will probably ask also again something about (3), but I want to finish (2) first. Also thanks for (1), I forgot about that $f(x)$ is irreducible $iff f(ax + b)$ is.
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– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 14:31
$begingroup$
So in (2) I'm left to show whether my group is cyclic or not? I will probably ask also again something about (3), but I want to finish (2) first. Also thanks for (1), I forgot about that $f(x)$ is irreducible $iff f(ax + b)$ is.
$endgroup$
– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 14:31
$begingroup$
It's a general fact that $(Bbb Z / p^k Bbb Z)^{times}$ is cyclic for odd primes $p$, so we know it's cyclic. In particular, it's enough to find an element of $textrm{Gal}(Phi_{18})$ of order $#(Bbb Z / 19 Bbb Z)^{times} = 18$.
$endgroup$
– Travis
May 19 '17 at 14:36
$begingroup$
It's a general fact that $(Bbb Z / p^k Bbb Z)^{times}$ is cyclic for odd primes $p$, so we know it's cyclic. In particular, it's enough to find an element of $textrm{Gal}(Phi_{18})$ of order $#(Bbb Z / 19 Bbb Z)^{times} = 18$.
$endgroup$
– Travis
May 19 '17 at 14:36
$begingroup$
So, how is it possible to find all the subfields of that extension? If I'm right, under certain conditions, each intermediate field correspondents to subgroup of Galois group. So I just need to check if the conditions hold and then I will just list all subgroups of $(mathbb{Z}_{18}, +)$? And what happens if conditions wouldn't hold?
$endgroup$
– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 15:15
$begingroup$
So, how is it possible to find all the subfields of that extension? If I'm right, under certain conditions, each intermediate field correspondents to subgroup of Galois group. So I just need to check if the conditions hold and then I will just list all subgroups of $(mathbb{Z}_{18}, +)$? And what happens if conditions wouldn't hold?
$endgroup$
– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 15:15
$begingroup$
I can't edit anymore, but: I can show that the extension is normal and finite, but I can't tell if it is separable
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– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 15:48
$begingroup$
I can't edit anymore, but: I can show that the extension is normal and finite, but I can't tell if it is separable
$endgroup$
– Pan Miroslav
May 19 '17 at 15:48
1
1
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The roots of the minimal polynomial $Phi_{18}$ are distinct, so it is separable.
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– Travis
May 19 '17 at 16:54
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The roots of the minimal polynomial $Phi_{18}$ are distinct, so it is separable.
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– Travis
May 19 '17 at 16:54
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