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I'm trying to calculate the inverse of $x^{7}+x^{5}+x^{4}+x^{2}+x+1$ over $mathbb{Z}_{2}[x]/(x^{8}+1)$. I suspect there is something fundemental I'm misunderstanding about this process. I'm doing this using code I'm writing, verified by manual calculation, but it seems the problem is not with my code, but with my understanding of what needs to be done.



First of all, I tried applying the extended Euclidean algorithm, but I get that the GCD is $x+1$ (i.e. - that they are not coprime).



Also, as far as I can tell, $(x^{7}+x^{5}+x^{4}+x^{2}+x+1)*(x^{7}+x^{6}+x^{5}+x^{4}+x^{3}+x^{2}+x^{1}+1)=0$, suggesting it divides zero.



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    Extended Euclidean algorithm gives the answer.
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    To really get into Galois field inverses you would need to replace $x^8+1$ with an irreducible degree eight polynomial. See for example this thread for a well worked out example about finding the inverse of an element in a degree eight extension field.
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    +1 for having a correct example. Your other degree seven polynomial is $$x^7+x^6+x^5+x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1=(x+1)^7.$$ Basically because all the binomial coefficients $binom 7k, k=0,1,ldots,7$ are odd. The six term polynomial is divisible by $x+1$, so the product of those two degree seven polynomials is divisible by $(x+1)^8=x^8+1$, and hence equal to zero in the quotient ring.
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I'm trying to calculate the inverse of $x^{7}+x^{5}+x^{4}+x^{2}+x+1$ over $mathbb{Z}_{2}[x]/(x^{8}+1)$. I suspect there is something fundemental I'm misunderstanding about this process. I'm doing this using code I'm writing, verified by manual calculation, but it seems the problem is not with my code, but with my understanding of what needs to be done.



First of all, I tried applying the extended Euclidean algorithm, but I get that the GCD is $x+1$ (i.e. - that they are not coprime).



Also, as far as I can tell, $(x^{7}+x^{5}+x^{4}+x^{2}+x+1)*(x^{7}+x^{6}+x^{5}+x^{4}+x^{3}+x^{2}+x^{1}+1)=0$, suggesting it divides zero.



What am I misunderstanding?










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    Extended Euclidean algorithm gives the answer.
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    – Wuestenfux
    Dec 16 '18 at 12:50






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    $begingroup$
    To really get into Galois field inverses you would need to replace $x^8+1$ with an irreducible degree eight polynomial. See for example this thread for a well worked out example about finding the inverse of an element in a degree eight extension field.
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    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Dec 16 '18 at 13:46










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    +1 for having a correct example. Your other degree seven polynomial is $$x^7+x^6+x^5+x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1=(x+1)^7.$$ Basically because all the binomial coefficients $binom 7k, k=0,1,ldots,7$ are odd. The six term polynomial is divisible by $x+1$, so the product of those two degree seven polynomials is divisible by $(x+1)^8=x^8+1$, and hence equal to zero in the quotient ring.
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I'm trying to calculate the inverse of $x^{7}+x^{5}+x^{4}+x^{2}+x+1$ over $mathbb{Z}_{2}[x]/(x^{8}+1)$. I suspect there is something fundemental I'm misunderstanding about this process. I'm doing this using code I'm writing, verified by manual calculation, but it seems the problem is not with my code, but with my understanding of what needs to be done.



First of all, I tried applying the extended Euclidean algorithm, but I get that the GCD is $x+1$ (i.e. - that they are not coprime).



Also, as far as I can tell, $(x^{7}+x^{5}+x^{4}+x^{2}+x+1)*(x^{7}+x^{6}+x^{5}+x^{4}+x^{3}+x^{2}+x^{1}+1)=0$, suggesting it divides zero.



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I'm trying to calculate the inverse of $x^{7}+x^{5}+x^{4}+x^{2}+x+1$ over $mathbb{Z}_{2}[x]/(x^{8}+1)$. I suspect there is something fundemental I'm misunderstanding about this process. I'm doing this using code I'm writing, verified by manual calculation, but it seems the problem is not with my code, but with my understanding of what needs to be done.



First of all, I tried applying the extended Euclidean algorithm, but I get that the GCD is $x+1$ (i.e. - that they are not coprime).



Also, as far as I can tell, $(x^{7}+x^{5}+x^{4}+x^{2}+x+1)*(x^{7}+x^{6}+x^{5}+x^{4}+x^{3}+x^{2}+x^{1}+1)=0$, suggesting it divides zero.



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  • $begingroup$
    Extended Euclidean algorithm gives the answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Wuestenfux
    Dec 16 '18 at 12:50






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    To really get into Galois field inverses you would need to replace $x^8+1$ with an irreducible degree eight polynomial. See for example this thread for a well worked out example about finding the inverse of an element in a degree eight extension field.
    $endgroup$
    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Dec 16 '18 at 13:46










  • $begingroup$
    +1 for having a correct example. Your other degree seven polynomial is $$x^7+x^6+x^5+x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1=(x+1)^7.$$ Basically because all the binomial coefficients $binom 7k, k=0,1,ldots,7$ are odd. The six term polynomial is divisible by $x+1$, so the product of those two degree seven polynomials is divisible by $(x+1)^8=x^8+1$, and hence equal to zero in the quotient ring.
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    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Dec 16 '18 at 13:54




















  • $begingroup$
    Extended Euclidean algorithm gives the answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Wuestenfux
    Dec 16 '18 at 12:50






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    To really get into Galois field inverses you would need to replace $x^8+1$ with an irreducible degree eight polynomial. See for example this thread for a well worked out example about finding the inverse of an element in a degree eight extension field.
    $endgroup$
    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Dec 16 '18 at 13:46










  • $begingroup$
    +1 for having a correct example. Your other degree seven polynomial is $$x^7+x^6+x^5+x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1=(x+1)^7.$$ Basically because all the binomial coefficients $binom 7k, k=0,1,ldots,7$ are odd. The six term polynomial is divisible by $x+1$, so the product of those two degree seven polynomials is divisible by $(x+1)^8=x^8+1$, and hence equal to zero in the quotient ring.
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    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Dec 16 '18 at 13:54


















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Extended Euclidean algorithm gives the answer.
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– Wuestenfux
Dec 16 '18 at 12:50




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Extended Euclidean algorithm gives the answer.
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– Wuestenfux
Dec 16 '18 at 12:50




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$begingroup$
To really get into Galois field inverses you would need to replace $x^8+1$ with an irreducible degree eight polynomial. See for example this thread for a well worked out example about finding the inverse of an element in a degree eight extension field.
$endgroup$
– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 16 '18 at 13:46




$begingroup$
To really get into Galois field inverses you would need to replace $x^8+1$ with an irreducible degree eight polynomial. See for example this thread for a well worked out example about finding the inverse of an element in a degree eight extension field.
$endgroup$
– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 16 '18 at 13:46












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+1 for having a correct example. Your other degree seven polynomial is $$x^7+x^6+x^5+x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1=(x+1)^7.$$ Basically because all the binomial coefficients $binom 7k, k=0,1,ldots,7$ are odd. The six term polynomial is divisible by $x+1$, so the product of those two degree seven polynomials is divisible by $(x+1)^8=x^8+1$, and hence equal to zero in the quotient ring.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 16 '18 at 13:54






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+1 for having a correct example. Your other degree seven polynomial is $$x^7+x^6+x^5+x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1=(x+1)^7.$$ Basically because all the binomial coefficients $binom 7k, k=0,1,ldots,7$ are odd. The six term polynomial is divisible by $x+1$, so the product of those two degree seven polynomials is divisible by $(x+1)^8=x^8+1$, and hence equal to zero in the quotient ring.
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I'm afraid the element you described has no inverse in the quotient ring $Bbb{Z}_2[x]/langle x^8+1rangle$.



This is because your degree seven polynomial $f(x)=x^7+x^5+x^4+x^2+x+1$ shares a factor $x+1$ with $g(x)=x^8+1$. The easiest way of seeing this is to observe that $f(1)=0=g(1)$ so they are both divisible by $x-1=x+1$.



You can tell it at a glance because both polynomials have an even number of terms.





The quotient ring $Bbb{Z}_2[x]/langle g(x)rangle$ is a field if and only if $g(x)$ is irreducible. When $g(x)$ is irreducible it obviously cannot have common factors with lower degree polynomials, and extended Euclid works like charm and finds the inverse.



A popular choice for a degree $8$ irreducible polynomial is $g(x)=x^8+x^4+x^3+x+1$ specified in Rijndael/AES crypto standard<.






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    If $h(x)$ is any polynomial we still have $h(1)f(1)=0$ and this makes it impossible for $h(x)f(x)$ to be congruent to $1$ modulo $g(x)$.
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    so this is what I misunderstood. Not all polynoms create fields under GF.
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I'm afraid the element you described has no inverse in the quotient ring $Bbb{Z}_2[x]/langle x^8+1rangle$.



This is because your degree seven polynomial $f(x)=x^7+x^5+x^4+x^2+x+1$ shares a factor $x+1$ with $g(x)=x^8+1$. The easiest way of seeing this is to observe that $f(1)=0=g(1)$ so they are both divisible by $x-1=x+1$.



You can tell it at a glance because both polynomials have an even number of terms.





The quotient ring $Bbb{Z}_2[x]/langle g(x)rangle$ is a field if and only if $g(x)$ is irreducible. When $g(x)$ is irreducible it obviously cannot have common factors with lower degree polynomials, and extended Euclid works like charm and finds the inverse.



A popular choice for a degree $8$ irreducible polynomial is $g(x)=x^8+x^4+x^3+x+1$ specified in Rijndael/AES crypto standard<.






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    If $h(x)$ is any polynomial we still have $h(1)f(1)=0$ and this makes it impossible for $h(x)f(x)$ to be congruent to $1$ modulo $g(x)$.
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    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Dec 16 '18 at 13:36






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    so this is what I misunderstood. Not all polynoms create fields under GF.
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I'm afraid the element you described has no inverse in the quotient ring $Bbb{Z}_2[x]/langle x^8+1rangle$.



This is because your degree seven polynomial $f(x)=x^7+x^5+x^4+x^2+x+1$ shares a factor $x+1$ with $g(x)=x^8+1$. The easiest way of seeing this is to observe that $f(1)=0=g(1)$ so they are both divisible by $x-1=x+1$.



You can tell it at a glance because both polynomials have an even number of terms.





The quotient ring $Bbb{Z}_2[x]/langle g(x)rangle$ is a field if and only if $g(x)$ is irreducible. When $g(x)$ is irreducible it obviously cannot have common factors with lower degree polynomials, and extended Euclid works like charm and finds the inverse.



A popular choice for a degree $8$ irreducible polynomial is $g(x)=x^8+x^4+x^3+x+1$ specified in Rijndael/AES crypto standard<.






share|cite|improve this answer











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    If $h(x)$ is any polynomial we still have $h(1)f(1)=0$ and this makes it impossible for $h(x)f(x)$ to be congruent to $1$ modulo $g(x)$.
    $endgroup$
    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Dec 16 '18 at 13:36






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    so this is what I misunderstood. Not all polynoms create fields under GF.
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    Dec 16 '18 at 13:42
















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I'm afraid the element you described has no inverse in the quotient ring $Bbb{Z}_2[x]/langle x^8+1rangle$.



This is because your degree seven polynomial $f(x)=x^7+x^5+x^4+x^2+x+1$ shares a factor $x+1$ with $g(x)=x^8+1$. The easiest way of seeing this is to observe that $f(1)=0=g(1)$ so they are both divisible by $x-1=x+1$.



You can tell it at a glance because both polynomials have an even number of terms.





The quotient ring $Bbb{Z}_2[x]/langle g(x)rangle$ is a field if and only if $g(x)$ is irreducible. When $g(x)$ is irreducible it obviously cannot have common factors with lower degree polynomials, and extended Euclid works like charm and finds the inverse.



A popular choice for a degree $8$ irreducible polynomial is $g(x)=x^8+x^4+x^3+x+1$ specified in Rijndael/AES crypto standard<.






share|cite|improve this answer











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I'm afraid the element you described has no inverse in the quotient ring $Bbb{Z}_2[x]/langle x^8+1rangle$.



This is because your degree seven polynomial $f(x)=x^7+x^5+x^4+x^2+x+1$ shares a factor $x+1$ with $g(x)=x^8+1$. The easiest way of seeing this is to observe that $f(1)=0=g(1)$ so they are both divisible by $x-1=x+1$.



You can tell it at a glance because both polynomials have an even number of terms.





The quotient ring $Bbb{Z}_2[x]/langle g(x)rangle$ is a field if and only if $g(x)$ is irreducible. When $g(x)$ is irreducible it obviously cannot have common factors with lower degree polynomials, and extended Euclid works like charm and finds the inverse.



A popular choice for a degree $8$ irreducible polynomial is $g(x)=x^8+x^4+x^3+x+1$ specified in Rijndael/AES crypto standard<.







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    $begingroup$
    If $h(x)$ is any polynomial we still have $h(1)f(1)=0$ and this makes it impossible for $h(x)f(x)$ to be congruent to $1$ modulo $g(x)$.
    $endgroup$
    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Dec 16 '18 at 13:36






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    so this is what I misunderstood. Not all polynoms create fields under GF.
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    Dec 16 '18 at 13:42
















  • 1




    $begingroup$
    If $h(x)$ is any polynomial we still have $h(1)f(1)=0$ and this makes it impossible for $h(x)f(x)$ to be congruent to $1$ modulo $g(x)$.
    $endgroup$
    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Dec 16 '18 at 13:36






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    so this is what I misunderstood. Not all polynoms create fields under GF.
    $endgroup$
    – Shachar Shemesh
    Dec 16 '18 at 13:42










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If $h(x)$ is any polynomial we still have $h(1)f(1)=0$ and this makes it impossible for $h(x)f(x)$ to be congruent to $1$ modulo $g(x)$.
$endgroup$
– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 16 '18 at 13:36




$begingroup$
If $h(x)$ is any polynomial we still have $h(1)f(1)=0$ and this makes it impossible for $h(x)f(x)$ to be congruent to $1$ modulo $g(x)$.
$endgroup$
– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 16 '18 at 13:36




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so this is what I misunderstood. Not all polynoms create fields under GF.
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– Shachar Shemesh
Dec 16 '18 at 13:42






$begingroup$
so this is what I misunderstood. Not all polynoms create fields under GF.
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– Shachar Shemesh
Dec 16 '18 at 13:42




















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