Population dynamics, square root and zero derivative












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I'm studying population dynamics for my calculus exam, and I don't understand something that seems really easy, so I thought you might be able to help me out ;)



Here's the thing. I have this differential equation $frac{dN}{dt} = sqrt{N}$.



Our book makes us realize that both $N(t) = 0$ and $N(t) = frac{t^2}{4}$ are solution, which makes sense so far, simply by replacing in the original equation.



Now suppose we start at $N(0) = 0$. How can $N$ start growing like $frac{t^2}{4}$ if it's derivative is $0$ at $t = 0$ ? Because zero derivative should mean no growth, so $sqrt{N}$ should remain zero, which means still no growth, and so on. My brain is melting right now.










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    That is just how the continuous world works. There are well-known sufficient conditions for a differential equation to have a unique solution with given initial conditions, see for example math.stackexchange.com/questions/2446758/… This is not one of those equations.
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    If it puzzles you that population grows after $ t=0$, although the derivative is zero, just remember the necessary condition of a maximum/minimum: the derivative is zero at these points as well, so maybe it helps to consider the start in $ t=0 $ as a minimum as well - which does not contradict a later growth.
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Hy everybody !



I'm studying population dynamics for my calculus exam, and I don't understand something that seems really easy, so I thought you might be able to help me out ;)



Here's the thing. I have this differential equation $frac{dN}{dt} = sqrt{N}$.



Our book makes us realize that both $N(t) = 0$ and $N(t) = frac{t^2}{4}$ are solution, which makes sense so far, simply by replacing in the original equation.



Now suppose we start at $N(0) = 0$. How can $N$ start growing like $frac{t^2}{4}$ if it's derivative is $0$ at $t = 0$ ? Because zero derivative should mean no growth, so $sqrt{N}$ should remain zero, which means still no growth, and so on. My brain is melting right now.










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    That is just how the continuous world works. There are well-known sufficient conditions for a differential equation to have a unique solution with given initial conditions, see for example math.stackexchange.com/questions/2446758/… This is not one of those equations.
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    – A. Pongrácz
    Dec 31 '18 at 8:55










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    If it puzzles you that population grows after $ t=0$, although the derivative is zero, just remember the necessary condition of a maximum/minimum: the derivative is zero at these points as well, so maybe it helps to consider the start in $ t=0 $ as a minimum as well - which does not contradict a later growth.
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Hy everybody !



I'm studying population dynamics for my calculus exam, and I don't understand something that seems really easy, so I thought you might be able to help me out ;)



Here's the thing. I have this differential equation $frac{dN}{dt} = sqrt{N}$.



Our book makes us realize that both $N(t) = 0$ and $N(t) = frac{t^2}{4}$ are solution, which makes sense so far, simply by replacing in the original equation.



Now suppose we start at $N(0) = 0$. How can $N$ start growing like $frac{t^2}{4}$ if it's derivative is $0$ at $t = 0$ ? Because zero derivative should mean no growth, so $sqrt{N}$ should remain zero, which means still no growth, and so on. My brain is melting right now.










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Hy everybody !



I'm studying population dynamics for my calculus exam, and I don't understand something that seems really easy, so I thought you might be able to help me out ;)



Here's the thing. I have this differential equation $frac{dN}{dt} = sqrt{N}$.



Our book makes us realize that both $N(t) = 0$ and $N(t) = frac{t^2}{4}$ are solution, which makes sense so far, simply by replacing in the original equation.



Now suppose we start at $N(0) = 0$. How can $N$ start growing like $frac{t^2}{4}$ if it's derivative is $0$ at $t = 0$ ? Because zero derivative should mean no growth, so $sqrt{N}$ should remain zero, which means still no growth, and so on. My brain is melting right now.







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    That is just how the continuous world works. There are well-known sufficient conditions for a differential equation to have a unique solution with given initial conditions, see for example math.stackexchange.com/questions/2446758/… This is not one of those equations.
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    – A. Pongrácz
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    If it puzzles you that population grows after $ t=0$, although the derivative is zero, just remember the necessary condition of a maximum/minimum: the derivative is zero at these points as well, so maybe it helps to consider the start in $ t=0 $ as a minimum as well - which does not contradict a later growth.
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    – Maksim
    Dec 31 '18 at 12:07




















  • $begingroup$
    That is just how the continuous world works. There are well-known sufficient conditions for a differential equation to have a unique solution with given initial conditions, see for example math.stackexchange.com/questions/2446758/… This is not one of those equations.
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    – A. Pongrácz
    Dec 31 '18 at 8:55










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    If it puzzles you that population grows after $ t=0$, although the derivative is zero, just remember the necessary condition of a maximum/minimum: the derivative is zero at these points as well, so maybe it helps to consider the start in $ t=0 $ as a minimum as well - which does not contradict a later growth.
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    – Maksim
    Dec 31 '18 at 12:07


















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That is just how the continuous world works. There are well-known sufficient conditions for a differential equation to have a unique solution with given initial conditions, see for example math.stackexchange.com/questions/2446758/… This is not one of those equations.
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– A. Pongrácz
Dec 31 '18 at 8:55




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That is just how the continuous world works. There are well-known sufficient conditions for a differential equation to have a unique solution with given initial conditions, see for example math.stackexchange.com/questions/2446758/… This is not one of those equations.
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– A. Pongrácz
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If it puzzles you that population grows after $ t=0$, although the derivative is zero, just remember the necessary condition of a maximum/minimum: the derivative is zero at these points as well, so maybe it helps to consider the start in $ t=0 $ as a minimum as well - which does not contradict a later growth.
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– Maksim
Dec 31 '18 at 12:07






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If it puzzles you that population grows after $ t=0$, although the derivative is zero, just remember the necessary condition of a maximum/minimum: the derivative is zero at these points as well, so maybe it helps to consider the start in $ t=0 $ as a minimum as well - which does not contradict a later growth.
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Apart from these two solutions you can also combine them to solutions that are zero up to some point $tle c$ and then follow the shifted quadratic function, $N(t)=frac14(t-c)^2$ for $t>c$.



The irritation you get is based on the mis-understanding of what it means that a derivative is zero. It just means that $N(h)=o(h)$ for $happrox 0$.



If the differential equation were Lipschitz-continuous, small deviations of this size in any consistent integration method advancing with step size $h$ add up to an error that is still small for the whole solution. In other words, the Euler method and every other consistent method converges towards the unique exact solution. This would still be true if one were to introduce artificial random perturbations of size $h^2$.



In this case however, a small initial error gets magnified into a different solution. If one takes the Euler method with random perturbations, $N_{k+1}=N_k+hf(N_k)+h^2r_k$, the numerical solution will rapidly move away from the unstable zero solution and follow closely the other $N(t)=frac14(t-c)_+^2$, with a higher probability for $c$ being close to zero.



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def Euler(f,t):
y = np.zeros_like(t);
for k in range(1,len(t)):
h=t[k]-t[k-1];
y[k]=y[k-1]+h*f(y[k-1])+h**2*(np.random.random()-0.5)
return y

t = np.linspace(0,2,41);
plt.subplot(2,1,1); plt.title("Non-Lipschitz: $y'=sqrt{|y|}$")
for k in range(15): y=Euler(lambda y: abs(y)**0.5, t); plt.plot(t,y);
plt.grid();
plt.subplot(2,1,2); plt.title("Lipschitz: $y'=0.5y+0.3$")
for k in range(15): y=Euler(lambda y: 0.5*y+0.3, t); plt.plot(t,y);
plt.grid(); plt.show()





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    Zero derivative at one point does not mean no growth at other points.



    For example the derivative of function $$N(t)=frac {t^2}{4}$$ is $$N'(t)=t/2$$ That is the derivative is zero at $t=0$ but it is not zero at other points. The point of the problem is that in this case the solution is not unique.






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      You are correct. There are indeed two solutions. If the population is zero it will stay zero. The only way it will grow is if the initial conditions are positive. However, the population zero solution is "unstable" in the sense that even if the initial condition is slightly positive, the $t^2$ solution will kick in and push the population away from zero.






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        The equation is also not well behaved, since $N(t) = t^2/4 , t>0, N(t) = 0 , tle 0 $ is also a solution; nothing mathematically prevents instantaneous growth from the 0 solution even if the solution has been 0 for all times before, which must add to the confusion of OP
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        Thanks for your answer. Then, in this case, how can $frac{t^2}{4}$ be a solution ? It means that at $t = 0$, $N(0)$ is exactly $0$ and so is $frac{dN}{dt}$, so $N$ should never grow, unlike $frac{t^2}{4}$. It looks like a contradiction to me :/
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        @DiegoHoutart you're deducing things from the function and derivative that you just simply can't. The function $t^2/4$ is exactly 0 at $t=0$, and so is its derivative, should it never grow?
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        "If the population is zero it will stay zero." Not true. "The only way it will grow is if the initial conditions are positive." Frankly wrong.
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      Apart from these two solutions you can also combine them to solutions that are zero up to some point $tle c$ and then follow the shifted quadratic function, $N(t)=frac14(t-c)^2$ for $t>c$.



      The irritation you get is based on the mis-understanding of what it means that a derivative is zero. It just means that $N(h)=o(h)$ for $happrox 0$.



      If the differential equation were Lipschitz-continuous, small deviations of this size in any consistent integration method advancing with step size $h$ add up to an error that is still small for the whole solution. In other words, the Euler method and every other consistent method converges towards the unique exact solution. This would still be true if one were to introduce artificial random perturbations of size $h^2$.



      In this case however, a small initial error gets magnified into a different solution. If one takes the Euler method with random perturbations, $N_{k+1}=N_k+hf(N_k)+h^2r_k$, the numerical solution will rapidly move away from the unstable zero solution and follow closely the other $N(t)=frac14(t-c)_+^2$, with a higher probability for $c$ being close to zero.



      enter image description here





      def Euler(f,t):
      y = np.zeros_like(t);
      for k in range(1,len(t)):
      h=t[k]-t[k-1];
      y[k]=y[k-1]+h*f(y[k-1])+h**2*(np.random.random()-0.5)
      return y

      t = np.linspace(0,2,41);
      plt.subplot(2,1,1); plt.title("Non-Lipschitz: $y'=sqrt{|y|}$")
      for k in range(15): y=Euler(lambda y: abs(y)**0.5, t); plt.plot(t,y);
      plt.grid();
      plt.subplot(2,1,2); plt.title("Lipschitz: $y'=0.5y+0.3$")
      for k in range(15): y=Euler(lambda y: 0.5*y+0.3, t); plt.plot(t,y);
      plt.grid(); plt.show()





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        Apart from these two solutions you can also combine them to solutions that are zero up to some point $tle c$ and then follow the shifted quadratic function, $N(t)=frac14(t-c)^2$ for $t>c$.



        The irritation you get is based on the mis-understanding of what it means that a derivative is zero. It just means that $N(h)=o(h)$ for $happrox 0$.



        If the differential equation were Lipschitz-continuous, small deviations of this size in any consistent integration method advancing with step size $h$ add up to an error that is still small for the whole solution. In other words, the Euler method and every other consistent method converges towards the unique exact solution. This would still be true if one were to introduce artificial random perturbations of size $h^2$.



        In this case however, a small initial error gets magnified into a different solution. If one takes the Euler method with random perturbations, $N_{k+1}=N_k+hf(N_k)+h^2r_k$, the numerical solution will rapidly move away from the unstable zero solution and follow closely the other $N(t)=frac14(t-c)_+^2$, with a higher probability for $c$ being close to zero.



        enter image description here





        def Euler(f,t):
        y = np.zeros_like(t);
        for k in range(1,len(t)):
        h=t[k]-t[k-1];
        y[k]=y[k-1]+h*f(y[k-1])+h**2*(np.random.random()-0.5)
        return y

        t = np.linspace(0,2,41);
        plt.subplot(2,1,1); plt.title("Non-Lipschitz: $y'=sqrt{|y|}$")
        for k in range(15): y=Euler(lambda y: abs(y)**0.5, t); plt.plot(t,y);
        plt.grid();
        plt.subplot(2,1,2); plt.title("Lipschitz: $y'=0.5y+0.3$")
        for k in range(15): y=Euler(lambda y: 0.5*y+0.3, t); plt.plot(t,y);
        plt.grid(); plt.show()





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          Apart from these two solutions you can also combine them to solutions that are zero up to some point $tle c$ and then follow the shifted quadratic function, $N(t)=frac14(t-c)^2$ for $t>c$.



          The irritation you get is based on the mis-understanding of what it means that a derivative is zero. It just means that $N(h)=o(h)$ for $happrox 0$.



          If the differential equation were Lipschitz-continuous, small deviations of this size in any consistent integration method advancing with step size $h$ add up to an error that is still small for the whole solution. In other words, the Euler method and every other consistent method converges towards the unique exact solution. This would still be true if one were to introduce artificial random perturbations of size $h^2$.



          In this case however, a small initial error gets magnified into a different solution. If one takes the Euler method with random perturbations, $N_{k+1}=N_k+hf(N_k)+h^2r_k$, the numerical solution will rapidly move away from the unstable zero solution and follow closely the other $N(t)=frac14(t-c)_+^2$, with a higher probability for $c$ being close to zero.



          enter image description here





          def Euler(f,t):
          y = np.zeros_like(t);
          for k in range(1,len(t)):
          h=t[k]-t[k-1];
          y[k]=y[k-1]+h*f(y[k-1])+h**2*(np.random.random()-0.5)
          return y

          t = np.linspace(0,2,41);
          plt.subplot(2,1,1); plt.title("Non-Lipschitz: $y'=sqrt{|y|}$")
          for k in range(15): y=Euler(lambda y: abs(y)**0.5, t); plt.plot(t,y);
          plt.grid();
          plt.subplot(2,1,2); plt.title("Lipschitz: $y'=0.5y+0.3$")
          for k in range(15): y=Euler(lambda y: 0.5*y+0.3, t); plt.plot(t,y);
          plt.grid(); plt.show()





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          Apart from these two solutions you can also combine them to solutions that are zero up to some point $tle c$ and then follow the shifted quadratic function, $N(t)=frac14(t-c)^2$ for $t>c$.



          The irritation you get is based on the mis-understanding of what it means that a derivative is zero. It just means that $N(h)=o(h)$ for $happrox 0$.



          If the differential equation were Lipschitz-continuous, small deviations of this size in any consistent integration method advancing with step size $h$ add up to an error that is still small for the whole solution. In other words, the Euler method and every other consistent method converges towards the unique exact solution. This would still be true if one were to introduce artificial random perturbations of size $h^2$.



          In this case however, a small initial error gets magnified into a different solution. If one takes the Euler method with random perturbations, $N_{k+1}=N_k+hf(N_k)+h^2r_k$, the numerical solution will rapidly move away from the unstable zero solution and follow closely the other $N(t)=frac14(t-c)_+^2$, with a higher probability for $c$ being close to zero.



          enter image description here





          def Euler(f,t):
          y = np.zeros_like(t);
          for k in range(1,len(t)):
          h=t[k]-t[k-1];
          y[k]=y[k-1]+h*f(y[k-1])+h**2*(np.random.random()-0.5)
          return y

          t = np.linspace(0,2,41);
          plt.subplot(2,1,1); plt.title("Non-Lipschitz: $y'=sqrt{|y|}$")
          for k in range(15): y=Euler(lambda y: abs(y)**0.5, t); plt.plot(t,y);
          plt.grid();
          plt.subplot(2,1,2); plt.title("Lipschitz: $y'=0.5y+0.3$")
          for k in range(15): y=Euler(lambda y: 0.5*y+0.3, t); plt.plot(t,y);
          plt.grid(); plt.show()






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              Zero derivative at one point does not mean no growth at other points.



              For example the derivative of function $$N(t)=frac {t^2}{4}$$ is $$N'(t)=t/2$$ That is the derivative is zero at $t=0$ but it is not zero at other points. The point of the problem is that in this case the solution is not unique.






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                Zero derivative at one point does not mean no growth at other points.



                For example the derivative of function $$N(t)=frac {t^2}{4}$$ is $$N'(t)=t/2$$ That is the derivative is zero at $t=0$ but it is not zero at other points. The point of the problem is that in this case the solution is not unique.






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                  Zero derivative at one point does not mean no growth at other points.



                  For example the derivative of function $$N(t)=frac {t^2}{4}$$ is $$N'(t)=t/2$$ That is the derivative is zero at $t=0$ but it is not zero at other points. The point of the problem is that in this case the solution is not unique.






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                  Zero derivative at one point does not mean no growth at other points.



                  For example the derivative of function $$N(t)=frac {t^2}{4}$$ is $$N'(t)=t/2$$ That is the derivative is zero at $t=0$ but it is not zero at other points. The point of the problem is that in this case the solution is not unique.







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                      You are correct. There are indeed two solutions. If the population is zero it will stay zero. The only way it will grow is if the initial conditions are positive. However, the population zero solution is "unstable" in the sense that even if the initial condition is slightly positive, the $t^2$ solution will kick in and push the population away from zero.






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                        The equation is also not well behaved, since $N(t) = t^2/4 , t>0, N(t) = 0 , tle 0 $ is also a solution; nothing mathematically prevents instantaneous growth from the 0 solution even if the solution has been 0 for all times before, which must add to the confusion of OP
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                        Thanks for your answer. Then, in this case, how can $frac{t^2}{4}$ be a solution ? It means that at $t = 0$, $N(0)$ is exactly $0$ and so is $frac{dN}{dt}$, so $N$ should never grow, unlike $frac{t^2}{4}$. It looks like a contradiction to me :/
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                        @DiegoHoutart you're deducing things from the function and derivative that you just simply can't. The function $t^2/4$ is exactly 0 at $t=0$, and so is its derivative, should it never grow?
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                        "If the population is zero it will stay zero." Not true. "The only way it will grow is if the initial conditions are positive." Frankly wrong.
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                      You are correct. There are indeed two solutions. If the population is zero it will stay zero. The only way it will grow is if the initial conditions are positive. However, the population zero solution is "unstable" in the sense that even if the initial condition is slightly positive, the $t^2$ solution will kick in and push the population away from zero.






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                        The equation is also not well behaved, since $N(t) = t^2/4 , t>0, N(t) = 0 , tle 0 $ is also a solution; nothing mathematically prevents instantaneous growth from the 0 solution even if the solution has been 0 for all times before, which must add to the confusion of OP
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                        Thanks for your answer. Then, in this case, how can $frac{t^2}{4}$ be a solution ? It means that at $t = 0$, $N(0)$ is exactly $0$ and so is $frac{dN}{dt}$, so $N$ should never grow, unlike $frac{t^2}{4}$. It looks like a contradiction to me :/
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                        @DiegoHoutart you're deducing things from the function and derivative that you just simply can't. The function $t^2/4$ is exactly 0 at $t=0$, and so is its derivative, should it never grow?
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                        "If the population is zero it will stay zero." Not true. "The only way it will grow is if the initial conditions are positive." Frankly wrong.
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                      You are correct. There are indeed two solutions. If the population is zero it will stay zero. The only way it will grow is if the initial conditions are positive. However, the population zero solution is "unstable" in the sense that even if the initial condition is slightly positive, the $t^2$ solution will kick in and push the population away from zero.






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                      You are correct. There are indeed two solutions. If the population is zero it will stay zero. The only way it will grow is if the initial conditions are positive. However, the population zero solution is "unstable" in the sense that even if the initial condition is slightly positive, the $t^2$ solution will kick in and push the population away from zero.







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                        The equation is also not well behaved, since $N(t) = t^2/4 , t>0, N(t) = 0 , tle 0 $ is also a solution; nothing mathematically prevents instantaneous growth from the 0 solution even if the solution has been 0 for all times before, which must add to the confusion of OP
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                        – Calvin Khor
                        Dec 31 '18 at 9:22










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                        Thanks for your answer. Then, in this case, how can $frac{t^2}{4}$ be a solution ? It means that at $t = 0$, $N(0)$ is exactly $0$ and so is $frac{dN}{dt}$, so $N$ should never grow, unlike $frac{t^2}{4}$. It looks like a contradiction to me :/
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                        – Diego Houtart
                        Dec 31 '18 at 9:25










                      • $begingroup$
                        @DiegoHoutart you're deducing things from the function and derivative that you just simply can't. The function $t^2/4$ is exactly 0 at $t=0$, and so is its derivative, should it never grow?
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                        – Calvin Khor
                        Dec 31 '18 at 9:28










                      • $begingroup$
                        "If the population is zero it will stay zero." Not true. "The only way it will grow is if the initial conditions are positive." Frankly wrong.
                        $endgroup$
                        – Did
                        Dec 31 '18 at 9:35


















                      • $begingroup$
                        The equation is also not well behaved, since $N(t) = t^2/4 , t>0, N(t) = 0 , tle 0 $ is also a solution; nothing mathematically prevents instantaneous growth from the 0 solution even if the solution has been 0 for all times before, which must add to the confusion of OP
                        $endgroup$
                        – Calvin Khor
                        Dec 31 '18 at 9:22










                      • $begingroup$
                        Thanks for your answer. Then, in this case, how can $frac{t^2}{4}$ be a solution ? It means that at $t = 0$, $N(0)$ is exactly $0$ and so is $frac{dN}{dt}$, so $N$ should never grow, unlike $frac{t^2}{4}$. It looks like a contradiction to me :/
                        $endgroup$
                        – Diego Houtart
                        Dec 31 '18 at 9:25










                      • $begingroup$
                        @DiegoHoutart you're deducing things from the function and derivative that you just simply can't. The function $t^2/4$ is exactly 0 at $t=0$, and so is its derivative, should it never grow?
                        $endgroup$
                        – Calvin Khor
                        Dec 31 '18 at 9:28










                      • $begingroup$
                        "If the population is zero it will stay zero." Not true. "The only way it will grow is if the initial conditions are positive." Frankly wrong.
                        $endgroup$
                        – Did
                        Dec 31 '18 at 9:35
















                      $begingroup$
                      The equation is also not well behaved, since $N(t) = t^2/4 , t>0, N(t) = 0 , tle 0 $ is also a solution; nothing mathematically prevents instantaneous growth from the 0 solution even if the solution has been 0 for all times before, which must add to the confusion of OP
                      $endgroup$
                      – Calvin Khor
                      Dec 31 '18 at 9:22




                      $begingroup$
                      The equation is also not well behaved, since $N(t) = t^2/4 , t>0, N(t) = 0 , tle 0 $ is also a solution; nothing mathematically prevents instantaneous growth from the 0 solution even if the solution has been 0 for all times before, which must add to the confusion of OP
                      $endgroup$
                      – Calvin Khor
                      Dec 31 '18 at 9:22












                      $begingroup$
                      Thanks for your answer. Then, in this case, how can $frac{t^2}{4}$ be a solution ? It means that at $t = 0$, $N(0)$ is exactly $0$ and so is $frac{dN}{dt}$, so $N$ should never grow, unlike $frac{t^2}{4}$. It looks like a contradiction to me :/
                      $endgroup$
                      – Diego Houtart
                      Dec 31 '18 at 9:25




                      $begingroup$
                      Thanks for your answer. Then, in this case, how can $frac{t^2}{4}$ be a solution ? It means that at $t = 0$, $N(0)$ is exactly $0$ and so is $frac{dN}{dt}$, so $N$ should never grow, unlike $frac{t^2}{4}$. It looks like a contradiction to me :/
                      $endgroup$
                      – Diego Houtart
                      Dec 31 '18 at 9:25












                      $begingroup$
                      @DiegoHoutart you're deducing things from the function and derivative that you just simply can't. The function $t^2/4$ is exactly 0 at $t=0$, and so is its derivative, should it never grow?
                      $endgroup$
                      – Calvin Khor
                      Dec 31 '18 at 9:28




                      $begingroup$
                      @DiegoHoutart you're deducing things from the function and derivative that you just simply can't. The function $t^2/4$ is exactly 0 at $t=0$, and so is its derivative, should it never grow?
                      $endgroup$
                      – Calvin Khor
                      Dec 31 '18 at 9:28












                      $begingroup$
                      "If the population is zero it will stay zero." Not true. "The only way it will grow is if the initial conditions are positive." Frankly wrong.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Did
                      Dec 31 '18 at 9:35




                      $begingroup$
                      "If the population is zero it will stay zero." Not true. "The only way it will grow is if the initial conditions are positive." Frankly wrong.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Did
                      Dec 31 '18 at 9:35


















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