$A^TJA = J$ $ rightarrow det(A) = 1$
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Why is this true? I cant seem to understand why the $det(A) = 1$ for this to hold?
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Why is this true? I cant seem to understand why the $det(A) = 1$ for this to hold?
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What is $J$? If $J$ is a non-singular skew-symmetric matrix then one can indeed show that $det A=1$.
– Fabian
Dec 2 at 20:50
Before dealing with matrices, try scalars. If $a^2 j = j$ then we can have $a = pm 1$. So it cannot be true for matrices.
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Why is this true? I cant seem to understand why the $det(A) = 1$ for this to hold?
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Why is this true? I cant seem to understand why the $det(A) = 1$ for this to hold?
differential-equations pde determinant matrix-calculus
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What is $J$? If $J$ is a non-singular skew-symmetric matrix then one can indeed show that $det A=1$.
– Fabian
Dec 2 at 20:50
Before dealing with matrices, try scalars. If $a^2 j = j$ then we can have $a = pm 1$. So it cannot be true for matrices.
– copper.hat
Dec 2 at 21:14
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What is $J$? If $J$ is a non-singular skew-symmetric matrix then one can indeed show that $det A=1$.
– Fabian
Dec 2 at 20:50
Before dealing with matrices, try scalars. If $a^2 j = j$ then we can have $a = pm 1$. So it cannot be true for matrices.
– copper.hat
Dec 2 at 21:14
What is $J$? If $J$ is a non-singular skew-symmetric matrix then one can indeed show that $det A=1$.
– Fabian
Dec 2 at 20:50
What is $J$? If $J$ is a non-singular skew-symmetric matrix then one can indeed show that $det A=1$.
– Fabian
Dec 2 at 20:50
Before dealing with matrices, try scalars. If $a^2 j = j$ then we can have $a = pm 1$. So it cannot be true for matrices.
– copper.hat
Dec 2 at 21:14
Before dealing with matrices, try scalars. If $a^2 j = j$ then we can have $a = pm 1$. So it cannot be true for matrices.
– copper.hat
Dec 2 at 21:14
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It is not indeed the case. We might have $$det (A)=-1$$ since $$det(A^TJA)=det(J)$$yields to $$det(A^T)det(J)det(A)=det(J)$$and if $J$ is invertible (i.e. the determinant is non-zero) we conclude $$det(A)^2=1$$if $J$ is singuler ($det(J)=0$) we cannot determine $det (A)$
Thats what i thought, thank you
– pablo_mathscobar
Dec 2 at 20:47
You're welcome. Good luck!
– Mostafa Ayaz
Dec 2 at 20:48
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I assume the matrices are over the real numbers.
In general, $det J$ can be anything.
If $J$ is invertible, then one can show that $det A = pm 1$ (see for example the answer by MostafaAyaz)
If $J$ is invertible and antisymmetric with $J= -J^T$, then one can show that $det A =1$. The proof of this fact is not completely elementary as it involves the Pfaffian with $$operatorname{Pf}(A^T J A) = det(A) operatorname{Pf}( J) ,.$$
As $A^T J A =J$ and $J$ is not singular, we follow $det A=1$.
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It is not true in all cases. The determinant is multiplicative, , and $det vphantom{A}^{mathrm tmkern -5mu}A=det A$, so
$$det(vphantom{A}^{mathrm tmkern -5mu}AJA)=(det A)^2det J$$
and if it is equal to $det J$ and $det Jne 0$, you can deduce $det A=pm1$.
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We assume $det A >0$
The multiplicative property of determinant implies $$ det A^T JA =(det A)^2 det J =det J$$
You may cancel $det J $ and the result follows. We are also-assuming that $det J ne 0$
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It is not true in full generality. For instance, if you are dealing with $1×1$ matrices, then matrix multiplication boils down to ordinary multiplication and the equation would be $Acdot Acdot J = J$, so assuming we are working over the rationals (though this can be generalized), we have $J=0$ or $A=1$ or $A=-1$.
In fact, this example can be generalized by applying the determinant to both sides of the equation and noting that $det (A^T)=det(A)$. This gives $det(A)^2 times det(J) = det(J)$, so if $det(J)$ is not zero, then $det(A)=1$ or $det(A)=-1$.
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It is not indeed the case. We might have $$det (A)=-1$$ since $$det(A^TJA)=det(J)$$yields to $$det(A^T)det(J)det(A)=det(J)$$and if $J$ is invertible (i.e. the determinant is non-zero) we conclude $$det(A)^2=1$$if $J$ is singuler ($det(J)=0$) we cannot determine $det (A)$
Thats what i thought, thank you
– pablo_mathscobar
Dec 2 at 20:47
You're welcome. Good luck!
– Mostafa Ayaz
Dec 2 at 20:48
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It is not indeed the case. We might have $$det (A)=-1$$ since $$det(A^TJA)=det(J)$$yields to $$det(A^T)det(J)det(A)=det(J)$$and if $J$ is invertible (i.e. the determinant is non-zero) we conclude $$det(A)^2=1$$if $J$ is singuler ($det(J)=0$) we cannot determine $det (A)$
Thats what i thought, thank you
– pablo_mathscobar
Dec 2 at 20:47
You're welcome. Good luck!
– Mostafa Ayaz
Dec 2 at 20:48
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It is not indeed the case. We might have $$det (A)=-1$$ since $$det(A^TJA)=det(J)$$yields to $$det(A^T)det(J)det(A)=det(J)$$and if $J$ is invertible (i.e. the determinant is non-zero) we conclude $$det(A)^2=1$$if $J$ is singuler ($det(J)=0$) we cannot determine $det (A)$
It is not indeed the case. We might have $$det (A)=-1$$ since $$det(A^TJA)=det(J)$$yields to $$det(A^T)det(J)det(A)=det(J)$$and if $J$ is invertible (i.e. the determinant is non-zero) we conclude $$det(A)^2=1$$if $J$ is singuler ($det(J)=0$) we cannot determine $det (A)$
answered Dec 2 at 20:46
Mostafa Ayaz
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Thats what i thought, thank you
– pablo_mathscobar
Dec 2 at 20:47
You're welcome. Good luck!
– Mostafa Ayaz
Dec 2 at 20:48
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Thats what i thought, thank you
– pablo_mathscobar
Dec 2 at 20:47
You're welcome. Good luck!
– Mostafa Ayaz
Dec 2 at 20:48
Thats what i thought, thank you
– pablo_mathscobar
Dec 2 at 20:47
Thats what i thought, thank you
– pablo_mathscobar
Dec 2 at 20:47
You're welcome. Good luck!
– Mostafa Ayaz
Dec 2 at 20:48
You're welcome. Good luck!
– Mostafa Ayaz
Dec 2 at 20:48
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I assume the matrices are over the real numbers.
In general, $det J$ can be anything.
If $J$ is invertible, then one can show that $det A = pm 1$ (see for example the answer by MostafaAyaz)
If $J$ is invertible and antisymmetric with $J= -J^T$, then one can show that $det A =1$. The proof of this fact is not completely elementary as it involves the Pfaffian with $$operatorname{Pf}(A^T J A) = det(A) operatorname{Pf}( J) ,.$$
As $A^T J A =J$ and $J$ is not singular, we follow $det A=1$.
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2
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I assume the matrices are over the real numbers.
In general, $det J$ can be anything.
If $J$ is invertible, then one can show that $det A = pm 1$ (see for example the answer by MostafaAyaz)
If $J$ is invertible and antisymmetric with $J= -J^T$, then one can show that $det A =1$. The proof of this fact is not completely elementary as it involves the Pfaffian with $$operatorname{Pf}(A^T J A) = det(A) operatorname{Pf}( J) ,.$$
As $A^T J A =J$ and $J$ is not singular, we follow $det A=1$.
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up vote
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I assume the matrices are over the real numbers.
In general, $det J$ can be anything.
If $J$ is invertible, then one can show that $det A = pm 1$ (see for example the answer by MostafaAyaz)
If $J$ is invertible and antisymmetric with $J= -J^T$, then one can show that $det A =1$. The proof of this fact is not completely elementary as it involves the Pfaffian with $$operatorname{Pf}(A^T J A) = det(A) operatorname{Pf}( J) ,.$$
As $A^T J A =J$ and $J$ is not singular, we follow $det A=1$.
I assume the matrices are over the real numbers.
In general, $det J$ can be anything.
If $J$ is invertible, then one can show that $det A = pm 1$ (see for example the answer by MostafaAyaz)
If $J$ is invertible and antisymmetric with $J= -J^T$, then one can show that $det A =1$. The proof of this fact is not completely elementary as it involves the Pfaffian with $$operatorname{Pf}(A^T J A) = det(A) operatorname{Pf}( J) ,.$$
As $A^T J A =J$ and $J$ is not singular, we follow $det A=1$.
answered Dec 2 at 20:54
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It is not true in all cases. The determinant is multiplicative, , and $det vphantom{A}^{mathrm tmkern -5mu}A=det A$, so
$$det(vphantom{A}^{mathrm tmkern -5mu}AJA)=(det A)^2det J$$
and if it is equal to $det J$ and $det Jne 0$, you can deduce $det A=pm1$.
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up vote
1
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It is not true in all cases. The determinant is multiplicative, , and $det vphantom{A}^{mathrm tmkern -5mu}A=det A$, so
$$det(vphantom{A}^{mathrm tmkern -5mu}AJA)=(det A)^2det J$$
and if it is equal to $det J$ and $det Jne 0$, you can deduce $det A=pm1$.
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It is not true in all cases. The determinant is multiplicative, , and $det vphantom{A}^{mathrm tmkern -5mu}A=det A$, so
$$det(vphantom{A}^{mathrm tmkern -5mu}AJA)=(det A)^2det J$$
and if it is equal to $det J$ and $det Jne 0$, you can deduce $det A=pm1$.
It is not true in all cases. The determinant is multiplicative, , and $det vphantom{A}^{mathrm tmkern -5mu}A=det A$, so
$$det(vphantom{A}^{mathrm tmkern -5mu}AJA)=(det A)^2det J$$
and if it is equal to $det J$ and $det Jne 0$, you can deduce $det A=pm1$.
answered Dec 2 at 20:48
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We assume $det A >0$
The multiplicative property of determinant implies $$ det A^T JA =(det A)^2 det J =det J$$
You may cancel $det J $ and the result follows. We are also-assuming that $det J ne 0$
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We assume $det A >0$
The multiplicative property of determinant implies $$ det A^T JA =(det A)^2 det J =det J$$
You may cancel $det J $ and the result follows. We are also-assuming that $det J ne 0$
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We assume $det A >0$
The multiplicative property of determinant implies $$ det A^T JA =(det A)^2 det J =det J$$
You may cancel $det J $ and the result follows. We are also-assuming that $det J ne 0$
We assume $det A >0$
The multiplicative property of determinant implies $$ det A^T JA =(det A)^2 det J =det J$$
You may cancel $det J $ and the result follows. We are also-assuming that $det J ne 0$
answered Dec 2 at 20:50
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It is not true in full generality. For instance, if you are dealing with $1×1$ matrices, then matrix multiplication boils down to ordinary multiplication and the equation would be $Acdot Acdot J = J$, so assuming we are working over the rationals (though this can be generalized), we have $J=0$ or $A=1$ or $A=-1$.
In fact, this example can be generalized by applying the determinant to both sides of the equation and noting that $det (A^T)=det(A)$. This gives $det(A)^2 times det(J) = det(J)$, so if $det(J)$ is not zero, then $det(A)=1$ or $det(A)=-1$.
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It is not true in full generality. For instance, if you are dealing with $1×1$ matrices, then matrix multiplication boils down to ordinary multiplication and the equation would be $Acdot Acdot J = J$, so assuming we are working over the rationals (though this can be generalized), we have $J=0$ or $A=1$ or $A=-1$.
In fact, this example can be generalized by applying the determinant to both sides of the equation and noting that $det (A^T)=det(A)$. This gives $det(A)^2 times det(J) = det(J)$, so if $det(J)$ is not zero, then $det(A)=1$ or $det(A)=-1$.
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It is not true in full generality. For instance, if you are dealing with $1×1$ matrices, then matrix multiplication boils down to ordinary multiplication and the equation would be $Acdot Acdot J = J$, so assuming we are working over the rationals (though this can be generalized), we have $J=0$ or $A=1$ or $A=-1$.
In fact, this example can be generalized by applying the determinant to both sides of the equation and noting that $det (A^T)=det(A)$. This gives $det(A)^2 times det(J) = det(J)$, so if $det(J)$ is not zero, then $det(A)=1$ or $det(A)=-1$.
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It is not true in full generality. For instance, if you are dealing with $1×1$ matrices, then matrix multiplication boils down to ordinary multiplication and the equation would be $Acdot Acdot J = J$, so assuming we are working over the rationals (though this can be generalized), we have $J=0$ or $A=1$ or $A=-1$.
In fact, this example can be generalized by applying the determinant to both sides of the equation and noting that $det (A^T)=det(A)$. This gives $det(A)^2 times det(J) = det(J)$, so if $det(J)$ is not zero, then $det(A)=1$ or $det(A)=-1$.
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What is $J$? If $J$ is a non-singular skew-symmetric matrix then one can indeed show that $det A=1$.
– Fabian
Dec 2 at 20:50
Before dealing with matrices, try scalars. If $a^2 j = j$ then we can have $a = pm 1$. So it cannot be true for matrices.
– copper.hat
Dec 2 at 21:14