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$x = (hr)/2(h-r)$, but what if h = r?










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  • I am assuming you are talking about only the curved surface area and not including the top and bottom of the cylinder?
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Find radius of a cylinder with the biggest area surface inscribed in cone. Cone has radius R, and height H. (sorry for bad english)
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i've tried and got this:
$x = (hr)/2(h-r)$, but what if h = r?










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  • What have you tried?
    – Nosrati
    Nov 10 at 16:20










  • Hello @3a43mka, welcome to MSE. Can you please add your own attempts in the question.
    – Ernie060
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  • Added my attempts>
    – 3a43mka
    Nov 10 at 16:42












  • I am assuming you are talking about only the curved surface area and not including the top and bottom of the cylinder?
    – Prakhar Nagpal
    Nov 10 at 17:13










  • Nope, full surface area
    – 3a43mka
    Nov 10 at 21:17













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Find radius of a cylinder with the biggest area surface inscribed in cone. Cone has radius R, and height H. (sorry for bad english)
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$x = (hr)/2(h-r)$, but what if h = r?










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Find radius of a cylinder with the biggest area surface inscribed in cone. Cone has radius R, and height H. (sorry for bad english)
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$x = (hr)/2(h-r)$, but what if h = r?







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  • What have you tried?
    – Nosrati
    Nov 10 at 16:20










  • Hello @3a43mka, welcome to MSE. Can you please add your own attempts in the question.
    – Ernie060
    Nov 10 at 16:20










  • Added my attempts>
    – 3a43mka
    Nov 10 at 16:42












  • I am assuming you are talking about only the curved surface area and not including the top and bottom of the cylinder?
    – Prakhar Nagpal
    Nov 10 at 17:13










  • Nope, full surface area
    – 3a43mka
    Nov 10 at 21:17


















  • What have you tried?
    – Nosrati
    Nov 10 at 16:20










  • Hello @3a43mka, welcome to MSE. Can you please add your own attempts in the question.
    – Ernie060
    Nov 10 at 16:20










  • Added my attempts>
    – 3a43mka
    Nov 10 at 16:42












  • I am assuming you are talking about only the curved surface area and not including the top and bottom of the cylinder?
    – Prakhar Nagpal
    Nov 10 at 17:13










  • Nope, full surface area
    – 3a43mka
    Nov 10 at 21:17
















What have you tried?
– Nosrati
Nov 10 at 16:20




What have you tried?
– Nosrati
Nov 10 at 16:20












Hello @3a43mka, welcome to MSE. Can you please add your own attempts in the question.
– Ernie060
Nov 10 at 16:20




Hello @3a43mka, welcome to MSE. Can you please add your own attempts in the question.
– Ernie060
Nov 10 at 16:20












Added my attempts>
– 3a43mka
Nov 10 at 16:42






Added my attempts>
– 3a43mka
Nov 10 at 16:42














I am assuming you are talking about only the curved surface area and not including the top and bottom of the cylinder?
– Prakhar Nagpal
Nov 10 at 17:13




I am assuming you are talking about only the curved surface area and not including the top and bottom of the cylinder?
– Prakhar Nagpal
Nov 10 at 17:13












Nope, full surface area
– 3a43mka
Nov 10 at 21:17




Nope, full surface area
– 3a43mka
Nov 10 at 21:17










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So, I want you to imagine a cylinder inside a cone of radius $r$ and height $h$ and a cylinder having a radius say $x$. Now imagine that the cylinder has a certain height and I am going to ignore that, instead, I am going to take the remaining height and call it $h^{'}$ so we get the height of the cylinder as $h-h^{'}$. Now leave that aside for a minute. Now we will use the same relation you derived, $$frac{h^{'}}{x} = frac{h}{r}$$ So, $$h^{'} = frac{hx}{r}$$ Now, the surface area $S_a$ is, $$ S_ a = 2 pi x Bigl(h-h^{'}Bigl) + 2pi x^2$$ which is equivalent to, $$ S_ a = 2 pi x Bigl(h-frac{hx}{r}Bigl) + 2pi x^2 $$ which gives us, $$S_a = 2 pi h Bigl(x - frac{x^2}{r}Bigl) + 2pi x^2 $$ Now in order to find the maximum area that can be described in the cone, we have to differentiate w.r.t $x$ and then set to $0$.

Now, $$frac{dS_{a}}{dx}=0$$ for maximum area. $$2 pi h cdot frac{dBigl(x - frac{x^2 }{r}Bigl)}{dx} + 2pi frac{dx^2}{dx}=0$$ Which gives us, $$2 pi h Bigl(1 - frac{2x}{r}Bigl) + 4pi x=0$$ So, $$hBigl(1- frac{2x}{r} Bigl) + 2x = 0$$ and now using this relation you can find $x$ in terms of $h$ and $r$. Personally I would only use, the curved surface area becuase the solution is much nicer in that case, but whatever, to each his own.






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    So, I want you to imagine a cylinder inside a cone of radius $r$ and height $h$ and a cylinder having a radius say $x$. Now imagine that the cylinder has a certain height and I am going to ignore that, instead, I am going to take the remaining height and call it $h^{'}$ so we get the height of the cylinder as $h-h^{'}$. Now leave that aside for a minute. Now we will use the same relation you derived, $$frac{h^{'}}{x} = frac{h}{r}$$ So, $$h^{'} = frac{hx}{r}$$ Now, the surface area $S_a$ is, $$ S_ a = 2 pi x Bigl(h-h^{'}Bigl) + 2pi x^2$$ which is equivalent to, $$ S_ a = 2 pi x Bigl(h-frac{hx}{r}Bigl) + 2pi x^2 $$ which gives us, $$S_a = 2 pi h Bigl(x - frac{x^2}{r}Bigl) + 2pi x^2 $$ Now in order to find the maximum area that can be described in the cone, we have to differentiate w.r.t $x$ and then set to $0$.

    Now, $$frac{dS_{a}}{dx}=0$$ for maximum area. $$2 pi h cdot frac{dBigl(x - frac{x^2 }{r}Bigl)}{dx} + 2pi frac{dx^2}{dx}=0$$ Which gives us, $$2 pi h Bigl(1 - frac{2x}{r}Bigl) + 4pi x=0$$ So, $$hBigl(1- frac{2x}{r} Bigl) + 2x = 0$$ and now using this relation you can find $x$ in terms of $h$ and $r$. Personally I would only use, the curved surface area becuase the solution is much nicer in that case, but whatever, to each his own.






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      So, I want you to imagine a cylinder inside a cone of radius $r$ and height $h$ and a cylinder having a radius say $x$. Now imagine that the cylinder has a certain height and I am going to ignore that, instead, I am going to take the remaining height and call it $h^{'}$ so we get the height of the cylinder as $h-h^{'}$. Now leave that aside for a minute. Now we will use the same relation you derived, $$frac{h^{'}}{x} = frac{h}{r}$$ So, $$h^{'} = frac{hx}{r}$$ Now, the surface area $S_a$ is, $$ S_ a = 2 pi x Bigl(h-h^{'}Bigl) + 2pi x^2$$ which is equivalent to, $$ S_ a = 2 pi x Bigl(h-frac{hx}{r}Bigl) + 2pi x^2 $$ which gives us, $$S_a = 2 pi h Bigl(x - frac{x^2}{r}Bigl) + 2pi x^2 $$ Now in order to find the maximum area that can be described in the cone, we have to differentiate w.r.t $x$ and then set to $0$.

      Now, $$frac{dS_{a}}{dx}=0$$ for maximum area. $$2 pi h cdot frac{dBigl(x - frac{x^2 }{r}Bigl)}{dx} + 2pi frac{dx^2}{dx}=0$$ Which gives us, $$2 pi h Bigl(1 - frac{2x}{r}Bigl) + 4pi x=0$$ So, $$hBigl(1- frac{2x}{r} Bigl) + 2x = 0$$ and now using this relation you can find $x$ in terms of $h$ and $r$. Personally I would only use, the curved surface area becuase the solution is much nicer in that case, but whatever, to each his own.






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        So, I want you to imagine a cylinder inside a cone of radius $r$ and height $h$ and a cylinder having a radius say $x$. Now imagine that the cylinder has a certain height and I am going to ignore that, instead, I am going to take the remaining height and call it $h^{'}$ so we get the height of the cylinder as $h-h^{'}$. Now leave that aside for a minute. Now we will use the same relation you derived, $$frac{h^{'}}{x} = frac{h}{r}$$ So, $$h^{'} = frac{hx}{r}$$ Now, the surface area $S_a$ is, $$ S_ a = 2 pi x Bigl(h-h^{'}Bigl) + 2pi x^2$$ which is equivalent to, $$ S_ a = 2 pi x Bigl(h-frac{hx}{r}Bigl) + 2pi x^2 $$ which gives us, $$S_a = 2 pi h Bigl(x - frac{x^2}{r}Bigl) + 2pi x^2 $$ Now in order to find the maximum area that can be described in the cone, we have to differentiate w.r.t $x$ and then set to $0$.

        Now, $$frac{dS_{a}}{dx}=0$$ for maximum area. $$2 pi h cdot frac{dBigl(x - frac{x^2 }{r}Bigl)}{dx} + 2pi frac{dx^2}{dx}=0$$ Which gives us, $$2 pi h Bigl(1 - frac{2x}{r}Bigl) + 4pi x=0$$ So, $$hBigl(1- frac{2x}{r} Bigl) + 2x = 0$$ and now using this relation you can find $x$ in terms of $h$ and $r$. Personally I would only use, the curved surface area becuase the solution is much nicer in that case, but whatever, to each his own.






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        So, I want you to imagine a cylinder inside a cone of radius $r$ and height $h$ and a cylinder having a radius say $x$. Now imagine that the cylinder has a certain height and I am going to ignore that, instead, I am going to take the remaining height and call it $h^{'}$ so we get the height of the cylinder as $h-h^{'}$. Now leave that aside for a minute. Now we will use the same relation you derived, $$frac{h^{'}}{x} = frac{h}{r}$$ So, $$h^{'} = frac{hx}{r}$$ Now, the surface area $S_a$ is, $$ S_ a = 2 pi x Bigl(h-h^{'}Bigl) + 2pi x^2$$ which is equivalent to, $$ S_ a = 2 pi x Bigl(h-frac{hx}{r}Bigl) + 2pi x^2 $$ which gives us, $$S_a = 2 pi h Bigl(x - frac{x^2}{r}Bigl) + 2pi x^2 $$ Now in order to find the maximum area that can be described in the cone, we have to differentiate w.r.t $x$ and then set to $0$.

        Now, $$frac{dS_{a}}{dx}=0$$ for maximum area. $$2 pi h cdot frac{dBigl(x - frac{x^2 }{r}Bigl)}{dx} + 2pi frac{dx^2}{dx}=0$$ Which gives us, $$2 pi h Bigl(1 - frac{2x}{r}Bigl) + 4pi x=0$$ So, $$hBigl(1- frac{2x}{r} Bigl) + 2x = 0$$ and now using this relation you can find $x$ in terms of $h$ and $r$. Personally I would only use, the curved surface area becuase the solution is much nicer in that case, but whatever, to each his own.







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