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    HINT: Check divisibility by $17$
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    And how to check divisibility by 17 ?
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    HINT: Check divisibility by $17$
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    HINT: Check divisibility by $17$
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    And how to check divisibility by 17 ?
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    HINT: Check divisibility by $17$
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And how to check divisibility by 17 ?
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Assume that $a^2 -3a -19 = 289n$ for some integers $a$, and $n$.



Then: $a^2 - 3a -19 - 289n = 0$, taking "delta"



$$Delta = b^2 - 4ac = (-3)^2 -4(1)(-19-289n) = 9 + 76 + 1156n = 85 + 1156n = 17(5 + 4times17n)$$



must be a perfect square.



Thus $17(5 + 4 times 17n)$ can be written as a product of squares of primes. Since $17$ is a prime itself, the factor $5 + 4 times 17n = 17p^2 times q^2 times ...t^2$ with $p, q, ..., t$ are primes.



But this means $5 + 4 times 17n = 0 pmod{17}$ a contradiction since it is $5 pmod{17}$.






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    great answer!!!
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    The expression that must be a perfect square is $17(5+4*17n)$, not $17(5+4*289n)$. It doesn't affect the argument, though.
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$a^2-3a-19 = (a+7)^2-17(a+4)$. For $17^2$ to divide this, $17$ has to divide both $a+7$ and $a+4$, which is impossible.






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    Doing algebra with number systems is often easier than trying to do algebra with divisibility. This is one of those cases.



    What you are asked to show is the same thing as showing



    $$ a^2 -3a - 19 equiv 0 bmod 289 $$



    has no solutions. $289$ is odd so that we can divide by $2$ — in particular, that means we can solve quadratic equations in the usual way. You can go through the exercise of completing the square if you like, but the quadratic formula works too:



    $$begin{align}
    a &= frac{3 + sqrt{(-3)^2 - 4 cdot (-19)}}{2} mod{289 }
    \ &= frac{3 + sqrt{85}}{2} mod{289}
    end{align}
    $$



    where each choice of square root gives a solution, and conversely, every solution comes from a choice of square root. (for general moduli, it is possible to have more than two square roots, although that can't happen for odd prime powers, such as this problem)



    To compute square roots, it is usually best to work modulo the prime factors first, then lift to powers of primes, and finally use the Chinese Remainder Theorem to patch the solution together. Here, $289 = 17^2$, so we only have to do the first two steps.



    So first, we need



    $$ sqrt{85} = sqrt{0} = 0 mod{17}$$



    Thus, if $85$ has a square root modulo $289$, it must be a multiple of 17.



    However,



    $$ (17c)^2 = 289c^2 = 0 mod{289} $$



    therefore $85$ does not have a square root modulo $289$. Thus, there is no solution for $a$.






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      As $289=17^2,$ let us check the divisibility by $17$



      $$a^2-3a-19equiv0pmod{289}implies a^2-3a-19equiv0pmod{17}$$



      $$iff a^2-3aequiv19equiv2iff4a^2-12aequiv8pmod{17}text{ as }(4,17)=1$$



      $$iff(2a-3)^2equiv0$$



      $$iff 2aequiv3pmod{17}equiv20iff aequiv10text{ as }(2,17)=1$$



      So, $a=17c+10$ where $c$ is some integer



      $$a^2-3a-19=(17c+10)^2-3(17c+10)-19equiv51pmod{289}$$






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        Initially , have you taken the expression to be divisible by 17 ?
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        @user2369284, yes, I have solved for modulo $17$ as it is a factor of $289$
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        but how can you take so when it is not given ?
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        @user2369284, do you know, if $a$ divides $b$ and $b$ divides $c;a$ must divide $c$. Btw, you can check other answers
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        @user2369284: No, you don't have to start by solving modulo $17$. However, the arithmetic involved is sometimes simpler if you solve modulo 17, then lift the solution to modulo 289 (e.g. this is often done to calculate square roots). IMO, you shouldn't think about divisibility at all: you should be thinking about modular arithmetic. But if you insist, you know that something divisible by 289 must also be divisible by 17, so it's fair to start there.
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      Inspired by mercio



      let us find $x,y$ such that $x-y=3,x+y=17implies x=10,y=7$



      $$a^2-3a-19=(a-10)(a+7)+51$$



      As $51$ is divisible by $17,$ so must be $(a-10)(a+7)$ to make $17|(a^2-3a-19)$



      Now $17|(a-10)iff 17|(a+7)$ as $(a+7)-(a-10)=17$



      So, $17^2|(a-10)(a+7),$ but $17^2not|51$



      Generalization:



      Let us find integer $x,y$ such that



      $displaystyle x-y=-3$(the coefficient of $a$)



      and $displaystyle x+y=17c$ so that either both or none $(a+x),(a-y)$ will be divisible by $17$



      $implies 2x=17c-3implies c$ must be odd $=2d+1$(say) for some integer $d$



      $implies x=17d+7$ and $y=x+3=17d+10$



      Now, $displaystyle (a+x)(a+y)={a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}=a^2-3a-(17d+7)(17d+10)$



      $displaystyleimplies a^2-3a-19={a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}+(17d+7)(17d+10)-19$



      $displaystyleimplies a^2-3a-19=underbrace{{a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}}_{text{terms with difference }=17}+17^2(d^2+d)+51$



      Now the logic is exactly same as the one above



      In the above method $d=0$






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        why have you taken x-y=3, x+y=17,how did you feel that it was necesary ?
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        @user2369284, observe the coefficient of $3$ and we need modulo $17$ first. So that both or none of $a-x,a+y$ be divisible by $17$. See this(math.stackexchange.com/questions/9431/…)
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        @user2369284, please have a look into the edited version
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      Assume that $a^2 -3a -19 = 289n$ for some integers $a$, and $n$.



      Then: $a^2 - 3a -19 - 289n = 0$, taking "delta"



      $$Delta = b^2 - 4ac = (-3)^2 -4(1)(-19-289n) = 9 + 76 + 1156n = 85 + 1156n = 17(5 + 4times17n)$$



      must be a perfect square.



      Thus $17(5 + 4 times 17n)$ can be written as a product of squares of primes. Since $17$ is a prime itself, the factor $5 + 4 times 17n = 17p^2 times q^2 times ...t^2$ with $p, q, ..., t$ are primes.



      But this means $5 + 4 times 17n = 0 pmod{17}$ a contradiction since it is $5 pmod{17}$.






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        The expression that must be a perfect square is $17(5+4*17n)$, not $17(5+4*289n)$. It doesn't affect the argument, though.
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      Assume that $a^2 -3a -19 = 289n$ for some integers $a$, and $n$.



      Then: $a^2 - 3a -19 - 289n = 0$, taking "delta"



      $$Delta = b^2 - 4ac = (-3)^2 -4(1)(-19-289n) = 9 + 76 + 1156n = 85 + 1156n = 17(5 + 4times17n)$$



      must be a perfect square.



      Thus $17(5 + 4 times 17n)$ can be written as a product of squares of primes. Since $17$ is a prime itself, the factor $5 + 4 times 17n = 17p^2 times q^2 times ...t^2$ with $p, q, ..., t$ are primes.



      But this means $5 + 4 times 17n = 0 pmod{17}$ a contradiction since it is $5 pmod{17}$.






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        The expression that must be a perfect square is $17(5+4*17n)$, not $17(5+4*289n)$. It doesn't affect the argument, though.
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      Assume that $a^2 -3a -19 = 289n$ for some integers $a$, and $n$.



      Then: $a^2 - 3a -19 - 289n = 0$, taking "delta"



      $$Delta = b^2 - 4ac = (-3)^2 -4(1)(-19-289n) = 9 + 76 + 1156n = 85 + 1156n = 17(5 + 4times17n)$$



      must be a perfect square.



      Thus $17(5 + 4 times 17n)$ can be written as a product of squares of primes. Since $17$ is a prime itself, the factor $5 + 4 times 17n = 17p^2 times q^2 times ...t^2$ with $p, q, ..., t$ are primes.



      But this means $5 + 4 times 17n = 0 pmod{17}$ a contradiction since it is $5 pmod{17}$.






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      Assume that $a^2 -3a -19 = 289n$ for some integers $a$, and $n$.



      Then: $a^2 - 3a -19 - 289n = 0$, taking "delta"



      $$Delta = b^2 - 4ac = (-3)^2 -4(1)(-19-289n) = 9 + 76 + 1156n = 85 + 1156n = 17(5 + 4times17n)$$



      must be a perfect square.



      Thus $17(5 + 4 times 17n)$ can be written as a product of squares of primes. Since $17$ is a prime itself, the factor $5 + 4 times 17n = 17p^2 times q^2 times ...t^2$ with $p, q, ..., t$ are primes.



      But this means $5 + 4 times 17n = 0 pmod{17}$ a contradiction since it is $5 pmod{17}$.







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        The expression that must be a perfect square is $17(5+4*17n)$, not $17(5+4*289n)$. It doesn't affect the argument, though.
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        The expression that must be a perfect square is $17(5+4*17n)$, not $17(5+4*289n)$. It doesn't affect the argument, though.
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      The expression that must be a perfect square is $17(5+4*17n)$, not $17(5+4*289n)$. It doesn't affect the argument, though.
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      The expression that must be a perfect square is $17(5+4*17n)$, not $17(5+4*289n)$. It doesn't affect the argument, though.
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      $a^2-3a-19 = (a+7)^2-17(a+4)$. For $17^2$ to divide this, $17$ has to divide both $a+7$ and $a+4$, which is impossible.






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        $a^2-3a-19 = (a+7)^2-17(a+4)$. For $17^2$ to divide this, $17$ has to divide both $a+7$ and $a+4$, which is impossible.






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          $a^2-3a-19 = (a+7)^2-17(a+4)$. For $17^2$ to divide this, $17$ has to divide both $a+7$ and $a+4$, which is impossible.






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          $a^2-3a-19 = (a+7)^2-17(a+4)$. For $17^2$ to divide this, $17$ has to divide both $a+7$ and $a+4$, which is impossible.







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              Doing algebra with number systems is often easier than trying to do algebra with divisibility. This is one of those cases.



              What you are asked to show is the same thing as showing



              $$ a^2 -3a - 19 equiv 0 bmod 289 $$



              has no solutions. $289$ is odd so that we can divide by $2$ — in particular, that means we can solve quadratic equations in the usual way. You can go through the exercise of completing the square if you like, but the quadratic formula works too:



              $$begin{align}
              a &= frac{3 + sqrt{(-3)^2 - 4 cdot (-19)}}{2} mod{289 }
              \ &= frac{3 + sqrt{85}}{2} mod{289}
              end{align}
              $$



              where each choice of square root gives a solution, and conversely, every solution comes from a choice of square root. (for general moduli, it is possible to have more than two square roots, although that can't happen for odd prime powers, such as this problem)



              To compute square roots, it is usually best to work modulo the prime factors first, then lift to powers of primes, and finally use the Chinese Remainder Theorem to patch the solution together. Here, $289 = 17^2$, so we only have to do the first two steps.



              So first, we need



              $$ sqrt{85} = sqrt{0} = 0 mod{17}$$



              Thus, if $85$ has a square root modulo $289$, it must be a multiple of 17.



              However,



              $$ (17c)^2 = 289c^2 = 0 mod{289} $$



              therefore $85$ does not have a square root modulo $289$. Thus, there is no solution for $a$.






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                Doing algebra with number systems is often easier than trying to do algebra with divisibility. This is one of those cases.



                What you are asked to show is the same thing as showing



                $$ a^2 -3a - 19 equiv 0 bmod 289 $$



                has no solutions. $289$ is odd so that we can divide by $2$ — in particular, that means we can solve quadratic equations in the usual way. You can go through the exercise of completing the square if you like, but the quadratic formula works too:



                $$begin{align}
                a &= frac{3 + sqrt{(-3)^2 - 4 cdot (-19)}}{2} mod{289 }
                \ &= frac{3 + sqrt{85}}{2} mod{289}
                end{align}
                $$



                where each choice of square root gives a solution, and conversely, every solution comes from a choice of square root. (for general moduli, it is possible to have more than two square roots, although that can't happen for odd prime powers, such as this problem)



                To compute square roots, it is usually best to work modulo the prime factors first, then lift to powers of primes, and finally use the Chinese Remainder Theorem to patch the solution together. Here, $289 = 17^2$, so we only have to do the first two steps.



                So first, we need



                $$ sqrt{85} = sqrt{0} = 0 mod{17}$$



                Thus, if $85$ has a square root modulo $289$, it must be a multiple of 17.



                However,



                $$ (17c)^2 = 289c^2 = 0 mod{289} $$



                therefore $85$ does not have a square root modulo $289$. Thus, there is no solution for $a$.






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                  Doing algebra with number systems is often easier than trying to do algebra with divisibility. This is one of those cases.



                  What you are asked to show is the same thing as showing



                  $$ a^2 -3a - 19 equiv 0 bmod 289 $$



                  has no solutions. $289$ is odd so that we can divide by $2$ — in particular, that means we can solve quadratic equations in the usual way. You can go through the exercise of completing the square if you like, but the quadratic formula works too:



                  $$begin{align}
                  a &= frac{3 + sqrt{(-3)^2 - 4 cdot (-19)}}{2} mod{289 }
                  \ &= frac{3 + sqrt{85}}{2} mod{289}
                  end{align}
                  $$



                  where each choice of square root gives a solution, and conversely, every solution comes from a choice of square root. (for general moduli, it is possible to have more than two square roots, although that can't happen for odd prime powers, such as this problem)



                  To compute square roots, it is usually best to work modulo the prime factors first, then lift to powers of primes, and finally use the Chinese Remainder Theorem to patch the solution together. Here, $289 = 17^2$, so we only have to do the first two steps.



                  So first, we need



                  $$ sqrt{85} = sqrt{0} = 0 mod{17}$$



                  Thus, if $85$ has a square root modulo $289$, it must be a multiple of 17.



                  However,



                  $$ (17c)^2 = 289c^2 = 0 mod{289} $$



                  therefore $85$ does not have a square root modulo $289$. Thus, there is no solution for $a$.






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                  Doing algebra with number systems is often easier than trying to do algebra with divisibility. This is one of those cases.



                  What you are asked to show is the same thing as showing



                  $$ a^2 -3a - 19 equiv 0 bmod 289 $$



                  has no solutions. $289$ is odd so that we can divide by $2$ — in particular, that means we can solve quadratic equations in the usual way. You can go through the exercise of completing the square if you like, but the quadratic formula works too:



                  $$begin{align}
                  a &= frac{3 + sqrt{(-3)^2 - 4 cdot (-19)}}{2} mod{289 }
                  \ &= frac{3 + sqrt{85}}{2} mod{289}
                  end{align}
                  $$



                  where each choice of square root gives a solution, and conversely, every solution comes from a choice of square root. (for general moduli, it is possible to have more than two square roots, although that can't happen for odd prime powers, such as this problem)



                  To compute square roots, it is usually best to work modulo the prime factors first, then lift to powers of primes, and finally use the Chinese Remainder Theorem to patch the solution together. Here, $289 = 17^2$, so we only have to do the first two steps.



                  So first, we need



                  $$ sqrt{85} = sqrt{0} = 0 mod{17}$$



                  Thus, if $85$ has a square root modulo $289$, it must be a multiple of 17.



                  However,



                  $$ (17c)^2 = 289c^2 = 0 mod{289} $$



                  therefore $85$ does not have a square root modulo $289$. Thus, there is no solution for $a$.







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                      As $289=17^2,$ let us check the divisibility by $17$



                      $$a^2-3a-19equiv0pmod{289}implies a^2-3a-19equiv0pmod{17}$$



                      $$iff a^2-3aequiv19equiv2iff4a^2-12aequiv8pmod{17}text{ as }(4,17)=1$$



                      $$iff(2a-3)^2equiv0$$



                      $$iff 2aequiv3pmod{17}equiv20iff aequiv10text{ as }(2,17)=1$$



                      So, $a=17c+10$ where $c$ is some integer



                      $$a^2-3a-19=(17c+10)^2-3(17c+10)-19equiv51pmod{289}$$






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                      • $begingroup$
                        Initially , have you taken the expression to be divisible by 17 ?
                        $endgroup$
                        – user2369284
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:16










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, yes, I have solved for modulo $17$ as it is a factor of $289$
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:18










                      • $begingroup$
                        but how can you take so when it is not given ?
                        $endgroup$
                        – user2369284
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:19










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, do you know, if $a$ divides $b$ and $b$ divides $c;a$ must divide $c$. Btw, you can check other answers
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:20










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284: No, you don't have to start by solving modulo $17$. However, the arithmetic involved is sometimes simpler if you solve modulo 17, then lift the solution to modulo 289 (e.g. this is often done to calculate square roots). IMO, you shouldn't think about divisibility at all: you should be thinking about modular arithmetic. But if you insist, you know that something divisible by 289 must also be divisible by 17, so it's fair to start there.
                        $endgroup$
                        – Hurkyl
                        Nov 30 '13 at 14:54


















                      1












                      $begingroup$

                      As $289=17^2,$ let us check the divisibility by $17$



                      $$a^2-3a-19equiv0pmod{289}implies a^2-3a-19equiv0pmod{17}$$



                      $$iff a^2-3aequiv19equiv2iff4a^2-12aequiv8pmod{17}text{ as }(4,17)=1$$



                      $$iff(2a-3)^2equiv0$$



                      $$iff 2aequiv3pmod{17}equiv20iff aequiv10text{ as }(2,17)=1$$



                      So, $a=17c+10$ where $c$ is some integer



                      $$a^2-3a-19=(17c+10)^2-3(17c+10)-19equiv51pmod{289}$$






                      share|cite|improve this answer









                      $endgroup$













                      • $begingroup$
                        Initially , have you taken the expression to be divisible by 17 ?
                        $endgroup$
                        – user2369284
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:16










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, yes, I have solved for modulo $17$ as it is a factor of $289$
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:18










                      • $begingroup$
                        but how can you take so when it is not given ?
                        $endgroup$
                        – user2369284
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:19










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, do you know, if $a$ divides $b$ and $b$ divides $c;a$ must divide $c$. Btw, you can check other answers
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:20










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284: No, you don't have to start by solving modulo $17$. However, the arithmetic involved is sometimes simpler if you solve modulo 17, then lift the solution to modulo 289 (e.g. this is often done to calculate square roots). IMO, you shouldn't think about divisibility at all: you should be thinking about modular arithmetic. But if you insist, you know that something divisible by 289 must also be divisible by 17, so it's fair to start there.
                        $endgroup$
                        – Hurkyl
                        Nov 30 '13 at 14:54
















                      1












                      1








                      1





                      $begingroup$

                      As $289=17^2,$ let us check the divisibility by $17$



                      $$a^2-3a-19equiv0pmod{289}implies a^2-3a-19equiv0pmod{17}$$



                      $$iff a^2-3aequiv19equiv2iff4a^2-12aequiv8pmod{17}text{ as }(4,17)=1$$



                      $$iff(2a-3)^2equiv0$$



                      $$iff 2aequiv3pmod{17}equiv20iff aequiv10text{ as }(2,17)=1$$



                      So, $a=17c+10$ where $c$ is some integer



                      $$a^2-3a-19=(17c+10)^2-3(17c+10)-19equiv51pmod{289}$$






                      share|cite|improve this answer









                      $endgroup$



                      As $289=17^2,$ let us check the divisibility by $17$



                      $$a^2-3a-19equiv0pmod{289}implies a^2-3a-19equiv0pmod{17}$$



                      $$iff a^2-3aequiv19equiv2iff4a^2-12aequiv8pmod{17}text{ as }(4,17)=1$$



                      $$iff(2a-3)^2equiv0$$



                      $$iff 2aequiv3pmod{17}equiv20iff aequiv10text{ as }(2,17)=1$$



                      So, $a=17c+10$ where $c$ is some integer



                      $$a^2-3a-19=(17c+10)^2-3(17c+10)-19equiv51pmod{289}$$







                      share|cite|improve this answer












                      share|cite|improve this answer



                      share|cite|improve this answer










                      answered Nov 30 '13 at 11:03









                      lab bhattacharjeelab bhattacharjee

                      228k15158279




                      228k15158279












                      • $begingroup$
                        Initially , have you taken the expression to be divisible by 17 ?
                        $endgroup$
                        – user2369284
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:16










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, yes, I have solved for modulo $17$ as it is a factor of $289$
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:18










                      • $begingroup$
                        but how can you take so when it is not given ?
                        $endgroup$
                        – user2369284
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:19










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, do you know, if $a$ divides $b$ and $b$ divides $c;a$ must divide $c$. Btw, you can check other answers
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:20










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284: No, you don't have to start by solving modulo $17$. However, the arithmetic involved is sometimes simpler if you solve modulo 17, then lift the solution to modulo 289 (e.g. this is often done to calculate square roots). IMO, you shouldn't think about divisibility at all: you should be thinking about modular arithmetic. But if you insist, you know that something divisible by 289 must also be divisible by 17, so it's fair to start there.
                        $endgroup$
                        – Hurkyl
                        Nov 30 '13 at 14:54




















                      • $begingroup$
                        Initially , have you taken the expression to be divisible by 17 ?
                        $endgroup$
                        – user2369284
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:16










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, yes, I have solved for modulo $17$ as it is a factor of $289$
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:18










                      • $begingroup$
                        but how can you take so when it is not given ?
                        $endgroup$
                        – user2369284
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:19










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, do you know, if $a$ divides $b$ and $b$ divides $c;a$ must divide $c$. Btw, you can check other answers
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:20










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284: No, you don't have to start by solving modulo $17$. However, the arithmetic involved is sometimes simpler if you solve modulo 17, then lift the solution to modulo 289 (e.g. this is often done to calculate square roots). IMO, you shouldn't think about divisibility at all: you should be thinking about modular arithmetic. But if you insist, you know that something divisible by 289 must also be divisible by 17, so it's fair to start there.
                        $endgroup$
                        – Hurkyl
                        Nov 30 '13 at 14:54


















                      $begingroup$
                      Initially , have you taken the expression to be divisible by 17 ?
                      $endgroup$
                      – user2369284
                      Nov 30 '13 at 11:16




                      $begingroup$
                      Initially , have you taken the expression to be divisible by 17 ?
                      $endgroup$
                      – user2369284
                      Nov 30 '13 at 11:16












                      $begingroup$
                      @user2369284, yes, I have solved for modulo $17$ as it is a factor of $289$
                      $endgroup$
                      – lab bhattacharjee
                      Nov 30 '13 at 11:18




                      $begingroup$
                      @user2369284, yes, I have solved for modulo $17$ as it is a factor of $289$
                      $endgroup$
                      – lab bhattacharjee
                      Nov 30 '13 at 11:18












                      $begingroup$
                      but how can you take so when it is not given ?
                      $endgroup$
                      – user2369284
                      Nov 30 '13 at 11:19




                      $begingroup$
                      but how can you take so when it is not given ?
                      $endgroup$
                      – user2369284
                      Nov 30 '13 at 11:19












                      $begingroup$
                      @user2369284, do you know, if $a$ divides $b$ and $b$ divides $c;a$ must divide $c$. Btw, you can check other answers
                      $endgroup$
                      – lab bhattacharjee
                      Nov 30 '13 at 11:20




                      $begingroup$
                      @user2369284, do you know, if $a$ divides $b$ and $b$ divides $c;a$ must divide $c$. Btw, you can check other answers
                      $endgroup$
                      – lab bhattacharjee
                      Nov 30 '13 at 11:20












                      $begingroup$
                      @user2369284: No, you don't have to start by solving modulo $17$. However, the arithmetic involved is sometimes simpler if you solve modulo 17, then lift the solution to modulo 289 (e.g. this is often done to calculate square roots). IMO, you shouldn't think about divisibility at all: you should be thinking about modular arithmetic. But if you insist, you know that something divisible by 289 must also be divisible by 17, so it's fair to start there.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Hurkyl
                      Nov 30 '13 at 14:54






                      $begingroup$
                      @user2369284: No, you don't have to start by solving modulo $17$. However, the arithmetic involved is sometimes simpler if you solve modulo 17, then lift the solution to modulo 289 (e.g. this is often done to calculate square roots). IMO, you shouldn't think about divisibility at all: you should be thinking about modular arithmetic. But if you insist, you know that something divisible by 289 must also be divisible by 17, so it's fair to start there.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Hurkyl
                      Nov 30 '13 at 14:54













                      1












                      $begingroup$

                      Inspired by mercio



                      let us find $x,y$ such that $x-y=3,x+y=17implies x=10,y=7$



                      $$a^2-3a-19=(a-10)(a+7)+51$$



                      As $51$ is divisible by $17,$ so must be $(a-10)(a+7)$ to make $17|(a^2-3a-19)$



                      Now $17|(a-10)iff 17|(a+7)$ as $(a+7)-(a-10)=17$



                      So, $17^2|(a-10)(a+7),$ but $17^2not|51$



                      Generalization:



                      Let us find integer $x,y$ such that



                      $displaystyle x-y=-3$(the coefficient of $a$)



                      and $displaystyle x+y=17c$ so that either both or none $(a+x),(a-y)$ will be divisible by $17$



                      $implies 2x=17c-3implies c$ must be odd $=2d+1$(say) for some integer $d$



                      $implies x=17d+7$ and $y=x+3=17d+10$



                      Now, $displaystyle (a+x)(a+y)={a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}=a^2-3a-(17d+7)(17d+10)$



                      $displaystyleimplies a^2-3a-19={a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}+(17d+7)(17d+10)-19$



                      $displaystyleimplies a^2-3a-19=underbrace{{a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}}_{text{terms with difference }=17}+17^2(d^2+d)+51$



                      Now the logic is exactly same as the one above



                      In the above method $d=0$






                      share|cite|improve this answer











                      $endgroup$













                      • $begingroup$
                        why have you taken x-y=3, x+y=17,how did you feel that it was necesary ?
                        $endgroup$
                        – user2369284
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:23










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, observe the coefficient of $3$ and we need modulo $17$ first. So that both or none of $a-x,a+y$ be divisible by $17$. See this(math.stackexchange.com/questions/9431/…)
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:27












                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, please have a look into the edited version
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 15:52


















                      1












                      $begingroup$

                      Inspired by mercio



                      let us find $x,y$ such that $x-y=3,x+y=17implies x=10,y=7$



                      $$a^2-3a-19=(a-10)(a+7)+51$$



                      As $51$ is divisible by $17,$ so must be $(a-10)(a+7)$ to make $17|(a^2-3a-19)$



                      Now $17|(a-10)iff 17|(a+7)$ as $(a+7)-(a-10)=17$



                      So, $17^2|(a-10)(a+7),$ but $17^2not|51$



                      Generalization:



                      Let us find integer $x,y$ such that



                      $displaystyle x-y=-3$(the coefficient of $a$)



                      and $displaystyle x+y=17c$ so that either both or none $(a+x),(a-y)$ will be divisible by $17$



                      $implies 2x=17c-3implies c$ must be odd $=2d+1$(say) for some integer $d$



                      $implies x=17d+7$ and $y=x+3=17d+10$



                      Now, $displaystyle (a+x)(a+y)={a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}=a^2-3a-(17d+7)(17d+10)$



                      $displaystyleimplies a^2-3a-19={a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}+(17d+7)(17d+10)-19$



                      $displaystyleimplies a^2-3a-19=underbrace{{a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}}_{text{terms with difference }=17}+17^2(d^2+d)+51$



                      Now the logic is exactly same as the one above



                      In the above method $d=0$






                      share|cite|improve this answer











                      $endgroup$













                      • $begingroup$
                        why have you taken x-y=3, x+y=17,how did you feel that it was necesary ?
                        $endgroup$
                        – user2369284
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:23










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, observe the coefficient of $3$ and we need modulo $17$ first. So that both or none of $a-x,a+y$ be divisible by $17$. See this(math.stackexchange.com/questions/9431/…)
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:27












                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, please have a look into the edited version
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 15:52
















                      1












                      1








                      1





                      $begingroup$

                      Inspired by mercio



                      let us find $x,y$ such that $x-y=3,x+y=17implies x=10,y=7$



                      $$a^2-3a-19=(a-10)(a+7)+51$$



                      As $51$ is divisible by $17,$ so must be $(a-10)(a+7)$ to make $17|(a^2-3a-19)$



                      Now $17|(a-10)iff 17|(a+7)$ as $(a+7)-(a-10)=17$



                      So, $17^2|(a-10)(a+7),$ but $17^2not|51$



                      Generalization:



                      Let us find integer $x,y$ such that



                      $displaystyle x-y=-3$(the coefficient of $a$)



                      and $displaystyle x+y=17c$ so that either both or none $(a+x),(a-y)$ will be divisible by $17$



                      $implies 2x=17c-3implies c$ must be odd $=2d+1$(say) for some integer $d$



                      $implies x=17d+7$ and $y=x+3=17d+10$



                      Now, $displaystyle (a+x)(a+y)={a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}=a^2-3a-(17d+7)(17d+10)$



                      $displaystyleimplies a^2-3a-19={a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}+(17d+7)(17d+10)-19$



                      $displaystyleimplies a^2-3a-19=underbrace{{a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}}_{text{terms with difference }=17}+17^2(d^2+d)+51$



                      Now the logic is exactly same as the one above



                      In the above method $d=0$






                      share|cite|improve this answer











                      $endgroup$



                      Inspired by mercio



                      let us find $x,y$ such that $x-y=3,x+y=17implies x=10,y=7$



                      $$a^2-3a-19=(a-10)(a+7)+51$$



                      As $51$ is divisible by $17,$ so must be $(a-10)(a+7)$ to make $17|(a^2-3a-19)$



                      Now $17|(a-10)iff 17|(a+7)$ as $(a+7)-(a-10)=17$



                      So, $17^2|(a-10)(a+7),$ but $17^2not|51$



                      Generalization:



                      Let us find integer $x,y$ such that



                      $displaystyle x-y=-3$(the coefficient of $a$)



                      and $displaystyle x+y=17c$ so that either both or none $(a+x),(a-y)$ will be divisible by $17$



                      $implies 2x=17c-3implies c$ must be odd $=2d+1$(say) for some integer $d$



                      $implies x=17d+7$ and $y=x+3=17d+10$



                      Now, $displaystyle (a+x)(a+y)={a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}=a^2-3a-(17d+7)(17d+10)$



                      $displaystyleimplies a^2-3a-19={a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}+(17d+7)(17d+10)-19$



                      $displaystyleimplies a^2-3a-19=underbrace{{a+(17d+7)}{a-(17d+10)}}_{text{terms with difference }=17}+17^2(d^2+d)+51$



                      Now the logic is exactly same as the one above



                      In the above method $d=0$







                      share|cite|improve this answer














                      share|cite|improve this answer



                      share|cite|improve this answer








                      edited Nov 30 '13 at 15:19

























                      answered Nov 30 '13 at 11:10









                      lab bhattacharjeelab bhattacharjee

                      228k15158279




                      228k15158279












                      • $begingroup$
                        why have you taken x-y=3, x+y=17,how did you feel that it was necesary ?
                        $endgroup$
                        – user2369284
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:23










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, observe the coefficient of $3$ and we need modulo $17$ first. So that both or none of $a-x,a+y$ be divisible by $17$. See this(math.stackexchange.com/questions/9431/…)
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:27












                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, please have a look into the edited version
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 15:52




















                      • $begingroup$
                        why have you taken x-y=3, x+y=17,how did you feel that it was necesary ?
                        $endgroup$
                        – user2369284
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:23










                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, observe the coefficient of $3$ and we need modulo $17$ first. So that both or none of $a-x,a+y$ be divisible by $17$. See this(math.stackexchange.com/questions/9431/…)
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 11:27












                      • $begingroup$
                        @user2369284, please have a look into the edited version
                        $endgroup$
                        – lab bhattacharjee
                        Nov 30 '13 at 15:52


















                      $begingroup$
                      why have you taken x-y=3, x+y=17,how did you feel that it was necesary ?
                      $endgroup$
                      – user2369284
                      Nov 30 '13 at 11:23




                      $begingroup$
                      why have you taken x-y=3, x+y=17,how did you feel that it was necesary ?
                      $endgroup$
                      – user2369284
                      Nov 30 '13 at 11:23












                      $begingroup$
                      @user2369284, observe the coefficient of $3$ and we need modulo $17$ first. So that both or none of $a-x,a+y$ be divisible by $17$. See this(math.stackexchange.com/questions/9431/…)
                      $endgroup$
                      – lab bhattacharjee
                      Nov 30 '13 at 11:27






                      $begingroup$
                      @user2369284, observe the coefficient of $3$ and we need modulo $17$ first. So that both or none of $a-x,a+y$ be divisible by $17$. See this(math.stackexchange.com/questions/9431/…)
                      $endgroup$
                      – lab bhattacharjee
                      Nov 30 '13 at 11:27














                      $begingroup$
                      @user2369284, please have a look into the edited version
                      $endgroup$
                      – lab bhattacharjee
                      Nov 30 '13 at 15:52






                      $begingroup$
                      @user2369284, please have a look into the edited version
                      $endgroup$
                      – lab bhattacharjee
                      Nov 30 '13 at 15:52




















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